Titanium Fetish?


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Skunkabilly
February 9, 2003, 09:18 PM
OK what titanium pistol should I get to go along with a Luminox titanium, titanium knife (haven't decided, but probably a BM Balisong when I leave CA), and titanium chopsticks and spork?

All I know about is the Beretta Tomcat....

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riverdog
February 9, 2003, 09:28 PM
I'm seriously considering a Caspian Ti 1911 frame. All I need is to leave CA.

10-Ring
February 9, 2003, 11:59 PM
No dude, a ti-spork & carbon fiber chop sticks ;)

dude
February 10, 2003, 12:50 AM
fetish??

dude, you need to put the weapons away and get out more

denfoote
February 10, 2003, 01:15 AM
You could get into Skunk & Weasel (no offence intended) or Taurus. They make products out of the marvelous metal!!! :D

Skunkabilly
February 10, 2003, 01:58 AM
You know...I've heard some pretty specieist things in my life time...but that's gotta take the cake :D

So other than Beretta, Taurus and S&W there aren't any production Ti guns?

Ti Beretta 92...droool.

twoblink
February 10, 2003, 02:12 AM
From my understanding of the metal (someone correct me of I'm wrong) Ti used as a knife element is not very good. It has great tensile strength, and so it is resisitant to stretching, but it cannot hold an edge as someone that has a high carbon element..

Fetishes? Well... Don't get me started...

But I think Titanium would make good gun frame elements... Ti is not plyable like steel, and so make sure your barrels etc.. aren't using that... It might shatter...

CWL
February 10, 2003, 03:22 AM
Titanium body piercings are pretty popular.

Skunkabilly
February 10, 2003, 03:40 AM
I saw some knive with Ti handles.

Not sure if I want a whole new caliber though.

Kahr carrier
February 10, 2003, 06:27 AM
Replacement Titanium Bone joints .:neener:

dude
February 10, 2003, 10:34 AM
Taurus 617T .357mag

I have the ever popular powder blue version and while it has become my primary go-to gun...............it has not reached any sort of fetish level.

mete
February 10, 2003, 10:35 AM
Twoblink, titanium barrels might shatter ? No way .Ti alloys are heat rteated to very high strengths and toughness, in fact there have been some special Ti barrels made for the Gov't ( lots of your Tax $$$ ) . But a bit of advice for those getting a new Ti gun , you can square it with your wife by buying her some Ti jewelry.

10-Ring
February 10, 2003, 11:02 AM
No, Ti - hand cuffs for pure fetish use :neener: :evil:

fatboyclone
February 10, 2003, 12:07 PM
http://worldwideknives.com/BENCHMADE/Bali886.jpg

10-Ring
February 10, 2003, 01:28 PM
As I recall, titanium is really flexy. It might be okay as a small parts material (trigger, firing pin, hammer), but might not stand up to alot of pounding (ie. slide & frame cycling).

mete
February 10, 2003, 07:42 PM
10 ring - modulus of elasticity is different than steel but that has nothing to do with pounding. After all they do make Ti hammers.

Handy
February 10, 2003, 09:25 PM
Ti is an excellent gun material for everything but barrels.

It makes a ton more sense for frames than aluminum does.

agony
February 10, 2003, 11:14 PM
How about one of them there Titanium mountain bikes?

Ron L
February 10, 2003, 11:28 PM
My brother's wedding ring is ti. More of a chi-chi item. Just to say you have something that's different.

Not to mention that plate in my skull. :D

dude
February 10, 2003, 11:34 PM
those Ti rings have caused emergency rooms to have new tools for cutting them off............as the old ring cutting stuff does not have the power 'make the cut' so to speak

Prodigalshooter
February 11, 2003, 12:08 AM
Titanium frames is a good idea, not sure if the slide would be, but I tend to think it wouldn't(not enough mass). Ti is very tough, mtn. bike frames hold up well when properly formed and welded, so a pistol frame should be ok. You'd get the same basic weight as aluminum, with a much greater life span. Pretty impervious to rust too.
If you make one for a $1000, I'll buy one!

Handy
February 11, 2003, 01:09 PM
I have two Titanium bicycles and a ring. The ring is beautiful, lusterous and keeps it's polish. It resists corrosion as well as the gold inlaid on it's surface. It's not cheesey, it's a nicer looking material than platinum.

The titanium bikes are also unpainted. Titanium has wonderful ride qualities as it gives you back all the energy you put in. About as stiff as steel, almost as light aluminum and carbon. The most delicate part of a frame, the dropouts where wheel and deraileur connect, are extremely crashworthy. One manufacturer has never seen a broken one. You can't say that of any steel bike. Needless to say, the bike industry is alot more innovative than the gun industry.

Titanium would be great for a long slide pistol. Instead of cutting holes in the slide (Glock 34), you just make it in a less dense material.

It would be perfect for frames. No galling, no corrosion, no finish wear. It would probably have a (minor) recoil damping property.

The only thing Ti isn't good for are cutting surfaces. Rifling is essentially a cutting surface.

krept
February 11, 2003, 07:39 PM
Ok, get the benchmade bali trainer. Can have it in CA, you get to practice your flips for when you get the real deal, and it's Ti.

btw... if you found ti chopsticks without wood (i always gnaw mine up) let me know.

cheers

Gewehr98
February 11, 2003, 11:36 PM
Replacement Titanium Bone joints .


