Mickey Moore Got the Guns Out of Walmart?


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dinosaur
May 13, 2004, 06:56 PM
I'm watching John Gibson's show on FOX. He just interviewed movie critic Roger Friedman about Moore's new ahem, movie.:rolleyes: Friedman said Moore is really influential, after all he got the guns out of Walmart. Where was this? The local Wally World still sells rifles, shotguns and lots of that White Pack ammo. Guess they didn't get the word.:neener:

BTW, wasn't Mickey instrumental in K Mart's financial problems?:eek:

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Justin
May 13, 2004, 06:59 PM
Probably a screw-up on the part of whoever wrote the segment. Moore protested against ammo sales at K-Mart. He's tried to do the same to Wal*Mart, but thus far has been soundly ignored by Bentonville, and with good reason, I might add.

PaladinVC
May 13, 2004, 07:02 PM
In Bowling for Columbine, he takes a couple of kids from Columbine to the local K-Mart and attempts to "return" the bullets that are lodged in their bodies, which were apparently purchased there. I guess that's part of the reason they no longer carry handgun ammunition.

I don't know anything about Wal-Mart, though. I just picked up 300 rounds of 9mm there. I'm too poor to have scruples.

Treylis
May 13, 2004, 08:50 PM
Speaking of the K-Mart incident...

http://moorewatch.com/comments.php?id=P547_0_1_0_C

I am completely against him (Moore). He screwed me over," said Mark Taylor, who with Richard Castaldo was featured in the Kmart segment that resulted in the removal of bullets from the retailer's shelves nationwide.

"He completely used us to make a buck."

Taylor contends Moore wasn't upfront about his intentions when the three visited Kmart's headquarters in Troy, Mich. Taylor said he was led to believe the visit would involve a talk with the chairman about enforcing policies on selling ammunition to youth and improving gun safety.

Even with bullets still lodged in his body from the April 1999 shooting, Taylor remains supportive of gun ownership. Moore made it appear the opposite, Taylor said.

"I had no idea what Moore's agenda was. And he had an agenda. He had it all planned out, completely," Taylor said. "I believe that every American has the right to have a gun. We should have the right to protect ourselves."

SodiumBenzoate
May 13, 2004, 10:50 PM
My local Kmart still sells ammunition, albeit locked in a case.

I am pretty sure on that, anyway. That's where all the guns are, and I am 99% sure I also saw ammunition.

Treylis
May 13, 2004, 11:00 PM
My local Kmart still sells ammunition, albeit locked in a case.

I am pretty sure on that, anyway. That's where all the guns are, and I am 99% sure I also saw ammunition.

I think that Moore got them to stop selling handgun ammo, but rifle/shotgun stuff is sold still. Do you know what kind it was?

Wedge
May 13, 2004, 11:00 PM
SodiumBenzoate, there is no handgun ammo in that case.

BluesBear
May 14, 2004, 09:37 AM
I haven't set foot in a K-Mart since Rosie O'Doughnut ambushed Tom Selleck. They can all be carried off by tornados for all I care.

c_yeager
May 14, 2004, 10:00 AM
My local K-Mart sells pistol and rifle ammo. It is a rather small selection though. But, i like their dynapoint .22lr ammo.

DigMe
May 14, 2004, 10:27 AM
Our local K-Mart went out of business last year. I'm pretty sure they didn't have any ammo before that occurred. I did get an excellent deal on a fire extinguisher though. :)

brad cook

sturmruger
May 14, 2004, 11:44 AM
I buy all of my pistol ammo at Walmart. They still sell guns and ammo. I have heard of Walmart Stores that do not sell guns or ammo. USually they are in an urban area where politics forces them to not sell those kinds of items.

Kamicosmos
May 14, 2004, 01:34 PM
All the Walmarts around here still carry rifles, shotguns, and ammo. Paintball guns too.

