Bersa Thunder .380?


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k8ysv
May 3, 2004, 08:07 PM
I've been presented the opportunity to pick up a brand-new unfired Bersa Thunder .380 from a friend of mine for $200. I was considering it for a BUG or for carry on hot days and as a quick-run-to-the-store gun.

I've read reviews which were all good, though most usually are. I was wondering if anybody had some real world experience or input.

Thanks!

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shooter.45
May 3, 2004, 08:16 PM
I have one and love it. I shot it for the first time this weekend. SHot about 100 rounds thru it without a hitch.. Great gun for the money. And accurate too.

http://www.hunt101.com/img/148271.JPG

38snapcaps
May 3, 2004, 09:59 PM
Here's some real world experience for ya:

Bought my first one one year and four months ago, it has 1500 rnds thru it with never a jam, I carry it.

Bought my second one last December because my wife liked the first one, she has it for home security when I'm not home.

One of the most comfortable and accurate handguns I've had.

$200 for a new one is not a steal but a fair price, especially since you don't have to pay tax on it-Buy it!

horge
May 3, 2004, 10:17 PM
Thunder 380 is very user-friendly.

As you say you've read the positive reviews, I'll confine myself to the few negatives:

1. The manual safety lever can bite you severely if you rack the slide with the safety ON. This is because the safety points downward past the slide (indeed, that is why the left grip panel has that relief cut out near the top). Persons with large hands or a loose grip need to be careful, or rack with the safety off..

2. Beginners can experience difficulty racking the slide and manipulating the manual safety. These are break-in issues and are resolved over a week of dry racking and switching, or two live trips to the range. As a simple blowback design, the recoil spring is quite stout, so there.

3. The 9-round mag sometimes offered with the piece can and will bite during a rapid reload. The polymer bottom holder extends rearwards to where it can pinch the heel of the palm against the magwell lip. If you have the 7-round mags, then you're gold. If you have the 9-rounders, either practice not getting bitten, or consider lopping off the rearward polymer extension (it is mostly superfluous, anyway).

Compare the 7-round and 9-round mags:
http://mabma.thereeftank.com/postpics/magbite1.jpg
http://mabma.thereeftank.com/postpics/magbite2.jpg

4. The steel trigger's overtravel stud nicks into the aluminium alloy frame with each trigger pull. This is a strictly-aesthetic issue, though. Easy to protect the frame with an adhesive pad.
http://mabma.thereeftank.com/postpics/trignik.jpg


5. The DA trigger pull tends to impart a mild left-then-right wiggle to the muzzle (this is common to a lot of other pistols). Weakhand support and proper trigger-fingering (avoid over or under-engaging the trigger) can prevent this. Besides, only the first pull is DA (and only if you don't cock the hammer yourself), all subsequent trigger pulls off the current mag are SA, and those SA pulls are pure sugar.

6. Beginners more accustomed to locking-breech designs can find that the Thunder 380 shoots low --but this is because of anticipating recoil (muzzle-flip, actually), which is much less pronounced than on a locking breech: the Thunder 380 has a low bore-axis. The recoil is snappish, all right, and it can trick the user into expecting significant upward muzzle flip ---but it ain't there, and so the hands can overcompensate, pushing the muzzle down excessively. Bent elbows and practice can alleviate it. A rested Thunder 380 is extremely accurate.

7. The steel slide is a soft-ish investment casting, and there's a lot of MIM around (trigger, slide catch, etc.) although the only MIM part I have a problem with is the manual safety lever. All other MIM parts are nice and beefy thick to compensate, but the safety lever is slender and subject to breakage when severely mishandled. Overall durability-wise.. I've noted a rental with 4-5,000 through it and still runs smoothly. Stephen Camp's piece has under 3,000 through it and "it has yet to malfunction".

8. There is scant option for accessorizing this puppy.
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
I've had to carve my own grips and try to DIY my own targetting laser (for dry drills only).

9. Some people don't like .380 ACP.



Heres another of those reviews you've indicated
An Absolute Beginner's Range Report: the Bersa Thunder 380 (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51948)

I have a website devoted to the Thunder 380, if you're interested.
Link is below

hth,
horge


***edittid fo speeling errosr, and i added gripe #9 ;)

P95Carry
May 3, 2004, 10:36 PM
No need to post really, cos it's all been covered ..... but as ever I have to congratulate Horge on a masterly synoptic, with excellent pics.

