Glock-----> Hate 'em or Like 'em?


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prezzz
May 27, 2004, 05:08 PM
You here it over and over. You either really hate Glocks, or really like Glocks. So, let's find out how they do. Hate or Like?

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lee n. field
May 27, 2004, 05:21 PM
indifferent.

2nd Amendment
May 27, 2004, 05:23 PM
I can't answer because Glocks inspire no emotion in me. They are the epitome of "firearm as tool". Utilitarian, to the point and almost flawlessly functional. You simply can't hate that. OTOH they have no soul. They don't "inspire" emotions. They aren't interesting to tinker with nor do they lend themselves to individuality. If I want a tool that I generally know will work I'll pick up a Glock. if I want something I can reasonably expect to work AND find an emotional attachment to/enjoyment in using I'll pick up a great many others.

prezzz
May 27, 2004, 05:27 PM
You just described a hammer perfectly.

Dionysusigma
May 27, 2004, 05:32 PM
Ironic, as a hammer is what almost all firearms have, Glocks included in the exception.

That being said, I agree with 2nd Amendment, but I can't remember a hammer I've ever seen with such an odd grip angle. :( :rolleyes:

MountainPeak
May 27, 2004, 05:45 PM
I own a G20, 22 and 30. All have been very reliable and reasonably accurate. I do not like them or hate them. If I had a fire, and could only save some of my firearms, would they be high on my priority list? NOPE.

SAG0282
May 27, 2004, 05:48 PM
I like Glocks, but not nearly as much as SIGs.

rayra
May 27, 2004, 05:49 PM
indifferent.

Sean Smith
May 27, 2004, 05:58 PM
*Shrug*

Used to like them, now I just don't care about them. Grip like a brick, cheap breakable sights, crummy trigger pull, accuracy anywhere from good to horrible. But they usually work well.

cratz2
May 27, 2004, 06:13 PM
Between hate and like, I guess I like them. I certainly don't love them and I don't understant folks that want ten different models.

Glocks, SIGs and Berettas are all tools in my opinion. 1911s, CZs and BHPs can be a bit more of an emotional thing.

:p

ny32182
May 27, 2004, 06:23 PM
I don't have experience with many of them, and I'm sure they are quite reliable, but:

1) The ergonomics of the G17 are such a poor fit for me, that they will actually make my trigger finger blister/bleed after a few hundred rounds.

2) KB!

In general, I much prefer modern SA/DA metal handguns to any other style, especially for 'serious' purposes.

Preacherman
May 27, 2004, 06:28 PM
2nd Amendment put it well, as did Tamara some time ago when she said something to the effect that "there's nothing to love about a Glock, but a lot to like". They're stone-cold reliable, combat-accurate, have a reasonably simple manual of arms, and tend to go BANG every time you pull the trigger. For this reason, I like them very much as basic, reliable tools. I don't have an emotional attachment to any of my guns - I want tools, not toys!

(Getting shot on several occasions will rapidly cure you of emotional attachments to firearms... you'll insist on high-quality life-saving tools! How do I know this, you ask? Trust me. I know this.)

Boats
May 27, 2004, 06:59 PM
I don't hate them. They popularized polymer, and the Glock 17 ushered in an era which has seen some polymer autos I think are much better than Glocks for my tastes.

So no, I don't hate Glock the product. I am not wild about Glock the company--to the point of disdain--and I hate the gimmick marketing. That said, I have no need for a Glock, so I guess I really don't care one way or the other if they disappeared tomorrow or remain on the scene forever.

As long as they don't try to make a revolver or a Garand, I'll just keep a cool distance from hating them.:evil:

HSMITH
May 27, 2004, 07:18 PM
Like 'em. Don't know many if any that have put a thousand rounds through one that don't at least respect Glocks and most like them very much after a little use.

doofus
May 27, 2004, 08:14 PM
I like 'em:

1. Utterly reliable - They go bang every time. Regardless what you may hear about KB! reports, remember that any pistol can go Kaboom if sufficiently overpressured.

2. Combat accuracy - The standard models aren't tack drivers, but they shoot better than I do. The long-slide models are typically far more accurate. After-market barrels and trigger jobs can usually remedy any accuracy complaints.