They stopped selling handguns way back, late 70-early 80's. I remember seeing handguns in WalMarts as a little kid...

zpo
May 14, 2004, 03:46 PM
Most of Walmarts operate off of "modulars". These are determined by Bentonville, and consider things like population, location, (urban, rural) and location (geographical) to determine which modulars a store gets to use. The Owasso supercenter where I used to work could not get some things that regular Walmarts in Tulsa (10-20 mins away, depending on which one you go to)

bobs1066
May 14, 2004, 04:11 PM
Back in the good old days (1973), I bought a LW Commander in .38 Super at a WalMart. IIRC, it cost less than $150. Still have it.:D

killermarmot
May 14, 2004, 04:27 PM
That's interesting, I had no idea that that kid felt that way. It looked like he was being used the way he was being dragged around like that but ddin't realize he was that strong about it. Any source on that quote? Someone oughta put him BACK in a film to speak out on that con artist

Kooter
May 14, 2004, 08:33 PM
They stopped selling handguns way back, late 70-early 80's. I remember seeing handguns in WalMarts as a little kid...

walmart stopped selling guns about 4-5 years ago. except the alaska stores which do still sell handguns. they haven't had any handguns IN the stores in quite awhile. but they were sold out of the special order book up until about 4 years ago.

i bought a ruger 22/45, and a beretta 92 from wally world the year i turned 21. i got an additional 10% off of each cause i worked there:D

Kodiak AK
May 14, 2004, 08:47 PM
Do you mean IN the store in the Lower 48 ? Or do you mean you can get them from the book up here? Our Local Wally World has a old roll mark 1991A1,A few Glocks , some Sigmas and variouse Tarus and S&W .44's

Kooter
May 14, 2004, 09:39 PM
in the lower 48 we don't have them at all, not even in the special order book. i wasn't sure if the alaska stores had them in the stores or if it was just special order. i thought they had them in the stores up there, but wasn't sure.

MeekandMild
May 14, 2004, 11:21 PM
Was it Mikie or Rosie that got KMart to stop ammo sales a couple of months before they filed for bankruptcy? I remember boycotting them over their Rosie scandel but must confess that MM has passed entirely under my radar most of his life. For all I know he could be floating in my toilet bowl right now and I wouldn't notice him. :rolleyes:

jAK-47
May 15, 2004, 12:33 AM
I rented Bowling for Columbine just out of curiosity, thinking I would probably shut it off before the end due to nausea. Guess what? I was pleasantly surprised OVERALL. Yeah, he played on the strings going to K-Mart and the scene at the bank was really stupid.

BUT, if you are able to remain calm and think about what the CENTRAL message is in the film, it is that the MEDIA is the problem in this country! Moore compares our TV news to other countries (Canada) and how we have the "if it bleeds, it leads" mentality.

The movie really zings Charlton Heston but that's easy when you corner an old man with Altzheimers. Anyone who objectively looks at the movie catches that Canada has more guns per capita than we do but they don't shoot each other with them. I expected the movie to bash guns and our rights to own them but I didn't get that message at all.

I actually think the movie helped us! It wasn't at all what I expected. Moore strongly suggested that access to guns is too easy BUT, whether he intended to or not, he ended up saying that PEOPLE kill people, not guns.

Just my take,
jAK-47

Geech
May 15, 2004, 12:43 AM
Anyone who objectively looks at the movie catches that Canada has more guns per capita than we do but they don't shoot each other with them.

That's not true. (http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0%2C5478%2C6724813%255E401%2C00.html)

7.62FullMetalJacket
May 15, 2004, 01:41 AM
The Small Arms Survey 2003 by the Graduate Institute of International Studies in Geneva found an estimated 238 million to 276 million private firearms in the United States, or roughly 83 to 96 guns per 100 people.

Woo Hoo. We are the best. I must be 100 people :what:

goon
May 15, 2004, 02:10 AM
THE United States is the most heavily-armed nation on Earth, with nearly one gun per person, according to a study released today at a UN conference on small arms.

That sort of brings a tear to my eye...

zpo
May 15, 2004, 04:27 AM
No handguns in lower 48 walmarts. Alaska's got'em, though I don't remember if its in store or book only( I would put money on book only)

Delmar
May 15, 2004, 05:48 AM
For all I know he could be floating in my toilet bowl

For shame, MeekandMild! Your momma taught you to flush.

Probably leaves the seat up too:D

BluesBear
May 15, 2004, 08:28 AM
zpo wagered;
Alaska's got'em, though I don't remember if its in store or book only( I would put money on book only)
even though Kodiak AK (who lives in Alaska) had previously stated;
Our Local Wally World has a old roll mark 1991A1,A few Glocks , some Sigmas and variouse Tarus and S&W .44's

Looks like zpo loses the his money.
Just remember the house cut is 15%.
Will that be cash, charge or Pay-Pal?

:neener:

jAK-47
May 15, 2004, 09:59 AM
That's not true.

I remember rewinding the movie when MM said it to make sure I heard it right. Geez, I wonder what he meant by "Canadiens have more guns per capita than the US". This doesn't make sense because he's stating something that is NOT true and it WEAKENS his own movie.

