Don't buy a PagerPal holster

[Jacobus Rex]

Don’t bother with buying a PagerPal holster. I purchased one a little over two months ago. It broke the first time that I put it on about 15 minutes after I opened the package. I thought no problem; I’ll just call them and send it to them for repair/replacement. I soon learned that PagerPal doesn’t honor their warranty unless they sell you the holster directly from their website/phone order. In other words, no warranty on any holsters sold at a gun shop, etc. I explained to them that the store that I bought it from has no more and is getting no more. I didn’t want to just return it for a refund either because I expect the warranty to be honored. After a long phone call, they finally agreed to replace it. I sent the holster in and called to check the next week. They stated they had decided not to honor the warranty after all. I reminded them they had promised to do so and they again agreed to replace it. I’ve repeated this dance once per week for the last 7 or 8 weeks. I’m just giving up. They haven’t returned my broken holster but they can just keep it. I see their point to some degree. However, they should have never agreed to replace it and then backed out.

[Ex-MA Hole]

I was looking at these a while back-

Why don't you send them a copy of this letter, as well as the current # of members that will probably read this. That may help your cause.

[Highland Ranger]

Send them a copy of this thread.

I wonder if manufacturers realize how many people make buying decisions based on things like this board . . . . .

So your posting will represent some portion of 11,000+ members and their freinds to whom they give advice who will not buy this product.

That doesn't count those who will read the post who aren't members.

And it's not just a random sampling; this is their target market.

Foolish. Maybe they'll be better at whatever else it is they decide to do after they go out of business.

[ChristopherG]

You anti-sold me; I won't buy one.

[NJ3]

I'll never buy one. Thank You

[Rocko]

IMHO, you'd be much better off with a normal IWB holster from a quality manufacturer anyway. Hell, does anyone really even carry pagers anymore, let alone the late-80's style I saw the pager pals use the last time I saw them? Even if you get a slight buldge in a light shirt from a normal IWB, most people nowadays would probably think it is a cell phone on your belt. In fact, a fake pager outta 1989 would probably garner more attention nowadays. And if you need to tuck your shirt in, there are IWB options for that as well...

But I do agree that they've provided very poor customer service. Every time I saw the guys at the local gunshows hawking these, they always came across as a bit of a shady operation.

Rocko

[Norton]

Rocko beat me to the punch, so to speak. We saw these at the NRA meeting in Pittsburgh and, while a cool idea, I wondered how effective they would be at concealing the holster given that no carries pagers anymore. I thought that a cell phone decoy would be far more effective.

[ducktapehero]

I won't buy one either. I was looking at those too. If that's how they treat their customers then I'll buy something else.

[SouthpawShootr]

Just out of curiosity, how did it break? Was it the false pager that broke or did something go wrong with the stitching?

I have one and hate it. Tried it a few times with a small gun and couldn't make it work without poking me, so its in my box of garbage holsters.

There's a group that sells these every gunshow around here (I have no idea if they are in business for themselves are are employed by the company that makes these abominations). They typically use a big gun (like a full-size USP) and really baggy jeans in their demo. I've had a conversation or two with these guys from time to time and came away checking myself to make sure I still had my wallet. :D

Want to hear something ridiculous? I know a several police officers who think PagerPal is the greatest thing since sliced bread:what:

[boofus]

I bought one of these for my P7M8 and it works pretty well when you are standing. But try walking or sitting down and it looks like you have a raging hard on. Not to mention it makes bending over to tie your shoe or picking things up a b*tch. I wish I had gotten something different now.

The company that makes these has a clip that you can use to put your cell phone or a knife case on instead. But it doesn't solve the hard-on problem.

[gunslinger387]

Here is one more post that you can send them from someone else who will not be being purchasing their product due to poor customer service.

[TallPine]

does anyone really even carry pagers anymore
I do, for the volunteer fire dept. (Motorola "Minitor IV")

I don't know if thats a 1989 version or not ...? Probably is, considering how poor this county is.

But I just carry OWB - to heck with it!

[SouthpawShootr]

does anyone really even carry pagers anymore

When I'm on-call I do. Then again my employer is notoriously cheap. Wouldn't expect them to provide cell phones - ever. I did have a personal pager, but my provider is discontinuing service as of June 15. I have a cell with voice mail and caller ID, so I don't think I will replace it.

[Mr Jody Hudson]

I've noticed that although we have over 11,000 members of this board there are usually just as many visitors reading as there are members reading the board.

At this moment there are: There are currently 201 members and 183 guests on the boards. This I just copied and pasted from the bottom of the home page.

Additionally, if someone does a search on something, like pager pal, this board and these postings may well come up in the search.

