The best Rifle/Pistol combo of the same caliber?


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Dionysusigma
May 5, 2004, 06:24 PM
Just something that's been popping in and out of my mind today at work...

People have talked about survival situations, and "One of each" stuff, and I was wondering what the best combo of a rifle and pistol would be if they had to be the same caliber.

The two most popular that I've seen seem to be a lever-action rifle and revolver in .357 or a semi-auto carbine in 9mm with an autoloading pistol to go with it. Personally, these seemed to be fine in the handgun area, but the rifles (as it seems to me) might be underpowered. Other stuff I've thought of include:

AR-15 and an AR-15 "pistol"
Glock or 1911 with their respective carbine conversion kits
Thompson and 1911 :)
M1 Carbine and a Taurus Raging Thirty

And my favorite, which I'm actually thinking of getting someday:

Marlin 1895 and a BFR in .45-70 :eek: :D

Well, what about everyone else? Not necessarily for self-defense/survival/SHTF needs, but for fun as well--what combo do you think would be the best for you?

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cidirkona
May 5, 2004, 06:26 PM
I wouldn't mind having one of those KelTec's in 40 to go along with my glock 27...

I don't think I'd want a pistol that would shoot 8mm mauser...

...wait... yeah I would... :D

-Colin

Hkmp5sd
May 5, 2004, 06:31 PM
One combination that was poplular in the law enforcement community back in the 80s is the Marlin Camp Carbine in 9mm and S&W 59 series pistol. Not only are they both the same caliber, the Marlin also uses the S&W 59 series magazines.

Chipperman
May 5, 2004, 06:43 PM
I'm pretty happy with my P7M13 and MP5 combo. :cool:

boofus
May 5, 2004, 06:51 PM
If anything goes I wouldn't mind getting a FN P90 to go with my 5.7 pistol. :D

That P90 looks like loads of fun but very bad for the wallet with ammo at $.50 a shot. :(

No Trespassing
May 5, 2004, 06:55 PM
My Desert Eagle .44mag & Marlin 1894SS.

ducktapehero
May 5, 2004, 06:56 PM
I like the 357 revolver/lever action combo. No magazines to mess with and the 357 picks up quite a bit of steam out of the longer barrel. The 44 mag combo in these is even better but quite a bit more expensive to feed. I have heard that the stripper clips to the SKS will hold 38/357 ammo quite well. If it does then that would be a VERY convienent way to carry extra ammo. Hopefully someone knows if this is true.

anapex
May 5, 2004, 07:09 PM
I like my Marlin Camp 45 and 1911 combo, same ammo, same mags, same amount of fun!

Dionysusigma
May 5, 2004, 07:32 PM
OOooooOOooo... :D

Just found Valkyrie Arms' Delisle 2000! http://www.valkyriearms.com/d2000.htm Looks like a beaut to me... a genuine bolt-action EBR! :cool:

The Delisle Sporter has its own charm too... http://www.valkyriearms.com/sporter.htm

4v50 Gary
May 5, 2004, 07:35 PM
Not the best but perhaps the most fun - Marlin 94 in .357 along with a Ruger DA revolver. For more serious work, Marlin 94 loaded with hot 44 Mags and ported S&W M29 type revolver.

45King
May 5, 2004, 07:41 PM
A couple come to mind that haven't been mentioned.

.45 Colt- Taurus Tracker, Win. '94 Trapper
.357 Mag.- Any number of good revos and an IMI Timberwolf pump carbine.

bpisler
May 5, 2004, 07:45 PM
Ruger blackhawk and a marlin lever action in 45 colt.I reload so ammo cost would not matter.

spacemanspiff
May 5, 2004, 07:48 PM
that delisle sporter is freaking awesome!!!

:D

Taipei Personality
May 5, 2004, 08:29 PM
Mine is a Glock 34 and Glock 26 coupled with a Ruger PC-9. I just wish the Ruger took Glock magazines! :)

Kharn
May 5, 2004, 08:38 PM
M1A1 Tommy Gun and a 1911A1. Did you even have to ask? :neener:

Kharn

Brian Williams
May 5, 2004, 09:11 PM
I think that the Marlin 1984c and either a S&W 13 or 586 or a Ruger Old Model Blackhawk....
http://www.gunpix.com/gallery/Rifles/Lever_Actions/357's-1894sw13sw586.jpg

Bullet Bob
May 5, 2004, 09:17 PM
The most fun rifle ever made, a Browning 92 in .357:

http://www.fototime.com/7F19B32A93825B7/standard.jpg

and, the best all-around handgun ever made, a S&W model 27-2 with a 5" barrel:

http://www.fototime.com/5F3CB629DD490A9/standard.jpg

Of course, these are just my completely unbiased (ahem) opinions!

