Going to Ireland and England this summer


Sean T
May 14, 2004, 12:15 AM
I will be spending a week or so in Ireland and 3 days in London. Any gun related sites to see?

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May 14, 2004, 12:46 AM
Holland & Holland
31-33 Bruton Street
Tel: +44 (0)20 7499 4411

The enfield pattern room would also be great, also the tower of london, and the cabinet war rooms.

Sean T
May 14, 2004, 01:12 AM
Noted, thanks!:)

May 14, 2004, 01:15 AM
The Royal Armouries are now in the North of England, so don't expect them at the Tower of London.

May 14, 2004, 01:26 AM
The biggest single place to visit is the Imperial War Museum in London. Stupendous amount of historical relics. Then battlefield sights like Hastings, of course. There is an amazing amount of history in that very small country.

May 14, 2004, 02:25 AM
A few suggestions for three days in London. James Smith & Sons, James Purdey and Sons Limited, Henry Maxwell and Company Limited, Holland and Holland, Lock and Company, Fortnum and Mason, Big Ben, Millenium Wheel, changing of the guard, London Dungeon (must see!), Kew Gardens, Portobello Road, Harrods, Madame Tussauds (long line), New Scotland Yard, Hendon Police College, 221-B Baker Street and the pubs. A taxi, red bus and Underground ride are required modes of travel. Boots, Marks and Spencers and Harrods along with Libertys are good places to shop. Are you going to be in Dublin? The floozy in the Jacuzzi is a landmark to see. You have to walk around Dublin. I really enjoyed my times there. Will you be near Killarney? The ring of Kerry is a worthwhile daytrip. Muckross House is a nice tour.

May 14, 2004, 03:24 AM
Second the Imperial War Museum, a must see. I've been to the RAF Museum but it is a ways out. Army Museum was interesting. I enjoyed seeing the Parliament - The House of Commons & House of Lords. Lines were shorter there later in the day.

Windsor Castle is worth the trip out there if you have time.

Three days isn't much in London, make the most of it. Taxis are fairly expensive but a ride or 2 is worthwhile. Learn to ride the "tube" and buses to save bucks.

May 14, 2004, 05:02 AM
I also highly recommend the Imperial War Museum....you'll need more than a couple of hours there. Of course you'll also want to go to the Tower of London. Pre-buy your tickets and get there early !
There's so much to see in London....
Don't know about Dublin.

May 14, 2004, 05:18 AM
Another vote for the Imperial War Museum. An interesting side note is that the building that the museum is housed in is the former insane asylum known as Bedlam.

There is also the cruiser/destroyer/frigate that is at anchor in the Thames near Tower Bridge. We didn't have time to do it but it looked interesting.

May 14, 2004, 08:10 AM
I'm sorry:(


May 14, 2004, 08:50 AM
Holland & Holland

That would be on my list as well, but beware, they are not the friendliest people. A friend of mine went over there a couple years ago. He emailed, then called and was warmly encouraged to stop by for a visit. When he arrived, he was given a cool, actually rude, reception. To top it off, there was a guy checking out shotguns who kept pointing them at my friend's head. Dunno if it was out of malice or not, but it was certainly not welcomed.


Dain Bramage
May 14, 2004, 09:38 AM
The cruiser in the Thames is H.M.S. Belfast, of WWII fame. Was mined, and saw action in the sinking of the German battlecruiser Scharnhorst, among other things.

For a longer visit to England, a stop at Portsmouth, a few hours driving south of London, is a must. Includes Mary Rose, Victory, and (my favorite) Warrior, the grand-daddy to every ocean-going armored ship.

May 14, 2004, 09:58 AM
Here are my tips for seeing London.

1. Take the Paddington Express from Heathrow into London; it saves a lot of time over the Underground. Then take a Black Cab to your hotel.

2. Take the Big Bus Company red line tour when you first arrive. It goes past most of the major attractions and the 24-hour ticket allows on and off privileges.

3. Buy a 24-hour or weekend pass on the Underground. It’s a fast and EASY way to get around.

4. Buy “Fast Access / Group Admission” tickets for the Tower of London from your hotel or the Big Bus Company. When you get to the Tower, you go to the Group entry gate and get right in.

5. Go to the Tower of London when it first opens. Go IMMEDIATELY to see the Crown Jewels, then return to the entrance for the tour.

6. Remember Harrods is closed on Sundays.

7. Remember most /all churches do not allow tours on Sundays.

8. See the Changing of the Guard AND the Horse Guards Parade.

9. Take a guided tour of St. Paul’s (11:00 – 2:00)

10. If you’re flying British Airways, check in your luggage and get your seat assignment at Paddington Station on your way back to Heathrow.(check with your airline, they may have a desk at Paddington, also)

11. HAVE FUN !!!!

Lone Star
May 14, 2004, 10:04 AM
This is slightly off topic, but you guys may get a laugh from it. I did, in retrospect...

