Celebrate the BATFE! Post A Picture...


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spin180
May 8, 2004, 08:52 AM
I was thinking last night. A proposition that sometimes that has terrible ramifications for those around me, but I digress. Thinking about all the wonderful things that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) represents. All of the grief and tribulation they cause us and some of the great things they offer, like the Curio & Relic License. I recalled how some folks say that A,T & F are the great things in life and decided that we should commemorate those items to which one government agency is committed to regulate.

With that I offer up the suggestion for us all to post a picture whatever combination of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives (A,T,F, & E) we can find laying around. Just a few guidelines, though. To keep on topic the picture must contain an ''F" and at least one other of "A, T, & E." Extra points for all four! And please be safe! Don't consume "A" while using "F" or "E". You may use "T".

;)

An now I humbly submit the following...

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berettaman
May 8, 2004, 09:08 AM
Retake that picture using the same contents but this time put them on a bureau!:evil:

El Tejon
May 8, 2004, 09:10 AM
Shouldn't that just be a pic of a bunch of different tax stamps?:)

spin180
May 8, 2004, 09:17 AM
Retake that picture using the same contents but this time put them on a bureau!

Touché!

:D

TechBrute
May 8, 2004, 09:43 AM
Shouldn't that just be a pic of a bunch of different tax stamps? :D You'd think, huh? Somewhere along the way, they became a paramilitary police organization instead of a revenue collection agency. I'm waiting for the IRS to start raiding people with ninja suits and full-auto MP5s next. :rolleyes:

In the immortal words of Dogbert: "I dream of a world where I can buy alcohol, tobacco, and firearms from the same place and use them all before I get home."

El Tejon
May 8, 2004, 09:55 AM
Tech, the IRS just sends me a bill.:D

Somewhere along the way was post-SSA of '68. IRS/ATU used to collect the gun taxes.

TechBrute
May 8, 2004, 09:58 AM
Yeah, LT, they probably know better than to raid your place. :D

El Tejon
May 8, 2004, 10:02 AM
Why would my very bestest of friends at the IRS or IDoR ever "raid" me, their friend and good cooperative citizen? Those poor underpaid, overworked fellows have far better things to do.

:D

Oleg Volk
May 8, 2004, 10:06 AM
http://www.olegvolk.net/gallery/albums/m1911/atf_kit.jpg

Denver
May 8, 2004, 10:25 AM
I know there was some shuffling recently, but IIRC, the BATFE was/is the enforcement branch of the IRS. How about them apples!

The "Revenuers" of the prohibition days now run amok.

MikeB
May 8, 2004, 10:29 AM
To do it right you've got to roll your own.


.

http://www.bowensguns.com/pics/atfpic.jpg

BeLikeTrey
May 8, 2004, 10:36 AM
think I missed the firearm LOL.

MikeB
May 8, 2004, 10:37 AM
That's covered; the powder, bullets, and reloading dies. Your right though I should have put one of the home built 1911's in there.

Erik Jensen
May 8, 2004, 02:00 PM
http://www.armyofjuan.us/photos/guns/ATF.jpg

Beretta 92F, Springfield GI .45, Camel Wides Filters, Chopin Vodka, and a WWII Parkerized Zippo. only the best. :neener:

(well, I guess the 1911 is lowend.. but, yanno)

Benjamin
May 8, 2004, 02:10 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=376595

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=376595

Moparmike
May 8, 2004, 05:09 PM
My photoshopping skillz need work, but here is my entry:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?postid=986780

The CS-Special says: Absolut Poser, "Moron" on the cig pack, and is a pic of a Desert Eagle.

The GI-Special: a pack of Lucky Strike's, a 1911, and a generic pack of beer. (You have no idea how hard it is to find an appropriate brand six-pack on google.)

The Concealment Special: Snubbie .38, soft pack of cigs, and a Camelback full of your favorite beverage.


