Went into the gunshop to specifically look at a....


Black Majik
May 19, 2004, 03:58 PM

As many know.. I mainly shoot 1911's. I love "metal" guns, the weight, the pointablility and the feel of a gun not feeling like a toy. But... I admit, me being a hardcore 1911 person, I have this polymer itch that is dying to be scratched. I also saw the new P99's, pretty ugly from the older P99's. the slide has S&W labeled on them, a honkin' long external extractor, and the half cut rear slide serrations. Blah.

So, a while ago I shot a Glock 23 .40 because I also have a .40 niche that I want to fill. The compact size felt really good in my hand, and I really enjoyed the size. My groupings weren't too great, and the recoil hurt. It felt like the polymer grip wasn't absorbing the recoil very well.

But nonetheless... I didn't write it off yet. I still want a polymer gun, and most possibly a Glock.

I've checked out the SA XD's, they shoot better for me, the trigger pulls better, but for some reason the service size 4" doesn't really do much to make my heart race. I did look into a 3" subcompact, but I think I'm gonna go for the Kahr PM9 to fill the polymer pocketpistol niche.

I dunno what is making me intrigued by the Glock. I usually find it ugly, but I want one. Its unexplainable... I'm having a hard time finding the right words to explain how I feel. It maybe the reliability record it has, and the tough finish, and its reputation, and the cult that has following.

Maybe its because people like gudel went from a 1911 to a Glock, so... I can possibly like it too.

Now.... my dilemna. My 9mm pistol is a Sig P226 (currently at the gunsmith cuz I dropped it open chambered and bent the slidestop). The .40 recoil hurts to shoot for me, so theres the 19. But I remember the first time (back in sept.) when I was re-introduced to shooting we rented the Glock 19 and Sig P226. I shot the Sig much better.

But now... I just gotta find a reason to get a Glock I guess. Cuz, as little need as I have for one... I want one.

So... who has the best prices for Glock 23's and 19's in Orange County. Anyone remember the sale price for the 19's at Turners? The price they're asking now is $529.00

Actually, now I think about it... because I was talking to the guy for a long time... its the longest I've ever fondled a gun at a gunshop, and I liked it! :D

Well, I'm gonna go look around Orange County to do some price shopping, maybe stop by On Target before class to shoot a Glock.

I cant believe I wrote a post about liking Glocks. What a Kodak moment. :)

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May 19, 2004, 04:14 PM
Why don't you look at a 10mm since Glock seems to be one of the only manufacturers making them lately.

May 19, 2004, 04:15 PM
If you want to get a polymer pistol and still respect yourself in the morning, try the SA XD40 again, this time in Tactical 5" - I have this gun and it's great!

May 19, 2004, 04:41 PM
I have a 2nd generation Glock 23 that has made a great hiking gun; lightweight, decent caliber and 26 rounds with a spare mag. I like this gun although it is far from my favorite. The funny thing about it is, that it was my wife that talked me into getting it, and she doesn't like guns at all.:uhoh: But knowing how much I like them she said "you've got to have one because everyone else is getting one and they are the latest thing". So off I went and decided on the 23 because it was also the hot caliber at the time to get and felt best in my hand. Glocks have a strange appeal to me in their simplicity and the fact that they seem to actually work.;)

May 19, 2004, 05:09 PM
Have you taken a look at the SigPro? :D


It comes in either 9mm or .40S&W, has an excellent trigger and is quite ergonomic. AND, I've seen them around for $399. What a deal!


The Rabbi
May 19, 2004, 06:40 PM
At first I thought I just didnt like Glocks because they were Glocks. Then I shot an HK 9 and realized I just dont like polymer framed guns. The vibration through the plasti--oops, "high tech super strength polymer material" just doesnt feel like steel or aluminum. Then I shot a Styer 9mm. I really liked the Steyr. It looks odd and has a weird looking sight but if you can get beyond that they shoot very well and are extrememly reasonable, like 2/3rds a Glock. I have not shot the .40S&W version.

May 19, 2004, 09:19 PM
If you really want a plastic gun and .40 S&W take a look at the CZ P01. Basically a CZ75B with a polymer frame and shorter barrel/slide.

My Kahr PM40 is one of my three favorite carry pieces.

I've a Glock 17 and 21, I'd rate them amoung my least favorite guns.


May 19, 2004, 09:57 PM
The lowest price I've seen at Turner's for Glocks is $489.