Maybe MM is losing it... Anyway, my take on the movie was that overall, it WEAKENED the gun-grabber position or at least it didn't really strengthen it like I thought. I was prepared to throw my TV out the window when I rented the movie and was pleasantly surprised.

Thanks for the correction,
jAK-47

Mr. Clark
May 15, 2004, 05:13 PM
In comparison, there were 84 million firearms in the 15 countries of the European Union, 80 per cent in private hands.

Citizens of most European countries are more heavily armed than they realize, with an average of 17.4 guns per 100 people in the 15 EU countries alone," said Aaron Karp, a co-author of the study.
It seems to me that they are treating the EU as one country for the purposes of this study. Probably in an effort to use the lower average rate of firearm ownership to make America the most armed nation on earth.

The EU contains the United Kingdom, Ireland, etc., with bans on firearms and/or heavy gun control and countries like the Czech Republic that is more pro-individual ownership of arms (pretty good idea after that whole Russia thing). Switzerland is not a member of the EU, but last I checked still one of the nations of earth. We have more firearms than Switzerland?

I would love it if it were true. Maybe the study itself can back that up and it's just the story that uses the EU as the comparison. But it sounds to me like another skewed study from the UN Conference on Small Arms. Didn't they call for worldwide gun control a few years ago? They are probably trying to make US politicians feel guilty about that horrible statistic so they will do something about it.

I say we do our best to make that one firearm per person by December 2005.

Mark13
May 15, 2004, 08:29 PM
I have several Wal-marts in my area. Some carry longarms/ammo, some don't. I think it depends of how well they expect a product to sell. I've noticed that if you know something about guns they don't let you work in the gun section.

Geech
May 15, 2004, 09:21 PM
Anyway, my take on the movie was that overall, it WEAKENED the gun-grabber position or at least it didn't really strengthen it like I thought. I was prepared to throw my TV out the window when I rented the movie and was pleasantly surprised.

In general, I would agree with you. However, every time the discussion of firearms comes up, it seems like that movie gets mentioned. Even though the conclusions Moore drew from it aren't anti-gun, he went to great lengths to portray the gun rights movement and its leaders as racist and extremists so it has the same effect. If you haven't seen it yet, there's a very detailed dissection of the film at http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html . It's a little disorganized and some of the criticisms seem very... speculative, but it's probably the best one I've seen.

One more FYI regarding Canada vs US that Hardy didn't exploit: the comparison is not all that compelling to begin with. According to Interpol in 2001, the most recent year for which data are available, Canada's homicide rate was 4.10 while the US rate was 5.61, hardly a huge discrepency. The rate of all tracked crimes in Canada was 8,572.50 and less than half of that, 4,160.51, in the US.

jAK-47
May 15, 2004, 10:05 PM
According to Interpol in 2001, the most recent year for which data are available, Canada's homicide rate was 4.10 while the US rate was 5.61, hardly a huge discrepency.

Are those homicides exclusively by gun?

Thanks,
jAK-47

Geech
May 15, 2004, 10:15 PM
No, those are overall homicide rates. I'm not sure what Canada's firearms homicide rates are, but the US its about two-thirds of the total.

jAK-47
May 15, 2004, 10:46 PM
the comparison is not all that compelling to begin with.
No, those are overall homicide rates.

If you aren't comparing apples to apples, it MAY be possible that the comparison IS compelliing. I'd have to know how many homicides in the US vs. Canada were exclusively committed by gun. If a lot of Canada's jealous husbands are throwing their wive's out the window, it really skews the "study" if 2/3rds of America's homicides are done with a gun.

I think that the reason I'm not as critical of Moore's movie as I probably should be is that I was SOOOOO ready for a much more vehement attack on US. The Columbine scene and the interview with Heston and the bank's rifle give-away were pretty tame/lame. The main thing I came away with was that our MEDIA causes the violent tendencies in our society and, because guns are so readily available, that's what we choose to use.

Think about this - if those Columbine kids had exploded a bomb next to the propane tanks or if they had stolen a bus and driven it through the parking lot as the students were being dismissed, the body count would be much higher. The kids were "nuts" BUT they chose guns because the MEDIA told them guns are evil, people are afraid of them, and you LOOK COOL when you use them to murder fellow humans.

