BOLO a shotgun made by (Brigham Young?) stolen/UT


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gunsmith
May 13, 2004, 10:48 PM
http://www.harktheherald.com/northcounty/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1081&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

Lehi Police Beat
Thursday, May 13, 2004 - 12:00 AM
North County Newspapers |
* Theft - A double barrelled shotgun, reported to have been made and owned by Brigham Young, was reported stolen from a residence. The gun had been in the family for the last 60-70 years. It was inside a case in the basement of the residence when stolen.Value of the gun is listed at $200,000.

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Dave R
May 13, 2004, 10:51 PM
Hmmph. If Porter Rockwell were still around, he would know how to handle this situation.

cdbeaver
May 13, 2004, 11:31 PM
Who is Porter Rockwell?

Norm357
May 13, 2004, 11:35 PM
Who is Porter Rockwell?




Mormon hitman.

JamisJockey
May 14, 2004, 12:14 AM
Who is Porter Rockwell? Mormon Hitman

You forgot:

Gunslinger
Whiskey drinker
Gambler
Orchestrator of the Mountain Meadows Massacre.


http://historytogo.utah.gov/mtmeadows.html

Logan5
May 14, 2004, 12:37 AM
Brigham Young built shotguns? I wonder how he found the time... Anyone know what kind it was, I mean technical specs/details? I assume some kind of double percussion or flintlock, but it sounds like a pretty fascinating historical piece.

ETA: "It was inside a case in the basement of the residence when stolen.Value of the gun is listed at $200,000."

Ok, I understand that it's sort of a religious relic, and maybe they wanted to show it off, but a case in the basement? I'd have it inside a big safe with a food chute in the side to feed the hungry panthera pardus I'd keep in there with it, and put the safe in an alarmed bunker full of trained grizzlies, surrounded by a regiment of ghurkas, and... well, you get the point.

Insurance scam?

sensei
May 14, 2004, 02:29 AM
Who is Porter Rockwell?



My Hero. :neener:

sensei

12 Volt Man
May 14, 2004, 11:45 AM
The shotgun sounds interesting. I would have loved to have seen it.


Here is some more info on Porter Rockwell.

ORRIN PORTER ROCKWELL

Orrin Porter Rockwell was a frontiersman, Utah pioneer and plainsman, and reputed Mormon "Destroying Angel." This controversial and colorful figure was characterized in newspapers and journals of his day as a notorious gunman and religious zealot. He was born in Belcher, Hampshire County, Massachusetts, in 1813 and was one of the early converts to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

As a settler in Jackson County, Missouri, in the mid-1830s, he was caught up in the so-called Mormon War of 1838, in which Missourians acting under an "extermination order" issued by Governor Lilburn W. Boggs drove the Mormons from the state. It was during this turbulent period that Rockwell became identified with the "Danites," a band of Mormon stalwarts who organized for the defense of fellow church members against their antagonists. In 1842 Rockwell was accused of the attempted assassination of Boggs, the man who had ordered the expulsion of the Mormons four years earlier. Boggs survived the shooting, and after months in Missouri jails Rockwell was freed when no indictment was brought against him. It was on his return to Nauvoo, Illinois, where the church had relocated, that Rockwell became the subject of an astonishing prophecy by Mormon leader Joseph Smith on Christmas day of 1843. Smith said that as long as Rockwell remained loyal and true to his faith, he need fear no enemy: "Cut not thy hair and no bullet or blade can harm thee!"

Joseph Smith's death at the hands of a mob at Carthage, Illinois, spurred a Mormon exodus from Nauvoo. It was during this time of upheaval that Rockwell shot and killed Frank A. Worrell, who was menacing Hancock County Sheriff Jacob Backenstos. Rockwell had been hastily deputized only moments before the shooting, a fact which made the incident no less sensational when it was learned that the dead man had been the militia lieutenant in charge of protecting Joseph Smith when the Mormon prophet was assassinated the year before.

The Mormons, now under the leadership of Brigham Young, crossed the plains to Great Salt Lake Valley in 1847. Rockwell was one of the territory's earliest lawmen--deputy marshal for the provisional state of Deseret in 1849. When President James Buchanan appointed Alfred Cumming to replace Brigham Young as Utah's governor in 1857 and ordered a large contingent of U.S. troops to escort the new chief executive to his mountain offices, Rockwell was among the number of Mormons chosen by Brigham Young to harry and harass that "Utah Expedition," which Young considered nothing less than an invasion "by a hostile force who are evidently assailing us to accomplish our overthrow and destruction."

In November 1857 Rockwell was involved in an attack on a half-dozen Californians known as the Aiken party, who were attempting to reach U.S. troops wintering at Fort Bridger. Twenty years later, Rockwell would be indicted on two counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of John and William Aiken.

