UDT SEAL Museum Renaming


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WT
May 27, 2004, 01:01 PM
I have to gripe about this someplace.

On Tuesday I visited the UDT SEAL Museum in Ft. Pierce, Fl. It has a great exhibit. When I last visited in 2000 it had a plastic framed handgun used by UDT sailors in World War II. It is the earliest plastic framed handgun I am aware of. Unfortunately, display renovations resulted in it being taken off the shelf.

Additionally, I learned that over 40 UDT sailors were killed in action on the beaches of Normandy on June 6, 1944. Hundreds of UDT men were wounded there. Maybe our invasion succeeded because of their heroic efforts to destroy beach obstructions.

Now it appears that the Museum board of directors wants to drop "UDT" from the name of the Museum. They want to call it the SEALs Museum, ignoring the contribution that members of UDT made to special warfare and the US Navy.

They feel that the word "SEALS" is more recognizable and marketable. More people would visit the museum, spending more money, etc.

I gather than hundreds of former UDT members are taking exception to this proposed change. I have to agree with the UDT frogmen. The name of the Museum should include "UDT."

I guess the Museum board members can forget about the few remaining old UDT sailors. They are gray, and don't get around too well. Probably don't spend too much money either. Considered a minimal influence now.

Sad state of affairs.

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jercamp45
May 27, 2004, 04:55 PM
BUD/S is Basic Underwater Demolitions/ SEAL training..... to remove the history of the UDT out of the equasion is very sad! I suppose they'll still have exibits about UDT and no doubt alot of cool weapontry(one of the best series of displays I have seen! And they said they had alot more weapons still in boxes because they did not have room to put them out!!).
I suppose like the concept of 'frogman' to SEAL is an evolutionary path...so they shorten the name of the musuem for marketing purposes.... People know about SEAL's, so that is a draw....When they come through the door...they'll learn about UDT 'Frogs' too.
They seemed to be equal oppotunity about the service men that showed up for their 'Musters', they even invited an old Jarhead Grunt to attend.
Whatever the name, it is a great musuem, and I am glad it is there!
Semper Fi,
Jercamp45

tlhelmer
May 27, 2004, 06:52 PM
I agree.

On a side note, does anyone know what UDT was called before they became UDT?

Baba Louie
May 27, 2004, 07:24 PM
does anyone know what UDT was called before they became UDT? Hazarding a guess I'll throw out "Frogmen"? Or Seabees?

http://www.sid-ss.net/udt14/udt14.htm

WT
May 27, 2004, 09:46 PM
Hint: S&R

Spark
May 27, 2004, 10:24 PM
Um, were the Scouts & Raiders really the precursor to UDT? I thought S&R were Army & Marines

El Tejon
May 27, 2004, 11:02 PM
Spark, kind of.:D There were USN personnel in Scouts and Raiders. "Arriving at the base on South Hutchinson Island [after volunteering at 17], I was assigned to the Scouts and Raiders." HUNTERS AND SHOOTERS, An Oral History of the U.S. Navy SEALs in Vietnam, 1, Bill Fawcett, ed. (1995) (statement of Rudy Boesch).

Trooper Helmer, think NCDU=>UDT=>UDT+SEALs=>SEALs

NCDU= Navy Combat Demolition Unit

(I know, I know, I'm leaving out the delivery guys and other stuff, but for simplicity).

tlhelmer
May 28, 2004, 02:54 PM
That is how I read it.

They have a very proud and distinguished record of achievement and sacrifice.

PUMC_TomG
May 28, 2004, 10:55 PM
I too have visited this museum with the family. It was a pretty neat place with all sorts of cool stuff, and great history.

It's definitely not a large museum - but it's chock full o stuff to see. (Plus the firearms collection is neat-o too.)

The admission charge was little steep - but I can't say I didn't enjoy my visit.

Travis McGee
May 29, 2004, 12:07 AM
I hope they keep UDT in the name!

As an historical footnote, I served in UDT-21 in 1983 when it was renamed ST-4. I went out of Little Creek to Beirut with the very last UDT-21 platoon, and returned with the first platoon of ST=4. By the way, their motto is "mal ad osteo" or "bad to the bone," after the popular song of the time.

http://tomeaker.com/2a/snakelogoavataryellow4.jpg

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