[homeka45]

How ironic that the nation that dragged us into the two biggest wars of the 20th century now see's us as a nation of warmongers. Should we now feel chastened?

Source of above poll seen on the drudgereport.

[CZ-75]

They are the experts.

I once heard a British comedian quip that Germany was changing its name after reunification. This was funny he said, since Germany had a habit of renaming its neighbors...to Germany. :D

[SADshooter]

And our troops standing on this side of the wall facing the T-72s were warmongers as well. Oh, the hypocrisy! Where's the yawn smiley when you need it? :rolleyes:

[bobs1066]

& they can bite exactly 57% of you know what....

[jmbg29]

Poor little de-fanged, de-clawed Chermuns. Where do they find the time to comment? I should think that spinning their economy down the toilet of life would take up all of their time. What is it? Ten losing years in a row now?

D'oh! Remember what happened the last time their economy went down the crapper...


"Springtime for Hitler und Churmuny! Winter for Poland und France....." :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes::evil:

[Greg L]

Well, we've got a whole bunch of troops in the general area just sitting around doing nothing at the moment. Perhaps a little warm up exercise to the northwest of where they are now might be in order. Just to keep that warlike edge you know.;)

Greg

[Stephen Ewing]

When I found out that the Germans had selected Paris as their new capital, this is not what I expected. :uhoh:

Steve

[PDshooter]

57% must NOT have taken history!:fire:


Shoot, shovel, shut-up!

[twoblink]

Send us your women, your knives, your guns, and your cameras and shut up.

We are warmongers compared to Hitler??

Ask the french who is the bigger warmonger?

[bad_dad_brad]

Like the pot calling the kettle black. But man, they make great automobiles! (I have a 2003 Audi A4 1.8T Quattro that makes me smile when it snows).

European Hell:

The English are the chefs.
The French are the lovers.
The Italians are the auto mechanics.
The Germans are the police.

European Heaven:

The English are the police.
The French are the chefs.
The Italians are the lovers.
The Germans are the auto mechanics.

[Gary H]

This was a push poll. The polling organization got the result that it was trying to get. Having said that, the Germans, French and Russians have been rearming Saddam and have a vested interest in the status quo. U.S. out of Europe and we will see how long it takes, after the next economic downturn, for Germany to attack it's neighbors.

[Harold Mayo]

I'm just curious...

Did the poll say what percentage of German Jews thought that we were warmongers?


:confused:

[Gary H]

--or what percent of Germans are anti-Semitic ?

I believe that our support of Israel and jelousy is at the root of German and French attitudes with regards to the United States.

[Wildalaska]

Did the poll say what percentage of German Jews thought that we were warmongers?

The few that left surely keep their mouths shut, scratch a German, find a nazi..

I care nothing for what Germans say, time to close our bases there and leave em to the Russians...

WildbutforstalinwewouldhavehadnoproblemsAlaska

[DadOfThree]

57% of Germans think the US are warmongers.
I agree and I don't think Germany or France should have to put up with us. Effective immediately, all military bases, airfields, and naval ports should be moved to countries like Spain and Poland that support us and the ideals that we believe in. All military personnel should be restricted from traveling to or spending money in Germany or France. I would hate to see them corrupted by hundreds of millions of unwanted US dollars. I'm sure Poland wouldn't mind if we corrupted their economy with a few hundred million. :p :p

[T.Stahl]

Wildalaska, don't scratch me, you might get dissappointed. :fire:

Dadofthree, will you move your bases back if the next elections in Poland, Spain and Germany show a change the public moods? Well, it's your tax money. :D

[Delmar]

And why do we have bases in Europe in the first place? Because those Euro-panzy governments for the most part will not get off their dead back sides and take care of their own turf, and the few that have the fortitude to do so never spend the money necessary for a military capable of doing so.

57% of thinking Americans believe France and Germany are playing politics yet again so they don't have to get their hands bloody, but you can bet your last Euro-buck they will be the first in line for the contracts to rebuild Iraq after it is turned into a parking lot for the US Navy, and at a rate most favorable to themselves.

[T.Stahl]

Delmar, the USA maintains bases in Europe and Asia because it's its strategy to defend America on the opposite coast.

