[Khornet]

Getting back in the saddle again, and thinking about ways to mount my handgun on the bike so that I can draw it while riding. That won't be hard to figure out, but a question occurs to me: all the constant shaking- will it gradually turn the powder finer and finer, and lead to KBs? Then I'd have to shoot off my current carry magazine more often (though that's hardly a hardship).

[mr_dove]

There's no danger of Kaboom from your gun powder becoming......powder.

I've never practiced shooting while riding. I'd probably fall down from the recoil if I tried it. I would suggest stopping your bike and putting your feet on the ground before doing any drawing or shooting.

I've heard of people carring in their Camelbaks but that's not a very quick draw.

What are the circumstances under which you'll be riding? Mountain biking, road biking, commuting (my wife rode this morning)? You concealment setup may vary according to this.

Your concealment setup might also vary depending on if you plan on drawing from an erect position (standing) or a stooped position (holding the bars). I can't think of any that would work terribly well from a stooped position.

My best guess would be a "small of back" holster with lots of retention to keep that baby in place.

I'd also consider a bike pack that attaches to your handlebars or top tube. Maybe even under the seat but that's a little more difficult to get to.

You "may" be able to modify a kydex holster in such a way that it could clamp to your handle bars with the grip of the gun facing you. I figured you weren't looking for open carry on the bike though.

This is an interesting subject. I think I'll so some research and check back later. Maybe this would be something to post on www.ridemonkey.com

Sixgunner Thread (http://forums.sixgunner.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9227&whichpage=1)

DeSantis Bike Holster (http://www.newyorkironworks.com/desanstyln52.html)

http://store4.yimg.com/I/nyironworks_1792_5655123

[mete]

Don't put it on the bike. Shooting while you are riding will be very difficult and if you have to leave the bike suddenly you won't have the gun.

[pauli]

thinking about ways to mount my handgun on the bike so that I can draw it while riding.

i know it's not an answer to your actual question, but:

maybe it's just me, but this throws up a big red flag... i can't think of any good reasons to be shooting and riding at the same time.

also, small of back and hip carry would seem to be very dangerous to me - either one is apt to break both the gun and you in a crash.

i would think a shoulder rig would be in order. at worst, you'd get a bruised arm and some broken ribs.

[Mr. Mysterious]

I think that all of the suggestions from our carry while jogging thread applies here.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72403&highlight=jogging

With the addition of using a bar bag to carry your piece in.

Personally, I am thinking about doing my suggestion from the jogging thread, which is use an armband walkman holder to carry a P32 in.

I would not want to carry on my body in a shoulder holster, or on the waist because cycling is such a repetitive exercise that blisters are sure to result.

Currently I have been carrying my P32 in my camelbak, as the greatest threat I feel is when I'm dismounted sitting have a snack, not while I'm riding.

I still have not started carrying while jogging, although I now carry a Ken Onion clipped to my waist.

You didn't mention it Khornet, but what do you plan on carrying?

[Khornet]

is that trouble never comes when you're expecting it. Of COURSE you don't want to shoot from a moving bike. You don't want to shoot at all, actually. But you may HAVE to some day. So that gun has to be accessible while you are riding, even though you'll dismount if at all practical.

Carry on the body could definitely be a problem: chafing, heavy sweating, falling on the piece, etc. I suppose it could be done with some itsy-bitsy gun, but I don't have one and can't spend the cash just now.

I'll be carrying my G22 most likely. I'll probably mount on the frame or on the bars in front of the stem. As I said, that part won't be hard to figure out.

I'm a road biker. A retro-grouch road biker, actually, riding 1980s technology, with 10 speeds, non-index shifters on the down tube, and cotton or silk tubular tires. Oh, and toe clips and cleated riding shoes. And wool riding shorts with real chamois in the seat, the kind you have to grease.

[mr_dove]

I agree with the others who have said that carrying off-body is unwise. I'd rather endanger myself from falling on it or getting chaffed than risk having someone take it while I'm relieving myself. What if you get in an accident and get taken to the hospital. You're bike won't be coming with you.