Just my 2 cents,
jAK-47

zpo
May 15, 2004, 10:46 PM
Blues- I check off the email notices- it skips straight to the last message, so I didn't see that.
And paypal has some anti gun policies, so it'll be cash. I'm surprised they get to have pistols in store. When I worked at the Supercenter in Owasso, (north of Tulsa,OK) Bentonville was a big pain in the butt. They cut off special ordering of ammo, (5000 a month from local cops right there) we had to order bows from Tulsa and Bartlesville walmarts because our mods didn't carry bows,(brilliant "regional planning" or whatever) and anything else to hurt sales and give customers and us headaches. Its to bad, really, my manager(11yrs and she knows what she is doing) hated giving up pistol sales(it directly hurt bonuses) and they were pretty competitive with local retailers.

Geech
May 15, 2004, 10:59 PM
Let's remember the point Moore is trying to make with the Canada-US comparison. As you yourself pointed out earlier in the thread, it's not the guns that are the issue, it's the fact that America is supposedly more violent. Because the issue is violence in general and the cultural problems that supposedly cause us to be violent, it doesn't matter how many of those homicides were comitted with firearms.

As far as media causing violence, look back at Moore's thesis. He states that media reporting of violence increased 600% even while violence actually decreased, and used this as proof of a "culture of fear." But, and I'm borrowing the point from Hardy, when you flip that around, you see that violence actually declined when the media sharply increased their reports of violence. I don't actually believe that the media caused violence to decrease, but clearly the increase in reporting and the resulting "fear" didn't make us more violent.

jAK-47
May 15, 2004, 11:39 PM
it doesn't matter how many of those homicides were comitted with firearms.

In comparing two separate societies, it does matter if you're debating how the availability of guns affects the homicide rate. Since the U.S. has more guns per capita than Canada and Canada has a similar homicide rate, can one conclude that our societies are similarly prone to violence and a person who wants to murder someone won't be stifled because a gun isn't handy? Could be! If so, it would be another argument against the gun-grabbers! I know that the families of the 3,000+ victims of 9/11 probably wish the terrorists had used guns. Two big buildings, four planes and about 2,900 people would still exist today! OK, that's a stretch but...

I'm not sure you can prove that the reporting of graphic violence doesn't result in increased violence. What other factors influenced the decrease in violence during the period when reporting of violence increased? Maybe a lot of states passed CCW! It's been proven that crime acutally goes down in places where citizens can legally carry. When they grabbed the guns in Australia, violent crime SURGED!

Moore separated our news from our TV shows/movies because he was trying to say that AMERICAN news contributed to our violent tendencies. Since Canadiens have the same video games, TV shows and movies that we do, Moore was saying the only difference was that a MUCH higher percentage of our nightly news centers on the reporting of graphic violence. I think he even compared the divorce rates of the two countries to rule out kids being "neglected" by one parent upbringing. Certainly, he did NOT prove this point satisfactorily.

I think there is way too much violence on TV and other forms of entertainment and I do believe it contributes to violence in our society. Moore's claim that our nightly news makes us murderers is certainly unscientific. I DO know that I tend to drive faster after I've seen a James Bond film!:what:

It's a good debate and I've learned a lot. If I sound like I'm defending Michael Moore, I think it's time for me to go to bed:D Despite what you may think of Moore, he usually has a method of blending cynicism/sarcasm with 1/2 baked truths to make his side of the argument APPEAR to be infallible. He CERTAINLY did NOT do that in Columbine and, as a gun owner, I am SO glad he didn't.

Thanks,
jAK-47

Geech
May 15, 2004, 11:41 PM
Since the U.S. has more guns per capita than Canada and Canada has a similar homicide rate, can one conclude that our societies are similarly prone to violence and a person who wants to murder someone won't be stifled because a gun isn't handy? Could be! If so, it would be another argument against the gun-grabbers!

We can both agree on that! This has been a good debate. Cheers!

Kodiak AK
May 16, 2004, 12:49 AM
Don't sweat it ZPO. The down side is we do not get white box . :(

zpo
May 16, 2004, 01:46 AM
Thats a bummer. I just found out I get the 40 rd(small box) Winchester .223 ammo made in Isreal to U.S. mil-spec, and is better than the Winchester 40 rd(big box) .223 U.S. made ammo. That was the bright point in my day Friday. Yay me. Oh, it was 7.93 for my ammo and 11.90 somthing for the made in usa ammo, shipping makes it cheaper? huh.

