Walther WA2000 Were any ever made?

[Zedicus]

About The only info I can find about this Rifle is that it was a Prototype Bullpup Design & various Functional & Design Data, But as for if it was ever made I keep finding NOTHING...

Anyone know if Walther ever put the WA2000 into production, or even if it can be Imported into the US?

It's about the only Bullpup configuration Rifle that i've realy liked.

If they did make them & you can get them in the US, How much do they go for?

[garrettwc]

Yes.

http://www.carlwalther.com/wa2000.htm

They're not cheap though. Best I recall somewhere upwards of $10 grand. Spare mags are advertised at $450 a piece.

[Zedicus]

Holy...! $10k+?:what:

Guess that gun gets put on my "In My Dreams" List....:(

[pbhome71]

There is a guy at RimFireCentral who make WA2000 stock set for Ruger 10/22.

I saw these stock and it looks good. It is not the same, but at least its cool factor is high. You may want to check it out (not cheap though.)

-Pat

[SDC]

Pat beat me to it; if you'd like a WA2000 "look-alike" (that's cheap to shoot as well), take a look at http://www.ironwooddesigns.com/2Aprodpage/11022prod.html . He does a real nice AUG conversion for the 10/22 too.

[c_yeager]

If you have an AK or a FAL you owe it to yourself to check out some of his stocks for those as well.

[Kodiak AK]

Those Are so Cool . I want both .:D

But , and it's a big but , He says right on the page he doesn't have a FFL , but he has to modify your trigger group for all of the conversions . How can he do that with out an FFL ?

[Gewehr98]

The serial numbered receiver is considered a firearm by the ATF, and requires an FFL for shipment. The Ruger 10/22 trigger group is something that can be bought, sold, traded, etc. without an FFL required. (That's how one can buy a Volquartsen or Kidd 10/22 trigger group without an FFL, too.) And all Claude Gatewood requires sent to him for the SG-2000 conversion is your 10/22 trigger group, he specifically states NOT to send him the receiver, since he doesn't have an FFL. ;)

[Kodiak AK]

Right Gewehr98 , but last time I checked No FFL no working on other peoples guns . Tweeking a trigger group even though it is only parts still counts as gunsmithing last time I checked.

[Gewehr98]

You (as the trigger maker) are not working on somebody else's gun, you're working on a component that's not serialed.

Just like the Williams Trigger Specialties folks, who take your HK or AR-15 trigger group and tune it up. Or the folks who advertise over on Rimfirecentral.com about their 10/22 trigger tune-ups. No FFL needed.

You the owner are working on the gun in your own home, simply removing and replacing the trigger group, stock, scope, recoil pad, etc. The serialed part of the gun isn't moving through shipping channels. When you start moving the serial numbered part, or the whole gun containing the serialed receiver, then an FFL has to be involved, at least on one end.

[Zedicus]

Looks good!:D

[Zedicus]

I'm more or less sold on the Conversion Kit, but can he do it for anything that shoots 7mm, .300 or .308?

Or can you convert a 10/22 to fire .308?

[pbhome71]

No, the receiver is too small for anything bigger the 22rf.

He has one kit for 22lr, and another kit for 22magnum, which will also fit 17HMR.

[Kodiak AK]

Gewehr98
OK . When you spell it out like that it makes sense . Thanx .:)

[LeonCarr]

That was a WA2000 in the James Bond movie The Living Daylights, so they made at least one of them :).

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

[BlkHawk73]

Well, I know there's at least one hee in this country. I saw it a while back at a gun show. The fellow that garrettwc had the link to had a tables of Walthers. One table had this WA2000 all by itself with a nicely made card saying "if you have to ask, you proberly can't afford it". :p I don't remember the exact price but yes, it was over $10k.

[0007]

If you can hold off for a while, a friend of mine down here in FL is looking into mfg a bullpup stock for the M1A. It would be based on the AWCS stock that was built back around '90-'91 as a prototype for a sniper/spotter weapon for the US military. Takes a fullsize M1A and turns it into a 33" long bullpup. Very nicely done and user friendly.

[Slingster]

I saw one on display at a local gun store several years ago. I think the price tag was around $10,000.

[KAZMAN]

I have a Walther factory pedigree of all the WA2000s ever produced. The WA2000 became illegal to own in Europe as of Jan. 1, 2005. It is still legal to purchase a WA2000 in the USA. I can help anyone, who is serious, in purchasing a WA2000. I also own one of only four known WA2000 owner's manuals in existence. Of course it is written in German. It is in pristine mint condition, VERY VERY RARE!!!
Prices for the .308 WA2000s in mint condition are priced in the mid to upper $20,000s!!!

These are for serious collectors only.