[Delmar]

Understood, T.Stall, but I'd rather see prepositioned equipment and a very minimal human presence than to have a whole bunch of our military men in these places. When this Iraq thing is over and done with, I would suspect Germany and the others are going to get over it quickly. I do get sick of the fact these countries see the wrongs, yet try to tell us how to handle it. Nobody seemed to want to do anything about it until GW stuck America's nose under the tent, and now they come prancing in like they have all the answers. What exactly did they do while we were hamstrung with Klinton? NOTHING

[Russ]

Germany is very lucky they didn't prolong the war in Europe long enough to get what the Japanese got about 4 months after they surrendered. I don't trust them. Who's to say when another Hitler like character will come along and whip them into a frenzy. They could go right back to their old warmongering ways. It really hasn't been that long in the scheme of things.

[Waitone]

Teutonic arrogance is breath-taking and timeless.

[chaim]

In fairness I think I should respond to these:

or what percent of Germans are anti-Semitic ? Yes, there is a lot of antisemitism in Germany. There is also a lot in all of Europe, these days the worst is probably France.

Germany, along with the rest of Europe, has historically been antisemitic. However, it may surprise you to know that even prior to WWII and the Nazis they weren't as rabidly antisemitic as some surrounding countries. The Nazis came to power by emphasising nationalism and economic improvements, not their ethnic policies. Once in power they felt it necessary to start implimenting their policies very slowly and they didn't begin the large scale murders until almost a decade after coming to power. They also needed years of a major propaganda effort before convincing the German people that genocide was the way to go. However, in some occupied countries (Ukrane, Poland, and France in particular) they found very willing accomplances with little or no preparation of the population.

The few that left surely keep their mouths shut, scratch a German, find a nazi.. I think this is going too far. Yes, there is a neo-nazi problem in Germany. However, they aren't the only ones (believe it or not, Russia may have a bigger problem w/ neo-nazi types), just because of their history it prompts the most international publicity.

In fact, in the former West Germany, they did a good job of educating their population and coming to terms with their history (well, in attitudes- many companies that profitted from slave labor or even directly from the Holocaust have yet to come to terms with their roles). Only in the former East Germany where they blamed capitalism and claimed victim status at the hands of the Nazis themselves instead of taking responsibility is there still some trouble.

[StuporDave]

"Germans(57%) think we're Warmongers"

...and this information is supposed to effect me in what way? Who cares?

[Wildalaska]

I think this is going too far. Yes, there is a neo-nazi problem in Germany. However, they aren't the only ones (believe it or not, Russia may have a bigger problem w/ neo-nazi types), just because of their history it prompts the most international publicity.

Probably true, but this thread is about Germany yes....??


Wildalaska, don't scratch me, you might get dissappointed.

Sorry your offended T, obviously there are Germans who are not evil, so perhaps I shall rephrase..

"Scratch a German, you may very well find a Nazi"
That is fairer yes?

Unfortunately the relationship between the two countries has deteriorated to the point that I think it is conceivable that there will be no relations at all...and Germany has a lot more to lose...

Delmar, the USA maintains bases in Europe and Asia because it's its strategy to defend America on the opposite coast.

We can do that very well from the UK...

[Marko Kloos]

"Scratch a German, you may very well find a Nazi"
That is fairer yes?

This statement contradicts the point you're trying to make. Not wanting to go to war is a Nazi behavior? How exactly does the position of Germany regarding the Gulf War Sequel coincide with Nazi ideology?

Ah, never mind, I get it. All Frechmen are stinky frog munchers, all Germans are Nazis, all Englishmen are snobby poofters with bad teeth, all Swiss are money-hoarding cheese eaters, and so on. Don't leave out your favorite labels for the kikes, gooks, towel-heads, sand ******s, spicks, chinks, wops, Micks, and everybody else who has reservations about holding a match to the powder keg that is the Middle East.

[T.Stahl]

"Scratch a German, you may very well find a Nazi"
That is fairer yes?

"Scratch an American, you may very well find a member of the KKK"
Would that be fair? :confused:

We can do that very well from the UK...

Where eightysomething percent of the population oppose a war against Iraq?

[hops]

And 57 pct of germans are idiots who voted for the yahoos running the country now.

Remember, according to some poll that had only 29 pct of Germans and 34 pct of French in favour of going in to Iraq, also said that only 49 pct of the Brits were in favour of the same action. Even PM Blair is catching a lot of crap from his own party.

Britain is the only left-wing govt on the US side and barely so. Blair's party won't remove him, since they'd lose the govt to the torries.

Germany and France are led by left-wing governments. These people running the countries are hard-core anti-americans - certainly the German red/green party. For god's sake, the german foreign minster, Joshka Fischer, of the red/green party, had RAF ties in the 70's.

