Why are MOST guns in California more expensive than anywhere else?


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BigBlueEyedDevil
May 10, 2004, 10:00 PM
I am fairly new to the gun world and have made these few observations:

An SKS in California is 250-500.
An SKS out of California is 120-200.

My Springfield Champion was 930 out the door.
Anywhere else, 700 or so.

Why are things so much more expensive? I will soon be moving to Arizona or Nevada. Will I experience much lower prices there? Tyler

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Mulliga
May 10, 2004, 10:04 PM
Cost of living is definitely a factor - see the other big California threads for detailed discussion :). The gun store owner in other parts of the country may have to pay less for everything else, so he/she puts less of a markup on the guns.

SKS rifles may be in greater demand because of the lack of ARs and AKs. Just as I suspect M1As sell better in Cali. than anywhere else.

Gary H
May 10, 2004, 10:07 PM
Those of us in California are happy to pay more for everything. Our gasoline is the highest in the continental U.S. and we are all smiles. Our state is in a financial mess and we keep voting for the same offenders. We are all on anti-depressants and nothing can bother us.

rayra
May 10, 2004, 10:09 PM
Our state is in a financial mess and we keep voting for the same offenders. I'm sure Gray Davis will be surprised to hear that.

R.H. Lee
May 10, 2004, 10:27 PM
High prices keep out the riff-raff :neener:

EghtySx
May 10, 2004, 10:44 PM
You couldn't pay or threaten me enough to live in **********stan...

...No offense :D

BigBlueEyedDevil
May 10, 2004, 10:47 PM
EghtySx...I fully agree with you. But I went into college not that much into guns. Now that I am, I hate California. But I also hate California on other levels as well. No that I'm looking at grad schools, I can move to and live in a "free" state. Tyler

Standing Wolf
May 10, 2004, 10:50 PM
Supply and demand—and taxes, too, of course.

4v50 Gary
May 10, 2004, 10:59 PM
Why, so there's more sales tax to help prop up our failing government.

BTW, the Gubernator is doing a better job than Gray Davis.

4570Rick
May 10, 2004, 11:04 PM
In a word...SACRAMENTO.:cuss:

Gary H
May 10, 2004, 11:06 PM
rayra:

You are right. That should have been in future tense.

JOE MACK
May 11, 2004, 12:18 AM
I don't know about the used ones, but the new handguns are probably higher due to the extortion scam the DOJ has going with the "safety" tests. The cost may be passed onto the consumer somewhat at either the manufacturer or distributor level. :banghead:

4570Rick
May 11, 2004, 12:28 AM
I don't know about the used ones, but the new handguns are probably higher due to the extortion scam the DOJ has going with the "safety" tests.

Why, so there's more sales tax to help prop up our failing government.

Our state is in a financial mess and we keep voting for the same offenders.

SACRAMENTO

Gunsnrovers
May 11, 2004, 12:37 AM
Prices here in the PRK on new hand guns is pretty much in line with the rest of the country. Some shops are high. Others are right in line with most other places. Spent the weekend in Phoenix visiting my folks and the prices at the three shops I visited were in line with what I can get here. I've picked up pistols at prices at or sometimes even below what folks pay outside the PRK. You just need to be a smart consumer.

Where we DO get shafted is on used/PPT handguns. Because the older handguns aren't drop test approved, the sale can only be done face to face or consignment. The dealers take advantage of this and prices on consignment guns can be out of control. Some shops flat out refuse to do PPT's. Others charge as high as $80!

Overall, it sucks buying guns here, but it's not the end of the world (yet). Just bought a new CZ75 Tactical today for $399. Picked up a new Browning Hi-Power last year for $589. While not screaming deals, I'll put them up as on par with most other states.

Jeff

Jim March
May 11, 2004, 12:44 AM
The gunshops have been driven to the wall financially by a whole slew of bad laws.

The "junk handguns" thing killing used business hurt a lot. The increased liability from the "safety certificate" was very bad...gun dealers "approve" people who are now declared "safe gun handlers" and get a "buyer's card" to that effect...but if somebody blows their pinkie toe off re-holstering there's no liability barrier to the gun shop or clerk who "approved' them.

:barf:

I could go on for miles.

Boats
May 11, 2004, 12:55 AM
California. . .?

Fallujah. . .?

California. . .?

Mozambique. . .?

California. . .?

The Lake of Fire. . ?

Wow, California would lose to all three in my book.:D

Treylis
May 11, 2004, 01:00 AM
Spent the weekend in Phoenix visiting my folks and the prices at the three shops I visited were in line with what I can get here.

Which shops? There are a few around here that are unreasonably expensive, you might have hit them.

Black Majik
May 11, 2004, 02:33 AM
Here's the prices I saw today for a SA M1A Standard. $1359. ***... why soo damn expensive!