This is another reason that we, as members, need to be prudent and responsible in our communications here... our messages will be here and searchable for a long time, most likely.

And, companies that put out poor products and have poor customer service may get a somewhat permanent record of such on boards such as these.

And, many of us are members of other boards....

These discussion boards can be a good thing for ethical companies and people and a bad thing for companies and people who are not so ethical... :fire:

[jptsr1]

Will do brother, they are officially banned from my shoebox.

J.

[Black Majik]

Wow, that's pretty horrible service.



Just to jump on the bandwagon, I'll boycott their product also. Thanks for the heads up.

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[Model520Fan]

Thanks for the "Heads up."

[The Undertoad]

A good friend has a pagerpal and loves it... he won't really listen when I tell him he could get a much better IWB but hey, he is happy with it and has been carrying with it for at least a year and it's still in one piece.

I personally wouldn't buy one but variety is the spice of life. Thanks for the heads up on the company's service though, that would certainly make me think twice.

[BluesBear]

The one's I have seen didn't appear to be very sturdy.

Knowing that they don't stand behind thir product means that I will neither buy nor recommend one.

Ever!

[c_yeager]

I always buy from companies that support their products. If that means i have to spend more money thats fine by me.

I too won't be looking into buying anything from these guys.

[Stand_Watie]

I was thinking about buying one. Thanks a million for the heads up. Would I be hijacking to ask for suggestions for an inside the belt holster for a Bersa .380?

[Black Majik]

Anyone sent them an email linking them to this thread?

Info@pagerpal.com

I dont wanna do it, but it'll teach them a lesson not to stand behind their product. If their own company wont stand behind their product, it doesn't say much about the product itself. :uhoh:

[Serpico]

I just saw one the other day for the first time at a store near me....they mus have an incredible sales person to get distibutors.....as far as I'm concerned, it is the gia pet of holsters....

[MICHAEL T]

They won t bw getting any of my money. :cuss: Thanks for the info.

[Thrash1982]

I've seen these before. Thought it was a clever idea at the time. I'll never even think of buying one now

[Diamondback]

Pathetic customer service..............no doubt this company needs to hire a customer service guru. It's NOT that hard.......treat others as you would want to be treated and stand behind your product ! Incidentily those companies that will take anything back at any time , like LL Bean ect. claim that less than 1% of all buyers take unscrupulous advantage of the policy. LESS than 1% ! Make people happy...in the long run it pays dividends. Go out of the way to treat the customer like they're family.........it's so simple....the question is why are there businesses that don't get it ?

[raz-0]

I'm completley willing to accept "unusual" customer service from a small company and work with them.

however, you stick a warranty in/on the box, and don't honor it, you'll never see my money. Period.

[Diamondback]

"Unusual customer service" is one reason why companies remain "small"....think small.....be small !

[LynnMassGuy]

I will not buy from them.

[mec]

Don't know about customer support but they show up at the gunshows around here. The pager pal dude uses a fake amt backup for a demo and admits the rig works best with little bitty guns. He can draw the gun very fast and can disappear the entire rig under ordinary clothing like lightning.

Back about 1995 he made a trip to the waco convention center gunshow. If rumors are true, at the end of the show he was carrying an armload of pager pals back to the car when he was accosted and robbed by a troop of Brazos Valley indiginees. It was said that he then swore off Waco forever. Dont' know if the entire story is true but he hasn't been back.

[BryanP]

I've seen them at the Nashville show at least once. It looked interesting, but I decided to pass as I already carry a pager as part of my job (yes, some people still do) and IWB holsters can be a problem for guys like me with "Dunlop Disease." ;)

[eje]

Looks like there's another side to the story:

http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=251510

[Zundfolge]

I bought one of these for my P7M8 and it works pretty well when you are standing.

ANY concealment holster will work pretty well when standing, not moving and not standing in the wind :neener:

Back when I had a Kahr MK40 I considered a PagerPal ... guess I'm glad I went with an Alessi Talon Plus (ordered direct from Lou Alessi himself ... good man to deal with BTW).

[Longbow]

Thanks for the heads up. I'll tell my friends too.

[drf]

I was just getting ready to buy one.... Thanks for the info...drf

[Sportcat]

Contact the Better Business Berau.

[denfoote]

I would be speaking to the Texas Attorney Generals office, Consumer Fraud Division!!
Make sure you have your original reciept and shipping invoice!!
At the very least, they have stolen your property!! :cuss:

[eje]

Check the link to the Glocktalk thread in my previous post above. Pager Pal says this guy had a 4 year old holster, would not provide the name of the dealer where he purchased it, didn't have a purchase receipt, and they did replace his holster. So maybe the thread starter can check in and explain what's really going on here.