My son was an officer with Third Infantry Div., and on his way home from Iraq last year, stopped off in London. He knows that I love good tea, and that I know about Harrod's, the world famous department store that Josey mentioned here. So, he got me a box of one of their tea blends. Shipped it in one of their shopping bags/sacks.

I wanted to make an impression on the hot blonde who cuts my hair, and I occasionally give her chocolate, for brownie points. Gets me affectionate fondling around the ears while in the barber chair... so, to impress her, I gave her some candy and put it in the Harrod's bag, telling her that I thought she might like to have it as a souvenir of sorts, seeing as how women love to shop in famous places, etc.

Denise didn't know what Harrod's was until I told her. Thought the bag was from a new store in our nearby mall. Hey: I said she's blonde...

Seriously, I won't bore you with what my son said about Harrod's and their stock of goods, but I bet I could spend hours in there, shopping and sampling. I hope it isn't one of those London sites that won't let in a man carrying an ordinary pocketknife. I've heard that that's strictly forbidden at many tourist sites in the UK. Be wary!

Lone Star

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May 14, 2004, 10:22 AM
harrod's really is something. in the toy department they had two scaled down gas powered cars for kids. one was a ferrari and i forget the other one. they were both almost 20 grand. that was about 5 years ago.

if you wouldnt mind renting a car and seeing the countryside i suggest taking a day trip to stonehenge. its really an incredible site.

Lone Star
May 14, 2004, 10:30 AM
Does anyone know where one can/can't carry a pocketknife in London?
I think one of the knife forums said that virtually all the big tourist places, inc. the Imperial War Museum, ban them, and have metal detectors.

Apparently, if the police find someone with a knife, he has to explain why he has a "legitimate need" for it.

Lone Star

May 14, 2004, 11:44 AM
The floozy in the Jacuzzi is a landmark to see.
:what: :confused: :scrutiny: :uhoh: :confused:

Josey, who or what is this famous tourist landmark???

May 14, 2004, 12:15 PM
In Ireland, walk the Burren in north Clare (or at least take a couple of hours to drive through it). It's on the way between Limerick and Galway.

It is truly other-worldly. You know how the Badland in S.D. affects people? I've been to both, and the Burren affected me more than the Badlands. (Of course, I have Clare ancestors, so that probably had something to do with it ... "Up the Banner!"). The Burren. Where there are no trees to hang a man. Where there is not enough water to drown him. And if you finally succeeded in killing him, it's too rocky to bury him.
An ancient plinking target ;)

A view across the firing range ;)

"We have facilities for rainy-day shooting!" ;)

May 14, 2004, 12:38 PM
I'm not aware of any gun related sights not already mentioned other than possibly Trafalger Square. I've never seen so many pigeons in my life!

If you're a Tolkien or C.S. Lewis fan don't miss going to the Eagle and the Child, a.k.a. the Bird and Baby. It is the pub in Oxford that the Inklings hung out in. While you're there have a SHOT in honor of those fine mens' memories. (how's that for keeping things gun related? SHOT, get it???)

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May 14, 2004, 01:03 PM
oh i forget to tell you to checkout this one public bathroom they have. its a single room outside and the walls and ceiling are a two way mirror. you can see out from the inside but cant see in from the outside. i think its at the louvre.

May 14, 2004, 01:29 PM
If you had enough time, the Imperial War Museum at Duxford RAF base is great. It is outside Cambridge, England. Both large indoor and outdoor displays including a B52, Vulcan bomber, B29 and B17 bombers and a host other military and civilian aircraft including the first Concorde.

Also has tanks, artillery, etc.

I spent several weeks in England and Scotland in 1989. Bought over here a British Rail pass. British rail service is great and the pass we had was good for 15 24 hour trips and was quite cheap. First class accommodations. Cars were never crowded. Also, the conductors at that time were very lax in punching our tickets, so we ended up with extra trips.

At the time the trains traveled up to 125 MPH.

The railroad museum in York, England is cool as well.

May 14, 2004, 05:07 PM
RE: floozy in the jacuzzi. The River Liffey is what aided Dublin to become what it is. The city fathers decided a woman in a fountain would be a nice monument. The humour of Dubliners prompty changed the monument to the River Liffey into the floozy in the jacuzzi.

May 14, 2004, 07:51 PM
floozy in the jacuzzi And don't forget The Tart with the Cart.

Sean T
May 14, 2004, 09:35 PM
Wow, thanks for all your suggestions!

Ireland is the focus of our trip as we've never been there. We're flying into Dublin and staying there a few days to get adjusted to the time and visit a few pubs ;). The plan is to take a circuitous route in southern Island. First stop is Kilkenny, then on down to County Cork, and Cashel. Then we might go see the cliffs of Moher among other things. Then off to London for a few days and that's it. I was in London 10 years ago and saw the changing of the guard, very cool :cool:.