That being said, I'd go with one of those triangular bags that mounts between your seat tube and top tube. The triangular shape will make sure that the muzzle is pointed in a safe (down) direction and it should be reasonably easy to access.

[Mr. Mysterious]

You can pick up kel-tecs for dirt cheap....those little babies are much easier to take with you.

[pauli]

i'm thinking a small gun in a holster attached to my camelbak wouldn't cause a problem.

i'm still having a real tough time thinking of a situation where shooting while rolling makes the slightest bit of sense.

[Chris Rhines]

Sounds like you need a fanny pack.

- Chris

[Plinkerton]

... i can't think of any good reasons to be shooting and riding at the same time.
i'm still having a real tough time thinking of a situation where shooting while rolling makes the slightest bit of sense.

Common guys, don't tell me none of you have ever done a RIDE by shooting... :p :p :p

[Treylis]

My best guess would be a "small of back" holster with lots of retention to keep that baby in place.

I would STRONGLY recommend against this while you're riding a bike. You've all heard about how some people have gotten spinal damage from falling on their back carrying in that position? Just think of how much more likely you are to fall when you're on a bike, and it would also probably be a harder fall.

If it doesn't have to be concealed, I'd probably recommend crossdraw, either from the waist or in a chest rig.

[SpikeEVO]

I will be doing like was already mentioned in this thread, and carry an ultralight small pistol in a Sony Walkman or other style waistband or armband case. toss a set of headphones around your neck and it should look completely natural.

If I can't get my S&W337 or S&W340 to fit, this issue will just finally give me that reason I've been waiting for to buy the tiny and ultralight .380 KelTec P3AT, because the locations I jog and ride through (and the times I do it) are probably where I am most likely to need a gun!!

[lee n. field]

maybe it's just me, but this throws up a big red flag... i can't think of any good reasons to be shooting and riding at the same time.

But I can think of a couple of darn good reasons to be armed while cycling.

1)Dogs. I think a .45 would be the logical endpoint for escalation of force in dealing with a Cujo in a lonely place. Dog biscuit (you may make a friend). A squirt of ammonia across the snout. Then a slug for those that still can't take a hint.

2)Bad people in cars. Ever had someone try to run you off the road? Suppose they come back?

[Gordon]

I quit SERIOUS mtn biking a couple years ago. When I did, however, in remote areas I was know to carry a 14oz Colt Agent .38spl in a triagle shaped zippered heavy duty bag the went around upper tube and filled the forward triangle against the steering stem. These bags were balistic nylon and about $20. Ment to carry patch kits ect. They made for a fast draw while on or off the bike. You don't "loose" your mtn bike, you 'hike-a-bike' . A good mtn bike costs $3000, so you don't let it out of your sight. If you have to have gun on you you take it out on put it in your biking shirt pockets!

[RUT]

>> thinking about ways to mount my handgun on the bike so that I can draw it while riding.<<

And here I always thought living in NH was relatively safe!:)

[OtG]

Khornet-

I've been wondering a bit myself about ccw while riding. I haven't had any real bad experiences, just worried that I'm a bit vulnerable.

I had two ideas:
1: Light gun- Kel-tec, NAA mini-revolver, etc. in a holster in a jersey pocket (This would probably bounce around a bit.)

or

2: If you wear bib shorts (did they make those in the good old days?), you could possibly clip either the gun or a holster to the straps. Maybe even to the waistband of normal shorts.

From the jogging thread, this seemed promising:
http://www.gunblast.com/Kangaroo.htm

It looks to be fairly easy to reach; just lift or unzip your shirt (you do use zippered jerseys, right?) and grab it.

You'd probably want a stainless or parkerized gun to resist corrosion, no matter what you carry.

-Owen

I'm a roadie too. I was born too late to be a retro grouch (yet), but I do love my tubulars and leather saddle.:cool:

[V-fib]

A fanny pack/bellybag would allow multiple carry positions. They are easy to access. :cool:

[gtd]

My concern, too.