[mec]

I don't mind hearing that. The pager pal people are real nice at their public appearances.

[George Hill]

I see their point to some degree.

I don't. Not one bit. They make a product they should stand behind it. Period. No excuses. If they have to make excuses then the product isn't worth while.

I'm sorry you got bit, but it serves as a warning for the rest of us.

Maybe we should all send these fools a note saying "Thanks for the great support you gave our buddy... for this, we are never buying one of your products."

[oldgold]

Thanks for the info.

I teach CCw in Ohio, be a service to pass this along.

Goldy

[Vapor63]

If you check out the website there is a little "review" window in the lower right. Simply refresh to cycle to a new one. I sat for 15 minutes entertained by all of the horrible reviews stating that they stole their money and that PagerPal is horrible.

www.PagerPal.com (http://www.pagerpal.com)

[w1mnk]

It's pretty strange that they allow all those bad reviews on the Web site. It appears that they are just completely oblvious.... probably because it is a secondary business. I bought one at a gun show a few months ago, but have yet to use it. It appears to be well made, and when I tried it, the concealment was good. But in light of the bad customer service, I would think twice about buying from them again.

[Jacobus Rex]

I'm sorry it took a while to respond. I do carry a pager because of work. I was planning on trying my .380 in the PagerPal holster.

However, I did get my holster finally! They must have mailed it about the time that I finally gave up and posted. I sure hadn't received it when I posted!

Regarding the GlockTalk thread on the same subject and PagerPal's response to a GlockTalk member's inquiry into it. I posted the following on GlockTalk:


Sorry that I'm slow to respond but just got the chance to read the whole thread and reply.

Checked my mail again and did just get a holster from PagerPal. (It didn't arrive until the day after I posted my message.) However, PagerPal's response to mkriegel doesn't make sense to me. The holster that I bought was different from the replacement that I received. The holster that I purchase was new in the package, purchased one day before I called them. Maybe it had been on the shelf a while or had been one from an older stock that they shipped the dealer?? I did have a receipt but didn't send a copy because they had confirmed the replacement over the phone. I referenced the phone call in my letter that I sent. I'm very mad over the implication that I sent them an old holster and they were "gracious" enough to replace it anyway. Furthermore, I gave them the name of the gunshop and the town it is located in. However, I explained that the dealer had sold the last one and was not planning on carrying them anymore.

The holster broke where it attaches to the belt while I was trying it on for the first time.

I guess to make a longer story short:

1. Yes, I bought a new holster from a gunshop. I couldn't tell you anything about the old/new design thing. Other than the new one is different from the old one.

2. Yes, I did have a receipt. I told them that over the phone. However, didn't send a copy with the returned holster because they had already approved the return. I referenced the RMA phone call.

3. They did "change their minds" ever single time that I called them. They even said they had created a "problem file" because the holster wasn't going to be replaced. Each time I had to reference their initial approval of the return and convince them to honor their warranty even though I bought it new from a dealer one day before I contacted them.

4. When I did finally get my holster it had somebody else’s name on the package but my address??? I hope somebody else didn't miss getting their holster.

Anyway, If you want to learn more about their customer service just go to their own website at www.pagerpal.com and take a look in the right column. Click on the reviews that get listed there each time you reload.

[jetman]

I'm so tired of the shabby customr service companies are exending these days. I had considered on of the holders since I too have a pger at work and carry a small Kahr PM9. I wouldnt wear one for free now.

[Gordon]

I have one for a folding knife and lightweight officers model. Nice and easy to slip on going to the store at night. I never wore it long term , it DOES look pretty flimsy with low grade stitching. Customer service?, they don't need no stinking customer service!:p

[Man-O-War]

I really cannot believe the reviews on their website. That is hilarious. Not a single positive one. If I had reviews like that, I would at least remove them and show nothing. I guess someone else built their web page and they do not know how to remove those reviews. How could a company be that stupid? I can safely say I will NEVER buy a PagerPal holster. Ever!

[Stand_Watie]

In addition to the horrible reviews, read their "testimonials". They have two magazine articles and two supposed testimonials that both link to the same blurb from a police officer who is conveniently anonomous because he's "undercover".

I see they are right here in the DFW Texas area, and operate out of some of our local gun shows - if I see them I'll be sure and mention that their customer service could use some work.

[seanmc42]

Thanks for the warning - in my opinion, the most useful aspect of the web is the ability to share consumer warnings such as this.
Not only will I not buy one of these POS', but I'll make sure never to do business with this company.

[ExtremeDooty]

I bought a pagerpal from my CCW Instructor and it broke within a couple of days. My Instructor replaced it, but I couldn't get used to it and stopped using it. Recently, I gave it to my shooting buddy at no charge. He just gave it back, also at no charge. I won't make that mistake again.