Kudos yet again!:)

gbelleh
May 3, 2004, 10:50 PM
Yes, others have pretty much covered it.

My real world experience with the Thunder .380 has been hundreds of rounds without a hitch of any kind. My girlfriend uses it for a carry/HD gun.

$200 sounds like a good price to me.

RonGoode
May 3, 2004, 11:02 PM
And don't sell it.

alwims
May 4, 2004, 07:30 AM
I just wanted to echo P95Carry on this one. Check out horge's site. IMO, it's one of the best, well put together, sites of any gun make on the net. Be sure and check out the pics on his site. He's got 2 pics of mine on there, a Thunder380 and a Firestorm380.

k8ysv
May 4, 2004, 09:51 AM
Thanks for all the info, guys. Horge, excellent write-up and review and great site!

I think I'll be picking the gun up from him. Not an especially great deal on it, but it's inexpensive to begin with. It's never been fired and is still in the factory cardboard box and wrap. I know he paid about 20 bucks more for it new plus tax (I was with him when he bought it).

I'll take it and run!!!

Thanks again all!

eyz
May 4, 2004, 09:52 AM
I've owned two, sold one. Easy takedown, ZERO malfunctions (something Kahr should strive for), very little recoil, $199 new at Academy Sports stores blued with fixed sights rubber grips or stainless plastic grips adj sights.

gun store trade in value $125 (it's worth double that to keep it)

Lobotomy Boy
May 4, 2004, 10:26 AM
I've run somewhere between 1,000-1,500 rounds through mine and I enjoy the heck out of it. I don't have any practical excuses for owning the gun--I have other guns for HD, CCW, target practice, hunting--and ammo is relatively expensive: $4/100 more than 9mm for CCI Blazer at Fleet Farm and only $2/100 less than .45 ACP. Still, I bring it along on just about every trip to the range just because I like to shoot it. These guns are fantastic values.

middy
May 4, 2004, 11:17 AM
Mine shot low for the 50 rounds I put through it. I have to take it out to the range and work on it some more, I guess. Also, it's not all that concealable. I wouldn't consider it a pocket gun like a .38 snubbie (unless you have big pockets). But, it is pretty thin and should be good IWB if you can find a holster that fits.

Lobotomy Boy
May 4, 2004, 11:26 AM
I'd think a holster for a Walther PP (not PPK or PPK/S) would work. The Bersa seems almost to have an almost identical shape to a PP I owned about 20 years ago.

tzeazas
May 4, 2004, 11:28 AM
The bursa 380 Thunder is an exellent Pistol for the price. They are build solid, reliable, accurate, great carry pistol and will eat all types of .380 ammo. Mine has not had any problems like FTE FTF ect, in over 500 rounds. They look slick too. I have two one has over 3000 rounds through it and still looks like as NIBI, I would get recommened the pistol for $200.00

Tony Z:D

kokapelli
May 4, 2004, 11:51 AM
I have a Bersa Thunder and like it, but I think it's a little large for a BUG! The Kel-Tec P-3AT shoots the same cartridge, is way smaller and is only seven and a half ounces verses twenty ounces for the Bersa! The Kel-Tec is only .77" thick verses about one and a quarter inches for the Bersa. The Kel-Tec just disappears in your pocket and is so light you will forget it is there! Retail price is about the same for either one.
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http://www.wtv-zone.com/jnib/images/ktog/profile_1.jpg

Lobotomy Boy
May 4, 2004, 11:56 AM
The Bersa is also a little heavy for a pocket gun.

horge
May 4, 2004, 07:50 PM
Yes, the Thunder 380 isn't a pocket pistol.
I think a Kel-Tec P3AT pretty much tops that category, once it's been worked over for reliability. However...

I think the reason for the Thunder 380's popularity is that most consumers AREN'T looking for a "backup gun" (BUG) or a "pocket pistol", or any of the dozen pigeonhole categories we've imposed on the market.