I use a Bersa .380 in a handlebar bag. It's OK, but the weight of the bag affects bike handling.

I'm seriously considering a Kel-Tec .32 or .380 in a shoulder holster as nothing else seems to make sense. You need light weight and no danger of self injury (e.g., small of back carry).

Why? Bad dogs, mean drivers, being pushed off of mountain roads and laying for three days with hungry critters . . . . You're pretty much alone on a bike.

[Jim March]

I just finished this post for a motorcycle carry thread on the WA-CCW mailing list. 95% of this is applicable to bicycles, IMHO:

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As another long-term biker, I have some clues as to why Dave Workman's "Flash" would be popular. http://www.defensetactics.com/pages/flash.htm

The three keys on a bike are accessability, comfort and not having the gun add to the crash damage.

In my personal opinion, the gun should be either-hand accessable, or carry two guns. Being deliberately run over is a risk; being able to fight back after that point is a concern...even with one broken arm. That's the only area the Flash is weak.

Comfort...well, appendix-area forward-IWB carry is basically right out, with some exceptions for skinny guys who ride "choppers" or anything else that kicks the torso backwards a bit. Most bikes put people anywhere from upright to leaned forward some, with many folks leaning forward at least some of the time for comfort. (With fairing-less bikes, you can "lean forward" into the wind and "float there" at around 70-80mph depending on clothes, weight, build.)

Crashing:

OK, there's hard-body damage and soft.

People take the most hard crash damage on their sides (shoulders and hips), head, back/spine, knees/elbows, feet/hands. Straight "faceplant slides" are possible but uncommon; "rolling/bouncing" scenarios are more likely. Broken collarbones are REALLY common, among the most common biker injuries, followed by rotator cuff issues.

The most vulnerable soft tissues in the torso are the kidneys, liver and spleen.

Places a gun should NOT be:

1) Straight to the side of the hip. Going down right there is possible. Mind you, the hip bone is pretty tough but concentrating the force on a small point at a revolver cylinder or a semi-auto slide could be trouble.

2) Small of back right across the spine. Flat out, no way in hell. Dave, if you're selling Flashes to bikers, I recommend warning against scooting it that far back. On a VERY small-waisted owner (32" -34" or so belt size) and a full 5" barrel 1911, the Flash shouldn't be worn by bikers in my opinion (it'll get back around there at some point).

3) Horizontal high-mount shoulder rig. Here's why: if you land on your side with the upper arm across the gun, the upper arm bone (tough as is is) can break. Worse, there's a major blood vessel right inside there which can be cut by the jagged arm bone pieces. as long as the gun is vertical and/or a bit lower, the number of degrees of arm swing that cross the gun are acceptably low. Mount it horizontal and high, the arc of arm swing across the gun goes up as does risk. A "best case" scenario is a smaller revolver with the barrel mounted upwards, grip hanging...the shape of the wheelgun should cause an arm pressed against it to "roll sideways" and clear of the piece. A horizontal 1911 is the worst and gets worse the higher it is. These can turn what SHOULD be an easily healed broken collarbone into a smashed upper arm plus the collarbone.

4) High-mount OWB/IWB putting the grip over the kidney. The Flash is good on this point, as the grip is usually lower than normal and away from the kidney. It's one of the safest setups in this general area.

5) Belly-bands that put a gun over the liver. The liver is a HUGE organ across most of the lower right with the spleen nearby. Moving it over to the left puts the left kidney at some risk but it's fairly deep so this isn't too crazy.

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So what's good?

Dave's "Flash" is generally very good, worn right-side or left, with a caveat that smaller folks with bigger guns should be warned against going all the way back across the spine, and *nobody* should adapt it to true SOB. Other than that, the weakness is that it's not very off-hand accessible. It's still the best behind-the-hip biker carry rig made, IWB or OWB.

Fanny packs work OK, except that if possible a lower-leg strap should be used to keep them from swinging up against the liver in a crash. Failing that, wear one to the left side versus right to avoid the liver.