Part of my military disability when I retire in 3 years is an evaluation of my hip sockets and knee joints, based on degenerative arthritis. The flight surgeon watches my mobility like a hawk, and has been making comments about the fact that whatever spare titanium isn't used in Air Force jets, can be used to fashion replacement parts for me. Thank you, no, and pass me some more Naproxen, please. I'm only 37, I don't need to be setting off metal detectors at the airport yet. :(

agony
February 11, 2003, 11:58 PM
I'm only 37, I don't need to be setting off metal detectors at the airport yet

Slightly OT, but...
Funny. Recently at the airport with a co-worker. He kept getting stopped at the metal detectors. Turned out it wasn't the Ti intermedullary rod in his leg, but the clips that held his hairpiece in place! :p

Erik
February 12, 2003, 01:36 AM
Gunsite offers a couple of 1911 packages built on Caspian Ti frames, iirc.

Schuey2002
February 15, 2003, 12:43 AM
Get a Glock.. Oops, wrong thread.. :what:

I'm bound to get a nasty gram for this one !!!! :uhoh: :neener:

Zak Smith
February 15, 2003, 01:16 PM
Titanium-framed pistol?
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid35/paa265fef4c48f2d648f7f409c24c785f/fd2d17af.jpg
PistolSmith thread A "middleweight" Commander, by Ted Yost (http://www.pistolsmith.com/viewtopic.php?t=13672).

Yes Please!

-z

arinvolvo
February 17, 2003, 04:09 AM
Woah...I totally thought I was the only weirdo who bought one of those titanium sporks!!!

State of the art "chowing" utensil.

:p

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=119050

Skunkabilly
February 17, 2003, 12:34 PM
Some guy on another forum bought custom chopsticks! You are not alone!

owen
February 18, 2003, 08:06 PM
mete,

Who is making Ti barrels for whom?

The problem with Ti is that it is not so good when it will be exposed to rubbing.

It should e okay for a frame, because frame rails donts really have much load. In a slide, you would want a steel barrel bushing and breech face at a minimum. The slide rails should be ok, for the same reason the frame rails would be ok.

Thumper
February 19, 2003, 07:56 AM
Skunk,

I bought one of these Sunday:

http://www.impactguns.com/store/walther_p99_ti.html

When I first looked at one, I thought to myself, "Now there's a Skunky pistol."

Handy
February 19, 2003, 11:56 AM
The "Titanium" in that P99 is likely titanium nitride plating, as used on drill bits.


I didn't think Ti rifled barrels were possible either. Mete?

tw1112
February 19, 2003, 04:38 PM
How about a desert eagle! :) You can even get it in gold to call it your pimp gun

http://www.galleryofguns.com/prod_images/de50tcn.jpg

Matt G
February 20, 2003, 05:13 AM
I thought the Ti in Desert Eagles was only the super-hard finish, like drill bits?

Are they now making total-Ti pistols?

Handy
February 20, 2003, 01:06 PM
Yep, that's plating, too.

Carbon_15
February 20, 2003, 01:12 PM
One thing I have never seen mentioned before is how hard it is to clean raw titanium. Polished titanium like on the Desert Eagle or the P99 is very easy to clean..everything just wipes off. But raw, machined titanium, like the S&W revolver cylinders or the 1911 frame is an absolute bear to clean. The powder residue on the outside of the cylinder is practialy imposible to remove.

Smoke
February 20, 2003, 02:52 PM
What happened to the tactical pledge?

mete
February 23, 2003, 09:13 PM
Handy, I didn't say it was easy or cheap to make a titanium barrel, I just said it had been done. Titanium nitride , the gold stuff on drill bits is often refered to as titanium in ads and that causes great confusion. The best parts of titanium are its very high corrosion resistance and its high strength to weight ratio. Where can I get those titanium chopsticks ??

tex_n_cal
February 25, 2003, 02:54 AM
Just give me a shout, I would be delighted to make you some titanium springs:D

Titanium has some slightly bizarre properties. Very corrosion resistant, but at high temperatures, it will absorb impurities from the air, and become highly brittle. I think that's why no one wants to make barrels for it - the hot gases would cause some very unpleasant surprises.

Titanium spring wire will age harden up to about Rc 42 in hardness. When you heat treat it, it must be etched with acid, made spotlessly clean, then placed in a high vaccum furnace for age hardening for a few hours at 1000 degrees. Touch the bare metal with skin prior to heat treating, and the salt from your body will be absorbed into the metal at high temperature. The spring will then break like glass where you touched it:eek:

Interesting material, but it has its quirks, to put it mildly.:)

Tamara
February 25, 2003, 08:28 AM
Titanium would be great for a long slide pistol. Instead of cutting holes in the slide (Glock 34), you just make it in a less dense material.

Why not just cut holes in the slide? It's easier and cheaper and has the same end result (a lighter slide)

It would be perfect for frames. No galling, no corrosion, no finish wear. It would probably have a (minor) recoil damping property.

Polymer and aluminium have all those good properties, are plenty strong enough for handgun frames, and are lighter than Titanium.

I know that the gun industry is barely staggering out of the stone age, but the simple fact of the matter is that except for some lockwork parts and revolver cylinders, there's almost nothing that could be made out of Ti that couldn't be made out of something else better suited for the job and easier to work with. Of course, that's not as sexycool as "Titanium"...

Marko Kloos
February 25, 2003, 09:09 AM
Modern alloys can do everything Titanium does, while being cheaper and easier to manufacture. Ti is a funky and space-age material, but it's expensive and difficult to machine.

S&W made some prototype airweight snubbies for the Secret Service, models 442 with aluminum alloy cylinders. They were lighter than the Ti guns, and they passed the 4,000 round durability test with +P ammo without problems.

Tamara
February 25, 2003, 09:12 AM
I'm surprised you'd be talking about such obsolete bikes when recumbents are obviously the wave of the future... ;)

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