[1911WB]

I've owned a number of 1911's by several manufacturers, but only one "custom", a Baer full-size ss. It is a joy to shoot with grps. under 1 1/2" not uncommon at 25 yrds. with a number of different loads & bullet types. I can't really compare Brown or Wilson to it other than what I read in the forums. Does anyone have personal knowledge to compare the three? Also, what about customer service? I find Baer & Wilson to be good, but have heard Brown is not so good. I would be particularly interested in Tuner's opinion. I'm thinking about buying another custom, maybe a Cmdr. length, and don't want to make a mistake with such a costly item. :confused:

[Tamara]

From the ones I've seen and examined, Browns are noticeably better than the other two (materials, fit, and finish) while an average Baer seems to be slightly nicer than an equivalent Wilson, IMHO (mostly because Wilsons, in a strange coincidence, use a lot of Wilson parts, which I despise. ;) )

I wouldn't kick any of the three out of my gun safe, though. After my current project 1911 is done, and I finally build that dang AR I've been meaning to get around to, then I'll be rolling my pennies for a Baer TRS or Wilson CQB. Which I buy depends on which one I stumble across first. :)

[1911Tuner]

Howdy,

Though I've only seen a few of the examples that you've named...We don't get many "Production Semi-Customs" or full customs in this bend of th'
crick...I gotta go along with Tamara's call on the Browns.

The Baers are tight with a capital "T"...and often need several hundred rounds to loosen up enough to run like they should. Not ALL of'em...
but enough that you're likely to get one that needs a break-in period.
Easy fix, by the way, with a judicious application of "The Slurry"
and some elbow grease.

Bill Wilson hasn't built a gun in years...at least not one that's sold under his
banner. The ol' watchmaker has delegated the operation to others in his
employ, and kicked back. Can't say as I blame him, though. Early retirement/semi-retirement has its advantages.

Luck!

Tuner

[1911WB]

Thanks, folks, for the informative replies. Just curious, Tamara, what problems have u seem with specific Wilson parts? I'm particularly interested in their extractors, magazines, & replacement mag spring/follower kits. :confused:

[Sean Smith]

Main Entry: 2custom
Function: adjective
1 : made or performed according to personal order
2 : specializing in custom work or operation <a custom tailor>

Baers, Browns and Wilsons aren't really custom guns. You have almost no choice in what you get, since they are made in advance in fixed model lines, not made to order. All 3 have gotten out of the custom work business for the most part, Brown only recently with the elimination of the "Class A Limited" made to order guns. Of the 3, Browns are built by the Brown family, the rest are made by hired gunsmiths whose names ain't on the guns.

What they make are nice, expensive 1911-pattern guns.

But for some reason the marketing hype value of calling their guns "custom," when they have fewer "custom" options than a Ford Focus off the dealer lot, is irresistable. It's not like Ferrari stops being fast because it isn't a "custom car," or a Rolex doesn't keep time* because it isn't a "custom watch," but tell somebody their off-the-shelf gun ain't "custom" and you'd think you said something less than flattering about their mother.

But enough of that tangent. :p

From what I've seen of the 3, I'd say that the Ed Brown is the all-around nicest at the same price point. And personally, I like the fact that Ed Brown uses real Novak and Bo-Mar sights, instead of cheaper and/or uglier knock-offs of them. Just my opinion; I don't think any of the 3 brands has that many dogs.

*Insert joke about obsolete Swiss watch technology here. :D

[1911Tuner]

*Insert joke about obsolete Swiss watch technology here.

Heyyyy...I resemble that remark!:neener:

[Condition One]

I don't have a Brown, never even held one in my hand. They do look nice in the magazines. I do have a Wilson CQB 5" and a Les Baer PII with 6" long slide. Each gun was purchased with a different task in mind. The Wilson, a little IDPA in the future and self defense. The Baer was strictly a Bullseye gun from the get go.

The Wilson is a first rate piece. It's really slick. The slide to frame fit is as good or better than some custom guns I have tried. It did not require any break in, being 100% reliable from the box. I have had no parts failure in better than 5,000 rounds. It's as accurate as the 6" Baer in my hands. I only shoot as good as my 57 year old eyes can see so take this for what it's worth. Trigger has not been tuched by anybody and is a crisp 2.14 pounds on my electronic trigger gauge. I would buy another Wilson Combat gun in a heart beat.

