Predators deem seniors easy prey (poster)


Oleg Volk
May 6, 2004, 11:31 PM

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May 6, 2004, 11:45 PM
It's good, but as usual I think it's unnecessarily "in your face." By that I mean, why is the guy just standing around waiting for trouble with a gun in his hand? I'd like it more if the same guy were picking up his grandchild, with his daughter in the background at her home, and because he was bending over you could see a gun on his hip (or whatever).

My 2 cents.

Standing Wolf
May 7, 2004, 12:05 AM
It's a great photograph. I'd use "consider" instead of "deem." There's nothing wrong with "deem," but it's been on its way out of style quite awhile.

Old Fuff
May 7, 2004, 12:07 AM
The Old Fuff can relate to this one, and he likes it. It is absolutely true that punks prefer senior citizens because they are pretty sure they won’t meet any kind of serious resistance.

I recently had to renew my CCW, and along with myself found the class to be dominated by others who were on the far side of life - including two grandmothers. They, and the others all passed - including the shooting range part. It was very clear that none of them were going to be candidates for victimhood, and none of them was interested in supporting any anti-gun political hacks. The look on the gentleman's face says it all, and I see no reason to convey some kind of warm and fuzzy message.

Now maybe you need to stir the pot by doing one with a lady …

Oleg Volk
May 7, 2004, 12:25 AM
Got a few images of his wife with a BHP, so that's in the works.

R.H. Lee
May 7, 2004, 12:34 AM
I like it. How about another one of him holding a 1911 or Vaquero?

May 7, 2004, 12:34 AM
As always great work Oleg! Very nice photography. I do like SteelyDan's suggestion though. I get choked up every time I visit

Oleg Volk
May 7, 2004, 12:39 AM
I will make that version also: just don't have images for it yet.

M2 Carbine
May 7, 2004, 01:01 AM
Oleg Volk

Let me throw in this seniors story.

Right after Texas passed the CHL and before I got mine another pilot at work (Galveston) told me about his wife being at an armed robbery a few days before.

They lived near San Antonio (I believe).

The pilots wife (late 50's) was number three in line to pay for gas inside a quick stop.
In front of her was a Gray hair lady about early 60's.
In front was a young black guy.

The pilots wife said the young guy pulled a gun on the clerk.
It seemed he wasn't worried about the two old ladies behind him.
That shocked the pilot's wife but she said what surprised her more was when the second lady pulled a 38 and cocked it as she stuck it in the guy's ear.
And told him, "Please don't drop your gun. I've spent a lot of money so I can kill your ass."

She said the guy not only dropped his gun but he peed himself.:D

I told the pilot, I will bet money that does not make the news.

It didn't.
The only thing the news reported was anything that could be twisted to make the new carry law look bad.

May 7, 2004, 11:57 AM
"Crooks think seniors are easy targets."

I second the "flash" concept...

Gramps playing ball with a youngster, while mommy and daddy look on, and you see Gramps' holster.


May 7, 2004, 12:09 PM
She said the guy not only dropped his gun but he peed himself.

Hee, hee, hee!! Something like that would be worth paying to see!!:D

May 7, 2004, 12:09 PM
Good work Oleg!

El Tejon
May 7, 2004, 12:09 PM
Who's going to pick on a guy with a API/Gunsite mustache?:D

May 7, 2004, 12:10 PM
I like this one! Simple, direct, to the point.

Well done! :)

May 7, 2004, 12:26 PM
Great work as usual, Oleg!

May 7, 2004, 01:45 PM
Straight forward and easy on the eyes. Very nice. I like Standing Wolf's suggestion of using "consider" instead of "deem".

May 7, 2004, 02:50 PM
There's nothing wrong with "deem," but it's been on its way out of style quite awhile.It's what they call "purple prose".

