City campground bans all flags xcept American and MIA-POW

Link: http://www.thestarpress.com/articles/1/020086-2431-001.html

MUNCIE - Banning Confederate, NASCAR, Colts, Pacers and other flags while allowing American and POW-MIA flags at Prairie Creek Reservoir's campground could cause legal problems for the city of Muncie, according to the Indiana Civil Liberties Union.

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This occured after campground users last year compalined about the display of a Confederate battle standard. To my eye (IANAL) this looks like a violation of 1st Amendment liberties.

If the park is owned by the city (a branch of gevernment) it sure as hell is a 1st amendment violation.

While the Cross of Treason is certainly offensive, a city has no business telling anyone that they cannot display it. Darn Bill of Rights, "allowing" people to do what they want.

Shame on Munice!:fire:

If the park is owned by the city (a branch of government) it sure as hell is a 1st amendment violation. The linked article said it is a city park, so, you are correct: it is a 1st Amt violation.

Cross of treason? State's rights is treason? Interesting definition.

Declaring war on your country (in order to keep your slaves) is treason.

Regardless of the evil that the CSA represents, one still has a right to spout its hatred. The city (where the heck was the city attorney on this?) should know better.

I think you could reach the conclusion that the war was only about slaves, but only if you were very selective in what history you read. No question, slaves entered into the mix, but until the Civil War states had much more authority about what went on within their borders, and it was the perception that the federal gov't was usurping that authority that was the cause for many to take up arms. The feds were seen as tyrants, and the second amendment and others is in place to enable the people to take up arms against tyrants. Hmmmm....where have I heard that before?

Apparently the people of the time didn't feel it was treason, since the Southerners were allowed to go home afterward.

You have the last word, since I don't have time to get into a long debate about it, and neither of us is going to change his mind anyway.

edited because I had another thought.

org, you're right, but my opinion comes from the words of the CSA leaders themselves. Sorry to sidetrack this.

Shame on Munice!:fire: What were you thinking?:(

Declaring war on your country (in order to keep your slaves) is treason. What about declaring war on your country in order to avoid taxes? :rolleyes:

http://www.law.ou.edu/hist/flags/rossflag.gif
Flag of Treason
Flag that extended slavery by decades

Secession is not a declaration of war.

Rick

Declaring war on your country (in order to keep your slaves) is treason.

Regardless of the evil that the CSA represents, one still has a right to spout its hatred.

I'm a Northern Yankee, and even I know better than this. You need to clear that revisionist history out of your mind El Tejon. You are seriously misinformed.

dischord,

aptly struck.

Declaring war on your country (in order to keep your slaves) is treason.
From Merriam-Webster on-line:

Main Entry: trea·son
Pronunciation: 'trE-z&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English tresoun, from Old French traison, from Latin tradition-, traditio act of handing over, from tradere to hand over, betray -- more at TRAITOR
1 : the betrayal of a trust : TREACHERY
2 : the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family

I thought the southern states simply attempted to exercise their RIGHT under the Constitution to withdraw from the Union. Honest Abe declared war on the south, the south didn't declare war on the north.

As previously noted, seccession is not a declaration of war. Neither is it an act of treason.

I thought the southern states simply attempted to exercise their RIGHT under the Constitution to withdraw from the Union.
Refresh my memory. Which article enumerates this RIGHT?


And remember, El Tejon speaks lawyereze (rhymes with sleaze :D ) Quoting from Webster's won't shed any light on his statements. Gotta look in Black's to translate his expostulations.

Refresh my memory. Which article enumerates this RIGHT?Man, this thread has careened wildly out of control.
Anyway, if a RIGHT is not specifically disallowed, it exists. Show me where in the constitution it says that once a state has applied to join the union, they are locked in forever?

People who display Confederate flags at the reservoir probably think they are "rebelling against the establishment," said John Rouse, a political science professor at Ball State University. "But history clearly shows that the Confederate flag is the symbol of institutionalized racism."
I think H.K. Edgerton might disagree.
http://jamestownnews.womacknewspapers.com/content/articles/2004/03/02/news/top_stories/top_stories01.jpg

http://jamestownnews.womacknewspapers.com/articles/2004/03/02/news/top_stories/top_stories01.txt

Someone should fly the state flag and the city flag, and see if they get fined/kicked out.

I doubt they will.