There's a number of "car carry" high-mount crossdraw belt rigs available. These are safer on the left versus right (and this is about where the liver is versus right-or-left-hand issues.

Jacket pockets are usually safe enough. Not very quick though, 'specially with gloves.

Avoid ankle at all cost, as a lot of road crud/wetness flies up there.

There's a number of "low-slung fanny packs" for the biker set. A good example (with pic) is at: http://www.szaboinc.com/otheritems.html ("Side-o-Thigh" modular bag). Others are made for bikers in general and can be converted to gun use with minor work. (Note: the thigh bone is very strong and the legs don't have the mass of the torso. So I don't think this rig would be at high risk of breaking a leg. It can also be set up at the top of the thigh instead of the side.)

Tactically, most bikes can leave cars/trucks for dead. Flat-out running is an
option. Failing that, park behind/between something heavy and fight on foot...bikes are NOT good gun platforms at all. Think of yourself as the kind of late-civil-war cavalry that dismounts to fight on foot :) rather than "charge of the light brigade" crap that'll get you killed in short order.

The big advantage us bikers have is that frequent doses of adrenalin leave us able to cope with the effects better than most folks. (Yes, I'm quite serious - I've been in "overload states" quite often on two wheels, and the post-event shakes have seriously reduced over the years. And the speed with which I jump into that has gone up.)

[Wildalaska]

This came up before.... rather than out of books or articles ask a few armed bikers..

Here in Alaska it is either..

SOB (yes know the arguments against, but everything has advantages/ trade offs,), most carry off the spine...

Or

Fanny pack..or

Uncle Mikes mounted to frame..

or

Shoulder rig...

WildshanksmareAlaska

[Dr.Rob]

http://www.geocities.com/cyclegunlok/gunlok.htm

Heard about this guy from a friend in AZ....

Your results may vary.

[RUT]

I'm sorry, but riding around with an exposed gun like that is a bit ridiculous! No offence to you Dr. Rob.

[mr_dove]

Its no more ridiculous than any other method of open carry. Looks like a good bet.

[pauli]

But I can think of a couple of darn good reasons to be armed while cycling.

oh, i completely agree. i'm just saying you're either on foot using the gun, or on the bike running away. there really shouldn't be a combination of the two.

[CZSteve]

I'm a road biker. A retro-grouch road biker, actually, riding 1980s technology, with 10 speeds, non-index shifters on the down tube, and cotton or silk tubular tires. Oh, and toe clips and cleated riding shoes. And wool riding shorts with real chamois in the seat, the kind you have to grease.

Hey Khornet,
Next you'll be singing the praises of a fine hand crafted steel tubed brazed lug frame.:D
Forgot what it was like w/out index shifters or clips. Don't miss the clips.

When I have time to get out (used to road race before marriage, kids, house, etc...:banghead: ) I carry my Makarov in a Camelback Classic. It has a small zippered pocket that allows for padded protection.

Not the fastest on the draw, but would rather keep my pistol on my person.

[SnWnMe]

IMHO Quick access is hard to pull off when packing for mtn biking. Too many bumps and jars even here in SoCal trails. I stuff mine in a pocket holster then into my H.A.W.G. I don't wanna endo with a piece strapped to me.

I'm no roadie but I would imagine that an Airweight in a zippered jersey pocket would be good?

You guys have gears? One of my rides is an el cheapo Raleigh a rigid singlespeed geared 2:1. I love leather saddles with coil springs(Brooks Flyer).
My retro ride is my steel SyCiP 'tail. www.sycip.com

[Khornet]

My frame is Columbus SP double-butted steel, about ready for its second repainting.

Guess I'll be looking at a small pistol with a little punch, e.g. a little Glock, or maybe a lightweight revolver. I'll be adding weight, but at least it won't be rotating weight.