BTW, there are NO real images of a full drive-through display on google images. I had to use this drawn one.:mad:

The_Antibubba
May 9, 2004, 01:18 AM
Spin180,

C'mon, admit it-you just pulled that photo from Sarah Brady's site about gun owners, didn't you?

4v50 Gary
May 9, 2004, 10:40 AM
spin180 - terrific idea. :)

spin180
May 9, 2004, 11:44 AM
These are great guys, keep them coming!

The drive-thru had me on the floor!

C'mon, admit it-you just pulled that photo from Sarah Brady's site about gun owners, didn't you?

Think like your enemy, isn't that what they say? I suppose the Rossi could be construed as a high-cap, cop-killing, bullet hose, assault revolver. I figured the Skoal was apropos, as many folks smoke, including old Sarah herself... at least she used to, but only a true rootin', tootin', backwoods bubba dips 'baccy, right? :D

Skunkabilly
May 9, 2004, 08:41 PM
I was thinkin' on doing the same but have yet to make it to Chinatown for firecrackers....

Dionysusigma
May 10, 2004, 02:07 AM
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=989436
Glenfiddich Special Reserve, Winchester 1911 SL, Peterson sterling silver & black churchwarden, Colibri PTR-8806, and a pouch of 35% Latakia, 40% Natural Cavendish, and 25% Red Virginia.

*sigh* Good taste is always in season. ;) :p

Now where'd I put that pic of my Jameson, SAR-1, the Zippo, and my Winstons? :D

Travis McGee
May 10, 2004, 03:18 AM
"Good taste is always in season."
I love it!

PromptCritical
May 10, 2004, 05:06 AM
These pretty much round it out

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=989557

Is this a Tactical Trinity?:neener:

Benjamin
May 10, 2004, 10:02 AM
Sorta washed out. Sorry.

Carbon_15
May 10, 2004, 10:42 AM
Ok

Eaker
May 10, 2004, 11:06 AM
You can tell by the date on the photo that this picture wasn't staged for the contest.

It is just the way my desk normally looks!

http://www.rightalk.com/freepnet/pictures/BATFEsm.jpg

Here is one of my daughter:

http://tomeaker.com/rangesa/re1sm.jpg

armoredman
May 10, 2004, 11:17 AM
Can I come to your next shoot? What a collection! BTW, nice to see another young shooter!
Sarah Brady is going to have a coronary if she sees these pics! Hmm, not a bad idea.....

Travis McGee
May 10, 2004, 11:52 AM
Eaker, that pic of your daugter is a MMM maas heart attack for sure!

spin180
May 10, 2004, 12:08 PM
Eaker,

The photo of your daughter would be most superlative captioned with the old gun grabber rallying cry of "It's for the Children!"

:evil:

DMF
May 10, 2004, 12:10 PM
I'm waiting for the IRS to start raiding people . . . The IRS has it's own investigative branch which does conduct searches, seizures and arrests, called IRS-CI (Criminal Investigations) whose Special Agents are GS-1811 criminal investigators. (GS-1811 is the federal job code for investigators, like FBI, ATF, DEA Special Agents, US Postal Inspectors, Some Deputy US Marshals, etc) They often go after violent criminals in organized crime, and many high level drug dealers. Often a part of criminal conspiracies the easiest way to make the case involves tax evasion and other financial crimes. It is not uncommon for IRS-CI Special Agents to serve high risk warrants, especially in connection with Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF) investigations.

DMF
May 10, 2004, 12:28 PM
Well there seems to be much disinformation about LE and especially fed LE among the gun boards. I'm new to THR, but have been around 1911forum, glocktalk, and sigforum for a while. Here is another example:
I know there was some shuffling recently, but IIRC, the BATFE was/is the enforcement branch of the IRS. How about them apples! and
Somewhere along the way, they became a paramilitary police organization instead of a revenue collection agency.Congress has always granted various agencies law enforcement powers, because they like the laws they pass to actually be followed, and if not the law breakers punished. So ATF, IRS-CI, USSS, ICE (formerly US Customs) and the 70+ other agencies that employ law enforcement officers at the federal level didn't just decide to start performing LE duties, they were given that mandate from Congress. Congress likes to spread around the responsibility, because it makes it easier for them to control what laws get enforement attention, by controlling budgets directly. ATF created as a separate agency from the IRS because Congress wanted to ensure that the various laws it tasked ATF to enforce would not play second fiddle to other laws the IRS had responsibility for enforcing.

