[Daedalus]

Something that just struck me, is not the sunset of the AWB the first nonviolent return of gun rights to the people from the government in history?

Maybe this democracy thing works after all :D

[Lone_Gunman]

Do you really think it will be gone forever???

It will be resurrected as a rider on "essential" legislation in the next presidential term, no matter who is in office at the time.

[natedog]

Well, the 1986 GOPA did help us some, but also included that ugly clause that ended the lawful registration of machine guns :barf: .

[boofus]

It isn't too late for the shooting to start. I wouldn't put it past the .2% of a million moms to go out and incite violence to put the stink on gun owners before Sept. :barf:

[Mulliga]

Not a "return of gun rights" - the end of illegal restrictions on those inalienable rights...:D

We do have to be wary. Feinswine is going to try to cram this crap down our throats.

[atek3]

At the state level. Moving from no-issue to shall issue is a partial restoration of gun rights. AK is the only state to go no issue to vermont carry, I know of.
japan has liberalized its gun laws. After WWII no guns, period. Now you can own bolt action rifles and shotguns WITH LOTS OF HOOPS (harder than england and australia)

atek3

[Standing Wolf]

Do you really think it will be gone forever?

Like lots of other bad ideas, it'll probably return.

[Boats]

boofus--

You are giving the MMM* too much credit. Their turnout on Mothers Day equals 0.002 of a Million. I am probably giving them too much credit too, since they are united with the Bradys.

*+/- 998,000 moms.

[M1911Owner]

0.2% = 0.002

[Treylis]

As long as people keep compromising by voting for folks who don't fully support gun rights, it'll be back, and with a vengeance.

[Foreign Devil]

You know I think our own side should slip in pro gun riders on essential legislation.

[Mulliga]

I suppose you can't just slip in riders whenever you like - each amendment carries with it a lot of political capital. I suspect Teddy and his ilk lost a lot in strongarming the Senate during S.1805.

[HankB]

I think our own side should slip in pro gun riders Who, exactly, is "our own side?"

The Kennedys and Schumers and Clintons and Kerrys and Boxers and Feinsteins and most of the Democratic party are philosophically against private gun ownership, and would try to take ALL of them whether or not the VPC, Brady bunch, and Million (less 998,000) Moms existed.

It's a rare politician who will support RKBA without our holding his feet to the fire constantly.

[GSB]

I agree with some of the others that it'll be back eventually, probably in an even more onerous and permanent form (banning even look-alike ARs, FALs, AKs, etc and making even pre-ban hi caps illegal for sale). I plan on getting while the getting's good next year. Unfortunately, the wish list is long and the bank account finite.

[Bartholomew Roberts]

You know I think our own side should slip in pro gun riders on essential legislation.

We did. The Tiarht Amendment restricted the NICS system from keeping records of lawful approved purchases more than 24 hours and was passed as a rider. Tiahrt is a Kansas Republican.

It also would have allowed FFLs to operate without a storefront and undone much of the Clinton era restrictions on FFLs; but those provisions were stripped out in committee by Rep. Frank Wolf (R-VA).

[rick_reno]

We did. The Tiarht Amendment restricted the NICS system from keeping records of lawful approved purchases more than 24 hours and was passed as a rider. Tiahrt is a Kansas Republican.

I'm sure this is a good amendment - but something I continually wonder about is - assuming NICS is all computerized - what is the backup schedule and retention of the data associated with it? Does "no keeping records" include their database backup media?

[BrokenPaw]

It isn't too late for the shooting to start. I wouldn't put it past the .2% of a million moms to go out and incite violence to put the stink on gun owners before Sept. It just occured to me: Ivory Soap is 99.44% pure (according to their advertizements). 100.00 - 99.44 == 0.56.

Therefore, there are almost three times as many impurities (by volume) in Ivory Soap as there are actual Moms in the "Million Mom March".

Someone with more talent than I needs to turn that into a poster, somehow. Oleg? "The Million Mom March: Nonsense that's even purer than Ivory Soap." Or something that wouldn't get Proctor&Gamble's landsharks all a-twist.

-BP

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Does "no keeping records" include their database backup media?

Check this link from Neal Knox for more detail:
http://www.shotgunnews.com/knox/knox.dog?file=2004031.htm&tissue=2004031

-- Prohibit BATF from releasing unredacted dealer reports of multiple handgun purchases -- which contain the names of individuals like me who have purchased more than one handgun when they found a bargain or while a one-day state purchase permit was valid.



-- Prohibit release of firearms trace info which contains a legal buyer and dealer’s name, to prevent more misleading farces like Handgun Control Inc.’s “dirty dealers” lists or the recent near-libelous “Americans for Gun Safety” list of “suppliers of crime guns.”



-- Require BATF to explain the nature of gun traces, such as the fact that a high number of traces to a dealer probably indicates only a high volume of sales, or that the dealer’s location is near a high crime area, or near a police department which routinely performs a trace on all guns that come to their attention, or one which performs traces on recovered stolen guns to return them to lawful owners.

-- Kill a still-pending Clinton Administration proposed rule requiring a complete annual physical inventory of dealer’s firearms, saving dealers’ time and their customers’ money.



Unfortunately, two other important House and Senate-approved Tiahrt provisions were killed in conference by Rep. Frank Wolf (R-Va.)

You can also find the full text and vote of the bill here (H.R. 2673 on January 22):
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_108_2.htm

However, it is an Omnibus Appropriations Bill and is simply huge. I looked for five minutes trying to answer your question and couldn't even find the section relating to NICS.

[Lone_Gunman]

We did. The Tiarht Amendment restricted the NICS system from keeping records of lawful approved purchases more than 24 hours and was passed as a rider.



Come on, that is not exactly a victory. Simply limiting an anti-2nd amendment law with a rider that makes it slightly less bad can't really be considered a victory.

[longeyes]

It just occured to me: Ivory Soap is 99.44% pure (according to their advertizements). 100.00 - 99.44 == 0.56.

And we share about the same percentage of our genetic inheritance with the chimps. Small differences can be crucial.:D

[flatrock]

It will be resurrected as a rider on "essential" legislation in the next presidential term, no matter who is in office at the time.

I seems to me like there's a lot of "essential" legislation that we'd be better off without anyway. If the senate wants to keep attaching it to legislation, then I suspect that there won't be a lot of legislation passed.

Since we already have way too many laws, that's not an entirely bad thing.

[Partisan Ranger]

Every few years, some genius bureaucrat wants to try price controls or rent controls. They have falied every single time for, oh, 1000 years?

Useless gun laws are no different.

Some idiots are absolutely impervious to facts, reason, or experience.