I've actually had my share of nasty encounters while riding, including one facing three jerks all bigger than me, my bike down in front of me, my back to an oak, and a length of chain in my hands. Lucky for me one jerk came to his senses and dragged his buddies off. But that encounter developed over about 10 miles of road, with them harrassing me from their pickup while I tried to ignore them. Plus I had my wife with me, 5' tall and 98 lb, and I was limited in how fast I could dash away from trouble. I was really longing for a sidearm that day.

If you commute, as I did for years in Boston, St. Louis, and other cities, you'll have your share of run-ins and threats. Almost all go no further than shouting, but sooner or later you'll need backup. Maybe a Ma Deuce mounted on the bars?

[CZSteve]

Plus I had my wife with me, 5' tall and 98 lb, and I was limited in how fast I could dash away from trouble. I was really longing for a sidearm that day.
I also wouldn't want to imagine trying to run in cleated cycling shoes. Puts a different spin (no pun intended) on the 1st option concept of getting out of the area as opposed to using deadly force. Puts your back up against the wall IMO and makes for a stronger argument to carry.
I'll be adding weight, but at least it won't be rotating weight.
Hmm, used to go so far as titanium chainring bolts, hollow-pin chain, and lightweight sew-ups. Still ride sew-ups for the comfort.
Now, with age and an addtional 20 lbs around the mid-section; a 27 oz pistol is irrevelant. :uhoh:
Especially when I'm towing a 30 lb kid in a trailor. :)

[Mr. Mysterious]

OT, but why go retro with road cycling?

I ride a mtn bike, mainly on the greenways around Indy usually no more than 15-20 miles two or three times a week...but I can't understand the retro thing?

[Khornet]

I began racing in the 1970s, and bought my current road bike in 1982. I've never seen the need to change it, or my cycling clothes, or the type of rims/tires I use. So I'm retro not in the sense of going back in technologic time, but in not having gone forward.

Road bikes because there *weren't* any mountain bikes when I started, and because they're sleek, fast, light, nimble, sexy machines. Nothing quite like being in a 14-man pace line and having to ride down the double yellow lines to pass cars. Nothing like the sound (angry hornets) of a racing pack going by. It's just cool as hell.

[Mr. Mysterious]

I'm not knocking road cycling, in fact I would love to get a road bike...but that will come later, when I graduate college in a year and can afford the bike that I want. I just wonder why not try some of the newest technology stuff...

[SnWnMe]

MM, retro comes to a cyclist the same way it comes to some shooters. Once every wundernine and tactical gee-gaw is "been there done that", it's nice to go back to the basics.

Been through my aluminium hardtail uphill rocket phase (Cannondale F series, Specialized Stumpjumper), now I will only ride steel frames. Heavier but cushier. You guys can wait for me at the top of the climb :)

Steel is real.

[10mmman]

Jandd FFP:
fits on front of frame "below the top tube and behind the head tube. "
Bowser Banaca & a poodle shooter (Guardian Pepper Spray & A Kel-tek) ride in mine- quick to access while mounted, easy to take off if leaving the bike.

http://www.jandd.com/search_results.asp?txtsearchParamTxt=&txtsearchParamCat=3&txtsearchParamType=ALL&txtsearchParamMan=ALL&txtsearchParamVen=ALL&txtFromSearch=fromSearch&iLevel=2&subcat=5

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[Khornet]

I've thought about that. I have one on my bike to carry a spare tubular.

But a Kel-Tec? Do I really have to carry one of those? What if my friend find out?

[Diamondback]

This one is easy : fanny pack. Don't ever try to shoot while riding.........ask any bike patrol officer in any large city...or any motorcycle cop. Nearly every threat while riding can be averted by just continuing on. It's unlikely a BG will chase after you on bike and a western style shootout would occur. Just have a small and efficient gun in a padded fanny pack.......... and then enjoy your rides !

[CZSteve]

But a Kel-Tec? Do I really have to carry one of those? What if my friend find out?
How about a reason to pick-up a Makarov if you don't have one already, kinda a 'retro' handgun :rolleyes: Sorry, I'll go stand in a corner now.
Realize the Mak is on the heavy side, but look at it like a batter adding the donut weight to his bat for warming-up. Used to practice w/ my heavy clincher wheel/tire set and ride lighweight tubulars for races.
Nothing quite like being in a 14-man pace line and having to ride down the double yellow lines to pass cars. Nothing like the sound (angry hornets) of a racing pack going by. It's just cool as hell.
OT: Couldn't agree more. When everyone is clicking and in tune it is an awsome feeling.