Throw those pigeonhole categories, those mental constructs, out and...

http://mabma.thereeftank.com/postpics/grip005.jpg
http://mabma.thereeftank.com/postpics/grip001.jpg

The Thunder 380 is simply a

fairly light (but not overly light),
fairly small (but not overly small),
ridiculously reliable,
easy/fun shooting,
cold-nads accurate,
high-actual-ROF,
high-controllability,
beginner-friendly,
inexpensive

pistol.



**Perhaps** a number of consumers are simply looking for a "pistol".
One that's reliable, accurate, and easy to use and master.


:)

Heraclitus
May 4, 2004, 08:45 PM
I once had two of these, but sold them for something in a much bigger caliber. It's a great little gun, though, and I wholeheartedly recommend it to anyone looking for an excellent CCW at a fraction of the cost of most excellent CCWs.

k8ysv
May 4, 2004, 09:46 PM
Well, the size is not too big a deal for me as I'm a BIG guy. 6'4" and upwards of 300#. I can pretty much use a Commander size 1911 as a BUG :D

That said, I've been in a "keep and eye out for" casual kinda mood concerning a smaller pistol but one that was still comfortable for me to shoot. I looked at the P3AT and my hands are too big for it. Neat little gun, but not what I was looking for.

Also looked at the Walther PPK. My ex girlfriend had one (because it was James Bond's gun) and it was OK, but not really worth the money they want for one. The Kahr was a possibility, but still up there in price. Plus, this presented itself.

Good news is, I picked up the Bersa from my buddy today, and managed to get him to come down to $175. Now I just need another magazine and I'm set!

Range report will be forthcoming if anyone's interested. I'll probably get to the range tomorrow.

rde
May 5, 2004, 12:12 AM
Bersa = :)

buy guns
May 5, 2004, 12:23 AM
do you guys think this would be a good gun for a beginner who has never shot before or would a .22 be better?

horge
May 5, 2004, 01:17 AM
Bersa Thunder 380 for a first gun?
Sure worked out fine for me and me wifey :)

If you want to play it safe, go to a range that will let you rent the Thunder 380 and a slew of other pistolas. Then you can choose and purchase, based on hands-on, personal experience!

birddog
May 5, 2004, 08:04 AM
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=881845

I've now put 1100 rounds through mine, and I love it. A few FTE's after many many rounds at the range, but not enough to worry me and they were mostly with Wolf ammo. I carry the Bersa with me nearly everywhere, including photo safaris (see above) and even while hunting, unless I am in bear country, where I carry my 629.

It's a light, fast, reliable gun. It's fun and cheap to shoot, and easy to conceal. I'd highly recommend it to anyone.

As a side note, I'd also like to give high praise to Horge's excellent resources on the Bersa. I've printed them and when I first learned to field strip the Bersa, I relied on Horge's pictures, not the owner's manual.

Enjoy.

Lobotomy Boy
May 5, 2004, 09:30 AM
I think a .22 is the best choice for a first gun, but only if a person really wants to develop his or her shooting skills. A casual shooter who doesn't plan to spend hours and hours shooting at targets would be okay with a .380 or 9mm or even a .45 ACP, provided he or she had proper training.

jval
May 6, 2004, 05:41 PM
Over 500 rounds through my Bersa 380 and not one glitch. However, be careful about non-Bersa Mags (like ProMag). Some shooters claim success, but I bought two and had to force them up into the magwell. I did not go any further, just returned them and paid the high prices for extra factory mags.

By the way, I'm a new reloader. About 100 of those 500 rounds were my first attempt at reloading. Seems that the Bersa will digest all sorts of rounds without problems.

MrAcheson
May 6, 2004, 06:16 PM
Seems that the Bersa will digest all sorts of rounds without problems.

I have heard the bersa feeds everything well. However the feedramp on a bersa is fairly soft aluminum. Some types of hollowpoints may wear it faster than others.

kokapelli
May 6, 2004, 06:28 PM
"the feedramp on a bersa is fairly soft aluminum. Some types of hollowpoints may wear it faster than others."

I have polished the ramp on my Bersa Thunder twice due to scuffing and have also wondered if this is going to be a problem down the road?

As far as ProMag magazines, I have two of them and they work fine in both my nickel plated Thunder and my Thunder DLX.

horge
May 6, 2004, 06:53 PM
What's the wear like, Jerry?

