[w.Clark]

I am happy to say that Utah's permit will soon be even more valuable in a couple of months when Texas DPS will begin recognition of Utah CCW holders. This, assuming, all goes well for Utah SB108 which does away with the 60 day restriction on out of state permits.
Sincerely,
W. Clark Aposhian
Utah Self Defense Instructor's Network
Chairman

[Blackhawk]

Good. Florida & Texas already are recognized by Utah, AFAIK.

[w.Clark]

yep, Utah recognizes everybody, even off duty leo's

[hutch24]

So when's Texas gonna recognize Alaska's permits? We already recognize theirs. :D

[CatsDieNow]

Yeah they refuse to recognize Indiana's too. Indiana will reciprocate with anybody.

Texas CHL training class, $150...whatever. :rolleyes:

[Double Naught Spy]

Unfortunately for many states, Texas do not simply recognize the permits of other states just because they recognize the permits for Texas. Texas has some of the highest background check standards in the country. Texas' high background standards system has been used as a model by several states for setting up their own permit systems. States with significantly less stringent systems don't get recognized. Heck, there are some things in one's past that may prevent you from getting a Texas CHL but not stop you from becoming an LEO!

According to Texas DPS who issues the permits (http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/reciprocity.htm), the following states are currently recognized...
Wyoming
Kentucky
Tennessee
Florida
Arizona
Louisiana
Oklahoma
Arkansas

DPS tends not to put up recognition information until after the agreements go into effect.

[CatsDieNow]

Yeah, I did the research several months ago. Texas won't reciprocate mainly because we lawless Hoosiers don't require a training class.

I just get a kick out of how proud Texans are of their CHL laws.

[westex]

It ain't easy being #1 in everything.:D

[hutch24]

Who would I email to find out exactly why Texas doesn't recognize Alaska permits? :confused:

[Slotback]

When CHL was passed in Texas, the Legislature mandated that reciprocation be done with other states whose CHL standards was at least equal to the Texas standards.

[glirette]

The background check required for Texas to establish a reciprocity agreement is simply the eligibility requirements imposed by the other state include background check requirements that meet or exceed background check requirements imposed by federal law as a condition of receiving a handgun.

The only reason why Utah and Texas have not established an agreement is one of 2 things. 1) They have never got on the same page or ; 2) Someone in Texas decided that the 60 day rule doesn't meat the requirement 2 of :

( the other state recognizes a license issued in this state.)

Glocktalk thread on the subject (http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=100806&highlight=utah)

Also reference this link Texas law (http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes/go/go0041100.html#go167.411.171)

§ 411.173. Nonresident License



(a) The department by rule shall establish a procedure for a person who is a legal resident of a state that does not provide for the issuance of a license to carry a concealed handgun and who meets the eligibility requirements of this subchapter other than the residency requirement established by Section 411.172(a)(1) to obtain a license under this subchapter. The procedure must include payment of a fee in an amount sufficient to recover the average cost to the department of obtaining a criminal history record check and investigation on a nonresident applicant.



(b) The department shall negotiate an agreement with any other state that provides for the issuance of a license to carry a concealed handgun under which a license issued by the other state is recognized in this state if the department determines that:



(1) the eligibility requirements imposed by the other state include background check requirements that meet or exceed background check requirements imposed by federal law as a condition of receiving a handgun; and



(2) the other state recognizes a license issued in this state.



Added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 165, § 10.01(a), eff. Sept. 1, 1997.



Amended by Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 62, § 9.05(a), eff. Sept. 1, 1999.

[w.Clark]

It was because of the 60 day restriction.

[Double Naught Spy]

And we have good reason to be proud of it as well!

Then again, if you don't have a CHL in Texas, that does not mean you have to be completely unarmed. With a few exceptions, it is legal to still drive around with your loaded shotgun or rifle on the rack in your window.

As for the $150 classes, that just depends on where you take them. There are many that are cheaper. The bummer is the $140 price for the permit.

One cool thing about CHLs is that they essentially brand you a a card carrying good guy and that goes a long way to not getting speeding tickets and receiving a lot of professional courtesy from LEOs.

[glirette]

Also a resident of any state (including Texas) may obtain a Florida permit and carry concealed in Texas.

[Russ]

Kentucky has reciprocity with the states in the map at this link.

http://www.kc3.org/reciprocitymap.htm

Notice that most of the "Gore" states from the 2000 election do not have reciprocity.

This site says reciprocity. Therefore, I would assume all the blue states recognize each other's permits. Is that the way it works or am I missing somehthing?

The KY list doesn't match the Texas list by a long shot. It doesn't make sense to me that KY recognizes Texas and Alaska but Texas doesn't recognize Alaska. Is it the training class issue again like those lawless cat killiers in Inidana :D

Just a joke CatsDienow. BTW, have you ever read 1,000 uses for a dead cat? Hilarious.

I have a cat and I'm good to him so don't flame me all you cat lovers!

[Finch]

OK, I'm confused. I was under the impression that Article 6, section 1 of the United States constitution say that: Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof

And section 2 saying: The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states

So wouldn't I be able to have a CCW in Nevada and have it be recognized and valid in any other state. :scrutiny:

[glirette]

Finch I agree with you but if you get charged with an offence in lets say NJ for example while carrying on a Nevada permit, I assure you the courts will disagree with your defense.

[glirette]

Also Utah seems to reconize this Finch!

[Frohickey]

I see a patchwork of CCW reciprocity laws...

If 'A' recognizes 'B', and 'B' recognizes 'C', it does not necessarily mean that 'A' recognizes 'C'.

Should be that way... its not like the person behind the CCW permit suddenly becomes Mr. Hyde when they cross state lines.

[Double Naught Spy]

Finch, such laws do apply just fine. For example before this recent set of events, Texas fully recognized and respected Utah concealed carry laws...just so long as the people stayed in Utah.

There are other notable exceptions. My permit to hunt in Texas does not apply to Alaska, for example. Strange how that works. There can be geographic limitations to laws and regardless of article 6, that is something recognized in Federal law.


Oh, and just a comment on the title of this thread that states Texas will Recognize Utah, in theory that sounds really good, but until it is made public in Texas by DPS, I would not count on it. That is not to say the statement is in error, only that DPS is sort of the 'say so' agency in Texas and until they say so, flashing your Utah permit could be problematic. Note that the statement above is not made by anyone in Texas.

That goes for any circumstance. Just because you have news in your state that it has reciprocal agreements with some other state, it is best to check information from that other state before asserting your permitted right to concealed carry.

[Russ]

Frohickey,

I think you summed it up perfectly. What a screwed up mess!

Russ

[Bainx]

tell me how did you get Alabama to soften up?
Tennessee can not seem to get them to go along.

[w.Clark]

Bainx,
Maybe Dinner at a nice place, dancing and then get them all liquored up.
Clark

Sorry, I know you were serious, I am new here.
Clark

[DeltaElite]

Texas will recognize Utah

I knew those new fangled Geography classes would pay off for those Texans. :neener:

Seriously, I find it ridicilous that states don't recognize each others permits. Just silly.