The M1A Loaded was $1500! :uhoh:

Walk in shop, fondle, walk out shop pissed because of price. :(

Gunsnrovers
May 11, 2004, 08:28 AM
Went to Machine Gun Kelly's, AZ Sportsman on Camelback, Legendary Guns, and a 4th I can't remember. Some prices high, some low. I just don't think it's out of control. Of course if you're willing/able to drive to Prescott, you have J&G sales which has some very good pricing depending on what you want.

It also depends on the model you're looking at. I've seen great deals on lever guns here and basic shotguns, but the 1st post about M1A's is right. Prices are very high.

I'd love to vote with my feet and head East, but my wife says no.

Jeff

Kodiak AK
May 11, 2004, 08:36 AM
Gary H We are all on anti-depressants and nothing can bother us.

:D

EOD Guy
May 11, 2004, 09:21 AM
Where we DO get shafted is on used/PPT handguns. Because the older handguns aren't drop test approved, the sale can only be done face to face or consignment. The dealers take advantage of this and prices on consignment guns can be out of control. Some shops flat out refuse to do PPT's. Others charge as high as $80!

Any dealers that do that are violatuing the law. Dealers are required by law to do private party transfers. The only exceptions are dealers that do not sell handguns. They do not have to do handgun transfers, but must still do rifles and shotguns.

Also, the fees that they can charge are set by law. Here is an excerpt from the California DOJ website:

Firearms dealers are required to process private party transfers upon request. Firearms dealers may charge a fee not to exceed $10 per firearm for conducting a private party transfer. Example:
a. For a private party transfer involving one or more handguns, the total allowable fees, including the DROS, safety, and dealer transfer fees, are not to exceed $30.00 for the first handgun and $26.00 for each additional handgun involved in the same transaction
b. For private party transfers involving one or more long guns, or a private party transfer involving one handgun and one or more long guns, the total allowable fees, including the DROS, safety, and dealer transfer fees, are not to exceed $30.00. The dealer may charge an additional dealer-service fee of $10.00 per each additional firearm transferred.


(PC section 12072(d))

Gunsnrovers
May 11, 2004, 07:52 PM
You're correct and I mistated myself. What I am seeing are dealers charging ENORMOUS handling fees to bring in purchases from out of state. Often as high as 10% of the purchase price on top of transfer fees and DROS.

Red Star Militaria wanted to charge $80 including DROS if I ordered a gun from an out of state dealer (one they did not stock normally). M B Retting flat out refuses to special order.

Most shops I run into here charge the maximum for PPT's.

Jeff

EOD Guy
May 11, 2004, 08:18 PM
You're right about the out of state transfer fees. The sky is the limit on what dealers can charge and most seem to be reaching for the sky.

jimbo
May 11, 2004, 08:26 PM
Things cost more for 3 reasons:

1. Higher costs. Gun dealers in California pay much higher rent per square foot of floor space in downtown Los Angeles than in Gallup, New Mexico. Also, the number and amount of fees are higher in California than in most anywhere else, and the dealers aren't going to eat those costs. They will pass them on to the consumers.

2. Higher taxes. Out the door, we pay 10% sales tax on every purchase. That Kimber 84M you buy for $900 in Medford Oregon costs me $990 for the exact same gun!

3. Higher income. People make lots more dollars in many California cities than in the outskirts of Alabama, Wyoming or Kansas. Cost of living eats it up but you still have more people with more dollars chasing the same number of goods. The gun dealers in California know you can just plain afford more than someone in Hinton West Virginia and so they price accordingly. Even the internet doesn't help because you can pay $550 for the Glock 30 at their store, or you can order that Glock from Hinton for $500 and pay the $50 transfer fee that Cali dealer is going to charge you to take possession.

My goal is to retire anywhere but here! Until then, I'll have to pay the piper. Long guns only, though. I won't buy another handgun in this godforsaken state as I REFUSE to bow down to the latest draconian laws and get a handguns safety certificate. in a sense, they won because they have forced me not to buy any more handguns. But then, it was a no win situation: either I lose the ability to buy more handguns or I grovel kissing the ring on the Emperor's pinkie.:fire:

Lord I hate California. Can't wait to leave.

odysseus
May 11, 2004, 08:32 PM
"as I REFUSE to bow down to the latest draconian laws and get a handguns safety certificate."

I understand and concur with you on the stupidity of Cali's law regarding these certificates - but why would you let a simple and very easy test be what prevents you from buying another handgun? The cert is cheap and takes like 10 minutes to take... If that's all that is preventing you, you are playing into those legistalture's hands that created it in hopes you wouldn't take it. Am I missing something?

ocabj
May 11, 2004, 08:33 PM
Here's the prices I saw today for a SA M1A Standard. $1359. ***... why soo damn expensive!

