[MJRW]

But I want the pistol that is to 9mm what the 1911 is to .45. The gun that is identified with that around and vice versa. But I can't tell if this is the BHP, Glock, Beretta.... So, if you had to pick the 9mm that would be THE 9mm, which would it be?

[USGuns]

Using your criteria -

"the pistol that is to 9mm what the 1911 is to .45"

then it's got to be the BHP, with both the 1911 and BHP designed by the same man John Moses Browning.

http://hp35.netfirms.com/history/history.htm

[Sven]

CZ75, SA or DA. Grips available by Hakan (http://www.imageseek.com/hakan). 15 rounders available from CZ USA relatively cheap.

Or... Glock 17.

Or... BHP if you want to work on it a little bit (trigger).

[Hkmp5sd]

I'd say the Beretta 92. Especially given it has been the standard issue sidearm of the military for the past 20 years and is very popular in the civilian market.

Is it the best 9mm available? No. But it is probably the most numerous 9mm in the US (including both civilian/LEO/military). And thanks to Die Hard and Lethal Weapon , it is known to most people, whether or not they are into guns.

[Neal Bloom]

Lot of good 9mm's out there but I am going to have to agree with USGuns - the Browning Hi-Power.

[Marko Kloos]

I want the pistol that is to 9mm what the 1911 is to .45.

That would be the Browning HP, IMHO.

[Prodigalshooter]

Yup, Hi-Power hands down. But the CZ would be the next step on the ladder.;)

[bpisler]

Browning Hi-power.

[emann]

That's an easy one. The XD of course. :neener:

[David S]

Walther P99.

when i think of a 9MM, i think of a berretta 92f, but if i where going to suggest THE gun that is great in 9MM id suggest the Walther P99...........i hear its good in 40 too........

[CZF]

Yes, the P35 Browning..the King of Nines. original Cz75 is the King of the DA nines.

Both guns have underwent some modifications, but the
great feel and classic reliability is still there.

Ask American what is the gun most associated with the 9mm
as a classic combat weapon...the answer would be the "High Power".

A european might say P35, or the CZ75.

A shooter in S. Africa would probably say "Cee-Zed Seven Five!"

Best thing is to buy both. pre-enhanced pistols are getting
more scarce each day. At least from my point of view about
Pre-B, or Type A CZ75s.

Solid vote for #1. BHP

Secondary :CZ75

Enjoy The Both

[Steelharp]

The Browning Hi Power, the next descendant to JMB after the 1911... and I just happen to have a great deal on one for sale... a Practical, two-tone... :)

Mikey D...

[10-Ring]

The epitome of 9mm? Easy, the Heckler & Koch P7M8 :cool:

[CWL]

Yup, H&K P7M8. Works best in 9mm. Tuned perfectly for 9mm parabellum.

It doesn't work in .45ACP and in lighter calibers like .380. .32 or .22LR. -You actually need different different recoil systems for these calibers.

[Skunkabilly]

What the 1911 is to the 45....

If you want the military issue theme, the Beretta 92.
Otherwise the Browning HP
The USP9F is a stretch but it can be carried cocked & locked.
P7M8 depending on how you look at it, is also a single action grip safety auto.

[sm]

BHP

[Schuey2002]

Since you are relating it to a 1911, it has to be a Browning Hi Power.

The "Energizer Bunny" of 9mm's is the Glock 17/19, hands down.

But, the best overall of the 9mm's is probably a H&K P7M8 or P7M13..:)

[Blueduck]

But I want the pistol that is to 9mm what the 1911 is to .45.

Don't really think their is exactly what your looking for. I'd WAG 60+% of 45 ACP ammo has,was, or will be shot out of 1911's of some type. On the other side a wealthy man could fill a room with a collection of historically important and popular designs in 9mm. But my MHO would be...

To the:

U.S. Millitary- Beretta 92FS

U.S. Police- Glock 17

U.S. Gangsta Rappers- again the Glock 17 ;)

World- Browning Hi-power

[Kahr carrier]

Lugers or High Powers or P-38.:)

[jrpeterman]

If you mean one not likely to be effected by the elements, rugged, durable, and reliable my choice would be the Glock.

[New_comer]

Lugers, P7M8, USP9, Glock 17, Walther P-5, Sig P-210 or anything Germanic in origin...

The 9mm Luger originated from Europe, so it only is appropriate to match it with a European gun... :p :neener: :evil:

[ojibweindian]

Without a doubt, the CZ-75. Of course, I am a recent convert and my opinion is quite biased!

[Zip06]

In a historical sense the only choice would be the High Power.
In the modern sense, the Glock 17.

The best 9mm in production, who knows? There are so many excellent examples.

[Handy]

Historically: Luger.

The original wondernine: BHP

The modern wondernine: Beretta 92 (as seen on TV! How could Bruce and Mel both be wrong?)

The most bullets in a 9: Glock 17 with +2 extension (sure, there are hi-cap Caspians, but that wouldn't seem right.) Plus, is invisible to X-rays and metal detectors.

Most perfect man/machine/caliber oneness ever: P7M8 or M13

Yeah, the P7M13 has the bells AND the whistles. Oh, baby.


It all depends on whether you view 9mm as an ancient military workhorse, or the ultra modern caliber-for-all-seasons.

[Poohgyrr]

No doubt, the Hi Power.

I mean, just look at some of the Hi Power attributes being copycatted by the johnny-come-lately double stacks: single action trigger, twenty round mags, THE perfect grip (CZ is close, everyone else is a poor second), reliability, accuracy, yadda yadda yadda.

Yup, no one else comes close. No Doubt. :neener:

[Marko Kloos]

Glock 17 <...> is invisible to X-rays and metal detectors.