Yes, ATF was a Treasury agency until it's recent move over to the Department of Justice last year. However, ATF and IRS-CI are two separate federal law enforcement agencies, and that was true even when ATF was under Treasury. Since ATF was created in 1972 it has been independent of the IRS, and never acted as the "enforcement branch" of the IRS. As I stated in my previous post IRS-CI (formerly IRS-CID) is the investigative/law enforcement division of the IRS.

Eaker
May 10, 2004, 11:20 PM
armoredman: Can I come to your next shoot? What a collection! BTW, nice to see another young shooter!

Yes, you are more than welcome!!! Wish that they were all mine and thanks, the 50 bmg and Sharpes 4570 are the only two that she wouldn’t shoot!!!

Here are some pages of past shoots:

Springfield Break (http://www.tomeaker.com/Pages/SB1M.htm)

San Antonio Shoot (http://www.tomeaker.com/SA06Sep03.htm)

Houston Shoot (http://www.tomeaker.com/Pages/Range.htm)



Travis McGee: Eaker, that pic of your daughter is a MMM mass heart attack for sure!

BONUS!!!!!!!!!!


spin180: The photo of your daughter would be most superlative captioned with the old gun grabber rallying cry of "It's for the Children!"

Excellent idea!!!!

Travis McGee
May 11, 2004, 02:16 AM
But can she field strip an AR-15 blindfolded?

S_O_Laban
May 11, 2004, 02:56 AM
Wow, that pic at the Houston shoot of the damaged hand and the one of the gun involved..... Oowwwch!!

priv8ter
May 11, 2004, 03:35 AM
I'm not sure if I feel worse for the M-1 or you. I guess at least you will heal. heck, you were able to keep shooting later on that day.

NIGHTWATCH
May 11, 2004, 05:19 AM
American Gestapo http://66.96.177.64/picture_hosting/web_pages/paternoster/AG.gif




Image created before the addition of "E" bureaucracy.

http://66.96.177.64/picture_hosting/web_pages/paternoster/atf.jpg

Eaker
May 11, 2004, 09:27 AM
The 13th round of factory Winchester ammo was the last round fired through that M1.

The destruction was total and we have determined that a factory defect was the cause. I really should have gone to the hospital right then but I wasn't in my right mind (as if that is ever the case).

The next day I noticed a lump on my chest next to a 1 cm cut that would not stop bleeding. I went to the doc for X-Rays and it seems that a 2 cm long piece of the shell rim had out run the gun butt and embedded itself in my chest then the stock rammed it into the breast bone. It had to be surgically removed.

I need to contact John Kerry and see if I deserve a Purple Heart, as I was injured for more severely than he was even combining his three injuries and neither of us was under enemy fire.

Eaker
May 11, 2004, 09:48 AM
http://tomeaker.com/AR15/R-AR15A.jpg

She can field strip it, but we haven't started practicing blind-folded yet!!!!

roo_ster
May 11, 2004, 12:02 PM
Tricked-out AR15: $2000
Woodland cammy BDUs: $40
Blue, fuzzy, monster-feet slippers: Pricele$$

*********************

A soda-spewing warning might have been appropriate...

*********************

Hey, my wife shoots while wearing her pink Texas A&M ball cap. It ain't blue, fuzzy slippers, but she's less likely to trip herslef during a course of fire.

DMF
May 11, 2004, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by NIGHTWATCH:
American Gestapo
Right, if you want to criticize and hate the ATF fine, but comparing those folks to the Gestapo is offensive.