The M1A Loaded was $1500!

Walk in shop, fondle, walk out shop pissed because of price.

MSRP for the Standard and Loaded are $1486-1586 and $1639-$1830, respectively.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-m1a-stan.shtml
http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-loaded.shtml

I don't know what it's like everywhere else.

Gunsnrovers
May 11, 2004, 09:43 PM
I bought more then a few handguns before the end of 2002 because I originally refused to buy anything under the new law.

The more I thought about it, the more I realized that that's exactly what they want. Yesterday I went out and bought a CZ 75. Turners had them for $399 (not a bad price for any part of the US). Now that I have the safety card, I'm going to buy more guns this year. Piss on the state. Bullseye Sporting Goods in Long Beach always has some nice consignment handguns. PPT's don't fall under the "1 gun a month".:neener:

Jeff

Pilgrim
May 12, 2004, 11:02 AM
I left the PDRK the end of March. I don't expect to go back except to visit some family for the Christmas holiday.

Pilgrim

jimbo
May 12, 2004, 10:09 PM
odysseus,

The process to get a HSC is a simple one and not particularly expensive. I simply made a political decision not to comply with the creeping socialism toward total gun control occuring in California under the Davis administration.

The BFSC was supposed to be for life. They lied. I don't mind the safety test -- that's a good thing. But now you have to have a renewable HSC for a modest fee. It expires every few years. In a short while, the fee will no longer be so modest, and will rise incrementally until it becomes draconian.

You have to give your fingerprints as if you are a criminal. You can only buy one handgun per month. Soon you will need a license to buy handguns such as has been imposed in other states, where you can only purchase so many handguns per license.

This wretched tyranny motivated me to drop out of the entire process. It is a no win situation. I had to choose either to lose the ability to purchase more handguns and support gun stores by doing so. Or lose additional rights and freedoms by allowing the State to treat me like a criminal who must be controlled and monitored.

So my support of local gun stores goes strictly to long guns rather than handguns. Since then I have bought a nice Remington Mountain rifle and a Sauer 202 in .243. The next on my list will be a Kimber 84 in 7mm-08 or .260.

I will not ever again buy another handgun while subject to the Imperial Socialist Dictatorship of Californias handgun laws. Period.:fire:

The State of California is an evil entity. I'll be leaving when I reasonably can and take my tax dollars with me. I can't wait.:neener:

rayra
May 13, 2004, 01:11 AM
The dealers take advantage of this and prices on consignment guns can be out of control. Some shops flat out refuse to do PPT's. Others charge as high as $80! I am almost CERTAIN that there is specific CA state law that says they CANNOT refuse to conduct a PPT, AND that sets a reasonable price limitation.
I'll see if I can find it (again).

rayra
May 13, 2004, 01:18 AM
Here. Straight from the horse's mouth -


http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/dlrfaqs.htm#18

18. What fees can I charge for handling a Private Party Transfer (PPT)?
If the transaction is a PPT, you are restricted to charging no more than $20.00 in State fees described and $10.00 per firearm for conducting the PPT. For example:
a. For a PPT involving one or more handguns, the total allowable fees are $30.00 for the first handgun, and $26 for each subsequent handgun.
b. For PPTs involving one or more long guns, the State fees are limited to $20.00 for the whole transaction plus $10.00 dealer fee per firearm transferred.

(PC section 12082)


and from the same Dealer FAQ page -

40. May I charge sales tax on the DROS fees?
No. On January 1, 1999, the state Board of Equalization ruled that the DROS fees are not subject to retail sales tax. Firearms dealers licensed pursuant to Penal Code section 12071 shall not charge sales tax on the DROS fees. Questions regarding firearms transfer fees can be directed to the DOJ through this website or by calling (916) 263-4887. Questions regarding sales tax can be made to the California Board of Equalization at its website www.boe.ca.gov.


I might be mistaken, but it sure reads to me like a cap of $30 - anyone getting charged $80 is getting ROBBED.

sm
May 13, 2004, 01:58 AM
Why are MOST guns in California more expensive...

I just figured it was payola for them to drop your gun to see if it could be sold in CA to generate more payola...

I could be wrong tho' :)

I was also told Politicans have deeper pockets that require more money to keep them filled so they look good on TV. Is this true? :p

Valkman
May 13, 2004, 02:16 AM
In my experience guns weren't more expensive in Northern CA, especially if you waited for sales. I bought my Norinco 1911 for $299 and my SA Mil-Spec for $399 last July. There's alot of gun shops in the Sacramento area plus gun shows to go to, so maybe that's why.

Edited to add: Thank GOD I don't live there anymore! 48 years was enough, and now I get to experience walking into a gunshop and actually leaving with a gun right then! :)

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