Cowboy Bebop--Excellent gun toting anime


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Cosmoline
May 13, 2004, 03:51 PM
I'm not a big fan of anime (Japanese animation), but I've been very impressed with one effort called "Cowboy Bebop." It airs late night on the Cartoon network and is out on DVD. The firearms are very well detailed and you can even recognize Sigs and Glocks. The shootouts are often superlative, combining shooting with some great martial arts. And the characters are interesting. Worth a look for sure.

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Ol' Badger
May 13, 2004, 03:56 PM
They do put a lot of detail into the weapons I noticed. Also the females, which is nice too.
:D

Mulliga
May 13, 2004, 04:06 PM
Spike's Jericho 941 is pretty smegging cool. ;)

Andrew Wyatt
May 13, 2004, 04:20 PM
the BHP shown in one of the episodes is the purtiest gun ever.

Devonai
May 13, 2004, 04:33 PM
Welcome to the fold.

Tom Servo
May 13, 2004, 05:27 PM
Faye shoots a Glock 30, IIRC. Great series. The end is a real heart-breaker, and even though it's not what you wanted, when you see it, you know that it's the only way things could have turned out. I always loved Jet's character.

junyo
May 13, 2004, 05:40 PM
You want anime with guns, you can't go wrong with Trigun.
http://www.animearchive.com/Vash07.jpg

extremefishin00
May 13, 2004, 05:41 PM
Cowboy Bebop was a great series. Great characters and just the right amount of action, sci-fi and drama. I also think the characters practiced proper gun handling skills as well, if I remember right.

Another one that's worth checking out is the Gunsmith Cats movie. Great CZ action.

Chris

jpthegeek
May 13, 2004, 05:52 PM
Check out Gunsmith Cats. One DVD, 3 or 4 episodes set in chicago.

Rally carries a CZ and you can even see the serial number on it. The best detail in Anime that I have ever seen.

Dorrin79
May 13, 2004, 06:11 PM
Cowboy Bebop is great - of all the anime's I've seen, it's the only one that really sticks with you.

Great story, interesting characters, gorgeous art, and very little of the 'weirdness' that pervades a lot of anime.

Neat guns, too; at one point there was a website that identified all of the guns used in the series.

The movie, available on DVD, is also excellent (it takes place between episodes 21 and 22, if I recall correctly)

Justin
May 13, 2004, 06:25 PM
I've been catching episodes of Cowboy Bebop here and there and have been rather impressed with both the detail of the drawings and the handling of the characters.

IIRC, in one episode Spike is trapped in a weightless environment without a way to move, so he draws his pistol and fires a couple of shots to push him in the right direction. I thought that was a particularly inspired bit of gunplay.

Nightcrawler
May 13, 2004, 07:00 PM
You could say I'm something of a Cowboy Bebop fan. I mean, I own the entire series on DVD (in the limited edition boxed set), four of the soundtrack CDs, and the movie. :D

The space physics are pretty good for science fiction. I mean, pretty durn good. You see a lot of newtonian physics in the series. They do take some license (for instance, I think the rotating section on the Bebop would probably have to be going at 6-8 rpm to simulate 1G; such a rotation would turn the ship into a vomitorium; and, somehow Mars and all of the Moons of Jupiter and Saturn have 1G of gravity, but I digress...), but all in all it's one of the best animes ever.

For the movie, they really did their homework biology wise, too, regarding the lymphicites (sp?).

I highly recommend it to anyone interested in either anime or firearms. You don't even have to be an anime fan to like the movie; it's that well done. :D

Oh, my favorite gun in the series? Jet's old partner carries a S&W Model 29, in .44 Mag. It's blued and appears to have a 5" or 6" barrel. Hands down, coolest gun in the show, and one of only two DA revolvers to appear in the series/movie. (Two SAAs make an appearance in one episode as well, as do the prop guns used by the hosts of Big Shots).

God, I'm a geek. LOL

Kamicosmos
May 13, 2004, 07:22 PM
Cowboy Bebop is great.

Another vote for Gunsmith Cats. The mangas are even better of course for the detail. Battle Angel Alita, both anime and manga is a good series too.

hksw
May 13, 2004, 07:22 PM
They do put a lot of detail into the weapons I noticed. Also the females, which is nice too.

The main reasons I'm a big fan of them. The other is that some of them are more for thinkers and not just all flash. Plus, the animation is much better than anything produced in the US/Europe.

