CNN AWB ban poll (we're losing bad) GO VOTE!!


May 9, 2004, 11:10 PM

We gotta hammer this poll quick!!

Go to the bottom right side of page for the poll.

(I saw another thread in L&P but I thought this was important in the short term)

Somebody post this over at I'm not a member over there and it won't let me post for 48hrs.

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Andrew Rothman
May 9, 2004, 11:12 PM
We're losing -- 80% to 20%. GBet crackin', High Roaders!

Chip Dixon
May 9, 2004, 11:17 PM
Do you actually think CNN would allow a poll on their site to show anything but an overwhelming vote for extension? They even have a link to the Million Mom March right there next to the results.

CNN Lies. I've even seen bumper stickers that say that.

May 9, 2004, 11:18 PM
I saw it at sigforum. Vote and pass it on to any other boards that do not have a link up yet.

May 9, 2004, 11:19 PM
We're still losing 80-20. Hit it, folks!

Lifted 20% 2182 votes
Extended 80% 8549 votes

May 9, 2004, 11:21 PM
Hmmm...still 80-20.

May 9, 2004, 11:32 PM
On CNN... lower right hand corner... we're taking a bad beating right now....

May 9, 2004, 11:37 PM
I voted.......wish there was a place to post comments though, I wonder how many of the people who voted "extend" are ignorant as to what AWB actually bans

May 9, 2004, 11:38 PM
Well, I voted for freedom, tho I'm convinced that, if the "poll" goes the "wrong" way, it will get adjusted...:rolleyes: Damn scant honesty in CNN. Zipzeronada for ethics...:cuss:


May 9, 2004, 11:38 PM
Check out the link at the bottom of the results for rival groups argueing the ban. It has a single paragraph stating that there was a pro-gun rally near the white house and nothing more. I'll go back to Fox now.

May 9, 2004, 11:39 PM
Well, I see someone has moved this to General :)

May 9, 2004, 11:43 PM
Wherever it gets the most exposure is good by me....

May 9, 2004, 11:49 PM
Even if its a double or triple post.:evil:

4v50 Gary
May 10, 2004, 12:49 AM
We're losing guys. 23% for lifting and 77% for extending.

BTW, CNN threads merged.

May 10, 2004, 02:06 AM
I voted but it looks like we won't likely turn this one:

Lifted 24% 7384 votes

Extended 76% 22875 votes

Yup, we are behind by over 15,000 votes. Too bad you can't win them all, but it isn't good to lose this badly on one that will likely be broadcast worldwide.


May 10, 2004, 02:43 AM
I can't vote for some reason. I think it is because the last time I updated internet explorer was.... ummm.... never. Dial up sucks.

Someone should post this over on they have a lot of people that don't sleep.

Travis McGee
May 10, 2004, 03:00 AM
"Extend the AWB" is crushing us with 75% or 25K votes.

Oleg Volk
May 10, 2004, 05:29 AM
And the results of that vote mean precisely nothing...

Missouri Mule
May 10, 2004, 05:45 AM
You wouldn't really be surprised if this poll was rigged against us now would you?

May 10, 2004, 06:45 AM
On MSNBC this morning it was reported that about 2000 people were at the MMM rally while there were several hundred who were pro gun rights. That's about as fair as we'll probably see.

May 10, 2004, 08:17 AM
Just voted,still losing 24% to 76%

May 10, 2004, 10:17 AM

May 10, 2004, 10:36 AM
Interesting. Less than a couple hours after bpisler's note of a 24% to 76% separation, I'm looking at it and it's suddenly a 22% to 78% difference. That's a lot of votes that had to come in in the last hour to change a poll with this many votes that much.

May 10, 2004, 10:43 AM
Still 22% to 78%

May 10, 2004, 11:26 AM
The poll is fixed. It isn't counting lifted votes. I checked the # of votes before voting and they were the same after voting. I deleted my index.dat files and went back and tried again. Still didn't change. Deleted index.dat files again and voted to continue the ban. Guess what? It counted my vote. What a bunch of turds.

Oh. If you don't want to have hidden CNN cookies on you machine gathering God knows what information, don't forget to delete those index.dat files after leaving there slimy site.