By the spring of 1858, Brigham Young agreed to amnesty terms offered by President Buchanan, and the Utah Expedition, commanded by Brigadier General Albert Sidney Johnston, proceeded to establish Camp Floyd south of Great Salt Lake City. After the outbreak of the Civil War, Colonel P.E. Connor, who was ordered to Utah with the California Volunteers to "protect the mails from Indian depredations," hired Rockwell as a guide and scout for infantry and cavalry in an action against a band of Shoshones at Bear River near present Preston, Idaho, in January 1863.

During his lifetime, Rockwell attracted the curious, the celebrity seekers, and the myth makers. To journalists, authors, and world travelers he was as well known as Brigham Young. He became a legend as a rough-and-ready frontiersman, a scout, a marksman, a man of iron nerve and a man of unswerving loyalty.

Orrin Porter Rockwell died of natural causes on 9 June 1878 in Salt Lake City, while awaiting trial on Aiken murder charges. Rockwell's notoriety followed him to the grave, and grew, unencumbered by fact. The Salt Lake Tribune editorialized that he "participated in at least a hundred murders . . . ." He has remained in the eyes of the public one of the best known of the early Mormon settlers of Utah.

See: Harold Schindler, Orrin Porter Rockwell: Man of God, Son of Thunder (1966; second edition 1983); and Frank Esshom, Pioneers and Prominent Men of Utah (1913).

Harold Schindler

Dave R
May 14, 2004, 12:24 PM
To my knowledge, Brigham Young was a woodworker by trade. I never heard of him making guns. So maybe he made the stock set for that shotgun???

On the other hand, there was a gunmaker associated with Brigham Young during the Nauvoo days. He was killed in the Missouri persecutions. His son (grandson?) became a gunmaker of some reknown. The Nauvoo gunmaker was Mr. Browning. The son was John Moses Browning.

12 Volt Man
May 14, 2004, 12:53 PM
Wouldn't that be something. A shotgun made by J M Browning's father and the woodwork done by Brigham Young.

Porter Glockwell
May 14, 2004, 12:55 PM
Sensei

Who is Porter Rockwell?

My Hero.



Mine too :D

Atc1man

Orchestrator of the Mountain Meadows Massacre.

Wrong. Porter was in California running a tavern and making a mint off of the gold rush miners when the massacre occured. He wasn't even in the state for the event. This has been substantiated by a property deed issued to him in person by the state of California dated the SAME DAY as the massacre.

John D. Lee was the orchestrator of the murders.


Just a clarification,

Porter

JamisJockey
May 14, 2004, 12:58 PM
Porter was in California running a tavern

I'll stand corrected and take back that part of my statement.

JamisJockey
May 14, 2004, 01:12 PM
I dug a little deeper. Lee was a scapegoat. The whole community orchestrated the massacre.
:neener:
http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no77.htm#BRIGHAM%20YOUNG%20INDICTED%20FOR%20MURDER

Porter Glockwell
May 14, 2004, 02:14 PM
Quite possibly so, but not under orders from Brigham Young as his slanderers (both past and present) would have you belive.

The historical innacuracy of that website is incredible.

The Danites were NEVER a "church security service" the Danites were radical offshoots that were excommunicated in Nauvoo Illinois. After their excommunication and arrest by Illinois authorities, they slandered Brigham, Porter ,and Joseph Smith as the "true" leaders of their secret group. All three were cleared of this charge. Whenever similar apostate groups sprang up the name Danites popped up with them.

Just setting the record straight.

Port

Logan5
May 14, 2004, 02:42 PM
It's naughty to bait Mormons. Could we get back to the gun part? :)

All I managed to dig up so far is this: http://historytogo.utah.gov/firearms.html

"Keeping in mind the news item concerning the patent protections on Samuel Colt's firearms expiring in four years, consider this notation in Brigham Young's "Manuscript History" for March 21, 1857: "Commenced this morning to make revolving pistols at the public works in the new shop which ha[s] been put up from a portion of the wheelwright shop. David Sabin and William Naylor were employed at this work."

"When representatives of the Eastern press visited Great Salt Lake City to attend the third annual Deseret Agricultural and Manufacturing Association Fair in the Social Hall, the New York Times correspondent commented on one "remarkable feature" of the exhibit: "A case of Colt's pistols and rifles, manufactured at the public works of the Church, for the use of the Mormon army." All of which proves little, except that the settlers in Utah were capable and familiar enough with firearms to produce, as it was subsequently learned, some 500 of Colt's patent pistols in that arsenal/shop."

So Brigham Young may have "made" firearms in the sense of appropriating funds to set up production... and was at one point in the business of counterfeiting Colts.

gunsmith
May 14, 2004, 11:22 PM
I'm a Catholic from NYC, I sure learned alot from this thread.
Thanks!

4v50 Gary
May 14, 2004, 11:25 PM
Thanks for the info on Porter Rockwell. I thought it was some sort of electric tool company. :)

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