The Glock is a superb tool, and in your heart you know that. Fear not, everyone should have one--or more than one. I like and trust mine (more than one) but prefer shooting my 1911s. If I had just one shot I'd take my Colt or Kimber but for a long slog thrugh Hell I'd be pretty happy with a Glock at my side.

May 19, 2004, 10:13 PM
Go for the Springfield Xd unless you get a glock in 10mm

Black Majik
May 19, 2004, 10:16 PM
Thanks guys for the responses,

Well... I shot the Glock 23 again, and this time it wasn't as harsh as I remembered it. Before my hand actually hurt from shooting it... it felt like swinging an aluminum bat really hard at a telephone pole.

This time, the recoil didn't hurt as much. It still had a snappy recoil regardless. I tried to actually concentrate more on my shooting. I think before I shot worse because I didn't expect much outta it, and truthfully... I felt Glocks to be inferior so I didn't wanna perform well with it. :o

Today, I truly really enjoyed my experience. I concentrated, and set the sillhouette target out to the 10 yrd line. I had to get used to the Glock since the grip angle and trigger isn't something I was used to. Line up the sights, and squeeze off the round. Dead center headshot. Wow, I even took out the "5" number for the point system on the 2nd shot. :eek:

After about 25 rounds, and getting somewhat used to it I retracted the target to look at it. 10 yrds, not very far at all but I wanted to get used to it. All my shots except one was either in the head, or center mass "bullseye".

Next target I drew the target out to 20 yrds, and got a few headshots, a few center mass "bullseyes" and a few rds peppered around the neck and chest areas. Not nearly as good as my 10 yarder for obvious reasons, but I could tell this guns got some serious potential!

After the range trip, all I did was think about the Glock in class. I even fell asleep in class and thought about having a Glock pistol. :p

A few things, I think I never gave polymer pistols a chance. First time I shot the Glock was a 19 and next to the 9mm P226. The sig felt better in every way, and left the glock far behind. Then was the USP, fat grip, and those front/backstraps are sharp! I didn't do too well with that gun. Later I tried a SA XD9 and I did pretty well with it. Shot good groups and felt comfortable in my hand. Only thing is, its pretty chunky width wise. So those experiences made me decide my preference were towards the metal guns.

Then I read about all these polymer guns on sites like these, and how people just need to get used to them. True, after my initial experiences, I never did really look back again and give them a chance.

So, off to shopping I went. I looked around at a few stores to see prices. My gun range can get the 23 for $519, Turners has em' for $529, and the Fowler-Stockade chain has em' for $595! :eek: :mad:

I guess the Glock 23 might be next on my list, but list fluctuates heavily. Its all about the more I read about something, the more I want it. I've gone from wanting one thing to wanting another to another, it just depends on when I find a good deal on a gun.

Now, anyway to made that trigger any better? Seriously, maybe I need to get used to it... but it doesn't even feel like a trigger, it feels so spongy.

Oh well, I guess my main dilemna is whether I really want a Glock or whether its a phaze. I hope its both because I dont have money for another gun, but yet I do want a Glock. :D

May 19, 2004, 10:29 PM
If you really want a plastic gun and .40 S&W take a look at the CZ P01. Basically a CZ75B with a polymer frame and shorter barrel/slide.
Hate to take exception with a fellow THR member, but the P-01 does not have a polymer frame nor is it available in 40S&W. :neener:

But for an alloy-framed 9mm it's pretty tough to beat. :p

George Hill
May 20, 2004, 12:05 AM
"I've checked out the SA XD's, they shoot better for me, the trigger pulls better, but for some reason the service size 4" doesn't really do much to make my heart race. "

If you didn't have the other guns... the heart race thing wouldn't matter.

May 20, 2004, 12:43 AM
If a Glock makes your heart race then it don't take much.:D

The XD was a better all around experience for you, but it is marginally wider and doesn't make you weak in the knees, so you still have an urgent need for a Glock?

It must be love, otherwise that outcome is inexplicable in a defensive tool selection.:D

May 20, 2004, 12:44 AM
Scratch that itch with a USPc in .40.

May 20, 2004, 02:57 PM
just go get whatcha want. same next month. and the month after...
I'm the same way, if I want it, I buy it.

May 20, 2004, 03:21 PM
Have you considered a Steyr Pistol? I just picked up a Steyr M9 on Tuesday and I love it. It's got all the features and quality of a glock for half the price. Mine feels great and fits my hand like it was molded around it and the triangular sights are very easy to use. CDNN has them in both fullsize (M models) and compact (S models) in .40, 9mm and .357 sig for $279-$299. You can't beat that.


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