Also, your little poster is a lie, because those people pictured there are NOT ATF agents. How can I tell? Much of the equipment pictured (especially the firearms, and ski masks) are incorrect for ATF SRT.

Eaker
May 11, 2004, 04:04 PM
jfruser: Tricked-out AR15: $2000
Woodland cammy BDUs: $40
Blue, fuzzy, monster-feet slippers: Pricele$$

*********************

A soda-spewing warning might have been appropriate...

*********************

Hey, my wife shoots while wearing her pink Texas A&M ball cap. It ain't blue, fuzzy slippers, but she's less likely to trip herslef during a course of fire.

LOL!!!!!!

DMF
May 11, 2004, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by NIGHTWATCH:
American Gestapo
Right, if you want to criticize and hate the ATF fine, but comparing those folks to the Gestapo is offensive. I've worked with them, and have friends that are in the ATF. They are LE professionals that put dangerous criminals in jail.

They are not a threat to freedom.

Here is an example of what the ATF does:

http://www.atf.gov/press/fy04press/field/051104dal_chemweapons.htm
"PRISON SENTENCE FOR POSSESSING CHEMICAL WEAPONS"

http://www.atf.gov/press/fy04press/field/043004bal_shah.pdf
ELLICOTT CITY MAN CONVICTED OF ARSON AND MONEY LAUNDERING

http://www.atf.gov/press/fy04press/field/042904phi_cocaine.htm
MEMBERS OF WEST PHILADELPHIA
COCAINE RING RECEIVE LIFE SENTENCES

http://www.atf.gov/press/fy04press/field/041504bos_warrengardens.pdf
TWENTY-FOUR DEFENDANTS CHARGED FEDERALLY AND STATE
WITH CRACK COCAINE DISTRIBUTION
IN WARREN GARDENS/COPELAND STREET AREA

http://www.atf.gov/press/fy04press/field/041504bal_clay.pdf
GRAND JURY INDICTS FORMER WASHINGTON REDSKIN
FOR MULTIPLE FRAUD SCHEMES, ARSON, AND MONEY LAUNDERING

http://www.atf.gov/press/fy03press/field/040203dal_fordgang.htm
SOUTHEAST DALLAS GANG MEMBERS ARRESTED -
ALL FACE LIFE IMPRISONMENT

I don't see any harrassing of law abiding citizens, but I do see professionals running good cases that lead to the prosecution and conviction of violent criminals.

spin180
May 11, 2004, 05:04 PM
Now chillun's, I know none a' yous wants a hickry' switch to the back of ya' legs...

Let's keep it civil. ;)

This thread is supposed to be fun.

:cool:

Mr. Clark
May 11, 2004, 06:01 PM
They are LE professionals that put dangerous criminals in jail.

They are not a threat to freedom.

I don't see any harrassing of law abiding citizens, but I do see professionals running good cases that lead to the prosecution and conviction of violent criminals.

See...

This is what we need around here: more people with a sense of humor.

ATF Abuses (http://www.elfie.org/~croaker/batfabus.html)

pax
May 11, 2004, 06:22 PM
DMF,

If you would like to start a fresh thread in the Legal & Political forum to discuss the BATFE, go ahead. Don't hijack this one.

Thanks.

More fun pictures, anyone?

pax

DMF
May 11, 2004, 09:00 PM
I didn't hijack anything I pointed out errors in what people were posting. I notice you didn't admonish others that didn't stick to the original theme of the thread. Makes me think you have a problem with my opinion, not the fact that it is slightly off topic.

Amish_Bill
May 11, 2004, 11:10 PM
Here's to more ATFE and less B!

http://crankylabs.com/albums/misc/IMG_0648s.sized.jpg

Amish_Bill
May 11, 2004, 11:47 PM
I hope you'll excuse me if the hat doesn't look quite right... I've made the mistake of wearing it out to the range, and a few other select areas... ;-)

(Never {Ever!} wear any bit of white when you'll be out sweating in red clay...)

http://crankylabs.com/albums/misc/IMG_0663s.sized.jpg

Amish_Bill
May 12, 2004, 12:28 AM
And one more variant for good measure....

http://crankylabs.com/albums/misc/IMG_0666s.sized.jpg

"I dream of a world where I can get Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms at the same driveup window and use all three on the drive home." -Dogbert

Saint Dogbert has nothing up on us. YeHaw!

