[Tecolote]

Just got on FN's website where I noticed what may be a worthy successor to the HP. Anyone know if the GP SFS will be available in the US market any time soon?

Isn't the SFS based on a Cylinder & Slide invention?

http://www.fnherstal.com/html/SFS.htm

[Wildalaska]

I've been playing with one for a few weeks, and it is just a SFS kit installed on a factory gun..I dont konw if Bill Laughridge invented it but he is the importer I beleive...

WilditsaHPtooAlaska

[Tecolote]

Wildalaska,

What's your opinion of the SFS? Is it something worth getting?

[Marko Kloos]

Hey, that system looks just like the one used on the Daewoo DP-51 a few years back. You rack the slide, and then push the hammer forward. When you pull the trigger, the hammer jumps back to SA position.

[Tecolote]

lendringser,

You're right about the Daewoo. Haven't seen one of those in ages. They had a pretty good ad campaign, something like "Tested on the 38th Parallel where the targets shoot back."

[akanotken]

over at http://www.fnhipower.com/modules.php?name=Forums

I know the SFS has been discussed there before, but I don't remember the details.

[Wildalaska]

What's your opinion of the SFS? Is it something worth getting?

Yes...thewy seem to wortk well from reports I have gotten (on 1911s)...

Im gonna buy a kit and put one in a highpower..I think it will be fun to play with altho I would want to see it torture tested before I used it for carry.....

[jar]

I don't see where it really offers anything. How is it easier or safer to push the hammer forward than to put the safety on?

[Handy]

The SFS is a FN design, licensed to Daewoo and imported and sold by C&S. The DA trigger version was produced first, followed by the HP design. I'm not sure if FN also makes the 1911 version, I'm sure C&S would tell you if asked.

It doesn't seem like a bad idea in a SA like the HP. Even if the sear fails, the hammer is already down.

The downside is that the gun looks like a SA with a safety, but the safety doesn't work. If you don't know about the mod, you wouldn't know to push the hammer down to make it safe. The lever that replaced the safety only cocks, not decocks.

Plus, it is an extra $100 or so!


The Daewoo and similar super light DAs bother me because I don't think a 5 pound, safetyless first shot is such a good idea. But I seem to be in the minority on that.

[Tecolote]

Now I'm confused. I thought the SFS allowed for chamber loaded, hammer down, safety engaged. When you remove safty the hammer cocks and first round SA is engaged. Is this not the way that it works?

[Handy]

It is, but the lever is not a safety per se, it is a cocking lever. From the cocked position, you can not use that lever to safe the pistol, you have to push the hammer down. When you do this the lever moves up.

The gun is essentially "on safe" with the hammer down and frame lever up, but the manual of arms is not the same because the lever can not be used to make it "safe".

[BHP9]

I personally think this design is about as useless as tits on a bull. I was invented to make the person carrying the gun feel safer but it certainly makes the gun no safer that the traditional single action automatic that can be carried hammer down,and in some models in complete safety. Also Carrying the traditional single action locked and cocked is no more dangerous than carrying the SFs modified pistol, the difference being only one of illusion.

Remeber also, the more parts you put in any machine the higher the chance of parts failure or malfuction. Its simply the old law of averages at work.

I see no need whatsover for this invention. It was actually developed to fool the U.S. military into possibly adopted the High Power in years past because they wanted a new 9mm handgun without the problem of carrying a single action cocked and locked.
It was probably felt that it could also make inroads into the police market as well because a hammer down gun is less frightening to people than a locked and cocked weapon.

In the end the design mearly confused both the Military Neanderthal mind set and it was much too complicated to understand even for the people in police market. And so it failed.

I personally find the design absolutely ludicrous. But as always, anything new absolutely facinates many people wether or not the new design may have any practical use at all.

[Bahadur]

I was invented to make the person carrying the gun feel saferMore likely, I think it was invented to make the weapon-issuing organization feel safer from attacks about "dangerous" single-action autoloading pistols.