Keep this France / Germany issue in perspective. I've read the German papers and it is not as cut and dry German anti U.S. with Iraq as you all here imply. I believe the intelligence data on the Iraqi mobile-bio labs was provided by German Intelligence Service to the U.S. / Sec. Powell at the U.N.

As far as Germany goes, Schroeder just needs to find a spine and tell the red.green coalition partner to blow off.

[CZ-75]

"Scratch a German, you may very well find a Nazi"


WildIcanttypewithmyfootinmymouthAlaska




Ah, never mind, I get it. All Frenchmen are stinky frog munchers, all Germans are Nazis, all Englishmen are snobby poofters with bad teeth, all Swiss are money-hoarding cheese eaters, and so on. Don't leave out your favorite labels for the kikes, gooks, towel-heads, sand ******s, spicks, chinks, wops, Micks, and everybody else who has reservations about holding a match to the powder keg that is the Middle East.


WildIjustgotmyasshandedtomeAlaska

[alan]

The following observation seems somehow appropriate, looking at world history, at least the part that covers the 20th century.

Those particularly preceptive Germans should know one, when they see it, a WARMONGER that is..

[HABU]

Germany?

Whatever!

Don't leave out your favorite labels for the kikes, gooks, towel-heads, sand ******s, spicks, chinks, wops, Micks, and everybody else
:what: Wow! We have had a whole new vocabulary made available to us!

[JeepDriver]

Germans think we're warmongers?

Well it should be an interesting vacation for me next month.

It figures the one chance I get to go to Germany and they're protesting against the USA.

[Stephen Ewing]

Lendringser, you forgot the most insulting term we could come up with for the Belgians: "The Belgians."

Steve

[Gary H]

JeepDriver:

A friend lives in Germany and it seems that they are still rather nice folks. I'm sure that a few are "in your face', but most are willing to make your vacation a polite one.

The Germans have yet to be struck in a major way by the terrorist. Perhaps that would make them more willing to be more proactive??????????

[F=ma]

The Germans have yet to be struck in a major way by the terrorist. Perhaps that would make them more willing to be more proactive??????????

Nope...It'll be our fault for raising hostilities.

[amprecon]

Whenever I hear bad press regarding Germany I just pop in the Saving Private Ryan tape and I get all warm and fuzzy inside.

[T.Stahl]

I don't think I could get mad enough about Americans that I'd enjoy the opening scene. :(

[Wildalaska]

"Scratch an American, you may very well find a member of the KKK"

Sorry, tu quoque already was tried as a defense and failed...at Nurenburg..

And the actions of a few non governmental looneys surely does not compare to a national policy that did and does still have rascsit tendecies and overtones, albiet not as homicidal..maybe

No?? Didnt the German Police stand idly by a few years ago and watch non aryans burn? Fight compensation for the victims tooth and nail too....How bout still picking on Jews over there...no that doesnt happen? Ever read "The Beast Reawakens" ...Hey how bout that news story about all the contracts the German Companies are gonna get from the Iraqis as payment for their standing by their new ally...Heres my view..the only thing that prevents an overt resurgence of that homicidal policy is the thought that we might get real pissed off...

Sorry there are too many American dead overseas because of Germany for me to just pat yall on the back and say that all is forgiven...especially when your Government turns on the people who but for our kindness and Uncle Joe Stalin would have left you in the stone age...

At least the Japanese, for all their begrudged apologies, havent bit us on the hand...

And CZ 75, ROTFLMAO@Y

And thats it for me I get too aggravated by all this, I have too many Uncles who got wounded in various venues and too many family memebers shot in ditches in Baba Yar to take any guff or insults or backstabbing from the German government and/or the German people, and If I offended you personally T Stahl, sorry...rather than get aggravated with the anger you may see here, start a campaign to ditch your leaders....

WildsoresubjectAlaska

[El Tejon]

Wild, relax, it's all about the Euros to the Dutchies. Who wants to put the goose (Iraqi oil bling, bling) at risk mit eine grosse welfaren staat to support in the FRG?

The Germans will come around, but we'll have to lead, like always.:)

[T.Stahl]

Wildalaska, I asked whether it would be fair to make an equally generalizing and insulting claim about Americans. How would you feel if someone would claim that it's likely that YOU are a racist, solely based on the fact that you are an American? I guess you'd disagree with the one who made that claim and protest.

Don't I have the same right to disagree and protest?