The Bear is a thing of beauty. 6" slide and dark blue. It is tight still, after 3,500 rounds. It is one of the earily models with real Bowmar sights. Not the Baermars that they currently use. I don't recall any failures to feed or extract that was not due to one of my reloads that was out of spec. It's not as forgiving as the Wilson but nun the less a relilable and accurate piece. When the pistol was new it had a crisp 5 lb trigger. A really good gunsmith got it down to 3.5 lbs. Might be I should have sent it back to Les but the job was done while I had lunch. I can't complain. No part failures of any kind.

I guess I can't give an answer as to which is the better gun. Both are keepers. I think both are a quality product with slightly different methods to reach the same end. I think the Baer with it's longer barrel might out shoot the Wilson in someone elses hands. But this is apples to oranges. Purchas the one YOU LIKE and never look back. From what I have herd, both Mfg's will take care of the customer.


Shoot Safe.......CO

[Dave Sample]

Ed Brown, hands down. They are a bargain and are well built 1911's. I wouldn't have the other two as a gift.

[Kruzr]

I've got two Baers and a Brown. I've shot and handled a number of Wilsons. They are all very nice pistols but I also would vote Brown out of these three. Its a close call to me between the Wilsons and Baers but I'd opt for the Baer but thats my personal preference. There is a big difference in philosophy in building guns between Baer and the other two. Les makes tight, tight guns. My Brown and the Wilson's I've handled are not as tight but shoot about the same..........all shoot very well.

The overall finish on the Brown is better than the other two. I've only had to deal with customer service on one of the Baers and it was so-so. The only way to insure you get good service on a Baer is to talk to Les directly since he doesn't have a consistent customer service policy with regard to turnaround time or shipping costs (both ways).

The words Custom Guns have seemingly evolved from the real definition Sean pointed out to a gun that has a lot of hand fitting work done on it as opposed to the mass production guns.

[1911Tuner]

Quote:

I wouldn't have the other two as a gift.
_______________________________


I would! Send me ALL those Wilsons and Baers!

:p

[BluesBear]

Back when I lived in Kentucky there were a lot of people who were members of the Order of Kentucky Colonels. Now this is an honorary title bestowed upon citizens by the Kentucky Governor. It seems like a lot of these people like referring to themselves as Colonel This or Colonel That. :scrutiny:

Anyway this Brown, Wilson, Baer competition reminds me of something I read once. Now I don't know if this blowhard was a real Colonel or an honoraty Colonel or just a Kernal of Corn but as I recall it went something like this;

Well pardner, let me just say that all them other custom guns is junk and I wouldn't have 'em for a Christmas present. I don't work on junk and I don't shoot junk. I don't even want to touch junk because it's junk. When I build a gun I build it right and it don't even need to be test fired because like I said, I build'em right and never had one come back in over 20 years.

Back when I built the Midnight Special, it was the finest in the world and me and my young nephew was bustin' chicken eggs clean across the valley over yonder. Why, it musta been three, four hunnert yards and we just dang near couldn't miss. I think I musta hit about 8 or 10 of them eggs in a row the first time I shot the gun...Didn't even sight it in. Like I said, when I build one I build it right and that includes the sights and I never made a dime on any gun I ever built cause that's just what it's like to be me.

I know things about the 1911 that nobody has ever been able to figure out in dang near a hunnert years and I'll take my secrets to the grave with me cause I'm the Colonel and everybody else is nobody just pertendin' ta be somebody and that includes all them fancy-pants Pistolsmith Guild sissies too.

But I tell ya what pardner. You send me that gun, and if I like ya, and I get time, I'll tune it up and won't charge ya more than a couple hunnert dollars and I guaran-dang-tee that it'll never miss a lick and it'll go a hunnert thousand rounds and probably won't even need cleanin', cause, like I said, I build'em right and they run 'cause they ain't got a choice in the matter. I can smell a 1911 and tell ya what's wrong with in five seconds, cause that's just what it's like ta be me.

Now, if I don't like ya, I'll send it back in 6 or 8 months with the name of the next best man for the job, but it won't be a Colonel tuned pistol 'cause they can't do it as good as I do it, 'cause I am the Colonel and they are nobody even though they bribed their way into the Pistolsmith's Guild and just don't know how to build a pistol the Colonel's way.