Mine is a very mild, hairline stripping of the nickel on the lower edge of the ramp. I tried taking a pic to post here, but the thin line of fresh aluminium doesn't distinguish too well from the nickel in photographs, especially since it's on the very edge.

Ironically, I got it using local LRN, rather than JHP: the LRN cases weren't properly crimped, with possibly some minor bullet setback, and so the case lip was sticking out a bit.

Hasn't been an issue at all since, since I have never had any sort of malf with factory ammo. It's a blessing that the ramp angle is so mild, with the topmost cartridge in the mag pointing almost right at the breech.

h

kokapelli
May 6, 2004, 07:09 PM
Horge: I'll try and take a picture of it later, but as you know my equipment is not to good. I shot 100 rounds through my Thunder DLX this morning and it may show up a little better since the ramp is blued. I'll take pictures of both and post them.

kokapelli
May 6, 2004, 09:19 PM
Horge: Pretty bad Picture! Can't tell anything from it.
The ramp in my nickel palted Thunder actually does not look bad since I polished it.
The ramp in the Thunder DLX is not gauling at all, so far!
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http://www.wtv-zone.com/jnib/images/ktog/ramp.jpg
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http://www.wtv-zone.com/jnib/images/ktog/Bersas_2.jpg

horge
May 7, 2004, 01:04 AM
...and I thought my photos were bad...hehe.
:)

k8ysv
May 7, 2004, 09:14 AM
So I took my new Bersa to the range last night to put some lead through it. I must say that I'm very happy with it. It's a relatively easy gun to shoot and to shoot well. Percieved recoil seems less than I remember with my ex's old PPK/S and it was very controllable.

This being my first time shooting this particular gun, I was able to get fairly small groups at 25 feet (which is all I was shooting at). I'd say they were maybe less than two and a half inches. Within four magazines (28 rounds) I had a nice ragged-edged one-holer. I didn't notice the accuracy dropping as the gun got dirtier. I put two boxes (100 Rounds) of Federal American Eagle 95 Grn FMJ through the gun last night.

Functioning of the gun from first round through last was smooth. I did, however experience one nagging issue. More often than not, I would get a FTF once per magazine. I did have a few mags that went through without a hitch but I'd say only 2 or three overall. I'd strip the mag and rack the slide and the round would fall out the magwell. Upon inspection of the misfed round, I found a slight nick in the nose of the bullet where it had apparently hit the ramp somewhere. The FTF rounds were able to be safely reused and fired perfectly when fed.

I presently only have one magazine (I'm shopping for more) and it's a Bersa factory mag with the finger extension on it. Most of the FTFs happened on the next-to-last or the last round in the mag. Two of them happened on the third round. I'm hoping that the mag will smooth out and improve after a "break-in" period but we'll see.

I've heard that Pro-Mag magazines work well but if anyone has any other recommendations, I'm all ears!

All in all, I'd say that I'm glad I let you all talk me into this gun. It's a welcome addition to my collection!

horge
May 7, 2004, 07:41 PM
k8ysv,


A failure to feed is serious business, particularly in a normally reliable piece like the Thunder 380, and needs looking into.

The magazine needs to be checked:
Depress the feeder platform (aka 'follower') with a stick, then lock it down by passing a small screwdriver (or a hard wire) through the witness holes above it, on either side of the magazine tube. Check the upper third of the tube's interior for roughness or protrusion, using a cotton bud to 'feel around'. If you find something, knock it off with rag or appropriate abrasive fabric around the end of another stick, and lightly lube.

You could also do a more thorough check, by disassembling the magazine first. (Read this (http://www.geocities.com/bersa_thunder/articlemagdiss.html), there's a portion pertinent to disassembly/reassembly of your mag, but Eye protection at all times!). Aside from the mag tube interior, the sides of the feeder platform should be checked for roughness/protrusions. Ditto the spring itself.

When unwanted friction delays the next cartridge from rising into proper position in time to be soundly kicked by the slide into the breech, you can wind up with a malf as you describe. The spring and the feeder platform have quite some wiggle room inside the tube, and so the points of contact between the feeder platform and the mag tube can vary from time to time. You thus get malfs sometimes, and sometimes you don't.