Dorrin79
May 13, 2004, 07:36 PM
Nightcrawler -

One of my thoughts was that maybe Mars etc. do have lower gravity, which is how Spike was able to survive some of the rather long falls he takes at times (Episode 5, for example)

I mean, Mars gravity is like 80% of Earth, so it's not as though people would be hopping all over the place.

Or maybe I'm just a big geek, too... :D

PaladinVC
May 13, 2004, 07:36 PM
I've been catching it on Adult Swim off and on, and I've seen probably 23 of the episodes, but al lout of order, due to my irregular watching pattern. I wish I had just rented the DVDs and watched them in sequence, because the story is really quite good when you can follow it. I saw the last episode about four times before I actually saw the one before it, which confused the devil out of me for months. :confused:

Poseidon (www.poseidon.co.jp) has a little body kit (http://www.poseidon.co.jp/3F/jer/jer1.html) that will make your Jericho look like Spike's. It's basically a custom grip, but it's neat to know that people make that sort of thing. Cute. Too bad it can't be imported. :(

Nightcrawler
May 13, 2004, 08:35 PM
I mean, Mars gravity is like 80% of Earth, so it's not as though people would be hopping all over the place.

Mars' gravity is roughly 1/3rd of Earth's. (Earth's is about 9.8 meters per second squared).

Ganymede's gravity is 1.42 m/s squared. Europa's gravity is roughly 13% of Earth's. Callisto's is 1.42 m/s squared.

You'd notice the difference, I think, walking around in 13% of Earth's gravity. But that's okay, it's artistic license for the sake of the show. We just pretend that Mars, Titan, Ganymede, Callisto, Io, and others mentioned in the show are roughly the same size as earth and could be terraformed to give habitable climates. Notice how they could get any setting they wanted? Mars is urban. Ganymede is covered in water. Io is desert, like the American Southwest or Mexico. Callisto is frozen. Titan is a desert, like the Saraha.

I really like how they had O'Neil cylinder type habitats in the show, too.

Devonai
May 13, 2004, 08:38 PM
Other than those already mentioned, the Walther P99, H&K USP, Beretta 92 and the H&K MP5K are all featured prominently.

And as far as Faye is concerned, she was designed entirely around the idea of "fan service." What do you expect?

Misato Katsuragi was a much better female character, IMHO. ;)

GSB
May 13, 2004, 09:19 PM
Ah, Cowboy Bebop. First and only anime series that I went and bought on DVD (the whole thing in one fell swoop from Amazon). Loved the film-noir, pulp fiction homage. Phenomenal jazz/blues music.

Great characters. Great atmosphere and mood. Some uneven episodes, but that's not surprising. Even thought the ending was perfect for the series (although I won't spoil it here).

I'll probably get The Last Exile on DVD when it's fully released here in the states. Really like the visual imagination that went into that one.

Nightfall
May 13, 2004, 10:06 PM
Bebop has some excellent gun play... but Trigun has the biggest pro-gun message I've ever seen in anything animated. It's the episode with the gun smith and the town under attack by robbers, IIRC. You'll know it when you see it. :D

Nightcrawler
May 13, 2004, 10:30 PM
I so want Vash the Stampede's revolver, too. A big, super-strong break-top in .45 Colt that fires from the bottom chamber. Aww, yeah. :D

Wolfwood is cool, too in the same way Preacherman is. Something really kick-@$$ about pistol-packing men of God. :D

Hugo
May 13, 2004, 11:16 PM
Here's the list of Anime any firearms enthusiast should see.

Trigun - An old western anime? Yes and it's done very much in the spirit of John Wayne and Clint Eastwood. Very cool guns too. I also want Vash's revolver. One villan has a sniper rifle with a barrel that telescopes from about 10 ft long to basketball court length. Think it shot 20mm or so ammo. Fake as heck but makes you say "oh yeaahhhhh" when you see it. :) Coolest cross too.

Neon Genesis Evangelion - Hmmmmm. Kinda like Apocalypse Now meets the X Files with other cool shows and movies mixed in. TONS of info on internet. Definitely NOT for kids due to violence and deep subject matter but since most here are adults, borrow or rent this one on DVD for sure. Big warning on the movie for being extra violent but lots of detailed guns and weapons. Misato clearly knows how to handle her Sig Sauer.

Cowboy Bebop - Great series, great movie. Get the movie at least. Bad guy has a 1911 .45 ACP with 8 inch barrel at least. Who makes them that big in real life?

Hellsing - Vampire (like Blade but much cooler) working for great, great granddaughter of Van Hellsing killing other vampires with a very cool pistol
Uses a Semi-Auto .454 casull handgun with 12 inch barrel. Partner uses 30mm anti tank rifle. Gun Porn aplenty. And the coolest butler since Alfred.
Also definitely not for kids.