:rolleyes:
Sounded like a case of firing pin envy to me.
:neener:

[Tamara]

I wouldn't have the other two as a gift.


:rolleyes:

Sometimes you can hear all you need to know about a man in nine short words. ;)

[Rich357]

Les Baers are tight when the come from the factory but the ones I've had experience with perform very well from day one. No FTFs. No FTEs. Even with fixed sights, the point of impact was exactly right, IMHO, for a combat pistol. I was told to shoot 500 round through my Les Baer (with some cleaning and oiling) before I field strip the pistol. This was an excellent suggestion.

I'm very happy with Les Baer pistols. I've just order my second Les Baer.

I am looking forward to trying an Ed Brown when they are approved for sale in CA.

Rich

[1911Tuner]

BluesBear said:

"Sounded like a case of firing pin envy to me."

ROFLMAO... Ya don't mean..."Pinus Envy"!!! ROFL:D Surely not!

BluesBear! Behave yo' bad self!

Spewin' coffee all over my monitor...

Tuner

[HankB]

I have a Baer and am really happy with it - it's both tighter and more accurate than my Colt National Match, yet displays none of the "finicky" nature of that pistol when it comes to ammo. Flawless reliability, and more accuracy than I can fully utilize.

I've tried Wilsons, and they're generally quite good, too . . . but they seem to have a lot of sharp edges. (I've heard current production has addressed this.) No problem when shooting a box or two of ammo, but a lot of guys with Wilsons are sporting band-aids on their hands by the second day of a shooting class.

Ed Brown pistols are very nice. But when I've compared them side-by-side to a Baer or Wilson, well, I really can't see what the extra $500 is for.

[riverdog]

Being in CA, Ed Brown's 1911's are not an option, so when I stumbled across a used Wilson 1996A2, I bought it. When I found a new Baer TRs I bought that also. I ordered a Wilson CQB and it took so long I cancelled the order. About a year later the same shop had three CQB's so I bought one off the shelf. I really don't know which one do I like best. The TRS is noticably tighter than either of the Wilsons, but none of these pistols have reliability issues and all are more accurate than me. All have great triggers.

[BigG]

Tuner, I think of you more along the lines of Timex: you know, "Takes a lickin and keeps on toonin!" :cool:

[George Hill]

There are some other good custom 1911 guns out there. You should see what Terry Tussy can do.
Makes a Wilson look like a stock Springfield.

[Berg01]

RRA National Match Hardball (http://www.rockriverarms.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=PS2000&storeid=1&image=pnmh.gif)

I can appreciate all the ones you mention, but I've seen this one up close, and I've had a chance to shoot one, and it is worth every bit of the $1,380.00 it costs, and it is worth the long delivery time.

[BigG]

$1,380??? I thought we were talking custom >>$3,000+++ pistoles.

[Berg01]

$1,380??? I thought we were talking custom >>$3,000+++ pistoles.

I think the term is "limited production", not necessarily "custom"; If I had the $3K to go custom, I'd call George Smith at Evolution Gunworks, and order a firearm that would be quantum-leap better than any of the other guns we are talking about. I live near EGW's "old" facility, I've met these guys, and they are currently working on the second gun that I've sent to them at their "new" facility.

[Kestrel]

The Ed Brown guns are finished nicer. The Wilsons are very good guns, just not finished quite as nicely as the Browns. Both are fabulous guns, though.

I've read a lot of favorable opinions on the Baers, but I don't have any experience with them. I don't like the asthetics, nor the sights they use, however.

Both Brown and Wilson are excellent ~$2,000 guns.

I'm curious as to what Tamara doesn't like about Wilson parts?

Steve

[cerberus]

It seems I am just as well off with my Kimbers then spending the extra thousands of dollars on the Brown Baers or Wilsons. This from what everyone has posted.

[Kruzr]

It seems I am just as well off with my Kimbers then spending the extra thousands of dollars on the Brown Baers or Wilsons. This from what everyone has posted.

I'm a big Kimber fan, I believe they make the best mass produced 1911 you can buy but the analogy here would be like comparing a Chevy Impala to a Mercedes 500 class. Both will get you where you want to go and if thats what you are interested in, get the Chevy. But, when you shoot a Baer, a Brown or a Wilson, you see and feel the difference and understand the higher cost.