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You said you racked the unfired cartridge out and it fell out the magwell.

The nick on the bullet may not have come from the feedramp. When racking out an unfired bullet, you need a lot of speed (and immediately) for the ejector to do its thing-- otherwise the bullet nose hangs up on the forward edge of the ejector port. An instinctive, follow-up semi-rack then drags the bullet back to the magwell so it can rattle/fall out.

I sometimes rack out an unfired cartridge in SLOW MOTION.
This pulls the cartridge back slowly, and then it falls out the magwell unharmed by improper contact with the ejection port lips. Of course, this is probably a bad habit to form --unsuitable to a defense situation.

Get a snap-cap/dummy (with a profile similar to your carry ammo) to practice racking an unfired cartridge out. It is easier to do this with the hammer down-- overcoming the resistance of the hammer is akin to spinning car wheels on brake before release --you get maximum slide velocity upon overcoming the hammer's resistance.

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Thanks for the report, and let us know if the magazine repents and redeems itself.

hth

k8ysv
May 7, 2004, 09:14 PM
Thanks for the advice Horge! To clarify, when I racked the slide to eject the misfed cartrdges, they were not in correct position for the extractor to pull them out. They fell out of the magwell because they were not really in any position to exit from the ejection port. The cartridges were angled upward and upon inspection, it appears that the nick in the bullet nose came from the TOP edge of the chamber.

I inspected the magazine and loaded it with some leftover ammo. I then unloaded the mag as quickly as I could with my thumb (on the back edge of the round to simulate the slide action) with the purpose of finding a hangup in the feeding. Here's what I found: The inner surface of the feed lips was putting what I thought to be a little too much drag on the cartridges as they were being stripped from the mag. I disassembled the mag and checked for burrs as you suggested. None found and no strands left from a cotton ball. I lightly sanded the inner edge of the feed lips (carefully!) and then polished them with a Q-tip and some Flitz metal polish.

Reassembly of the mag shows that this has smoothed up the excess drag on the cartridges. They still hold firmly, but do not impede the forward motion of the cartridge.

Next I tried to figure out why the last round was misfeeding so often. When stripping the last round by hand, I noticed a very pronounced (for lack of a better term) dead spot on the follower which seemed to grab the cartridge. Apart came the mag again and out came the Dremel and the Flitz. The follower, which already seemes to be polished, was smoothed out some more. All sides were polished with the idea to smooth its travel within the mag tube.

Second reassembly of the mag shows the last round to feed MUCH more smoothly than before. The extra drag on the last round has been eliminated.

The final test will have to be a trip back to the range to see if the magazine benefitted at all from this buff 'n' polish job. I probably won't be able to until Tuesday, at which time I'll post the results.

In the meantime, I'm seeking advice on additional magazines. Are the factory ones worthwhile or are the pro-mags a better value?

Thanks!

Sato Ord
March 21, 2008, 08:38 PM
Hi all. I am new to the forum and found it because I was doing a search on the pistol I just bought and this forum came up.

I got my pistol nearly new. The guy who bought it put two mags through it and traded it back in because it didn't feed well. Well, the guy apparently field striped it and put the spring back in backwards; of course it didn't feed properly. However, I got the pistol for $226 out the door because it was "used".

Now I may be flogging a dead horse here, but I just joined and I have only read this one thread. As for reliability I bought the piece because I have seen it field tested by enough people to know it will hold up.

As to not having much punch, if you hit your mark, how much punch do you need. I am an old soldier and would prefer a 1911, but this will eventually be my wife's carry pistol and she is petite with small hands and not a whole lot of arm strength. When I pass it on to her I will get a Commander.

As for being less easily concealed than some smaller pistols, I don't see the problem. I carry in a left handed holster on my right hip; cavalry style. That's what long shirts are made for.

In response to the holster issue, and I may have missed someone else making this point, the trigger guard on this weapon is longer, and pointed than the PPK, so the holsters aren't interchangeable. However, a little work with a file and dremel should fix most of that problem. Also, Kydex is cheap and a paint stripper heat gun should allow you to make a nice custom holster in short order.

About deburring the gun, I'm going to do mine myself. I'm talented enough to do it, and if, on the off chance I do manage to mess it up, the gun is not too expensive to make experimentation cost prohibitive.