3. Durable - I'm essentially a lazy person. I like the fact that you don't have to worry about cleaning/oiling/baby-sitting Glocks (or Walther P99s for that matter).

cameramonkey
May 27, 2004, 08:30 PM
I like the 9mm models. I don't know if I'd own one in .40 S&W because of the kaboom! issues. But I think for their intended role as a defense/service pistol, I think they are a great choice.

wally
May 27, 2004, 08:32 PM
I've always thought they were ugly. Picked up a 17 and 21 with three Full Cap mags for each for a good price a few months before the AWB.

Major safe queens. I hate the trigger. I've yet to find anything other than a Jennings that I hit worse with. Its not the guns as both are very accurate off a rest, but hand held farther than a car length I'm much better off with just about anything else as I can't grok when trigger will trip. That's why 1911s rule -- the crisp trigger always trips exactly when I want it to.

When my wife first started shooting she wanted to use the Glock 17 because it was so "cool" on all the TV shows. She couldn't shoot worth crap but had fun. When she wanted to really learn I brought out the GLock and Taurus PT92 and let her shoot both. She started hitting with the Taurus and has quickly lost all intrest in the Glock -- these are the only two autoloaders I have that she can rack the slide on, barely at that.

--wally.

FunYet
May 27, 2004, 10:25 PM
Like 'em. For some reason or another I’m a very accurate shot with Glocks. When I started shooting a few years ago I more or less learned on Glocks (because that’s what was at hand) so I had nothing else to compare them to. I read reports of people who dislike the trigger, but it’s never been an issue for me. Rugged guns! I’m not a Glock-Groupie, though. Many different guns that I enjoy shooting.

jem375
May 27, 2004, 10:50 PM
well, they don't go bang every time............had 3 malfunctions in my G26 in the first 200 rounds..........glock triggers suck, had to put the 3.5 LB connector in mine and now it shoots fairly well....still can't shoot it as well as some of my other handguns....

Black Majik
May 27, 2004, 10:59 PM
I'm starting to like em'... as a few of my posts lately can show... :o

Feanaro
May 27, 2004, 11:01 PM
Dislike(Hate is too strong a word for a thing that can't feel or think) strongly. Bad ergonomics, crud trigger, too easy to break sights, no manual safety(Some people like them, some don't. I do.) and messed up "not as light as an SA but no second strike capability like a DA" action. All IMO of course. They keep on working, I'll give 'em that. Light too.

Edmond
May 27, 2004, 11:39 PM
I like them for their simplicity. They're so easy to take apart and clean; both of my guns are Glocks, also my first guns. The boss has a Kimber .45 and I've seen him take that thing apart. It doesn't look easy! But that Kimber is one fine weapon; I wouldn't mind owning one, but they're too expensive for me!:(

GigaBuist
May 28, 2004, 12:31 AM
I dislike them.

The grip is wonky. It takes some getting used to.

The trigger is so bad even a 1st time shooter notices the spongy feeling!

They're plain. You can't dress one up at all. They have no soul.

The no-manual safety thing freaks me out sometimes. You have to be damned careful when handling one and shoving it into a holster in condition 1.

The .40 is known for kB problems. Maybe it's resolved, maybe not.

With that said, if I walk out of the residence with a gun on my hip my first choice is my Glock 23C in .40cal. Sure, I hate some thing about it -- but if push came to shove I wouldn't have any worries at all if that bugger came outta my holster.

Yeah, it has no soul, but I've never seen a gun ask the operator "but do you really love me?" before it fired a round off.

Yeah, I hate 'em - but it's the only brand I own two of :evil:

PATH
May 28, 2004, 01:07 AM
I love all firearms. I prefer to carry and shoot firearms other than Glock but Glock is still lovable!

Edmond
May 28, 2004, 01:11 AM
I'm in the boat where if you squeeze the trigger and the gun goes bang, I like it.:D

There is no firearm that I dislike.