[Sean Smith]

It seems I am just as well off with my Kimbers then spending the extra thousands of dollars on the Brown Baers or Wilsons. This from what everyone has posted.

That's a bizarre conclusion to draw from what was posted here. :scrutiny:

[Dave Sample]

I Love that "Colonel Story!" Gee...................................I wish I had said that. There is a man after my own heart. I won't respond to that drivel because it would be a big waste of time. I will just be ROTF: LMAO.

[Tamara]

I won't respond to that drivel because it would be a big waste of time.

And why is that? :confused:

[Tango Sierra]

I've rented a Baer PII five times and put 800-900 rounds thru it. It's a pleasure to shoot but is finicky about returning to battery. It is very tight and feels like an industrial grade tool.

I've handled a few Wilsons and the slides and triggers are silky smooth but has some sharp edges. The Wilson feels like it's an upgraded Kimber to me.

I recently handled a Brown Kobra Carry and the finish of this gun was absolutely perfect and put the other two brands to shame. Very smooth slide and trigger. If I had 2-2.5 thousand to spend I'd buy the Brown.

The dealer/range I go to is also getting some Rock Rivers in the near future and I'm anxious to see them.

[BluesBear]

I'll have you know that wasn't drivel.

That was tripe! :neener:

[Kruzr]

You left off the part about the Kentucky Colonel moving to Texas......................

:uhoh: ;)

[1911Tuner]

Kruzr said:

You left off the part about the Kentucky Colonel moving to Texas

OMG! I an't touchin' that one! Yer on yer own, bro! ROFLMAO

Touche':D

Tuner

[Sean Smith]

And why is that?

Spoken like somebody unfamiliar with Captain Eagle and his ego. :D

[El Tejon]

Have owned all 3. I currently own several models of government-sized Les Baers which I prefer. (I confess, I just don't get the commander-sized guns).

I carry the Les Baer TRS. It has yet to let me down even with that silly overtravel screw (which I remove promptly).

[Greg45]

Sean,

You mean Colonel Eagle don't you? :D

[BluesBear]

I thought The Captain's Eagle was an overpriced Jewelry Shop in Texas?

[1911Tuner]

Jewelry? BluesBear...That's Too Much Sugar for a Dime... :cool:

Aight! Back on topic...I can't stand no more. If I laugh any harder, the
tears are gonna short out my keyboard!:D

Cheers, ya'll...

Lance Corporal Tuner

[Tamara]

It has yet to let me down even with that silly overtravel screw (which I remove promptly).

A dab of some type of fixative on it will allow you to enjoy all the benefits and suffer none of the drawbacks of that silly screw. ;)

[Siggyboy]

If you are willing to spend two grand, I'd get a Brown. If you don't want to spend that much, then a used Wilson or Baer or order a Rock River. I like the Kobra's the best.

I've read about looong waits if something goes back to Les Baer's shop. Plus, he ships his pistols in a little cardboard box! :rolleyes:

[Dave Sample]

Now you have made me feel really bad because it is obvious to me now that I can no longer tell drivel from tripe. Now, about this nice $25.00 Genuine Rolex here in the showcase at the C.E Jewelry Store......................................................................................................

[BluesBear]

A Rolex is like a 1911. Neither is worth much if it's been tinkered with so much that it no longer works.

There is a motto used by a majot appliance manufacturer...
"The quality goes in before the name goes on."
It's a shame that more companies don't adopt that as their creedo.
I see people buying junk just because it has a brand name they recognize.
Would you buy a Black& Decker pistol? How about a Maytag holster? Would you even consider Izod ammunition? (OK the .45 GAP doesn't count)

As to what big name pistol to buy... Forget the name, just get what suits your needs the best.
As for me $2500 for a pstol? ROFL. I'd rather pay $800 for a pistol $200 for a couple of good holsters and spend the remaining $1500 for ammo, targets and maintainance stuff to make sure I can trust my life to it.
Y'all do what you think is best.


I get so sick of seeing these 40-something professional dudes who walk in carrying their brand new overpriced Gibson 335 or Stevie Strat and they can't play a basic 12 bar blues. Overpriced, top-of-the-line, professional equipment won't make up for a lack of talent.

[Tamara]

I'd rather pay $800 for a pistol...