Hope these points add to the discussion and not just repeat what has already been said.

Oh, as to the comment about carrying the Bersa everywhere except bear country, I have to agree. I'm hoping to take my son, the eleven year old, to Alaska next summer to pan for gold. I'm planning to get a Super Redhawk Alaskan 454 snubby for that. I don't want to have to shoot a kodiak, but if the situation comes up I darn sure don't want to have to shoot it twice.

XDKingslayer
March 22, 2008, 01:33 AM
I had a Bersa...until my wife claimed it.

DougW
March 22, 2008, 12:12 PM
I carry my Bersa Thunder .380 every day. In fact, it has been sort of moved to my secondary concealed weapon after my Glock 26. But, on a recent trip, the G26 assumed room temperature, and the Bersa became the primary. It is a great carry piece here in Texas in the middle of the summer in an IWB holster with shorts, Hawaiian shirt, and sandles. I actually have 2, and have no intention of selling the 2nd, which was the wife's carry piece until she changed to a .38 revolver. The Thunder is a wonderful pistol.

Lobotomy Boy
March 22, 2008, 02:50 PM
I sold mine about a year ago. It was an extremely good, one of the most trouble free I've ever owned, but I replaced it with a Glock 36. The Glock is about the same size, weighs less, and packs quite a bit more punch, an important consideration since I've been spending more time in places frequented by mountain lions than when I bought my Bersa.

Of course, the Glock cost three times what I paid for the Bersa. I would have kept the Bersa, but in every application where I used the Bersa I now use the Glock. I hated to see it wasting away in my gun safe so I sent it to a new home where it would be appreciated.

DWARREN123
March 22, 2008, 02:50 PM
I had one, fine pistol, never a problem. Only reason I traded it was I went to one centerfire handgun caliber (40 S&W).

Ala Dan
March 22, 2008, 09:34 PM
Covered in many threads, as my ole' friend and moderator P95 Carry has
stated. I own one, its bigger than my KEL-TEC P3AT; but just as good a
gun~! ;) :D

Hokkmike
March 22, 2008, 09:49 PM
I'll just add that I have been very happy with mine. The other posters have done such a fine job!

edison
March 22, 2008, 10:48 PM
Boy did this resurrect an old thread. :)

I have three (actually two Bersas and one FireStorm). Probably my second-most carried pistol (behind my P3AT). If you going to shoot the pistols, there's no comparison, the KT is just uncomfortable to shoot because of its light weight. The Bersa, on the otherhand, absorbs the 380 recoil nicely.

Observations:
The Bersa beavertail rubs across my thumb knuckle. If I shoot the Bersas regularly it's not a problem, but when I shoot them infrequently, I get the rub mark across the knuckle. I imagine it comes from the way I hold the pistol. I shoot 1911s and other pistols and don't get this mark from them.

Bersas will chamber a round if you slam the mag home. It's suppose to be a feature, but I found one of my Bersas does it a lot more readily than the other two. This totally freaked out my wife when it occurred at the range. I bought her the pistol for off-duty carry, but she was not comfortable with a pistol with its own mind.

The 380 round in the Bersa is snappier than I expected. It could be it's because of its blow back action. Still, I could shoot it all day and it's absolutely heavenly compared to the snap of the P3AT.

There are more and more accessories available for the Bersa 380 line, including fitted holsters from several makers. I no longer have to put them in throwaway Uncle Mikes. I'd carry my Bersa more, but the Wee Beastie (P3AT) is just easier to carry. I'm a 1911 guy so that's what I shoot at the range.

There's a forum devoted to the Bersa. Sorry I don't have the link, I'm not on my regular PC.

edison

edison
March 22, 2008, 11:02 PM
To Sato Ord:

In response to the holster issue, and I may have missed someone else making this point, the trigger guard on this weapon is longer, and pointed than the PPK, so the holsters aren't interchangeable. However, a little work with a file and dremel should fix most of that problem. Also, Kydex is cheap and a paint stripper heat gun should allow you to make a nice custom holster in short order.

1. You may not need to take that file to that fine pistol. There are holster makers producing models for the BT380 now. Both mainstream holster makers and small shops make suitable leather. Never looked for Kydex, so don't know about it.