Any other anime I should see?

Nightcrawler
May 13, 2004, 11:33 PM
In the Cowboy Bebop movie, Vincent's pistol was definately a 1911 variant. But, given it's capacity, it definately wasn't normal.

I postulated that it was an STI or similar double-stack in 9mm, with an eighteen to twenty round magazine.

In the series and movie...

Jet, of course, had the Walther P99. Spike had a Jericho 941, though we also see him with a Beretta 92, and I think a Ruger P89 once too. Faye almost always carried her Glock 30, though she also packs an MP5K sometimes.

We see Spike use a 14" Mossberg cruiser once, but I don't think he ever used a rifle. (The MP5 in the bushel of roses was great, though.)

Vicious carries his sword mostly, though in flashbacks we see him with a Colt Mk. IV.

[/GEEK]

Ashendale
May 13, 2004, 11:36 PM
Been hooked on anime since Robotech was released here in the U.S. :)
Cowboy Bebop is pretty pro gun, but then so is most of Japanime, which is ironic considering their prohibitive gun laws. I agree. The ending is perfect.
BTW, anyone here ever watch anime movies at the Michigan Theater on East Liberty? That was great during undergrad. A whole auditorium full of geeks and gothics.
Ian

Kevlarman
May 14, 2004, 12:15 AM
Misato clearly knows how to handle her Sig Sauer.

Misato carries an HK USP. :D

http://img57.photobucket.com/albums/v173/Kevlarman/HK.jpg

http://nge.otaku.ru/pictures/misato/misato22.jpg

Hugo
May 14, 2004, 12:25 AM
Might have been a Sig Sauer in the movie. If not, whoops.
At least it's a good gun.

Benjamin
May 14, 2004, 12:59 AM
Respectfully, Nightcrawler, Spike never uses a Mossy. In Ep 25, it's an 870. Look at the carrier; also, the bolt appears rounded, as would fit with a Remington.

Also, I thought it was an 18" tube. Could be mistaken on that.

drannor
May 14, 2004, 01:20 AM
I don't think I've ever seen a pistol with rifling as pronounced as the ones in Bebop. :D My favorite gunplay scene is when Faye uses her glock to nice effect in the arcade on one of those shooting games. An evil thought that I must admit has crossed my mind.

I need to check out gusmith cats, have heard numerous postive comments.

Croyance
May 14, 2004, 03:55 AM
Don't forget the T/C in Sympathy for the Devil. I think that Spike is also seen with a Ruger as he arms up to meet Vicious in Ballad of Fallen Angels.
Unlike other anime, there is actually some good music in Cowboy Bebop. I like the atmosphere, kind of Sci-Fi Noir.

another48hrs
May 14, 2004, 03:55 AM
I too am a big fan of Cowboy Bebop. It is a great show that much like Kill Bill borrows imagery and stories from great movies of the 70's.

Jet, of course, had the Walther P99.
Don't forget he also has an Uzi, he never uses it in the show but he loses it to Faye.


Spike had a Jericho 941, though we also see him with a Beretta 92, and I think a Ruger P89 once too.
He uses a Thompson Encore or Contender in "Sympathy for the Devil"

In the Cowboy Bebop movie, Vincent's pistol was definately a 1911 variant. But, given it's capacity, it definately wasn't normal.
I personally believe it is Strayer Voigt, double stack, with a 6" barrel. Like this one.

http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=999390

SnWnMe
May 14, 2004, 05:57 AM
Gunsmith Cats is also tops for the guns and the Shelby Mustang

http://www.southbaybikes.com/animated_3.gif

http://www.southbaybikes.com/animated_2.gif

Dorrin79
May 14, 2004, 10:38 AM
Nightcrawler - Re: Gravity

Right - I'm an idiot.

I wonder what planetoid I was thinking of that has 4/5th Earth gravity?

At any rate, I agree that it was acceptable artistic license.

Sean Smith
May 14, 2004, 11:35 AM
I wonder what planetoid I was thinking of that has 4/5th Earth gravity?