Ian
May 12, 2004, 11:50 AM
No alcohol, but there was tobacco, and a good number of firearms...

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=994923

spin180
May 12, 2004, 04:54 PM
Here's another...

Cheap vodka, cheap cee-gars, and cheap gun.


http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=995766

Spare me the comments about the Sigma, I've heard them all. :p But, in case you wonder, it shoots great and has had nary a problem. ;)

Azrael256
May 12, 2004, 05:16 PM
Wow, Dionysusigma, Glennfiddich... somebody you know must have excellent taste!

iamkris
May 12, 2004, 05:48 PM
This thread reminds me of a good Dr. Strangelove movie line

Survival kit contents check In them you'll find: one 45 caliber automatic, two boxes of ammunition, four days concentrated emergency rations, one drug issue containing antibiotics, morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills, one miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible, one hundred dollars in rubles, one hundred in gold, nine packs of chewing gum, one issue of prophylactics, three lipsticks, three pairs of nylon stockings. Shoot! A fella could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff. Slim Pickens.... Dr. Strangelove

:D

Dionysusigma
May 12, 2004, 07:08 PM
Wow, Dionysusigma, Glennfiddich... somebody you know must have excellent taste!
Indeed... same person got me into guns and pipes. ;)

Too bad they dislike Lagavulin, the Nectar of the Gods. :neener: :rolleyes:

jamz
May 12, 2004, 07:47 PM
Can I just say that I REALLY admire your pipe and blend? :)

USMC - Retired
October 25, 2007, 05:05 PM
Practicing my "Thread Necromancer" skills....

Actually just wanted to show off my new 1911... http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/MorePower_KA/ATFPoster2.jpg

Seancass
October 25, 2007, 06:03 PM
wow, a solid 3 year old zombie thread. thats got to be the oldest i've ever seen. i couldnt figure out why so many pictures were not working, then i looked at the dates.

i am currently trying to convince my parents to expand a small cigar store to include the A and F.

TexasRifleman
October 25, 2007, 06:31 PM
Dang, talk about raising from the dead, sheesh.....

I have a couple of new ones since then.

http://homepage.mac.com/jayc67/atf.jpg

Cougfan2
October 25, 2007, 06:48 PM
Texasrifleman I knew you were a man of refined tastes!:D

Mahnmut
October 25, 2007, 07:04 PM
Since 2003 the BATFE has been attached to the department of justice thanks to the wonderful people in the Department of Homeland Security.

It's in the federal regulations book they send you for your FFL or C&R renewals.

No more making fun of them for just being overzealous tax agents

The Wiry Irishman
October 25, 2007, 07:34 PM
I don't drink, but I had to steal something out of my girlfriend's freezer just for this. Alongside my Kimber are a random bottle of Grey Goose and one of my many homemade hookahs, this one made from several Hookah-Hookah brand shisha (hookah tobacco) containers, which I have dubbed the Hookah-Hookah Hookah.

Bazooka Joe71
October 25, 2007, 07:44 PM
USMC - Retired,

Um, that might be my most favorite poster/quote ever...I hope you don't mind me stealing that quote and turning it into a real poster for my house.:)

USMC - Retired
October 25, 2007, 08:04 PM
USMC - Retired,

Um, that might be my most favorite poster/quote ever...I hope you don't mind me stealing that quote and turning it into a real poster for my house.

Go right ahead but in all honesty I did not come up with that line. I really don't know who said it first but it's been around for a few years now...

bigghoss
October 25, 2007, 08:34 PM
well I don't have any alcohol, tobacco or bureau. I gots alotta guns though!

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