The actual prototype WA2000s exist!!! Information on these is not free and is very $$$$!!!

You're no. #1 resource to the WA2000.....

[Cesiumsponge]

Curious...

In the movie Equilibrium, they pawned off a WA2000 as a "shotgun" during the dog slaughtering scene. I wonder if they used a replica or the real thing. Kind of an injustice to play off the WA2000 as a futuristic pump-action shotgun

[Quintin Likely]

I think I read somewhere that something like sixty or 70 of them were ever made.

[The Grand Inquisitor]

Kazman - what is the preformance like on the WA2000's? IS it enough to justify the insane and overblown price?

I wonder what the accuracy is like on a WA2000 compared to that of HK's mythical (and similarly overblown and overpriced) PSG-1. It seems like both of these exist more for show and to be show pieces to pump up the companies name in movies (thereby letting non-shooters know about the company and thinking that "if I own a ______ then I'll be super-tactical like the movie guy Navy SEAL!". It certainly worked for HK...)

[The Grand Inquisitor]

ttt

[Cesiumsponge]

I think people are getting two completely different monetary aspects confused here. The fact that they were very limited in production and will never grow in numbers very well drives the market price. Take a look at class III firearms and the prices on those puppies. The number of existing civilian owned units will always decline over time.

If you do know the MSRP of the WA2000 when it came out, that would be a much better discussion because that monetary price would be based off what the company believed the rifle was worth. Paying $20,000 for an out-of-production firearm doesn't mean it shoots 20x better than a modern $1000 production rifle.

The market price of it right now is based solely on it's collectibility. Original numbers matching 1967 AC 427 Cobras and 1970 426 Hemicudas go for several hundred thousand dollars...not because they are the world's fastest car; they go for insane prices because there will never be more made and are considered collector items.

[Beav]

http://www.snipercentral.com/wa2000.htm

[Kalashnikov]

Under 1,000 were made and they are supposedly the BEST rifles ever made, at least in terms of accuracy. I thought they were chammbered in the .300 winchester magnum round though? In any case I would happily own one and will, if only in my dreams.

[Cesiumsponge]

$12,500 MSRP and only 72 units made according to that link. I have no idea what that dollar amount is today with inflation correction but $20,000 isn't unreasonable I'd hope.

It certainly screams "the best" by it's original price tag. Unfortunately, there aren't enough around, or enough willing owners to have it go to a head-to-head best-of-the-best competition for precision rifles that exist today.

This rifle was done 20 years ago. I would think rifles of equal accuracy or superior accuracy are available today at equal or lower cost. It would be hard to believe a benchmark (did this rifle even set some kind of benchmark?) set two decades ago hasn't been surpased by any firearm today, nor that no company has tried to break surpass it. Perhaps the high price tag will result in little or no sales and only serves as bragging rights. The highest priced rifles I am personally aware of are the DSR-1 and Accuracy International 50BMG models, the highest which run close to $15k.


I would go as far as saying there is more mystique than superiority on the WA2000...and yes, I make that statement entirely based on nothing. Yes, it looks awesome and I'd like one. But, I don't see any hard tests or evidence of accuracy of the rifle. I tried googling information but only found stories and no proof. "extreme accuracy" is a term one used to describe it but that is a subjective term.

One might never get an objective answer as the demand isn't high enough for someone with the monetary means, or publication powers to get such a comparison done.

[KAZMAN]

Hello everybody,

Below is an e-mail I received that explains the facts about all the different WA2000s ever made. This came directly from the Walther Factory! There are only 15 WA2000s in the USA. Serial numbers have been verified. The WA2000 is the best sniper rifle ever made, including today's exotics!!! The WA2000 won more sniper shoots than any other civilian or military sniper rifle!!! The WA2000 soon became a collector's item and disappeared from the sniper shoots and from the public eye.

I personally own a .308 WA2000. It is in mint condition. Includes S&M optics, 6 round magazine, bi-pod and original case. Accuracy is EXCELLENT!!! Do not let ANYONE tell you different, unless the rifle is defective!!!

The WA2000 is not a MYTH!!! The WA2000 has proven its worth as a sniper rifle and does not need anybody's comments one way or another about this issue. The WA2000 speaks for itsself!!! I am an Army veteran weapons expert.

If anybody is serious about owning one of these, please reply to me with a serious offer.


Hi Earl,

We have produced 65 pcs. in cal. .300 Win Mag and 92 pcs. in cal. .308.

There are also 20 pcs. with a "V" number. This makes a total of 177 pieces
produced.

Jürgen

----- Original Message -----
From: <j.oehme@carl-walther.de>
To: <info1@carlwalther.com>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 2:38 AM
Subject: WA 2000

[Kestrel]

I'm selling mine (in mint condition) for $4,800.00.













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