Hard to get a new $800 gun these days that ain't full of plastic and castings and MIM and extraneous safety widgets and keyholes and... ;)


I like my old Colt (and my new Colts), but even a complete n00b like myself can tell where the extra money went in my Springer Pro. Is there a law of diminishing returns? Sure, you pay a lot extra for that last little bit o' rightness. Still, though, I can't think of anything south of the $1k mark in the world of 1911's these days that wouldn't have me reaching for my Brownell's catalog and chatting up my 'smith to make those couple of little changes... Besides, there's some pleasure in owning something that shows that the people who built it sweated the details.

Overpriced, top-of-the-line, professional equipment won't make up for a lack of talent.

...at the same time, one must be careful not to fall for the trap of reverse snobbery. The guy in the 911 Carrera in the next lane over may not consider it overpriced at all, since it drives like the SCCA club racer he trailers around on the weekends. ;)

[BluesBear]

Hmmm, I don't recall mentioning anything about buying a new gun.

I also didn't mentin automobiles. However, if I had, my reasoning would be more along the lines of buying a 15½ year old kid, who has never put a foot on a pedal, a Ferrari for his very first car.

[Tamara]

Hmmm, I don't recall mentioning anything about buying a new gun.

Shocking as it may be, some folks like buying 'em new. ;)

[sm]

.

[1911Tuner]

800 bucks....hmmm...I got it!

Cherry-Pick until ya find a couple of good NRM Colts for $550-$600 out the door...Replace the sear and disconnect.(about 50 bucks each) If they've
got the MickeyMouse extractors, replace those (another 60 clams) If
you've just gotta have a steel MSH and grip safety, hit the shows and look for USGI parts, or get lucky on e-bay. 25-40 dollars for both, per gun.
mag catch....20 bucks for a pair of USGI parts, plus the cost of new springs.

We're up to somewherer between 12 and 13 hundred dollars for the pair,
countin' upgrading the internals...Not bad. Not bad at all. I consider
those the Sport-Utes. Nice, serviceable, and ya wouldn't be ashamed to
drive one to your uncle's wedding or funeral.

The Sistemas, Norincos, worn out/rebuildable warhorses...Those are
the pickup trucks. No frills, all bizness. Ya wouldn't wanna wreck it,
but ya don't mind draggin' it through the mud. Reliable and ugly as a mud fence, these are the ones you're most likely to have on your hip on a
white water raftin' or campin' trip. If they get dropped in a mudhole or fish pond, rinse'em out with water,, detail strip'em on the spot, clean'em, and you're golden.

The upper-end guns are the Ferrarris...Profilin'! These are the ones that we all wish we had. Well...most of us, anyway...but can live without. The
lack of bling-bling on the beaters doesn't stop'em from doin' what they're
designed for. Not a thing wrong with a high-end semi or a full custom...
if that's what ya wanna put your money into. I've owned Corvettes. Nice!
I traded my last one for a Ford pickup truck, and haven't missed it one bit.
I'll never own another one. I'll always own a pickup truck, as long as I have a say in the matter.

One man's trash is another man's treasure...so they say.:cool:

Cheers!

Tuner

[Tamara]

I also didn't mentin automobiles.

No, true, you mentioned guitars. Suppose the guy with the bucks-up guitar really can play it well? Is his equipment overpriced then? Or maybe he's a nice guy and wants to learn how to play, and just has the dough to drop on high-end gear.

It's kind of a hot-button issue with me. I had a friend I worked with a couple gun shops ago. He was a good guy, and a good ol' boy, and every time some guy in a tie would pull up in German steel and ask to look at the bucks-up 1911's or SIGs or what-have-you, he just couldn't resist making the comments about "yuppie puppies", as he called them, after the guy left.

One day a guy pulled in in a Beemer, and even before he came in the store, my friend was like "Oh, no! It's another one o' them damned yuppie puppies."
"How can you tell?", I replied.
"Look how he's dressed, and that car he's driving..."
"I'm wearing business casual, too, and I drive a Porsche. Am I a yuppie puppy?"
"Naw," he said, "You're different. You shoot good and you ain't stuck up."
"Well," said I, "I know this cat, and he's not only a pretty hardcore IPSC shooter, but he's also one of the nicest guys you'd care to meet. He just happens to have money, and likes to spend it on cool toys."
"Okay... yeah... but..."