Click here to learn what index.dat files are (

Click here to view the hidden cookies and stuff on your machine. (

Click here to learn how to get rid of them. (,24330,3668551,00.html)

May 10, 2004, 12:19 PM
So I found another machine at work and tested it there. I pulled up the numbers and it showed 35,668 vs. 128,957 votes. So I clicked my vote and it revealed the updated numbers: 36,076 vs. 130,622. In the time it took me to change pages and vote, supposedly 2,073 people voted. But waiting a few minutes and rechecking, the numbers hadn't moved.

I find it amazing that over 2,000 other people decided to vote EXACTLY when I did, then they all took a break.

May 10, 2004, 12:33 PM
Yep. It's rigged alright.

May 10, 2004, 12:36 PM
Should the federal ban on assault weapons be...

Lifted 22% 37895 votes

Extended 78% 137667 votes

May 10, 2004, 01:51 PM
It's still 22/78.

Maybe it's just updating every ten minutes or something, so your votes are being queued. It isn't necessarily rigged. It's certainly depressing, either way. I did my part, and can do no more.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't have seen that poll if not for THR. I'm pretty sure that there are far larger groups that vote against us. I've visited their forums, and they make ballot-stuffing a hobby. Also, they tend to be far less articulate than most of the posters on (at that time) TFL, and now THR. It makes me despair for democracy. Sometimes those aristocratic feelings well up, and I think that come people just shouldn't be allowed to vote. But I don't have a better system lined up, so I'll keep my trap shut.

Guy B. Meredith
May 10, 2004, 02:17 PM

I'm with you. Now the yo-yos (Peralta--Mr. AntiFirearms himself) in California are considering a 14 year old vote. Nothing like having Pavlovian consumers supporting your cause.

My brother is convinced that 90% some of the population is basically low on the intelligence scale. My term is 'monkeys in suits'--dress them up any way but they are still monkeys. Sometimes an elite intelligencia sounds attractive, but that has its downside as well. Read the story "Marching Morons" and others by the same SF author (whose name I have forgotten).

4v50 Gary
May 10, 2004, 03:04 PM
Poll is closed. I don't see the results (and too lazy to look) and I think we got whupped.

May 10, 2004, 03:58 PM
Now we're polling on whether the torture photos should all be released. Rats.

So, what do you think? I don't think the pictures should be withheld, but neither do I think they should be plastered all over every newspaper and television in the world. And you know that's what CNN wants to do with them. :rolleyes:

May 10, 2004, 04:08 PM
It still open, Look under US NEWS for story on the march its still there as of 4PM

May 10, 2004, 04:18 PM
pole is gone now, interesting.

It would surprise me if this were NOT rigged....

May 10, 2004, 04:27 PM
4:30Pm still there, under US NEWS...South....Rival rallies argue gun laws

May 10, 2004, 04:41 PM
Did anybody notice how the article refered to the AWB as a ban on "assault rifles" and that they talk about how the possibility of a gun being converted from semi-auto to full-auto made the "sniper" shootings in the DC area possible?:barf:

May 10, 2004, 06:46 PM
...when the site owners care for them to be.

Yes, I have inside information. No, there's not much else I can say. Sorry.

What is more interesting is that they've selected this topic for rigging, and tends to be confirmatory of bias.

May 10, 2004, 07:37 PM
Those results are not too far off other polls I have seen, and I am afraid might not be as rigged as you think.

I am afraid we are in a minority whether we want to be or not.

May 10, 2004, 07:57 PM
Well at least we're an armed minority.

It's still 23% to 77% as of 5:54 PM Mountain time.

Here's the link to where I found it.

May 10, 2004, 08:57 PM
Gaining ground., 24% to 76%

May 11, 2004, 12:43 AM
I just voted and it is still 24% to 76%.

Night Guy
May 11, 2004, 12:47 AM

What a bunch of nonsense.

May 11, 2004, 07:21 AM
Honestly, is anyone really suprised? I know gun owners who are convinced the AWB outlaws machine guns. Let's face it, if you passed a law that made it a crime to serve your child Cheerios for breakfast and called it the "Child Abuse Prevention Act", 70% of the public would be in favor of renewing it without ever getting past the title.

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