Kodiak AK
May 16, 2004, 01:54 AM
That bites . The cheepest ammo in town is Wolf .
.223 and 7.62.39 are $3.99 a box. 9mm is $8.99, and .45 is $11.99.
Now if I don't want to shoot wolf , my next bet is Wallmart .
22. fed bulk 550rnds for $10.99
.223 Federal Ameican when they have it $6.08 when not the next best is UMC at $6.80.7.62x39mm is $12.
9mm Blazer at $14
.45 Federal AE at $17.

Prices for ammo here blow....

7.62FullMetalJacket
May 16, 2004, 01:57 AM
Kodiak,

How about bulk mail order? I am buying Wolf .223 for ~65/500, 7.62x39 for <$100/1000, 9mm is about $70/500 and .45 is $110/500.

Shipping is extra to AK, but they can fit alot in one box.

Kodiak AK
May 16, 2004, 02:09 AM
I've been looking into it . So far the best case price in town is Wolf at $119 for 500.


Now I need some numbers for weight . Everything I have looked at so far says I need to ship to Seatle to me in care of Sealand and have Sealand bring it up.I live on an island so I can't just have it trucked up. They charge by the pound and it works out to where if it is less than 250 lbs it is a waste of time . I've been runing numbers based on Ammomans site because at least I don't need to pay the shipping for the lower 48 . So far I have about three or four of us that talking about pooling our cash together and getting a few K of ammo that we all have guns for , but it keeps falling apart at the last min . I swear you guys are going to read about me some day in the paper . When I get the big score I am just going to fly down to the lower 48 and stay with my friend in Seattle long enough to get about 20 or 30 K of ammo and ship it up here myself .

7.62FullMetalJacket
May 16, 2004, 02:30 AM
That sounds like a tough nut to crack. If I was coming your way I would parachute some ammo in to you. :cool:

rayra
May 16, 2004, 03:56 AM
jAK-47

...The movie really zings Charlton Heston but that's easy when you corner an old man with Altzheimers. Anyone who objectively looks at the movie catches that Canada has more guns per capita than we do but they don't shoot each other with them. I expected the movie to bash guns and our rights to own them but I didn't get that message at all.
Better take a look at a couple of sites detailing the fraudulent noise Moore put in that film, particularly the heavy editing he did mixing more than one Heston speech to craft the propaganda piece he created -

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
http://www.revoketheoscar.com/

Whatever the message you got from his film, most of the Antis take it as a very strong condemnation of firearms ownership.

Kodiak AK
May 16, 2004, 04:14 AM
7.62. If you don't mind can you throw those cases on the scale when you get them next time . If I have numbers to crunch I can start kicking people in the butt and going "Ok here is the deal . Your cut of cost is this and you get this ."

sm
May 16, 2004, 04:24 AM
Mickey Moore Got the Guns Out of Walmart?
I don't recall the doors being that wide. :uhoh:

Granted I haven't been in a WM in a while...:D

Lessee, last ammo I think I boughtfrom WM...yeah here it is..."sticker" on the blue box of Fed shotgun shells says $1.99. The Fed slugs are marked $1.69. I think that location is now a parking lot for drug dealers...

jAK-47
May 16, 2004, 11:08 AM
Better take a look at a couple of sites detailing the fraudulent noise Moore put in that film, particularly the heavy editing he did mixing more than one Heston speech to craft the propaganda piece he created

Whatever the message you got from his film, most of the Antis take it as a very strong condemnation of firearms ownership.

rayra,

Thanks for those sites. Moore basically LIED in the movie and it STILL was not a strong condemnation of guns, IMHO. Have you seen the movie? I would think the antis would be VERY disappointed. But they are probably seeing what THEY WANT TO SEE - JUST LIKE MAYBE I DID!

Again, I think that because I expected Moore to make us all look like complete idiots AND to make it seem like you'd have to be nuts to own a gun AND guns are responsible for cancer, I was pleasantly surprised. One of my paying hobbies is writing material for comics and I KNOW I could have made a much stronger statement against guns than Moore did; and I LOVE guns!

I could sit through this film with any of my anti-gun friends and not cringe. I would feel very comfortable debating what Moore did/said. Moore is an easy person to dislike and blatantly lying and doctoring interviews to bolster his propaganda won't help him.

Thanks,
jAK-47

Zedicus
May 16, 2004, 11:23 AM
Blues Bear: I haven't set foot in a K-Mart since Rosie O'Doughnut ambushed Tom Selleck. They can all be carried off by tornados for all I care.