Anyway, that's what I was driving at... :)

[Sean Smith]

I get so sick of seeing these 40-something professional dudes who walk in carrying their brand new overpriced Gibson 335 or Stevie Strat and they can't play a basic 12 bar blues. Overpriced, top-of-the-line, professional equipment won't make up for a lack of talent.

And only an amateur uses crap tools. What's your point?

Hmmm, I don't recall mentioning anything about buying a new gun.

No, you are rather transparently drawing a parallel between yuppie guitar posers and people who own guns that cost more than yours. :rolleyes:

A good friend of mine owns several guns that probably cost more than every gun you have ever seen firsthand put together. He just won a couple shooting matches in Switzerland in-between business trips... with a borrowed gun. He also drives a Ferrari and is in is forties. Aside from not playing the guitar, he sounds like your idea of a total yuppie scum poser. :rolleyes:

[1911Tuner]

:scrutiny:

Well, this one went south rather abruptly...

Aight! Let's ever'body take 5 and have a cuppa Joe. Ya'll
git ta fightin' and scrappin' and I'll throw ya in the hoosegow or mahhh
name ain't Yosemite Tunerfish! The rootin'est tootin'est hombre
west of the Pecos and north of the Rio Grandie...

:p

[andrew17]

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ROFL @ Tuner

[1911Tuner]

Yuh mangy varmint! Yuh won't be a-laffin when I hauls ya up in front
of Judge Roy Tunerbean....


:p

[boogalou]

I bet the Glockophiles just love reading posts like this........

"Look at those 1911 jokers arguing with each other about the price of their toys! What a bunch of snobs!"

All said in the spirit of jocularity of course! :D

[Sean Smith]

I bet the Glockophiles just love reading posts like this........

They are all newbies who can't shoot, and so can be safely ignored. Glocks are autoloader training wheels. :evil:

[Dave Sample]

Hey! Leave this person alone, Gang! He writes great Colonel Stories! I love his posts and he proves my points better than I can! Please don't pick on this poor man as he has a good point. I have said many times to watch out for the guy shooting an old GI 1911 that spent $1000.00 on primers last year. He will Kick Your Butt! I want him to finish the Colonel Story someday an include all of this things this Dude has done in his life! Pay attention BB, so you don't miss anything! We want you to tell it like it is! ( I use the Imperial WE just like my other Colonel pal at Gunsite!)

[Ky Larry]

I can't afford a Wilson, Brown, Baer,Tussey,etc. Guess I'll have to stick to my Kimber, SIG, CZ,etc. They might not cost as much but they are all shooters and excede my ability to shoot them. Shoot well and often.

[Tamara]

Don't get me wrong, Dave; I wasn't endorsing the use of ill-fitting, badly finished Chip McCormick pickups on Fender Stratocasters or Gibson Les Pauls to make them look "kustom" or anything. :scrutiny:

;)

[El Tejon]

As with the young and nubile, 'tis better to take off than put on!:cool: :D

[Tamara]

As with the young and nubile, 'tis better to take off than put on!

Well, if it makes you feel more tactical. ;)

They're fine when people treat 'em as "overtravel stops" and leave them fixed in place; it's when people treat them as "adjustable overtravel screws" and break them loose to fiddle with them that trouble occurs... :uhoh:

[El Tejon]

No "fiddling" required for me. However, I can break an anvil with a feather! (Of course, I run on my hands).:D

Buy gun, beat with 23 oz. framing hammer until stuff falls off. Throw stuff over berm and then shoot gun.:D

BTW, I'm wearing a tie and a starched white shirt. How tactical can I be?:p

[Dave Sample]

I got lost along the way which is easy for me to do now. Overtravel Stops? I like them after I lock-tite them in with Red. I also like the prep or take up tabs on the CMC Triggers. It does take a few little tweaks to get them in right, but the results are worth it. We used to have to cut our own tabs in the trigger stirrup with a Dremel and hope the flap didn't break when adjusting it. Chip's is mucho better.

[Tamara]

I also like the prep or take up tabs on the CMC Triggers.

Unfortunately, every frame I've tried a CMC trigger in recently (Colt, Kimber, and Springfield) gave such a good "drop-in" type fit that you could've dropped the trigger in from across the room. :(

I really wish we'd had better results, because the easily adjustable takeup idea is sweet. Stickin' to STI's for now, but I'm sure something better is lurking out there...