[marley]

I carry a g-26 in a fanny pack. It works for me. I let it ride low over my butt. I agree that steel is real and would belive that khornet has a 1911. I belive that the old and new mixed together is best. Wool jerseys lycra shorts. I use look cleats and running is not an option. Shouts usually work for dogs. I worry about cars on long deserted roads. Stopping to have words (or more) with me. Patrick

[Tom C.]

I am planning a cross country bike trip that will probably occur next year. I am less concerned about incidents while on the road, and more concerned about possible incidents while camping in remote areas. On long trips in the past, I have carried a Ruger 101 and a Beretta Model 21. I thought the Ruger was a little heavy and the Beretta too small. I have gotten a S&W Model 360 Kit gun in .357. I have shot it enough to get used to it, without beating it or myself up too much. I haven't decided how to carry it. In the past I carried the gun in a pannier side pocket. I am considering a fanny pack or a pocket on a Camel back.
The only incident I had on the road was while riding the West Coast route. There is an area north of Bodega Bay where the road rises to about 700' above sea level, and there is a sheer cliff just next to the right side white line. It was mid afternoon and I was hot and tired, and scared riding next to the cliff. Two guys pulled in front of me and stopped. They slid out of their truck and started to come at me. I stopped and stood up on the bike. When they saw me, (6'3" and 300 lbs) they changed their minds. Lucky for me they were both munchkins. I was wearing old fashioned bike shoes with plastic cleats. They are not much fun to walk in, much less fight. I have finally changed out my pedals now and wear cleated mountain bike shoes I can walk in.

[Carlos]

Well, I always wanted to mount a holster to my Mountain Bike, too.

However, I carry OWB, right side, concealed, 45 1911, works great.

[Captain Bligh]

I do 16-20 miles/day about 4 or 5 times a week. Part of my ride is through a secluded river greenway that has limited access. That is to say that you can be miles from an entrance or exit point. There have been some serious crime incidents along this greenway: assaults, robberies, and rapes. So whenever I ride, I carry.

As others have said, I think carrying on the bike is a bad idea. Someone gives you a bum rush and knocks you off the bike, they may end up with your bike and your gun, or worse still you are separated from you gun when you might need to use it.

I carry a .357 in a fanny pack. That way if I get knocked off the bike, I still have it with me for defensive purposes and to keep it from falling into the wrong hands.

RJ

[Luis Leon]

I ride my bicycle alot and have had the same problem. If I want it on my person, I use a small fanny pack, just for the gun. Sometimes I'll put it into a pannier. On today's ride it went into the main compartment of a small rack trunk.

When my wife and I ride the tandem, she has access to the fanny pack on my back... for those times when we have to shoot while riding, she's blasting away while I'm steering with no hands and my fingers in my ears, and controlling the bicycle...:rolleyes:

Just kidding about the shooting while riding.

Regards,

Luis Leon

[git_r_dun0405]

I ride wearing a waist band bag or fanny pack.

[lbmii]

I used to keep a .25 in a tool bag straped to the top tube. But now my thought is that it is highly probable that one would get seperated from the bike in a hostile situation. I now cary a Kel Tech .380 on my person. I wear baggy shorts that have a lower zippered pocket and keep the Kel Tech zippered up.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=1023578

[Roadkill]

I ride fairly frequently, best for me is either a Walther PP or a Charter .38 Undercover model in a small holster attached to the center of the handlebars concealed by the bicycle bag. It has a front pouch for an extra magazine or ten loose .38 rounds, can't see it unless you look, and is very accessible. I've had to draw once and actually shoot, otherwise is more for comfort. I ride in very isolated areas.

rk

[AK103K]