Incase anyone else like me had no idea what Blues was talking about like me, Go here: http://www.nrawinningteam.com/norosie.html

Even has a video clip file, but it dosn't appear to be working...:scrutiny:

BluesBear
May 16, 2004, 02:24 PM
Kodiak AK, you really do need to visit Seattle.
The last gunshow here one of the big ammo dealers had CCI Blazer 230 gr FMJ .45 for $7.75/50 tax included. Slightly cheaper by the case.
Ammo prices have been good here.

jAK-47
May 16, 2004, 02:43 PM
Rosie O'Doughnut ambushed Tom Selleck. They can all be carried off by tornados for all I care.

I don't think the tornado exists that could carry Rosie anywhere:neener:
Geez, they needed the Jaws Of Life just to get her to come out of the closet and tell everyone what they already knew!

The only thing she'd be useful for is gelatin tests. I'll buy the ammo!

I LITERALLY ran into her in Disney World and was so tempted to buy a Davy Crockett rifle and give it to her for her son!:p

Did you hear that K-Mart is carrying the new line of Orange Prison Jumpsuits with the Martha Stewart label? What do you call a person worth over a $billion who risks EVERYTHING to steal $39,000?
S-T-U-P-I-D! I'll bet Martha Stupid is anti-Gun, based on her demeanor and the creeps she associates with.:fire:

jAK-47
P.S. I know you meant tornadoes carrying off K-Marts but I couldn't resist!

rayra
May 16, 2004, 04:39 PM
jAK-47, I'm not disagreeing about how rational informed gun owners interpret his propaganda piece. I'm speaking of the uninformed preaching to the even more ignorant within the Anti crowd. For that, its target audience, 'Bowling for Lies' is an outstanding fear-reinforcing manipulation.

killermarmot
May 16, 2004, 05:29 PM
I think the thing is, Do I think this movie shouldn't have been made? no, should it never have been realeased? no, Moore has every right to make garbage like this and mirimax has every right to make money off of garbage like this. I just wish that it wouldn ot be classified as a documentary, because it is not. This is the kind of thing he has always been about, ambushing people then manipulating what they say later to make them seem heartless, cruel, foolish, or like saints depending on who they are. You also have to keep in mind we are criticaly anylzing this film. Most people walk out of there thinking "ya know he's right when he said 'should a country with this much anger be able to have so many guns?' and they take that home and when they see Ted kennedy's name, boxer, feinstein, and all the others names on the ballot they check that little box. And when my girlfirend saw it in davis afterwards her "friends" called her father a savage for being a hunter and all of us redneck old fashioned fools for owning guns. This is why I personally do not like films like this, they are rabal rousing incitful garbage and I've had to deal with my share of sh$t because of it. So while objectively I look at it and say "yeah, ya know, he really IS saying, don't blame guns, video games, music, etc. He doesn't have a cohesive message and backtracks by the end of the film. What it feels like to me is he makes it so every person seeing the film will say "yeah but that 17% in the middle I agreed with, the rest was crap, he sells more copies, and I get pissed off:D I think it's a shame he wound up like this because TV nation used to be a funny show (ofcourse I was 15 at the time)

jAK-47
May 16, 2004, 06:28 PM
http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/15916parentsAK.gif

The mother in the cartoon is leaving to go to her Million Mom March. Next week, it will be "Save the Salamander". Too bad she doesn't have time for her kid!:D

Here's another one I like

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/15916reality1.gif

Later,
jAK-47

7.62FullMetalJacket
May 16, 2004, 06:38 PM
;)

artherd
May 17, 2004, 01:37 AM
Funny thing is, I think Moore was on the right track at getting ahold of the PROBLEM, then got side-locked and decided the easiest thing to add to sales was to advocate baning guns.

He didn't finish the job he set out to do, which was really "Hey, if you want to blame guns for Columbine, you might just as easily blame BOWLING!"

He should have ended with a shrilling inditment of the parents, but instead he went to k-mart HQ and made an ass of himself and those two kids (who clearly to me didn't know what was going on.)

The liberal idoits who comprise most of the citizenry didn't even get that far, and just say 'ugh, gun, bad! DEY TOOK OUR JOB, DEEEER!'

I really liked one quote.
"What do you use for Home Defense?"
"M-16."

jAK-47
May 17, 2004, 07:07 AM
He should have ended with a shrilling inditment of the parents

My cartoon above took care of THAT!:D

jAK-47

DigMe
May 17, 2004, 04:00 PM
Oops...deleted post...my oversight.

brad cook

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