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one45auto
May 19, 2004, 01:15 PM
I'd like to relate a cautionary tale so that those who may find themselves in similar circumstances will know what to do. Briefly, the facts are these.


Two weeks ago I spotted a used Smith&Wesson model 625 on an Internet website and contacted the seller to arrange the sale. Per proper procedure I notified my FFL dealer and provided the seller with all the necessary information - the dealers' name, street address, telephone number, and hours of operation. I then obtained a cashiers check for the full amount including shipping and sent it straight away via Priority Mail. As is my custom in such cases, I used my post office box as the return address since I am not a trusting soul when it comes to giving total strangers my actual address.


Three days later, after confirming that payment had indeed been received, I again wrote to ask whether he had contacted my dealer in order to obtain an estimated shipping date. However he promptly replied to say that the gun had already gone out that morning and would likely arrive by the end of the week. I thought no more of it and resigned myself to patience, since those of us in Maryland are accustomed to waiting for our firearms. :rolleyes:

On the following Saturday I went to the post office to collect my mail on the offhand chance that a DVD I'd ordered from e-Bay had arrived and was delighted to see a parcel slip in my box. However my enthusiasm soon turned to controlled panic when I collected the package and saw the seller's name on the box. As unbelievable as it may seem, he'd mailed the gun directly to me by using the return address on the Priority envelope! :eek: Naturally I gave nothing away and accepted the delivery as though it were an ordinary parcel, but once in the safety of my car I was a nervous wreck. The instant I arrived home I opened the box and sure enough, there was the gun. Great...just great. Now what was I going to do??

I spent an uneasy weekend wondering whether I were the potential victim of some ATF sting operation or just an innocent spectator of someone else's circus of stupidity. This individual had certainly stepped in some manure and tracked it all over my proverbial carpeting, but worse still I wasn't sure to what extent my own shoes had now been soiled by accepting the delivery - but then what could I have done? After thinking it over I resolved that first thing Monday morning I would take the gun straight to my FFL dealer and ask their advice. As planned, I was in the shop shortly after they opened the doors whereupon I carefully explained the situation to them. They likewise gave the matter some thought and suggested that I take it to the nearest State Police facility to register it.

After thanking them for their help I drove straight down to the State Police barracks where I was met with the utmost courtesy. The officer patiently listened to my story and then gave me the forms (4473) to fill out. Afterwards he examined the gun and filled in the necessary information (make, model, serial number, etc.) before giving me two copies of each to keep with the gun. He was extremely friendly and told me to go ahead and retain the gun unless it turned up stolen, in which case he'd naturally have to come and collect it. I told him I'd expect no less and would hold onto the sellers name and personal information for two weeks just in case he should need it. We shook hands and I drove home feeling better than I had in days now that that weight was lifted from my shoulders - whew! To top it all off, it turns out that there's no charge for background checks when you voluntarily register. :D

So, all's well that ends well but beware - not everyone out there seems to be paying close attention to detail and despite explicit instructions wires can and do get crossed.

Pappy John
May 19, 2004, 01:48 PM
I wasn't aware that the S.P. could take care of those type of situations. That's good info to know.

sturmruger
May 19, 2004, 01:58 PM
I would have been a nervous wreck as well. The only other I can think of doing is after you found out that your gun was at the PO you could have asked your dealer to go with you to the post office to pick it up. Then you would have been 100% legal.

Black Majik
May 19, 2004, 02:38 PM
this may be a dumb question, but why couldn't your FFL dealer do the transaction after you brought the gun to him? Wouldn't that be just like having the gun arrive at his place? The FFL has the 4473 forms to fill out too dont they?

Just curious thats all... :)

DigMe
May 19, 2004, 04:55 PM
He was extremely friendly and told me to go ahead and retain the gun unless it turned up stolen, in which case he'd naturally have to come and collect it.

