Old remington .22 -- what's it worth?


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sidekick
May 11, 2004, 08:34 PM
I have a remington .22, and I would like to know what it's worth.

It's a pump action .22, holds 15 shots, 14 in the magazine and 1 in the chamber. Long and short rifle.

On the top of the barrel it says:

REMINGTON ARMS COMPANY. ILION.N.Y USA PENDERSON'S PATENTS JAN'Y 5, 1909 OTHER PATENTS PENDING

On the underside, in front of the trigger it says:
R.W.
87770

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sidekick
May 11, 2004, 08:38 PM
I'll post a pic if someone tells me how.
Otherwise I'll just describe as much as necessary. I shoot the gun fairly often, and it is quite accurate.

I was thinking about refinishing the stock and pump handle, but i wasn't sure if that would detract from it's value, since it wouldn't be the original finish.

gamachinist
May 11, 2004, 10:32 PM
Hi sidekick,
It sounds like you have a Rem Model 12.
If the bolt is flat on the back (more or less),then it's a model 12.
If the bolt has a round "tail" on the back,it's a model 121.
Hope this helps,Robert.

P95Carry
May 11, 2004, 10:51 PM
Sidekick .. welcome to THR . :)

Go to top of page on the right ... click on ''Library'' ... and then look upper right .... FAQ stuff .... ''Image Matters'' ... a mini site of mine that attempts to help folk with image taking, useage etc ... and if you explore the menu .... you'll find advice on how to post images here .. do go take a peek.

Hope it might help.

re the rifle .. sounds to me like don't change anything about it .. probably an interesting earlier model and best kept original. A pic tho (or two) would sure help. PM me if you need further help re pic posting.

No clue as to value yet ... but it might interest you to know that the pic below ... which is of a Mauser Oberndorfe (Circa 1920) - is valued at near a grand .. mine is not quite pristine but ... sure is worth a few bucks! But I wouldn't sell!!


http://www.bedford.net/design/cb_gun2/obendorfe_s.jpg

sidekick
May 12, 2004, 09:34 AM
thanks for the replies y'all. I'll post a few pics so you can see it and tell me what u think.

Coltdriver
May 12, 2004, 09:43 AM
I have one of those. Yours appears to be the same as mine.

It is a model 12C. They are worth anywhere from $100 to $300 for a perfect one. Nothing particularly rare about them. Mine was passed down from Grandfather to Father to me. So its value to me is priceless. It is the first rifle I got to shoot unsupervised when I was a kid.

I took mine apart and thoroughly cleaned it. I only use it to shoot an occasional short bullet.

sidekick
May 12, 2004, 03:30 PM
Thanks for the info colt.

So seeing that it's not worth all that much it probably wouldn't matter if i refinish the stock and pump, right?
I might also steel wool the metal a little 'cause it's getting a tad of surface rust on it, will this ruin the bluing. Heck I don't even know if it has bluing to ruin.

Also, I took it apart the other day to see if I could get the wood parts off to refinish them, and I had a problem. The stock didn't look like it wanted to be parted with the metal that is attatched to it.
And the pump thing didn't seem to wanna come off either. Maybe I don't know what I'm doing (good chance of that), but I seem to be doing it wrong.

sidekick
May 12, 2004, 03:48 PM
This is where i have the problem. I can't get the stock separated from the trigger mechanism and whatever goes with it. For all I know it's not supposed to come apart, but it seems like it should.

sidekick
May 12, 2004, 04:03 PM
This is where i have the problem. I can't get the stock separated from the trigger mechanism and whatever goes with it. For all I know it's not supposed to come apart, but it seems like it should.

P95Carry
May 12, 2004, 05:48 PM
I tried to download that pic but it's a tad huge and stalled part ways thru!

Anyways . guessing here ... very likely you'll have to remove butt plate and then use a special tool to remove a nut or split screw idea. That would alow the removal of butt from action. Probably a long stud or a long bolt.

Take a look and see ... should be possible to fabricate the tool needed.

sidekick
May 12, 2004, 08:45 PM
Your a genius carry! Well compared to me anyway. Suddenly the compliment loses it's value.

Anyway, you were right about the bolt from the stock. I'll get back to you on refinishing.

sidekick
May 12, 2004, 09:27 PM
Ok I'm back, and I have time to write more now.

I found a screw driver long enough to reach the bolt head from the stock butt, so I successfully separated the stock from the other part.

I still can't figure out how to get the pump grip off. It's attatched to the magazine tube with screws, but even when the screws are removed it won't come off, and there doesn't seem to be a way to slide the magazine tube out completely either. I'll hafta look at that some more and see if I can figure it out.

I'd like to refinish the stock and stuff, but I can't do anything until I get the pump handle off.

MaterDei
May 12, 2004, 09:40 PM
You're probably thinking... "Oh, good. Somebody else has replied with the answer to my problem!" Sorry to disappoint you but I'm not here to help you, I'm here to encourage you. :)

Personally, I don't know my rear end from a hole in the wall when it comes to firearms maintenance. However, since you are a new guy (welcome, btw) I just wanted to say that you've come to the right place and to assure you that somebody here will surely know exactly what you need. I've asked some pretty esoteric questions in my time here and have been amazed by the timely answers that I've received. You've already got P95Carry on the case and that is a very good start indeed.

Good Luck,

Michael

P95Carry
May 12, 2004, 10:03 PM
sidekick ......... I'm not familiar with this model so -- thinking generally again ... and hoping perhaps someone will drop by with definitive info for us. Also maybe .. do a search on this rifle ... just may be an exploded view -- somewhere.

Thinking tho of something like an 870 pump shottie ... the ''pump handle'' will generally have two long actuating pieces going back to the action breech area ... like a sorta strip of steel one each side.

Usually, these need to be disengaged from within the action ... I think you may have to take a closer look there perhaps. These pieces transmit the ''shucking'' action of the pump handle into operation of a feed mechanism . When pump is pulled back, a piece drops out the way and allows one round to come thru from tube mag ... then when pump handle moved fwd again . it raises said round into a position for bolt to pick it up and chamber it.

Anyways .. imagine you do have these side pieces .. and see what's there in the breech area .. each side.

sidekick
May 12, 2004, 10:09 PM
Thanks for the reply Materdei. I don't care if you came to answer my question or not, thanks for the encouragement!
I'm glad to hear that this is a good place too, I wasn't sure where I could find an answer for my strange questions, but it seems like this is the place.

sidekick
May 13, 2004, 12:45 PM
Well, after some close examination I finally figured out how to remove the pump handle. It wasn't that hard once I figured out how it worked.
The magazine tube inscrewed which allowed the handle to slide off.

I sanded and stained the stock and handle today, and I'll post a pic when they're varnished and dry, which should be today or tomorrow depending on how motivated I am.

thanks for the help y'all

Chipper
May 21, 2004, 09:44 PM
That looks like a Remington Model 12C with an octagon barrel @24". I'm unsure of the muzzle device. Try this link:
www.remington.com/aboutus/history/m12.htm

edited to add: In good original condition it's value appears to be in the $350 to $400 range. Based solely on that and how your picture appeared on my monitor I would say about $250 to $275 for your rifle in it's current condition. After refinishing you may get about $200 to $250. With that type and age of firearm the major value lies in it's collectability NOT in it's utility. generally for collectors refinishing diminishes the value of the firearm. Refinishing the wood, rebluing the metal, modifying the firearm with non-standard parts and accessories all serve to decrease value. As a shooter it may indeed be an excellent firearm and one you should be very proud of regardless of it's market value.


Chipper

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