2. The FireStorm version uses the older rounded triggerguard, but still the Bersa/FireStorm is thicker than the PPK, might as well get leather, or Kydex, that fits.

edison

whichfinger
March 22, 2008, 11:13 PM
Sato Ord said:
About deburring the gun, I'm going to do mine myself. I'm talented enough to do it, and if, on the off chance I do manage to mess it up, the gun is not too expensive to make experimentation cost prohibitive.

Be aware the BERSA aluminum frame is anodized. A principal advantage of anodizing is a harder, more wear-resistant surface. If you decide to "deburr" or otherwise modify the frame, you will remove the anodizing from those areas. The exposed raw aluminum will be obvious, as well as softer. This, BTW, is a good reason not to polish the feed ramp. Remove the anodizing and the feed ramp will wear more rapidly.

The BERSA forum is here. (http://bersatalk.com/forums/default.aspx)

Sato Ord
March 23, 2008, 03:01 AM
Good points about deburring.

All I'm looking to do is round off the guard, which I know will void any warranty on the lower end of the gun. I may not tinker with it now that I've found out about the anodizing though. I'll have to think it through and talk more with my local gunsmith about it. I may decide that removing a little anodizing from the trigger guard is worth it to make it draw more easily. On the other hand, since it's eventually going to be my wifes gun and will end up in her pocket or the center console of the car, I may simply decide it isn't worth the hassle. Of course, she wanted another Taurus model 85 and I may end up buying her one of those before I get my new 1911, which brings me back to carrying the Bersa. Boy, I could sit here and argue with myself about this for the rest of the night: I guess that's what I get for having a French Canadian Grandfather.

I still want to make my own custom holster. That way I get exactly what I want. I plan on this little pup traveling with me and my wife, and when we are together I am the one who carries (she prefers not to carry if she can avoid it. {former pacifist}). If I make the custom holster myself I get exactly what I want and it is perfectly adjusted to my particular quirks.

TTR
March 23, 2008, 10:45 AM
I have a Bursa Thunder 380 in Duo Tone. Very nice white sights. Surprisingly accurate for a small pistol. Conceals well for me and it goes "BANG" every time I pull the trigger. I love this little 380.

edison
March 23, 2008, 05:19 PM
My IWB is a Don Hume 715 for my BT350. High Noon Holsters also produces a model just for the Bersa. Probably not a big stretch since it already produced a model for the PPK. But again, those are leather and Sato Ord is a Kydex fan.

If you are looking to make another purchase, Sato, you might consider the FireStorm 380. Same manufacturer, just comes with the older rounded style trigger guard. Oh, the sights are different. The FireStorm comes with a non-adjustable, white outline U at the rear. And to show you how compatible they are, my FireStorm upper is sitting on a Bersa frame. I don't mind the trigger guard extension, but I do like the white outline U sight picture for fast shooting.

Have fun molding, that way you'll get exactly what you want.

edison

MICHAEL T
March 23, 2008, 05:30 PM
Well my personal Thunder is over a 1000 rounds and has never jamed.
Horge has the Chapter House
I invite you to come and join http://bersatalk.com over 2600 members and growing every day. We have a warrenty center gun smith in our tec section and the best Bersa holster maker as a member . Several times a year I pass out freebies to members . All around a fun place

Bersa custom leather at a reasonable price http://ubgholsters.com

schimpz
December 23, 2008, 02:00 AM
I baught a bursa 380 about 1 month ago my best friend is a CHP from redwood city. we went shooting and i put 32 rounds through it. it jammed and the gun would not fire when you pulled the trigger... i took it to my local gun store and just got it back. if i had to do it over again would buy a glock 27

kokapelli
December 23, 2008, 09:14 AM
I baught a bursa 380 about 1 month ago my best friend is a CHP from redwood city. we went shooting and i put 32 rounds through it. it jammed and the gun would not fire when you pulled the trigger... i took it to my local gun store and just got it back. if i had to do it over again would buy a glock 27
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ultradoc
December 23, 2008, 09:27 AM
I had a chance to but one for $225 and passed on it. I should have got it even though it was the satin nickle finish. I wanted the matte finish. It also had some rough edges on it.

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