My univ. student govt refuses to support our troops. My letter to them


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Drjones
April 24, 2004, 11:54 PM
Recently, the leader of my campus Republicans organization submitted a resolution to the student government of my school.

The resolution would have done two things:

1) Shown support for our troops, wherever they may be stationed

2) Helped sponsor a pro-troop rally on campus

Disgustingly enough, it was defeated by a WIDE majority, 8-3, IIRC.

Here is my letter to the student government organization, my city's newspaper, my school newspaper, the campus Republicans, and a few other people:


April 24, 2004


To each member of the Board of Associated Students, Inc. at CSUS, the Editor of the State Hornet, the Editor of the Sacramento Bee, and to the CSUS Republicans;

This letter is in regards to ASI at CSUS voting down by a large majority a resolution that would have showed support for the Soldiers of the United States of America and sponsored a rally in support of our Soldiers.

My name is Drjones and I am a student at CSUS and proud to be an American citizen.

I want to take a moment to remind you of something that far too many people have very clearly forgotten.

America was founded by soldiers fighting for what they believed in. America has been kept safe and free, enabling her to grow strong, powerful, rich and wonderful, because soldiers constantly stand ready to fight and die for her.

America is not kept free by the peace protestor who burns the flag that the soldier fights and dies for, nor is she kept free, made wonderful and rich by the journalist who uses the freedom of speech protected for him by the soldier to slander the leader of the soldiers, and even to slander the soldiers themselves.

George Orwell said it best when he said, "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

American soldiers deserve all of the honor, praise and thanks that we can give them. They choose to leave their families, friends, and the safety and comfort of home to go and fight and possibly die in order to maintain a society so free that some of its citizens can defame and defile the very men who have risked and given their lives fighting for it.

Each and every one of you on the Board of Associated Students, Incorporated for CSUS who voted against the resolution to Support Our Troops should be very completely embarrassed and utterly ashamed of yourself. You should cringe when you look in the mirror.

I hope that when you go to sleep, tonight and every night for the rest of your life, that you are reminded, even if for a second, that you are able to sleep peacefully and safely because an American Soldier once fought and died for you, because someday an American Soldier will fight and die for you, and because right now, as you are reading this letter, and as you fold back your soft, clean sheets, an American Soldier is sleeping in the mud, tired, hungry, cold, and dreaming of home, ready to give their life so that you can sleep like a baby in your warm, soft bed.


Regards,
Drjones

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buy guns
April 25, 2004, 12:08 AM
if we had a clapping smiley i would use it right now

CarlS
April 25, 2004, 08:30 AM
Very well stated.

greyhound
April 25, 2004, 08:36 AM
I graduated college 12 years ago, but even then there was a romance with the 60's and the whole "protest movement".

I guess its still the same.

Though I have heard that even though the professors are more leftist than ever, the students were turning conservative.

Apparently not at this college, for Pete's sake "we support the troops but not the war" is the main rallying cry for the mainstream-not-insane-leftist liberals!

Leatherness
April 25, 2004, 08:59 AM
Nice letter, D.R. If it gets even one spoiled idiot to actually think about the real world, you'll have furthered that person'e real education. Thanks.

TC
TFL Survivor

StuporDave
April 25, 2004, 09:36 AM
Good job!

Double Naught Spy
April 25, 2004, 10:23 AM
Okay, nice letter minus a couple grammar issues and some historical inaccuracies, but I have the distinct impression some critical information is missing. As with the push to boycott Target stores because they would not make a donation to a traveling Vietnam memorial, I get the impression that something is missing from the information.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/target.asp
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17845&highlight=target+vietnam+boycott
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53173&highlight=target+vietnam+boycott
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56397&highlight=target+vietnam+boycott

So the student government does not want to participate in and organize pro troop activities. Drjones letter gives the impression that it must be because the students are unaware of the roles play by American soldiers in the creation and maintenance of our country and gave the impression that maybe the student government was not composed of proud Americans like him.

So what were the reasons for not voting to to be actively and overtly pro-US troops? Is it because the student government does not participate in such activities that go beyond the scope of campus? Is there not enough money for such an endeavor? Is the student government committed to other activities and so not have the time or resources to add additional major events such as throwing a pro troop rally?

The George Orwell quote is folklore, unless you can provide the actual source to substantiate it. It appears all of the internet, only nobody seems to have a single citation of any sort to justify that Orwell ever said or wrote the statement. http://quote.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_misquotations

While it was argued that America is not kept free by flag burning protestors, journalists, etc., there is an ironic sort of false dichotomy set up. America also isn't kept free by other similar movements such as pro-troops rallies, nor a whole host of other activities.

It is also argued that America was founded by soldiers who believed in what they were doing. The romantic view of history holds this to be true and that they were fighting to create a new nation. Many held such beliefs, but America was also founded via fighters who were endentured servants, mercenaries, and the like. Additionally, while many earlier American soldiers believed in their causes, they carried out their activities, often via orders of the government, in manners that were horrible, such as Captain Ecuyer in the 1760s who distributed smallpox infected blankets and a hankerchief to Native Americans.

Hey, being pro US troops is absolutely great, but if you are going to press the argument for why people should be pro US troops, don't do it based on poor logic, folklore, and overly romantic views of American history. Especially in this day and age of sound bytes, convincing folks to support our soldiers today based on what soldiers did 200+ years ago is going to end up with a lost audience. We need to be supporting our troops for what they are doing for us right now.