Garrum
May 28, 2004, 01:41 PM
I used to like them, but now I dislike them. I have a 23 that I have right at $800 in. I came to find out right after a bought it, that I should have fired a Glock before buying one. My natural grip is a high grip on any pistol, and on the Glock, that equals slide bite. I have a scar from my first 50 rounds through it. ~$250 later, after having the grip reworked by ARS (http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/) (great guys by the way), which included grinding off the backstrap hump and finger grooves, undercutting the trigger guard, and adding a beavertail, I could shoot it without bleeding, but the recoil of the .40 beat my hands to death. I could, and still can control it just fine, but after about 200 rounds my wrists and hands go numb just from the abrupt snap of the slide. It really sucks to be able to only fire 200 rounds a day. Really sucks. I was accurate with it, and relatively fast, and the gun was stone cold reliable.

Now I have an H&K P2000 in 9x19mm. It's grip angle, as far as I can tell, is that of the 1911/BHP. It ruined me as far as going back to the Glock's grip angle. Steel sights with dovetails, ambi mag and slide levers, second strike capability (which is worthless with current tactical doctrine), and an 8lb DAO trigger, with a 5lb upgrade coming soon. At least as accurate as the Glock, and so far just as reliable. 950 rounds without cleaning and no hanky panky. Best part? 400+ rounds a day and no numb hands! Huzzah for long training sessions.

Blackcloud6
May 28, 2004, 02:10 PM
I like my Model 30.

MyRoad
May 28, 2004, 02:49 PM
Interesting that you have "like" and "hate" -- not "love" and "hate". Implies a bias, perhaps that you couldn't conceive of anyone actually loving them?

I only own one, and I respect it. I don't love it or hate it, but I voted "like" because that's just vague enough to reflect how I feel about it. I would consider buying another, if one fit a need I had.

CZ52GUY
May 28, 2004, 03:18 PM
I like all 3 of mine.

Safe shooting,

CZ52'

jAK-47
May 28, 2004, 08:16 PM
I don't love Glocks because they are ugly and they don't inspire me to tinker with them, give them names, caress them, etc.

Right now I'm waiting for a RAP401 and I think it will inspire affection. Also, I'm about to buy my very first CZ-52 and I'll tinker with that and maybe name it and probably fall in love with it. I'm also trying to save up for my very first 1911 and it will probably be a Kimber Ultra or something like it. A $900+ Kimber WILL be named, caressed, be kept in a sheepskin jacket, etc.

BUT, having said that, I carry a Glock26 and I TRUST MY LIFE WITH IT. It's a boring gun but I have a feeling that if I ever needed to USE it, I'd probably give it a name, it's own room with cable TV, private masseuse, subscription to PlayGun, etc.:D ;) :) :p :D

jAK-47

Mastrogiacomo
May 28, 2004, 09:53 PM
Glocks...love at first sight. :D

cracked butt
May 29, 2004, 12:11 AM
They do what they are intended to do, nothing more, nothing less.

Don't hate them, don't have any attraction at all to them either. Indifferent.

7.62FullMetalJacket
May 29, 2004, 12:43 AM
I don't dislike them? :uhoh:

themic
May 29, 2004, 01:01 AM
don't hate 'em. just not for me.

still find that little trigger thingy darn right ticklish to my index finger. don't help to giggle like a little girl every time you shoot. people think you're crazy.

M2 Carbine
May 29, 2004, 01:59 AM
Well hate isn't the word, but there's nothing I like about them.
I don't bad mouth them but I wouldn't own one.

My friend had so much trouble with his first 17 he tried to give it to me.

I told him no.

If you won't take a gun for free, you really don't think much of it.:)

denfoote
May 29, 2004, 04:04 AM
I clicked "like" with the following caveat: I'm not crazy about the newest Glock or the full sized ones either.
With the former, I can't see the need for the cartridge.
The latter does not feel right in my somewhat smallish hands!!
Now, that said, I have been and continue to be an early proponent of the Glock 36.
I carried a G26 for a long time until I made the mistake of letting my lovely wife shoot it!!! :what:
It's "her" gun now!!! :evil:
I have a G29, but the cost of 10mm ammo is, for all practical purposes, prohibitive. I have outfitted it with a .40S&W conversion barrel, but am not all that enamored with the cartridge.
My G30 is the cat's meow, but it does not fit my hand as well as the aforementioned G36.

sigma 40ve
May 29, 2004, 06:12 AM
Have to admit I used to dislike them. Now I own a model 34. I hadn't intended on ever getting a Glock, but at a recent trip to my favorite dealer, I was looking at some handguns. They had a 34, out of curiosity I checked it out. Needless to say I liked it and bought it. Shoots good too, have no trouble hitting out to 50 yds ( not tried further). My wife can shoot it good also.