Glocks are visible just fine on x-rays, and they will set off metal detectors as well. Over 80% of a Glock's mass is old-fashioned steel.

(Even if it was made totally out of Riboflavin, the cartridges are still ferrous, anyway.)

[Handy]

Glocks are visible just fine on x-rays, and they will set off metal detectors as well. Over 80% of a Glock's mass is old-fashioned steel.

Boy, am I goin' to have to work on my powers of sarcastic levity.


Also, I keep seeing posts referring to "No Doubt". I wouldn't have thought this young group of Rock'n'Roll stars had any interest in firearms. And they seem to be misquoted since they couldn't love both the CZ and Hi-Power.


(Does typing "without a doubt" give stronger credence to one's views than saying your pet gun "rocks"?)

[stretcharmstrong]

There are many great 9mm's out there like the HK P7M8, CZ 75, Glock 17 and many more to list which are excellent fire arms in their own way. For your criterium, the choice would have to be between the Browning Hi-Power and Beretta 92. I guess you'll just have to buy them all and tell us which one you think is most 1911 like?:D :D

[BevrFevr]

9x19 = 9mm Parabellum = 9mmLUGER!

9mm meant Luger for quite a while.

After the Luger came the HP which redefined 9mm.

Then Came CZ75 which redefined Kick As*! Sweetness.

CZ gives you everthing the HP does and more.

Yeah there are those that worship on the German HK altar but being Overbuilt and Expensive by definition aren't gonna get you any dates in my neck of the woods.

I've never seen/held a 9mm HK that I would swap my CZ for. I would take one in addition to my CZ but never instead of. For the price of an HK you can almost have any of the tricked out CZ race guns you want. And don't forget hi cap mag availabilty.

Glocks are way too expensive for what they are. At half the price yeah I'd pick one up. but not until then.

Get a CZ you'll thank me later.
-Bevr

[Handy]

What is "overbuilt"?

I hear that in reference to HKs all the time. It must not mean sturdy, since no one calls the CZ overbuilt.

And it must not mean that it has too many internal parts, because even a P7 has fewer parts than a Beretta.

So I'm stumped.

[cratz2]

I consider the P08 to be to the 9mm what the 1911 is to the 45ACP.

I consider the Hi Power to be to the 9mm what the 1911A1 is to the 45ACP.

If I could only keep one 9mm that I have it would be my Taurus PT99AF. But I have an EAA Witness Silver Team in 40S&W and out of all my non-1911 pistols, I'd take a Silver Team in 9mm. CZ75B SA in 9mm as my second choice, standard CZ75B in 9mm as my third but would probably look to some custom trigger work. Always wanted a customized BHP but have never got around to it.

[SteveA]

BHP - No question about it.

Fix the trigger, dump the mag safety and add Hogue grips. If you want to fine tune it - a little polishing does wonders for it

No finer 9 IMO. I recently bought an FEG BHP clone. It's very close to the BHP in all respects and much less costly.

[BevrFevr]

Speaking for myself Overbuilt would mean applying engineering and design principals that are several times in excess of what is needed to perform a task so much so that it infringes upon other elements of function. I don't know what the dictionary says but that is what I meant.

And that is purely an opinion about HK's. When Overbuilt is what you need it is hard to accept anything less than HK.

I may be the only one in the world that does not like the squeeze cocker/safety of the P7. I know that is blasphemy. Growing up HK always held this sort of mythical uberweapon status in my view. Then at a NRA convention I got to handle all of the HK products I wanted and I was pretty underwhelmed with most of them. There was like only one or two models that I really liked and I found them to be wickedly overpriced.

-bevr

[Ala Dan]

Greeting's All,

MJRW, my choice for the 9m/m that signifies the
"Ultimate in 9m/m's" is the SIG-Sauer P228; also known by the military designation M11. Utterly reliable, extremely accurate,
and craftsmanship at its finest makes this pistol my choice!

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

[JeepDriver]

BHP.

I didn't belive one gun could be everything that I was told it was.

Until I bought mine.

They are one fine hand gun. I had a Glock, and have shot more Berettas then I can remember. But the Hi-Power is a much nicer pistol.

[Pilot]

Browning Hi Power. Mostly a JMB design, single action, slim, classy, points well and is accurate.

On the other hand you could always get a 1911A1 in 9MM. Springfield and STI make fine examples as do others I'm sure.

[Beorn]

So, we have various Berettas, Glocks, HKs, SIGs, the BHP and its clones...

All are fine weapons. All have their plusses and minuses.

May I submit to you the following suggestion...

The new Beretta 92G-SD. It is a 9mm much like the 92FS, but with the Brigadier slide, and a manual safety (as opposed to a decocker; better for "true" cocked-and-locked). It uses the same magazines as the other full size 92s, and has many of the features you'd look for in a well-rounded 9mm.

I think that when I get a .40, I'm going to get the 96G-SD. But not a 9mm.

What do I have as a 9mm personally?

Glock 17.:D

[Russ]

A Belgian made Browning Hi Power. Can't go wrong. This is to 9mm what 1911 is to .45.

[Boats]

The new Beretta 92 GSD is not a C&L design. It is the standard 92 grip size, with factory checkering on the backstrap. It has a Brig slide, standard night sights and an ambi "G" DECOCK only set of slide paddles. The trigger is a DA/SA of the traditional Beretta 92 reach and the dustcover has a standard accessory rail along with a recontoured trigger guard.

I am getting a CZ 85B and Kadet kit next month, and maybe a CZ 75 P-01 the month after. IMHO, there is no 9mm series that does more for less money, and as well, than the CZ 75/85, and I have had Beretta 92s and BHP's in the past.