Legionnaire
May 5, 2004, 09:27 PM
Well, I have a couple combos that might work ...

Marlin 1894S, Ruger SuperRedhawk or Taurus M44 in .44mag.

Also have several .22LR combinations pairing a .22 rifle (either bolt action or semi auto) with a pistol (revolver or semi auto).

In an urban survival situation, I'd probably go with the .44s. In a rural setting, I'd give serious consideration to the .22s.

What I'd like, though is a Ruger PC4 carbine that takes Glock magazines!

VaughnT
May 5, 2004, 09:39 PM
Considering the effectiveness of the .357mag, and the cheap cost of .38spl practice ammo, I'd have to go with a lever-action chambered in said caliber to match my S&W 686....or that Colt Trooper I'm looking for.

If that Delisle carbine was semi-auto, I'd buy it in a heartbeat!:D

Rexrider
May 5, 2004, 09:45 PM
From Ducktapehero
"I like the 357 revolver/lever action combo. No magazines to mess with and the 357 picks up quite a bit of steam out of the longer barrel. The 44 mag combo in these is even better but quite a bit more expensive to feed. I have heard that the stripper clips to the SKS will hold 38/357 ammo quite well. If it does then that would be a VERY convienent way to carry extra ammo. Hopefully someone knows if this is true."

I just tried putting .357's on a stripper clip. it does work, but just barely. The rounds don't slide on the clip very well. The rims are just a little bit to small in diameter...just. It did seem to be a good idea but I could not see a quick and easy way to pull them off and load the side gate on the lever-action.

My vote is for the .357 lever-action with revolver. Mostly because I am halfway there with a Marlin 1894c. The revolver is next on the list. Either a S&W 686 or a Ruger GP100...not sure which yet. Then their is the Taurus Tracker....a nice single action would fit nice too....errr. Decisions :banghead:

ROAshooter
May 5, 2004, 10:13 PM
I have it now......my 629...5'....44mag....with Ruger 77/44 all weather...cant imagine anything these two cant handle...

WonderNine
May 5, 2004, 10:16 PM
A Rossi Puma and a Freedom Arms revolver in .454 Casull.

Just wish FA made a six shot .454 like everyone else.

Freedspeak
May 5, 2004, 11:47 PM
Agree with legionaire, super redhawk and lever action in 44 mag.

I have other combos, 357 and 9mm, but for pure efficiency the 44 is best, though the 357 is close.:D

entropy
May 5, 2004, 11:56 PM
Cool username, Freedspeak! double pun and spoonerism!:D How about a PPSH42 and a Tokarev, CZ52, or Stechkin?:evil:
I guess I need to get an S&W 59 series to go with my Kel-Tec SUB2000!:D

Freedspeak
May 6, 2004, 12:08 AM
Entropy, been using it since the 70's!

I mainly took it for the double meaning then, but the Galantin/spooner aspect manifested itself more when I went Lib.

The next combo might be along the lines of a .444 marlin and a T/C in the same.:evil:

"Was someone talking about cutting trees?":rolleyes:

lycanthrope
May 6, 2004, 12:13 AM
Ruger 10/22 and Mark II.

Otherwise, Rifle calibers shot out of pistols are weak. And pistol calibers shot out of rifles are still....just slightly faster pistol calibers.

I've shot the BFR in 45-70. It was disappointing. Nothing even as harsh as a .44 mag. You need barrel length for that cartridge. Now....the .454 Casull......it was all that and a bag of chips.......but hits nothing like a decent rifle........

entropy
May 6, 2004, 01:09 AM
Doesn't Marlin make an M1895 in .454 casull? ;)

For the 'reach out and touch 'em' crowd, how about these:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=838529



http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=824429

:evil:

Teufelhunden
May 6, 2004, 09:27 AM
Glock or 1911 with their respective carbine conversion kits

While I'd like to get a CCU / Carbine Conversion Unit once I get my 1911, it strikes me as the least desireble of your listed options simply because it involves disabling half of your combo to make the other half work instead of simply being able to transition from one to the other.

If whatever situation you see yourself needing this particular combination for does not require the ability to move from one weapon to the other without delay, the CCU seems a good way to save money and packing space.