Bluefish40
May 29, 2004, 10:01 AM
Like them, I have a G26 and a G19. They carry easy here in Florida and are very accurate for me. I have many different guns that I enjoy shooting, but I will only carry Glocks or a S&W 640-1.

Good luck, Richie S.

Coffee357
May 29, 2004, 12:34 PM
I like 'em! I have never had a non-operator related malfunction in any one of the dozen or so I have owned (they will malfunction if you limp-wrist em --like many other autos...). I have carried Glocks off and on for 15 years and it's the pistol that still goes to work with me today - (although I have a few others I play with off duty). As was said, though, they don't inspire real pride of ownership. Guess it's the plastic, er.. uh.. polymer. Starting to look at some revolvers to satisfy that pride of ownership thing :) .

Coffee

popeye
May 29, 2004, 12:37 PM
I've got a 21 and a 19 both with night sites. Both are ultra reliable. I think "gun guys and girls" like to customize their guns to individualize that gun from the next persons same type gun. Glock does not lend itself to mods short of "trigger pull stuff" and removing material to suit one's grip caracteristics. The glock is indeed a "Hammer" as stated. A GLOCK does it's asigned job as well as a Hammer.

Tamara
May 29, 2004, 01:55 PM
Utter indifference.

They work fine, but just don't do a thing for me.

ruger357
May 29, 2004, 05:45 PM
I did like the model 26.

MyRoad
May 29, 2004, 06:10 PM
...a little update to my previous post, since I just bought my second Glock today (a G32 for when I feel the need for a higher round-count than my G36 will hold). They aren't the most fun, or the sexiest, but they might be the easiest to carry and live with. They are like a Toyota Corrolla; reliable, economical, get's you where you want to go and you don't care if it get's dinged up in a parking lot. Totally and exceptionally utilitarian, and that's quite a compliment in some ways. So, I guess I like them.

Erik Jensen
May 29, 2004, 08:40 PM
they serve a purpose. not really my cup of tea, but I did kick around the idea of a Glock 20 for a bit. think I'd rather have a Delta Elite, though.

tc300mag1
May 29, 2004, 08:45 PM
I go back and forth

strambo
May 29, 2004, 08:46 PM
I don't like them...don't hate them either, but since I fall slightly on the don't like side, I voted the closest choice. I actually shoot them very well in spite of hating the trigger, if I was issued one for combat or law enforcement, I wouldn't mind, just prefer something else.

Lobotomy Boy
May 29, 2004, 09:36 PM
I used to hate them, but the more I shot them, the more I liked them. Once I got used to the tirgger design I began to actually like it. Finally I broke down and bought a G21. At the moment it is my all-time favorite hand gun.

I think much of the reason whether or not a person hates Glocks has to do with what that person is used to shooting. My oldest son, a wildlife biologist who hunts more than any person I have ever known and shoots guns nearly 365 days a year, hates Glocks. Last time he was in town I took him to the range and he couldn't hit the broad side of the blanket with the Glock, even though he shot my other guns extremely well. My youngest son is a law-school student who likes to hunt, but given that he lives in a major metropolitan area instead of in a giant wildlife management area like his brother, he hardly ever gets to shoot guns. He loves the Glock. I took him to the range last week and he was putting entire magazines in a three-inch pattern freehand at 30 feet, even though he hadn't shot a handgun in five years.

I think the difference is that my oldest son is used to shooting guns with "normal" triggers and can't get used to the gun. My youngest son, who has been too busy to do much shooting for the past several years, wasn't hampered by such baggage and took to the Glock trigger immediately.

wanderinwalker
May 29, 2004, 10:17 PM
I like Glocks because they are simply tools. It works every time I want it to, no questions. What more can I want?

Trigger complaints are normal. Funny though. I shoot an AR-15 Service Rifle with a tuned 2-stage trigger (think 1911: crisp and light, although still meeting the 4.5 pound minimum per NRA rules). I can also hit anything I desire with my dad's 1911 and it's slicked-up trigger. Yet I have no difficulty picking up my Glock 17 and emptying a full-cap into a silouhette(sp?) target as fast as I can mash the trigger, from 10 yards, keeping them all in a space the size of my palm. (Someday I will photograph that for proof even.) 25 yard groups aren't great, but they are adequate. Mostly operator issues.

