Springfield Armory WWII Micro Compact


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rdenisj
May 19, 2004, 07:58 AM
Was browsing SA's website and saw one, and really liked the looks of it with a great price to match. Does anyone own one? I have heard that the full size WWII guns are great, but how about the Micro Compact?

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Lone_Gunman
May 19, 2004, 08:17 AM
J A M _O_ M A T I C

jpthegeek
May 19, 2004, 10:45 AM
Echo that sentiment!

Also have one of their Officers 1911 and it is not the most reliable firearm in the world either.

jpthegeek

George Hill
May 19, 2004, 12:01 PM
Not as much as you think.

A small .45 can be very reliable.

tommytrauma
May 19, 2004, 04:58 PM
After months of tryng to troubleshoot my milspec micro under warranty, SA finally just replaced it with the slightly longer compact. The shorter a .45 is, the more common problems are. SA told me thet problems / returns were much more common with the micros than with their larger brothers.

wally
May 19, 2004, 08:51 PM
I have a Kimber Ultra Carry and Para P10 both are very reliable.

Have a Springfield Micro Compact wide body (basically a PO P12 clone) and its JAM-O-MATIC.

IMHO be very afraid of SA smaller than commander sized guns

--wally.

corruptone
May 19, 2004, 09:00 PM
I would have to say that not ALL SA compacts that are shorter in length than a commander are unreliable. I have a SA 'Loaded' Ultra Compact LW (3.5" barrel) that has been extremely reliable. Matter of fact, I would estimate that I've put close to 500 rounds through it so far without one single hitch of any kind. Mine is basically stock except the trigger group and a WC guide rod. I'm not saying that the all Ultra Compacts are 100% reliable either, just that mine is.

stans
May 19, 2004, 09:03 PM
The smaller the slide and barrel, the less reliable, at least for the 1911 design. 4 1/4 inches is the shortest barrel that will work with a barrel bushing. 4 inch and shorter guns work better with bull barrels and no bushings, although Colt's Officers ACP used a very thin bushing and a bull barrel and it seemed to be pretty reliable, at least until the bushing broke.

The ultra short 1911's can be made reliable, usually, but it may take a lot of work. A good compromise between reliability and concealability is a Commander slide mated to an Officers ACP size frame. Colt made these for a very short period of time and called them the CCO.

rgillis
May 20, 2004, 07:44 AM
Does anyone out there still make a 1911 with a commander size slide and an officers frame, at least one that won't break the bank?

George Hill
May 20, 2004, 01:30 PM
Caspian will sell you a matched/fitted Slide and Frame, but you have to build it up from there.

Lone_Gunman
May 20, 2004, 01:55 PM
Does anyone out there still make a 1911 with a commander size slide and an officers frame, at least one that won't break the bank?

Wilson makes one, the Stealth they call it. Its only about $2500, just chump change. :D

1911Tuner
May 20, 2004, 02:19 PM
Have to go along with the general wisdom that the chopped 1911 variants
are more likely to have functional problems out of box. They can be made to run, but are sometimes a pain until ya hit the sweet spot...and that
spot varies from gun to gun.

I also go along with the part that not ALL short pistols are unreliable. I've
seen some that are flawless...but the chances of getting a good one are
less than compared to a 5-inch gun.

Rule 1:

The farther from original design parameters you stray, the more persnickety it gets. No gettin' around it.

Luck!

Tuner

Ninj500
May 20, 2004, 04:57 PM
Be careful, general wisdom is kinda like commons sense. What appears to be true or what everyone says is true isn't always the case.

I've had two Springfields with smaller than 4" bbls and each was utterly reliable and one full size that jammed each time out. So in my mind that means the full size guns are unrealiable, right?

I know that's not true and I'm having fun with this but the fact is the smaller guns are getting better and better. Don't be scared off by what you hear on the gun boards.

Everyone has good intentions but there are some out there that say things to sound like they know something when they really don't.

This is not directed at any of the posts that went on to qualify their statements about smaller guns, just those that automatically dismiss chopped 1911's without any solid piece of evidence.

1911Tuner
May 20, 2004, 05:40 PM
:D

Ninj500
May 20, 2004, 05:56 PM
Very nice. :D

1911Tuner
May 21, 2004, 06:29 AM
I'll get back to this one later on today with an explanation as to why
the chopped pistols are more prone to functional issues than the 5-inch guns. Even some Commanders can be a little finicky, and it's all about
timing and the slide's mass/speed/momentum characteristics.

Stay tuned! (Pun intended):cool:

Tuner

71Commander
May 21, 2004, 09:21 AM
My 3-1/2" SA micro (widebody) was a pain in the Butt until about the 1000 round mark. Also it is particullar to the 230 FMJ. Havn't had a hiccup in the last 500 rounds, so maybe I have found the right combo.

stans
May 21, 2004, 04:05 PM
Does anyone out there still make a 1911 with a commander size slide and an officers frame, at least one that won't break the bank?

Dan Wesson is comming out with a CCO gun in 45 ACP and supposedly in 10mm as well.

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