Maybe Venus? Kind of hot there to go for a stroll, though. :D

Zundfolge
May 14, 2004, 12:36 PM
In addition to the great gunplay and such in Cowboy Bebop and Gunsmith Cats, they also have stories that a normal human can follow (unlike much of anime that is esoteric and bizarre just for the sake of being esoteric and bizarre ... maybe someday I'll understand Lain)

GSB
May 14, 2004, 02:07 PM
maybe someday I'll understand Lain

I hope you have better luck than I did with Boogiepop Phantom. :confused:

45R
May 14, 2004, 02:39 PM
I love Cowboy Bebop. One year during Spring Break I had a Cowboy Bebop marathon. Watched all 25 episodes :)

Deadman
May 16, 2004, 04:05 AM
Another anime title with modern guns that you might want to check out is Spriggan. From memory plenty of G3's, AK's and MP5's. Pity the story wasn't the best I've viewed.

another48hrs
May 16, 2004, 04:23 AM
As much as I like Cowboy Bebop I have to go and plug Lupin the 3rd. It's got some great oldy firearms in the show, I guess cause the show is pretty old itself. The lead character Lupin carries a Walther P38, Jigen carries a S&W m-19, Fujiko has a Luger P08, and Detective Zenigata has a 1911a1. Some submachine guns show up like Thompsons, Swedish Ks, and MP40s, but I was blown away when I watched the movie Lupin III: Castle of Cagliostro. Can you say "Lahti 20mm action!":D

You think Lain is hard to understand try watching Foory Coory or my favorite Aqua Teen Hunger Force.

Andrew Wyatt
May 17, 2004, 12:20 AM
ATHF isn't anime, though. It's williams street, which is a genre of its own.

another48hrs
May 17, 2004, 01:55 AM
I know its not anime, but still have no clue what that show is about, but still love it. Also there is an episode that shows a great lesson in remembering the 4 rules. Master Shake invades Carl's house and Carl busts out a shotgun to get Shake off his property. We later cut back to this scene with Carl on the floor with his foot nearly blown off telling himself "I thought it wasn't loaded."

Fatcat
May 17, 2004, 05:27 AM
Dang you guys, I wasted my whole weekend watching Cowboy Bebop. :p :D

It was the first anime I have really watched but I gotta say, it was really good. I'm watching the movie now... :D

And ATHF... man.. you gotta love it..

Kamicosmos
May 17, 2004, 12:04 PM
I just watched Jin-Roh last night.

Lots of MG42's and STG44's, broom handled Mausers, MP40s etc. In fact everything is German: cars, books, everything. And the suits that the soldiers where are very Stormtrooper-ish.

It begins and ends with some very intense and suspensful action scenes. Most of the story is dialog driven, and it is a bit long, but well worth it. The art and animation is excellent.

It's one of the few animes where the ending made me almost 'have something in my eye'... :)

Snark
May 17, 2004, 03:06 PM
I am not a huge fan of anime, but Cowboy Bebop is excellent. I also agree that the ending is one of the best I have ever seen for a series.

And Aqua Teen Hunger Force is hilarious
(not quite the same amount of gun play, though)

Nice to know others here have the same taste as me.

Frank Exchange Of Views
May 17, 2004, 06:57 PM
Not to "nit pick," but Jigen's rifle in "Castle of Cagliostro" is a Soviet 14.5mm PTRD.

As I recall, there have also been discussions among gunnie otaku (or at least quasi-gunnie otaku) whether Jigen's revolver is a Smith M27 or M19 - do not know, answer is probably in the original manga or maybe a movie or TV Roman Album somewhere.

Enjoyed "Jin-Roh" a great deal - an all time favorite "gun movie" for my wife and I. Story is very good as well - could almost have been a live action movie, except Oshii did two others along similar lines "Red Spectacles" and "Stray Dog" and they just did not rise to the level that the anime did.

I liked the "Gunsmith Cats" manga and anime way back when I could only get them in Japanese and then got fed up with them when I saw the Dark Horse translations - Rally is what, 18? Recently I decided to revisit them and "not take it too seriously" and discovered that I liked them again.

another48hrs
May 17, 2004, 09:16 PM
Frank Exchange Of Views, its been along time since I've seen Castle of Cagliostro, and now looking at the pictures on the internet it is not a Lahti. But its not PTRD its a PTRS.:p He fires semi-auto shots in the movie. Its good to know someone else watches Lupin the 3rd.

As for Jigen, I still think he carries a 4" 19, but it could also be a 5" 27, it all depends how big or how small the animator wants to draw the gun I suppose.

Frank Exchange Of Views
May 17, 2004, 11:08 PM
another48hrs


Arrrrrggggghhhh! You are, of course, correct - it just kills me that I mixed my Soviet anti-tank rifles that way.

Very true about the relative "perspective" in animating the guns though.

Yeah, I like ol' Lupin a lot though I will cheerfully admit that the Miyazaki "version" is pretty much my favorite take on Lupin and the rest of the gang.

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