I personally regard my pistol as a last-resort tool. If I need, I need it close, and I need it fast. The Glock is perfect for this role IMO.

Herself
May 30, 2004, 01:03 AM
Dislike. Glocks are the very bestest plastic guns around, and just as dependable as a good hammer but....

As it happens, I use hand tools a lot in earning a living, and I more or less collect them. The very worst kind of hammer is one of those "space-age" jobbies with a metal handle and a rubber grip: after an hour, it stings your hand like mad. If you're going to be really using it much, you want a hammer with an old-time wooden handle.

And there's Glocks: that "safety" trigger bites my finger. Does lead go downrange and make holes in the general vicinity of the center of the target? Yes it does, every time. The grip/frame stings my hand, every time. And I go home with Glockfinger, happy to leave the range.

Tools can be "just tools:" you use 'em and beat 'em up and get a paycheck Friday and t'heck with 'em. But the tools folks get really good with have something more: they have some soul or character. They warm up in your hand and become a part of the work. I don't need Japanese garnish awls -- an old nail sharpened up would do okay. I don''t need a set of cabinetmaker's screwdrivers, cheapies from the five and dime would work. And I don't need a brace or two of obscure Spanish pistols, either. But they're all fun to use and to look at, and make using them a thing to look forward to rather than a chore.

I'm sure Glocks are fun and friendly for many users. They just don't to anything for me that way, and they do a bit too much to me.

...As for accessorizing, the boys at the gun shop had an ad for sideways sights for Glocks the other day. I think it was a joke....:scrutiny:

--Herself

Feanaro
May 30, 2004, 02:16 AM
I like Glocks because they are simply tools. It works every time I want it to, no questions. What more can I want?

A tool that works and feels good? A tool that works and doesn't eat your hands? A tool that works and has a good trigger? :neener:

Okay, time to put my serious cap on. Some people like the feel of a Glock. What planet and species they belong to is something I have yet to pin down though. Errr, serious, right. If it works for you, I'm happy for you. Glocks and I just don't jell. And we definately aren't jellin' like Magellan.

Marshall
May 30, 2004, 02:59 AM
I would mark "don't think about them enough to love them or hate them" if it was an option. :)

Obiwan
May 30, 2004, 10:12 AM
Like/love some of them....like my G19's....

If I had to pick up a brand new handgun...of the shelf...and needed it to WORK....right now right here....some level of urgency.

I would grab a Glock

And I would be confident it would work reliably and allow me to get hits quickly and accurately.

One rather telling point is that many/most of the top instructors.....people that have been in harms way...and people that have seen a lot of different weapons go mammaries vertical around the world......

Are proponents of the Glock handgun.....even those that don't choose it for themselves...for whatever reason.....

Most/all of them still have good things to say about them......

They are not perfect...and they are not for everyone...we are all different

But they work

Berg01
May 30, 2004, 11:05 AM
Glocks are no better or worse than my Sig and CZ, just different, and thats O.K

Duke of Lawnchair
May 30, 2004, 12:29 PM
I likey glocks.

arizona
May 30, 2004, 12:33 PM
Didn't originally like them or hate them but had no interest in buying a plastic gun.

Finally purchased a G19 several years ago just to see what the interest was all about. Thought I wasn't impressed and sold it.

Then a couple yeares later wanted another one. Odd how the desire to purchase a gun you don't have seems to build. :rolleyes:

So I purchased another G19 this time a 19C with all the upgrades the Glockmeister recommended except the mag release extension.

It is everything I need or would want in a 9mm pistol.

I keeping this one. If I didn't, I would have to go and buy another one anyway.

..
May 30, 2004, 05:04 PM
Yeah, I like Glocks. Their simplicity and durability is amazing. They don't rust, don't have to worry about cleaning it every range trip and I can work on them with a friggin bic pen.

Most people whine cause Glock does what their overpriced (fill in the blank) can't. Glock is also the most popular handgun and own %65+ of the leo market. People always take shots at what is popular.

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