-Teuf

OEF_VET
May 6, 2004, 09:58 AM
My personal choices are:
S&W 686 / Marlin 1894C in .357/.38
Ruger P89 / PC9 in 9mm (same mags)
Ruger P94 / PC4 in .40 S&W (again, same mags)
Glock 17 / K-T SUB-2000 in 9mm (once again, same mags)
S&W Model 59 / K-T SUB 2000 in 9mm (still again, same mags)
Beretta 92 / CX-4 in 9mm (and again, same mags)
2 x M-1911's (one outfitted with CCU conversion) (yet again, same mags)

Notice the trend with using the same mags?

Frank

OEF_VET
May 6, 2004, 09:58 AM
Problem with computer, multiple posts. Mods, please delete.

OEF_VET
May 6, 2004, 09:58 AM
Sorry all, somehow, I posted several times. My deepest apologies.

OEF_VET
May 6, 2004, 09:58 AM
same as above

entropy
May 6, 2004, 10:00 AM
:confused:

MrPink
May 6, 2004, 10:01 AM
S&W PC 66 F-comp and a Cimarron 1873 trapper in 357. Great combo smooth actions on both guns. Accurate enough withing the range of the ammo.

Ben Shepherd
May 6, 2004, 10:25 AM
I could run the 357, 41, or 44 combo. Any of them will do. But if I'm not chasing something double my weight with teeth and claws, I'd run the 357 combo for the ammo weight/bulk factor.

Out of my rifle a 158 grain slug will run over 2100 fps. Tell me that isn't as good as a 150gr 30-30 load.

outfieldjack
May 6, 2004, 11:13 AM
I have a Glock 22 (.40 cal) and a Kel-Tec Sub 2000 that uses the same mags.

W Turner
May 6, 2004, 11:21 AM
For a SHTF situation I would go with a Marlin 1894 in .357mag with a Ruger GP-100 in stainless.

For any other situation it would be a Marlin 1894 in.44mag with a 3" bbl. SW model 29.

Mino

41mag
May 6, 2004, 12:01 PM
Well geez!No one has mentioned that Hi-Point makes a nifty little carbine & pistol in both 9mm & 40 s&w.
Not saying that it would be my 1st choice....:o



But I felt that SOMEONE had to say it.:D

iamkris
May 6, 2004, 12:10 PM
Rossi Win92 clone and Ruger Blackhawk (or S&W 629 Mountain Gun or Taurus 450) in .45 Colt.

Similar choices in .357 (although I'd choose a 4" Python) would be a close second.

1911 and a Marlin Camp Carbine in 45 ACP would be choice #3.

Witness paired with an MP5 in 10mm would be choice for #4.

Nathanael_Greene
May 6, 2004, 02:43 PM
I'd take a Marlin 1894C and a Taurus .357 any day.

ducktapehero
May 6, 2004, 03:14 PM
I'm surprised by the number of people who would take a lever action and a revolver. I figured the auto pistols with carbines that take the same magazine would be the most prominent.

iamkris
May 6, 2004, 03:22 PM
ducktapehero

I would have been surprised by that also three years ago...that's when I started shooting cowboy action. I didn't realize the firepower a good man/woman behind a single action and lever action could create.

As an example, my cowboy action club sponsored a charity shoot against local cops. They with their duty weapons (semi autos all) against us with our "ancient" single actions and 100-year old long guns.

....we smoked 'em :D

M2 Carbine
May 6, 2004, 03:34 PM
My UZI and whatever 9mm

and

Marlin 45 Camp Carbine and whatever 45ACP 1911.

Thompson and whatever 45ACP pistol.

Winchester 9422 XTR and whatever 22 pistol.

Smoke
May 6, 2004, 04:18 PM
While I'd like to get a CCU / Carbine Conversion Unit once I get my 1911, it strikes me as the least desireble of your listed options simply because it involves disabling half of your combo to make the other half work instead of simply being able to transition from one to the other.

No, no, no. :banghead:

Don't you know a legitimate reason to buy another gun when it's right in front of you? :neener:

I've always been interested in that CCU, never have tried one.

I have a Win '94 and Ruger Vaquero in 45 Colt.

Lots of other good suggestions.

Would love to have the Thompson 1911 combo.

How about a AR conversion for 45acp to go with the 1911?

Smoke

Smaug
May 6, 2004, 04:39 PM
If it had to serve all purposes:
S&W Model 29 revolver (mine has an 8 3/8" barrel)
Marlin 1894

Just as a fun combo, if I could keep my Ruger P90 and/or a 12 gauge for defense
Ruger Mk. II Target
Ruger 77/22

Any rifle that is really capable of 'reaching out' past 100 yards really can't fire a round that you would want to handhold. The 44 Magnum combo is perfect. You can load target 44 Special rounds, or full-house magnums for huntin in the rifle.