I ride a road bike pretty much every day I can and I use a couple of Camel Baks, the Blowfish and the Mule for both extra hydration, carrying tubes and some tools, and my Commander with a reload. With one of the cheapie IWB clip on holsters inside the outside back zip pocket, the pistol is secure and doesnt flop around or wear on the pack or pocket bottom, and with the pack between me and the gun, my back has some protection from the gun should I go down on it. Its not the fastest thing to get to this way, but I do have it with me and its faster than you might think. You just need to adapt your techniques to it and think of how you will get to it. The Camel Bak is very low keyed and in no way looks like you have a gun. Most mountain bikers, and more and more road bikers around here are wearing one these days, so it fits right in. Its also functional all by itself, so its not dead weight.

[mikey357]

Well, it's been YEARS since I've ridden, but I DO have one piece of advice...whatever your chosen method of carry, make SURE it is SECURE...a fellow I work with used to ride all the time...even the 12 or so miles from his house to work...after work and around his neighborhood, he had taken to carrying his lil' MAK in a "Cheapie" nylon clip-on holster...AFTER a ride one day, as he was dismounting in his garage, the pistol and holster "Slipped" out of his belt and hit the concrete garage floor...now, Dave has a hole in his calf to remind him of why a CHEAP holster can really be awfully EXPENSIVE!!!....mikey357

[patentmike]

Seems like somebody should make a cycling jersey with a ccw pocket, maybe high on the chest. A recognizeable logo like "S&W" on the back might be a nice caution to drivers as well.

[oweno]

The actually was a round designed specifically for you guys on bikes, the 5.5mm Velo Dog. Picture a .22 centerfire round and an el-cheapo revolver to go with it and you've got it.

"Velo" stood for 'velocopede' (sp?); "dog" stood for, well, "dog".


The idea was that when you were doing your century out in the country and the local dog came after you, you'd blaze away with your little revolver and all'd be well.

I suppose you'd have a bit of trouble finding either a gun chambered for this round or, for that matter, the ammo itself and, further, I suppose that these days people would take a dim view of its intended use but there you have it.

Owen

[JamisJockey]

Don't put it on the bike. Shooting while you are riding will be very difficult and if you have to leave the bike suddenly you won't have the gun.
I agree.
Or, what if you're knocked off the bike, say by a road-raging motorist or a dog?

First, we need to ascertain the type of riding you're going to be doing. Serious long distance training or shorter distance residential riding? Mountain or road?
What kind of clothing? All my stuff is very tight fitting clothing made for cycling.
If you're going to be wearing a loose fitting tshirt or a mountain bike type jersey, a bellyband holster might be in order.
If your clothing will be a bit more tight fitting, consider a nylon fannypack. I see alot of recreational cyclists wearing these anyways, it won't be out of place. There is always the Camelbak Day Trekker (http://www.camelbak.com/rec/cb_prod.cfm?catid=6&product_id=211&selector=true).

BTW, I never carry while riding. Its one situation where I'm going to rely 100% on my wits and my legs to get me out of any situation.

Anyone up for a 40miler today? We're going up Traverse ridge....3 miles, 10% average gradient. Missed out on yesterday's Criterium, I pinched a nerve.


As for what gun....I'd say go for a lightweight .357 revolver.

[lee n. field]

The actually was a round designed specifically for you guys on bikes, the 5.5mm Velo Dog. Picture a .22 centerfire round and an el-cheapo revolver to go with it and you've got it.

I think Old West Scrounger actually has Velo Dog.

[joe sixpack]

Originally posted by Dr Rob:
http://www.geocities.com/cyclegunlok/gunlok.htm

Click the above.

I wonder if that thing rotates ala a James Bondish rig. If so how about
a new version of jousting - bicycle style.

cheers, ab

ps: is my sense of humor just whack? I seem to be missing. Guess you had to be there (my mind;)

[marley]

I want to do an IDPA stage with a 300 meter sprint and then shoot. Talk about your fine moter skills going down hill. You could do it on a trainer. Patrick