Guns for sale on Internet (in Taiwan)


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twoblink
April 29, 2004, 08:11 PM
Here in Taiwan, it's illegal to own guns, pretty much unilaterally.

Well, the only thing you can buy is an airsoft. Now the airsofts are do to exact specifications; and for the more expensive ones, that includes being made out of high grade metal.

So the receivers, slides, triggers, hammers etc.. are all using real parts.

Only thing left is the recoil spring, a few pings and other springs. The barrel itself is real already with a small insert.

So cleaver Entrepreneur has put "the other parts you need to make your airsoft into a 9mm" on ebay here in Taiwan.

While they have caught some, they now no longer can catch them. For example, I put on ebay "Small Frig for sale, Black, excellent condition" and while most think it's a Frig, it's actually code words for gun parts.

The police heading this up, said basically, with the ease of connecting to one another, and with things like MSN, AIM, Yahoo messenger etc.. there's pretty much absolutely no way for them to regular the underground gun making now.

The sensible group, which is the knife owners of Taiwan, who've in the last 2 years have gotten legislation passed so now I can pretty much carry any sized knife fully concealed in Taiwan.

When that was passed, of course, there were screams of "there will be blood just flowing on the streets!" and from what it looks like, crime went down due to the better knife laws.

So while I doubt there will be a full legalization of guns anytime soon, I don't see how they can defeat the internet sales problems without doing so..

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Standing Wolf
April 29, 2004, 09:03 PM
This is one of those moments when I'm so glad Liar Gore invented the internet!

Skibane
April 29, 2004, 11:43 PM
Reminds me of the Russian "Junkers" air rifles that could be converted into functional semi-auto Kalishnikovs. Sadly, the BATFE put an end to that...


twoblink, could I impose upon you to discuss the gun laws in Taiwan in greater detail? I'm putting together a scrapbook of gun laws around the world, and Taiwan's on my 'Must Have!' list.

To help jog your memory, here's an outline of current gun regulations in Japan, which at first glance sound somewhat similar to your situation in Taiwan:

In Japan, the firearms subject to regulation include:

•Air Rifles – requires police lecture, certificate, letter of recommendation.

•"Hand Rifles" (essentially air pistols with a rifle stock and long barrel sleeve permanently attached to discourage concealment) – same requirements as air rifle.

•Air Pistols (limited to 500 people in the entire nation, for sports shooting only).

•Pistols (limited to 50 people in the entire nation, for sport shooting only).

•Shot guns — Requires shooting course, background check on your family, lots of police paperwork to obtain permission to purchase the gun, gun must be presented to the police for "stamping".

•.22 Caliber Rimfire Rifles – only allowed for target shooting, require long-term memberships in several gun clubs, lectures, certification of shooting skill, etc.

• Centerfire Rifles – Only bolt-actions are allowed , and only for target shooting and hunting – require ownership of a rimfire rifle first, 2 years participation in .22 shooting events (10 years for hunting purposes), mostly the same paperwork, background checks as for .22 caliber.

Buying ammo requires written permission from the police, limited to 800 rounds stored at home, 4,000 total.

I thank you in advance for your thoughts and insights!

4v50 Gary
April 29, 2004, 11:48 PM
Hey Twoblink. Can you pick up some of those airsoft airguns for me?;) I think I can find the parts I need to convert them over there. :p

Justin
April 30, 2004, 03:03 AM
Hey, Skibane- Just out of curiosity, do you have info on the gun laws of either the Czech Republic or Costa Rica?

Thanks

c_yeager
April 30, 2004, 03:40 AM
The method of "fixing" this "problem" will simply be the outright banning of all airsoft "weapons" in Taiwan.

MAKOwner
April 30, 2004, 03:54 AM
Unless they have quite different airsoft guns available in Taiwan than the stuff we get from HK and Japan and elsewhere this is nothing but hype (actually I think my gas pistol was made by a Taiwanese company...). Airsoft guns lack any of the proper moving parts, are not made out of high enough quality metal, the metal is nothing but a thin shell on them anyway, and their "outer barrel" is in no way shape or form a real barrel. You could build a real gun easier than trying to convert one I would think. They share no parts with real guns, a handgrip or scope rail for the real one might fit but there is ZERO chance of putting a bolt carrier, fire control group, etc into an airsoft gun easily. One of the gas blow back pistols is about the closest to a real gun function wise, and it would be hard. The electric rifles and such would be virtually impossible...

They look good, and look realistic but this is just nonsense.

About the only thing I could see is maybe converting them into crude single shot weapons. And I damn well wouldn't want to fire it...

twoblink
April 30, 2004, 04:58 AM
The method of "fixing" this "problem" will simply be the outright banning of all airsoft "weapons" in Taiwan.

And what about the 6 million or so in circulation in Taiwan already?

atek3
April 30, 2004, 09:31 PM
impose the death penalty for anyone caught in possession after the "turn em in" date.
I feel bad for the taiwanese.


atek3

c_yeager
April 30, 2004, 09:48 PM
If its so easy to get away with selling these parts via the internet why cant they just sell GUNS on the internet as well? It's illegal either way right?

Also, can someone show me one of the airsoft guns that can so easily be converted to a real firearm cause all the ones ive seen around here wouldnt be fit for the tast.

twoblink
April 30, 2004, 11:37 PM
Unless they have quite different airsoft guns available in Taiwan than the stuff we get from HK and Japan and elsewhere this is nothing but hype (actually I think my gas pistol was made by a Taiwanese company...). Airsoft guns lack any of the proper moving parts, are not made out of high enough quality metal, the metal is nothing but a thin shell on them anyway, and their "outer barrel" is in no way shape or form a real barrel. You could build a real gun easier than trying to convert one I would think. They share no parts with real guns, a handgrip or scope rail for the real one might fit but there is ZERO chance of putting a bolt carrier, fire control group, etc into an airsoft gun easily. One of the gas blow back pistols is about the closest to a real gun function wise, and it would be hard. The electric rifles and such would be virtually impossible...

There are two catagories of airsofts here:

#1) The $29.95USD ones. Plastic, everything plastic. Don't bother.. I have 1 at home, it's broken now, (I shot it to death)..

#2) The $599.99USD ones... And trust me, I've taken quite a few guns apart in my life, and they are as real as it gets. The only thing I have noticed they aren't able to do (or at least they don't do) is that the barrel has no rifling.


If its so easy to get away with selling these parts via the internet why cant they just sell GUNS on the internet as well? It's illegal either way right?

To actually have the facilities to mill out a gun is difficult. That's why the "nice" airsofts cost more than real guns. From a business point of view, I'd rather sell conversion parts as well.

For example: A "nice" airsoft, about $600 USD. Conversion parts, about $400. So for about $1000, you can have a "real" gun in taiwan. But how much did conversion parts cost me to make? Probably like $20.... Much more profitable. And what are you going to do, arrest me for selling springs online?? (Actually, that's what they have begun to do)

impose the death penalty for anyone caught in possession after the "turn em in" date. I feel bad for the taiwanese.

You psychic or know your history? That's what the recent talk is about.. They've banned bb's, but it hasn't done squat. How the heck do you ban ball bearings?? You can't, and so a lot of people with gas powered airsofts buy ball bearings at the hardware store and shoot that.. Quite a few people have died from it.

Mofia + airsoft + bb + shot in the ear = dead.. Mostly gamblers with high gambling debts get killed this way as a marker..

I figure I've got about a year left here, and then I'm moving back home to the land of the free...

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