Wiley
May 6, 2004, 05:28 PM
Winchester 1873 carbine, Remington 1875 revolver both in .44WCF.

Lord Bodak
May 6, 2004, 06:59 PM
Would a pistol-caliber carbine hold its own in a SHTF scenario? And what's out there in .40S&W? I know of the Kel-Tec, Hi-Point, and Ruger, but not much else...

Shanghai McCoy
May 6, 2004, 07:20 PM
Hmmm,how bout my .54 cal flint Hawken rifle and the .54 flint Kentucky pistol? That smokeless stuff is just a fad.:)

WonderNine
May 6, 2004, 07:34 PM
Doesn't Marlin make an M1895 in .454 casull?

Not that I know of. I wish though. I Winchester 94 in .454 would be great.

TheLastBoyScout
May 6, 2004, 08:03 PM
For practicality/SHTF-- None of em. A decent rifle round should not fit in a practically sized pistol.

For fun/ range- the first that come to mind are:

MP5N and M9

MP5/10 and 10mm 1911

Thompson and 1911

UMP 45 and MK23

Storm & M9

10/22 and Neos

Out of all those, I'd probably pick the 1st or 2nd as "best". None of them have the range that I would want from a rifle though.

Ben Shepherd
May 6, 2004, 08:16 PM
Rossi makes the Puma in 454. That with a 454 SRH would be very potent.

ducktapehero
May 6, 2004, 08:24 PM
TheLastBoyScout, I have to KINDA disagree with you. I think that in a SHTF situation a 357 or 44 combo would be adequate FOR SOME PLACES. In an urban environment or somewhere where the shots are most likely under 100 yards both would be good. Both of these rounds pick up a lot of power from a rifle length barrel. Of course if you live in an area where 125+ yard shots are common then you are VERY right.

Erik Jensen
May 6, 2004, 10:24 PM
well, there are two different combos that I would be interested in.
Modern style combo: Beretta 92F and Beretta CX4 Storm.
not just ammo compatibility, but magazine compatibility, too. also, 9mm is cheap, and I've got loads and loads of it lying around. not great for really long shots (more than 150yds, I would think), but it would be great in an urban setting, and, of course, cheap fun at the range. only requires purchasing one gun, since I already have the 92

Classic combo: Marlin lever action in .357mag or .45Colt, and (for my tastes) an S&W Double action in the same caliber.
requires purchase of both guns, since I have neither. not as quick to reload. cartridge is much more powerful, however. ammo is more expensive. overall purchase price of the firearms themselves would be cheaper, methinks, though a bit more expensive to feed, especially in .45Colt.

Rifleman 173
September 21, 2007, 03:54 AM
Olympic Arms makes a couple of versions of the AR-15 type rifle that uses Glock magazines. One is made in 9mm and another is made in .40 caliber. You can have an AR-15 type blowback operated rifle and a good Glock pistol that actually use the SAME ammo and magazines. It's something to think about and consider if you trust Olympic Arms quality.

frogomatic
September 21, 2007, 08:00 AM
PS90/5-7, huge ammo capacity, light weight, compact, maneuverable, easily silenced, good penetration

Win 94/Army single action in 45 colt...for that old time feel

high point carbine/pistol combo in 40 S&W...for the dirt cheap route

a lever gun/revolver in 500 S&W would pretty sweet. Now if we can just get someone to make a lever in the 500 for the commercial market...here's hoping

while I'm wishing and making stuff up...

an AR/DEagle in 450 bushmaster, now that would be freakin sweet!

subierex
September 21, 2007, 08:19 AM
EMF Hartford 1892 w/ 24" barrel and S&W 625, both in 45LC.

44 Mag would be another option, with the S&W being the 629 or similar.

markmc753
September 21, 2007, 08:25 AM
I would think that the Glock 22/Kel Tec Sub 2000 combo, with the mag interchangeability would be hard to beat. That said, still dont see the practical use in it. Would much rather have a long gun with an adequate rifle round

Sharps-shooter
September 21, 2007, 01:03 PM
I think I'll stick to owning a whole bunch of different guns.

Part of me wants to say, "BFR revolver and sharps rifle in 45-70"

The 1911 and tommy gun was a good answer, especially for gang work/urban warfare.

If it was really a survival type situation, practically speaking, i might go out on a limb and say a ruger 10/22 and a walther 22 caliber pistol.

MrPeter
September 21, 2007, 01:32 PM
Walther G22 and Walther P22.