That's what they always say right before the jack-boots come kick your door in. :evil:

brad cook

one45auto
May 19, 2004, 05:30 PM
I would have been a nervous wreck as well. The only other I can think of doing is after you found out that your gun was at the PO you could have asked your dealer to go with you to the post office to pick it up. Then you would have been 100% legal.

I asked about that, but they couldn't have taken possession of it even then because it did not come from a dealer, thus I had no sales receipt. (Besides, my Post Office is some twenty-five miles or more from the dealer's store - they wouldn't have made the drive.) By the way, this is also the answer to your question Black Majik, because unless a firearm transfer originates from an FFL dealer there is no paper trail and dealers will not touch guns without a record.

That's what they always say right before the jack-boots come kick your door in. :evil:

Jack-boot my backside - that State Trooper was more polite and gun-friendly than any of the County Police officers I've met. (There was another Trooper there on private business and he was equally friendly and sympathetic.) Besides, if the gun turns out to be stolen I won't want it - so they're welcome to claim it. All they have to do is ring the doorbell.

Plinkerton
May 19, 2004, 07:24 PM
I wish that would happen to the gun I just ordered! :D

I'm sick of waiting for it at my dealer's store! I get to walk in and visit it, and then leave without it. It's like visiting hours at the gun jail! :(

Spot77
May 19, 2004, 10:05 PM
HOLY CRAP! That guy that mailed that to you IS AN IDIOT! A freakin' P.O. BOX???!!!

I agree with you about the state police - Chaim and I made a transaction at the Jessup barracks last year and the trooper that assisted us was 100% courteous, efficient, and downright friendly. I didn't know they would only accept checks or money orders for the background check fee (and of course, this is the one time I actually had CASH only with me), so the trooper directed me to a local place that doled out free money orders, and our transaction was completed in minutes.

Right now, me likes the MSP......:D

BluesBear
May 20, 2004, 08:47 AM
they couldn't have taken possession of it even then because it did not come from a dealer Is that a State law where you are?
Because according to Federal law a dealer surely can accept an out of state firearm from a non-dealer. The receiving dealer does, however, need enough information to confirm the identity of the sender to be able to enter it into their bound book. Usually a photocopy of the senders state issued photo ID is enough.



As for the PO Box part, one of my local dealers uses both their physical address and a PO Box. Both address shw up on their license. I have to tell people to use the street address and NOT the PO Box. But some people just can't read and they send it to the PO Box. The problem is that they only check the PO Box every other day or so.

one45auto
May 20, 2004, 04:30 PM
BluesBear,

I don't know if it's actually a State law or not, however I strongly suspect that it has something to do with the law that went into effect last year requiring that all handguns sold in Maryland be equipped with an internal safety lock. It is still possible to have a gun made before 2003 shipped into Maryland for purchase, but clearly they want some proof regarding its date of manufacture and in that case a prior record of sale would prove invaluable.

Just my two cents.

Standing Wolf
May 20, 2004, 09:45 PM
I spent an uneasy weekend wondering whether I were the potential victim of some ATF sting operation or just an innocent spectator of someone else's circus of stupidity.

Agent Schmuckatelli would never stoop to such behavior.

one45auto
May 21, 2004, 12:56 AM
I agree with you about the state police - Chaim and I made a transaction at the Jessup barracks last year and the trooper that assisted us was 100% courteous, efficient, and downright friendly.

Spot77,

That's where I went also - the Jessup Waterloo barracks, since it's right down the road from Columbia. I'd never been there before but luckily I parked right in front of the firearms division so it was the first building I went into. I agree with you one hundred percent. I'll take the State Troopers over the Howard County Police any day.

By the way, when I first explained to the woman behind the counter that I wanted to register a handgun she misunderstood and handed me the concealed handgun permit form instead. What a tease! Too bad I'm not a jewelry salesman, a bodyguard, or have had some life-threatening letters, otherwise I might've stood a chance. :(