May 14, 2004, 09:47 PM
Cashel!? That is a weird place. I never heard of a registration required with family history included just to be buried. I guess you are going by ferry to England? I went to Blarney but, you knew that!:neener:

May 14, 2004, 09:57 PM
Still has hunting but most folks are "against guns" West Cork probably has the most gun friendly folks,they will shoot your dog if he "worries" sheep.
I was in West Cork a few yrs ago during the Christmas season (hunting season) Guns were going off all over the place.
I didn't ask about gun laws at the time,be sure to ask and let us know.
Bantry and Kinsale are really cool.
Cork City has incredibly beautiful women wearing miniskirts!

May 14, 2004, 11:29 PM
What a great post! I'm also going to Ireland (2 weeks) and then London for two day this summer. Lots of good hints at what to see.

Maybe I'll have to send my wife to Harrod's and then I can get away to the museums!(I'll keep the credit card:D )

Mal H
May 14, 2004, 11:45 PM
"The Floozy in the Jacuzzi"

:D That was the very first thing our cab driver pointed out on arrival.

Unless you've already booked another method to get from Jolly Old to Dublin, I highly recommend the high speed ferry from Holly Head. Do not fail to go up on deck - it's a heck of a surprise!

"Then we might go see the cliffs of Moher among other things."
You might go see the Cliffs of Moher?? Do not under any circumstance miss the Cliffs of Moher! You'll never see a more breathtaking sight. That is if the weather if good. At this time of year the odds are better than a few months ago.

May 15, 2004, 01:45 AM
Ireland! It's beautiful! Any way you want to name.

If you ever get to Galway, go stand out by the river, and keep an eye out. Subtly watch for the heart-wrenchingly beautiful women going by. You can't miss it.

For those who don't know, Cork is like the Texas of Ireland. Huge, agrarian, friendly, conservative (relatively).

The only problem I had over there was that I couldn't respect the cops. Anybody called the "Guardee" who wears a big yellow vest and no gun is not on my "do not mess with" list.

I carried a folder and had a fixed as backup all over Ireland. As long as you dont do something incredibly stupid, you wont get busted.

May 15, 2004, 12:28 PM
Cliffs of Moher! Yes, a definite must. The visit easily can be combined with a trip to The Burren. The two are very close.

Did I say I like The Burren? ;)

Sean T
May 15, 2004, 03:57 PM
We're flying from Dublin to London, so no ferry for us. We've heard that there's quite a crowd this time of year that goes to Moher. That is why we don't know if we'll see it or not. We're also going to Blarney and Tiperrary. We might go to Kinsale as it's not far from Cork. We'll just get in the car and drive and see what strikes our fancy, time permitting.

Mal H
May 15, 2004, 04:52 PM
Ah, so much to tell you about Ireland, so little time, so off topic. :)

If you are fairly limited on time, you might consider leaving Blarney off your itinerary. It's more of a tourist trap than something you'll fondly remember later. The time could be better spent elsewhere.

Have you been informed about the car situation? They are small and the roads are usually narrow especially in the mountains (Ring of Kerry, Dingle Penin.) and in The Burren. If you don't absolutely need something, don't take it with you. The car trunks are small. Our last trip we decided to buy clothes along the way instead of taking a bunch, even did some laundry in Tralee.

Don't worry too much about finding a B&B wherever you end up at night. There's hundreds of them. If one is full, they will usually tell you where a vacancy might be nearby. "Ah foolks, tarribly sarry, but we're full up. Let me ring up Mary O'Brien, she might have a room." She usually did - seems every lady is named Mary O'Brien! :) The Irish are the best bunch of people on the face of the earth.

I've to comment on winstonsmith's comment on Galway: "If you ever get to Galway, go stand out by the river ... watch for the heart-wrenchingly beautiful women going by." Or go to the park, or go to the Skiff Bar, or ...
He's right, gotta be something in the sea air there. ;)

Actually to go back on-topic for a change, someone above mentioned Portobello Road in London. There are lots and lots of antique shops there where you can find all sorts of English wartime memorabilia. I even found some musket parts and old powder flasks, etc. If you can get there on a Saturday, they have a regular flea market type of setup where the road is closed to general traffic and the dealers set up their goods on the street. If you plan to be in London for an extended time, Portobello is the best place in London to buy produce, fruits, meats, cheese, etc. The goods are all first rate and are sold for very reasonable prices.

May 15, 2004, 05:37 PM
I mentioned Portobello Road. That is a great pace to haggle. The only other firearms related shop was a gunshop in Stratford upon Avon. It was a BP cowboy shop. I thought I was in Texas! They even had S&W revolvers for export only. Blarney is a great place to go. The Blarney Woolen Mills, the castle and the Blarney Stone. If you suffer vertigo, don't even THINK about it. I had an excellent meal at Blarney. I bought my Petersen pipes at the Woolen Mills. Country wear is available there also. I highly suggest that you take only your clothes on your back and buy on the way. St. Stephens Green in Dublin is good for shopping and walking in the park. There are great antiques shops in Dublin. The one pub you MUST stop at in Dublin is the Bleeding Horse.

May 15, 2004, 08:28 PM
After dark laddie!
Dublins famous for their "needle" stick ups, young
ruffians rob the unwary with "aids needles"

Also if you're into old books,Ireland has great deals,antiques as well.

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