Haven't shot a P22, but it uses the same mags as my G22, and boy do I love that gun!

Otherwise, I'd probably say some .40 cal (I like my CZ75B, but I was thinking about a Steyr M40) and that KelTec Sub2000. That would be a fun combo. Great portability too!

MrDig
September 21, 2007, 05:34 PM
But bears repeating, Ruger GP100 6 in and a Marlin 1894C .357 and tons o fun.
Next choice would be a Camp 45 and a 1911.
Too bad nobody makes a 9mm Carbine that takes BHP mags I would be set.

Officers'Wife
September 21, 2007, 05:45 PM
Hmmm, my personal favorite is a "92" Winchester carbine and a Colt "officers" model DA revolver both in 32-20. The rifle is large enough for deer yet would still leave enough rabbit. The sidearm- though I'm told over and over is far too underpowered would still give a BG something to consider if necessary.

Selena

worker
September 21, 2007, 10:20 PM
Kel-tec SUB2000 and Glock 22 share the same mags

Kel-tec has on their webside that a 9mm bullet coming
out of the Sub 2000 is equal to the .357 mag in energy
Therefore, I extrapolate that the .40 S&W bullet will
be even more.

So you have a combo of immensly reliable
semi-autos that can shoot well and use low capacity
or higher capacity mags

The combo if bought together from a good dealer
should be $800 (or less) out-the-door.

I guess if this combo is not 'acceptable' for some
reason the Taurus Revolver called Judge and in the similar
caliber Lever action is the next best thing (but I think
Keltec + G22 sharing the same mags is really the best
combo)

Tomac
September 22, 2007, 10:18 AM
Another vote for the 5.7x28 FN PS90/FN Five-seveN combo!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Tomac/Resizeof2007-08-20001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Tomac/ResizeofFN57w-X2LLaser-Light001.jpg
Tomac

Titan6
September 22, 2007, 10:50 AM
Clearly thelever action '92 in 45-70 with a derringer in the same caliber would offer some interesting possibilities.

BryanP
September 22, 2007, 10:57 AM
Already mentioned.....
But bears repeating, Ruger GP100 6 in and a Marlin 1894C .357 and tons o fun.

I have a similar combo. GP100 4" and 1894C. Great fun.

My Ruger 10/22 and 22/45 make a nice inexpensive-to-shoot combination as well.

Part of me hopes that Kel Tec will give in and put out a SUB2000 in .45ACP that uses XD45 mags. I'd buy that to go with my XD.

What? I can stop any time I want. :uhoh:

Rexster
September 22, 2007, 11:15 AM
A friend of mine gets a BIG velocity boost in his Marlin 1894 lever rifle, over a handgun, in .357 mag, load for load. I have a Mirokuchester in .45 Colt, to match my various sixgun in .45 Colt, but the rifle is still in its break-in and experimental stages with me, to make sure the bugs are worked out. I regularly carry .357 revolvers, so I may decide to trade the Mirokuchester for a Marlin 1894C, though I would rather shove larger .45 Colt cartridges through a stubborn loading gate than the smaller .357 cartridges; less likely to fumble. That being said, I would rather, at this point, have my .308 BLR or .223 Mini-14 with me than a pistol-cartridge lever rifle.

Rexster
September 22, 2007, 11:19 AM
As much as I like the idea of a Thompson, I would only want to lug that much weight around if it was a true subgun, not a semi-auto. I did like my Uzi Carbine back in the day; while a little heavy, it was compact with its folding stock, and that was before legal handgun CCW in Texas, so a handgun was not an option. I could carry it in a duffle bag, or slung under a jacket, legally most anywhere in Texas, where rifles and shotguns have long been legal for carry in public.

entropy
September 22, 2007, 02:01 PM
Too bad nobody makes a 9mm Carbine that takes BHP mags I would be set.


The SUB2000 used to be, not sure if it still is.

I wouldn't mind the .45 Camp Gun to go with my 1911.:)

Gaucho Gringo
September 22, 2007, 02:18 PM
I already have the combo in .22, my Heritage Rough Rider revolver and my Winchester 1906 pump action rifle. I have 1\2 the combo in .357, my Taurus Gaucho. Am still looking for a lever action rifle in .357 with a 24" barrel to complete that combo. Add in a decent shotgun of your choice and you are ready to go.

BryanP
September 22, 2007, 02:21 PM
AFAIK there has never been a SUB 2000 variant that used BHP mags. They make 9mm models that will use these mags:

Glock 17, Glock 19, S&W 59, Beretta 92, SIG 226

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