Garand rhymes with "parent"


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Topgun
February 8, 2003, 01:10 PM
OK class, prepare to sound silly. How many of us have been calling it a ...guh-RAND???? Probably most of us, me included.

In Julian Hatcher's "Book of the Garand" on the first page, he has a footnote:

"Pronounced with the G hard as in go, and the stress on the first syllable, to rhyme with parent (except that the final sound is d instead of t).

Soooooo......let's all get ourselves ostracized at every gun shop by asking to see the ..... GAIR-ends.

Can't do it. Gonna have to practice.

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Stephen Ewing
February 8, 2003, 01:27 PM
I've always looked at it this way: Rhymes with "parent" is a man's name/ "guh-RAND" is a rifle.

Keeps me from getting funny looks when I talk about the rifle, anyway.

Steve

OF
February 8, 2003, 01:29 PM
I saw a 'historian' of some importance (I assumed) on the History channel's Tales of the Gun the other day use guh-RAND, when speaking of the rifle. But then again, I heard another one say it GAIR-and.

Potato potahtoe I guess.

- Gabe

Dannyboy
February 8, 2003, 01:30 PM
Wouldn't it rhyme more with errand?

TearsOfRage
February 8, 2003, 01:44 PM
Same with Makarov. I used to think it was MAK-a-rov, but apparently it should be ma-KAR-ov.

GoldenLoki
February 8, 2003, 01:54 PM
I always thought of it as "grand" as in fabulous (or 1000) with a hard sounding G kinda ga or guh.

Miculek - mish, not mick (who knew?)

Heckler & Koch is pronounced.... H&K : )

Sellier & Bellot .... you guessed it S&B

Sabots are not robots, but the plastic part does rainBOW away.

I still say carbines like 'car buy in" just can't warm up to "car beans"

GoldenLoki ("low key" not "lock-E" : )

GoldenLoki
February 8, 2003, 02:01 PM
MAK-a-rov, but apparently it should be ma-KAR-ov

Good one, it doesn't help when people call them Maks all the time.

Mosin Nagant (mo-sEEn nah-gone)

Steyr (steer not stIre)


Mannlicher (man-leasher, not the gun name that causes the second most number of laughs I used to think it was... Bushmaster being #1 of course)

GL

Keith
February 8, 2003, 02:03 PM
Did anyone else see that Gun Show where a guy mentioned interviewing John Garands son? The son said the name was pronounced Guh- RAND and had no idea why some people insisted it should be pronounced otherwise. I think he'd know how to pronounce his own name.

As for Makarov, I think nearly all Russian words are pronounced with the accent on the second to last syllable. So logically it would be "ma KAR ov"

Keith

jmbg29
February 8, 2003, 02:21 PM
Pronounced with the G hard as in go, and the stress on the first syllable, to rhyme with parent (except that the final sound is d instead of t).That would be the Brit pronounciation. Screw the Brits.

Mike Irwin
February 8, 2003, 02:35 PM
I've been pronouncing it the way Hatcher notes for many years.

Seems a small thing to do to correctly pronounce the name of the man who designed one of the world's greatest battle rifles, thereby giving American soldiers an edge in WW II.

Given that Hatcher and Garand were friends, I'm wondering why Garand never corrected Hatcher's pronunciation?

Could be the son decided to change the pronunciation?

Friends of mine have a French name, Rebert. It was always pronounced with a hard T at the end, REH-bert.

Two of the daughters, though, have changed the pronunciation back to the French -- Reh-BER...

Keith
February 8, 2003, 02:55 PM
People change the pronunciation of their names all the time. My wife's family, for example, are supposedly "French" Canadians with the name of Coash. However, when my wife did a genealogy study she learned it was originally Kovacs and the family had come from Hungary! The name had changed to adopt the French pronunciation in Quebec. Other relatives landed in the US and still pronounce (and spell) the name Kovacs.

Undoubtedly, Garand is pronounced either way depending on whether the particular branch of the family landed in a French or English district of Canada. I assume Garand grew up speaking English since his son pronounces the name in the English fashion. I'm sure he wouldn't have corrected anyone who pronounced it in the French fashion...

Keith

hksw
February 8, 2003, 04:33 PM
I don't know. Having taken German I had always pronounced it as it would have been in that language, with the long I. As in the last name Meyer or buyer.

http://www.1upinfo.com/encyclopedia/S/Steyr.html

From what I have been told, the difference between the pronunciation of -ich- in German, i.e., either [-ish] or [-ikh] (sort of like a drawnout k), is due to dialect. Both are correct.