Hmmm... "Ruffians regard the elderly as unproblematic quarry. Demonstrate their incorrectness!" Now that sounds a lot less plush, don't you think? :D

How about a senior citizen holding a cane like the one the alpha-Droog had in A Clockwork Orange? Surely that would put the scallywaggs in flight!

Dave R
May 7, 2004, 03:03 PM
Nice work. I like the confident expression on the model. I agree that a CCW-holster version would be good. It'll be a composition challenge to draw attention to a holster that is suppsed to be hidden, but is inadvertently revealed.

I can't wait to see his wife with a BHP!

Sean Smith
May 7, 2004, 03:06 PM
I think it is fine, actually. Nothing wrong with "deem," except that thugs are too stupid to "deem," that's why they are thugs. "Think" or even "Figure" makes more sense here I think.

Yes, it's a nit pick. So sue me. :D

On the other hand, I think the gun being openly visible is better than showing the man is bad at concealed carry (because you can see his gun).

Lady of the Lake
May 7, 2004, 03:19 PM
This is Oleg's photo and my words... maybe Steely Dan will like this one better!

May 7, 2004, 03:34 PM
from Webster's Online Dictionary:

Main Entry: deem
Pronunciation: 'dEm
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English demen, from Old English dEman; akin to Old High German tuomen to judge, Old English dOm doom
transitive senses : to come to think or judge : CONSIDER <deemed it wise to go slow>
intransitive senses : to have an opinion : BELIEVE

Nowhere, does it say that this term is obsolete. "deem" is properly used in the context. No problems there.

May 7, 2004, 03:45 PM
Great pic Oleg .. and the guy is an ideal model.

It would be good tho to see another version ..... maybe with a CCW emphasis .. such as the guy looking to camera, perhaps with an expression suggesting being under potential threat. (Slight frown, whatever)

He could then be moving a hand toward a carry piece .... just exposed as he moves aside his shirt/jacket .... it would be subtle ... showing the gun but at same time highlighting the concealment aspect.

All the better then to make the point for not just being armed but .... armed under concealment. Sorta ''keep the BG's guessing''! ''This senior is not for victimization''.

May 7, 2004, 03:55 PM
Good work.

That reminds me of something my dad told me. Just one of his usual tips on life in general.

He said: "Never make the mistake of thinking that an old fart won't kill you."


May 7, 2004, 03:55 PM
"don't call 911?" I don't think so, too "crazy gun nut."

I'd say, "Sure, Call 9-1-1, but until they arrive, defend yourself."


Standing Wolf
May 7, 2004, 06:15 PM
She said the guy not only dropped his gun but he peed himself.

I spent some months in my thirties working for a sheriff's department in the booking section. A surprisingly large number of criminals were brought in with wet trousers.

May 7, 2004, 06:30 PM
A surprisingly large number of criminals were brought in with wet trousers.A trite evolutionary adaptation. When in a terrible quandry, distract your threat with a flourish of ill-scented body wastes. Works every time.

Well, all right... mostly among lower life forms.

May 7, 2004, 06:38 PM
I like it !

Not always wise to discount Senior Citizens ;)

Discount: To leave out of account as being untrustworthy or exaggerated; disregard: discount a rumor.

May 7, 2004, 08:04 PM
Simple & to the point, Mikee likes. Target audience probably understands "deem" just fine.:cool:

May 8, 2004, 10:10 AM
I think the original poster ot PERFECT just the way it is.
Don't change a dang thing Oleg.

ps Oleg did you ever read the PM I sent you with a poster idea?

May 8, 2004, 10:42 AM
My 83 year old Step Father has a 20 year old Smith Model 10 with Silvertips in it. Home invasion types will get an unpleasant surprise in his house.:cool:

May 8, 2004, 02:10 PM
In your face huh SteelyDan? Ain't that what it's all about? You don't try to rod me and i won't shoot you. End of story.

May 9, 2004, 01:13 AM
Same couple, but underneath, it says:

Remember, Senior Citizens get a 10% discount on ammunition.


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