DMK
April 25, 2004, 11:18 AM
One of the things that some people get confused about is the fact that you can be supportive of our fellow citizen brothers/sisters who happen to be in uniform and fighting in battle and at the same time be against war as we have seen it irresponsibly enacted lately.

The guy over there fighting for his life and those of his comrads did not start the war, he's just following his orders. Most likely he joined the military in the first place to be a part of defending our country from those who would like to see it's demise. He deserves our support and eternal gratitude.

I myself have no problem with anybody who protests war. Going to war is a very grave action that even in a best case scenario will destroy many thousands of innocent lives. It should indeed be debated openly and seriously. A country that rallies 100% behind any war is very frightening indeed.

However, if one feels this war is wrong, then they should not blame our military forces. They should look seriously at what we need to do as individuals to take a larger part in regaining control of our government. Our fearfull leaders are the ones that got us involved in this mess and it started a long time before Bush, Clinton or 9/11.

JackC
April 25, 2004, 12:49 PM
Please post any replys you get from the student govt.
Jack

CarlS
April 25, 2004, 01:05 PM
One of the things that some people get confused about is the fact that you can be supportive of our fellow citizen brothers/sisters who happen to be in uniform and fighting in battle and at the same time be against war as we have seen it irresponsibly enacted lately.

Well, I'm one of those who is confused on this issue. If one is protesting the war publicly, this gives aid and comfort to the enemy and increases their will to resist, which in turn costs more American lives as well as lives of the enemy. This could hardly be called supporting those in uniform; it is, in reality, putting them more at risk.

I am prejudiced on this issue due to having been on the receiving end of such actions. I do agree that one can support the military and be against a particular war – as long as that does not lead to actions that increase the risk to those in harms way.

Just my opinion based on where my moccasins (boots) have walked.

idd
April 25, 2004, 01:09 PM
They choose to leave their families, friends, and the safety and comfort of home to go and fight and possibly die in order to maintain a society so free that some of its citizens can defame and defile the very men who have risked and given their lives fighting for it.

The war in Iraq is not being fought to protect the United States as a free society.

DMK
April 25, 2004, 02:08 PM
Well, I'm one of those who is confused on this issue. If one is protesting the war publicly, this gives aid and comfort to the enemy and increases their will to resist, which in turn costs more American lives as well as lives of the enemy. This could hardly be called supporting those in uniform; it is, in reality, putting them more at risk. I can see your point of view. Perhaps the lack of public support towards a war will cause political leaders to send less supplies and troops than they should. IMO, this is precisely the problem with the so called "limited conflicts" that we keep getting involved in.

When a country decides to go to war it has a moral and ethical obligation to strike with as much of it's might as it can muster in order to avoid extending the suffering for all involved. It should also have a plan for victory. IMO, we have done neither in this war, nor in any of the previous conflicts that we've been involved in dating back to the end of WWII (with the exceptions of Panama, Grenada and we almost got it right in Korea and Gulf War I but had no plan for what to call victory). We start out by sending "quck reaction forces" so as not to upset too many Americans then end up getting bogged down and either having to commit large numbers of resouces anyway or pulling out entirely wasting the lives of our brave, young soldiers who died.

If the public supports such irresponsible use of our military power, it sends a message to the political leaders that we are OK with limited wars as long as we keep the expense and number of troops low. This is exactly the opposite of what we need to be doing. We should either immeditely commit a very large number of resources to the task or not get involved at all. If something is worth doing then it's worth doing it right.

In short, it's not public debate that is risking our soldiers lives, but our leaders who get us involved in long term conflict by commiting a smaller number resources than is necessary because they know commiting large numbers of recources would raise opposition. ie. They are going to war despite the fact that the American people don't want to.

BTW CarlS, thank you for your service. It is because of brave people like you that we can still debate such issues, and in english!

Braz
April 25, 2004, 02:23 PM
Of course it is.

Saddam was stockpiling over a billion dollars a month dispute sanctions. He wished to hurt us, and that amount of cash can finance WMD attacks here in the US. This is a war against fundamentalist clerics who despise our way of life. It is also a war against those who would finance them in order to gain leverage against the US.

J. Garand
April 25, 2004, 03:14 PM
You are either for us or against us.
The american soliders on the ground in Southwest Asia don't care about how smart and cerebral you can be. They are fighting and dieing. You are not.
Do not presume to speak of the reasons or historical context of this war. Those soliders are in contact with America's enemys. this is not a good time to show self or national doubt.(this is seen as weakness).
The troops are in it. I am in it. all the way till they are back.
So the more "intelligent" your posts become, the more skeptical i will be as to the real motive for them being negitive.

P.S. Good letter DR. J

Moparmike
April 25, 2004, 05:15 PM
I will preface this with "I didnt read all the posts." But I did read the letter.


While I have no problem with your letter on the whole, I have a problem with all university ASG's deciding that they should influence national politics and foriegn policy. They act like they speak for the whole campus in these sorts of things. Well, they dont.

ASG's should stick to campus events, and leave influencing the national govt to the citizens. They should be neutral on events not directly affecting the universities.

J. Garand
April 25, 2004, 10:03 PM
Mopar-I think you nailed it. These professors think they speak for everyone, they are "Brilliant".
America is at war.
The letter probadly wont get much play, or will be used to prove how "Mean" he is for supporting america.

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