Mannlicher - MON-likh-er, or MON-lish-er

106rr
February 8, 2003, 04:40 PM
I used to get weird looks when I pronounced Leupold as loopold, instead of leeahpold. More than one person corrected me. Thanks for the update on Miculek -- you never know!

Many immigrants had their name changed by the INS. Bird was a common but improper translation of many irish names.
The Garand family probably had more than one pronounciation due to immigration pressures. This was common in North America.
Many more black americans had their names assigned by Irish American NCOs in the union army. There are many African Americans with Irish names in the USA. The largest clan of Hennigans in the USA are from the Carolinas and they are black.

spartacus2002
February 8, 2003, 04:45 PM
Once, I called Civ Marksmanship Program, to ask about ordering a GARR-and. I was harshly on-the-spot corrected that it was guh-RAND.

I figure they would know :D

Topgun
February 8, 2003, 05:47 PM
How bout: The Gairund is a GRAND rifle?

BamBam
February 8, 2003, 06:16 PM
My drill is a "DEEE-walt" unless I take it above the Mason-Dixon line; then it's a "de-WALT".

cuchulainn
February 8, 2003, 06:38 PM
This really reminds me of the different pronunciations of garage between the U.S. and England

U.S. = guh-RAHJ
England = GAIR-ej

I remember asking directions over there once.

"You turn just past the GAIR-ej"
"Past the what?"



.... or those people who say SHED-ju-uhl, instead of SKED-ju-uhl for schedule I guess they learned that "sch" is pronounced "sh" not "sk" from their "shool" teachers

chaim
February 8, 2003, 08:39 PM
I guess they learned that "sch" is pronounced "sh" not "sk" from their "shool" teachers "shool" is the correct pronounciation for shule, the Yiddish word for school :evil: (it's also used by Orthodox Jews for synagogue).

Tamara
February 8, 2003, 09:24 PM
I may be the only person who uses GAIR-ehnd and guh-RAND pretty much interchangeably.

I always thought "Mosin Nagant" was pronounced "Noisy Magnet". ;)

BigG
February 8, 2003, 09:31 PM
How is Nagant pronounced?

Mike Irwin
February 8, 2003, 11:02 PM
NAH gan if you're pronouncing it as it would be in Belgium, or so I've been told...

boing
February 9, 2003, 12:36 AM
Isn't anyone going to say "throat-warbler mangrove"?

MitchSchaft
February 9, 2003, 01:30 AM
Guh-R-On-D . :neener:

MitchSchaft
February 9, 2003, 01:34 AM
I guess they learned that "sch" is pronounced "sh" not "sk" from their "shool" teachers

I guess I've been pronouncing my last name wrong all these years :D. Schaftlein = Shaffline.

SIC TRANSIT GLORIA MUNDI
February 9, 2003, 02:25 AM
Isn't anyone going to say "throat-warbler mangrove"?

SILLY BUNT!

Kahr carrier
February 9, 2003, 05:02 AM
:what:

Topgun
February 9, 2003, 05:30 AM
The only people who would say "throat warbler mangrove" would be those in chartered accountancy.

LevelHead
February 9, 2003, 11:34 AM
My favs:

Heckler & Koch = Heck-ler and Coke (not kotch)
Sako = Sock-o (not Say-ko)

Bainx
February 9, 2003, 04:30 PM
But it is pronounced "Coke", I have heard it countless times on gun documentaries. I have a friend who just moved away and his last name is spelled Koch. He and wife always said "Coke".

hksw
February 9, 2003, 11:58 PM
I think LevelHead is saying that [koke] is the way it is suppose to be pronounced, as oppose to [kotch].

It's as close as you'll get in US English but I think a little more accurate pronunciation is [khttp://www.1upinfo.com/encyclopedia/images/characters/obreve.gifkh]. Again, that longish k like in -ich-.

Mike Irwin
February 10, 2003, 12:00 AM
Gunsmith in my old home town was named Kocher. Went to school with his kids.

They all pronounced it COKE-er...

LevelHead
February 10, 2003, 08:07 AM
Yeah my post is confusing.

Coke and Sock-O are the correct ways to pronounce.

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