[shooter1]

I bought a "Pager Pal" a couple of years ago at a gunshow. Seemed like a good idea at the time. THEN, I put it on and holstered the P-11 that I bought it for----------looked and felt like I had a large tumor! Couldn't find a carry position that was concealable or even bearable from a comfort standpoint. I droped it into my "ooooooops" box, and it hasn't been heard from since! Oh well, back to IWB or belly band!
str1

[paladyn]

I got suckered into buying one at the last gun show. It stinks, quite frankly. It's very uncomfortable, even with my little 3 inch pistol.
Now I'm stuck with it.

[mec]

There was a holster editor at one of the gun magazines afew years ago who decided what the heck and just started writing about several hide out rigs. He mentioned one of them had a stain ring on it from being used as a coaster. I immediately pictured a pager pal.

What he really got after though was the Thunderwear rig. His wife came in and thought he had manifest a priapism. " I stood up Oh! the pain! I sat down-ah! the agony... This thing gives a whole new meaning to the word 'SqueezeCocker!' "

Funny dang thing though, this really did provoke an angry response from the SqueezeCocker people who advertized in the magazine. Somehow or another, the holster guy managed to pull it out of the fire and kept the account.

[JPL]

A promise to replace a broken product is a verbal contract.

Remind them of that, then sue them if necessary.

[Serpico]

Frankly, the pager works worse than the holster...I haven't gotten one page since I bought it....

[owsi26]

This holster always looked a bit cheap to me and not really that concealing. Now I know the company is cheap and indifferent to their consumers. Add me to the list of people who will NEVER buy from them based just on your experience!

Alan

[shooter1]

Serpico,

Noticed that too, did ya? Quietest pager I ever had as well! Good to wear when you don't want to be disturbed.
st1

[naaguardian]

I am a Pager Pal dealer in Southeastern Michigan. I've spoken several times with the inventor of the holster, and I have had nothing but good experiences with the company. I have two Pager Pal holsters and both are intact and unbroken. I carry a Beretta 9000S, a Sig P239, and a Kahr P9 (no, not at the same time) and all three guns work well with the holster. With practice you can draw and target in under one second. And yes, law enforcement typically loves these holsters. The false pager is only one of five different attachments available. You can purchase a cellphone attachment, a maglite attachment (a good tool to have handy at night and in low-light situations), an eyeglass case attachment, a pager case attachment so that you can use your own pager (and yes, many people, especially corporate employees still carry them), and an attachment for law enforcement which is simply a badge mount for the belt. The holster is well-made, but it must be broken in to use. A good mink oil will soften the holster so that it forms to the contour of the thigh when you wear it. Please remember that anyone who sees your gun in an IWB or OWB, shoulder rig, ankle rig, etc. can put you in a world of hurt. The beauty of the Pager Pal is that the profile of your gun cannot be detected, and it can be drawn and targeted in under one second with practice. If you find any other holster that provides that kind of concealability and functionality. . . buy it.

[rcellis]

I bought one - tried it once. It's a wonderful fake viagra, and lasts well more than four hours.

It's in a drawer and will likely stay there.

[possum]

Thanks,I was looking at these a while back-

yeah me too thinks for the review!

[denfoote]

The first CCW holster was a large pager pal.

So far it has worked well.
I use it to carry my P95.

[SouthpawShootr]

Fascinating................This thread is over 2 years old.:what:

So far gone, I didn't even remember responding to it.

[Jacobus Rex]

Wow. Night of the Living Thread!

P.S. Even after two years, I still think their customer service is the worst in the business and the product is cheaply made compared to the price. Although, I do get a kick out of the PagerPal "dealers" with large "tumors" in their pants at the Houston gun shows. :scrutiny:

[denfoote]

Fascinating................This thread is over 2 years old.

That's why my answer was couched in terms of the dim dark past!!

BTW, I still have the pager pal holster. I haul it out and wear it sometimes!!

[zoom6zoom]

Fascinating................This thread is over 2 years old.

And resurrected by someone who sells them. Must be enjoying that corporate Kool-aid, eh?

[PinnedAndRecessed]

Glad I stumbled onto this thread. Want to put pagerpal on my ignore list.

[PinnedAndRecessed]

Ok. I just managed to find their website. It was (note past tense) in my collection of links. No more.

Anyway, they cleaned up the testimonials section. Big time.

Now there's just a few testimonials. The first one is, no surprise, "name withheld for security reasons." Yeah, like I really trust those kinds of testimonials.

But, and hold on to your hats, there's also a glowing recommendation from our own Massad Ayoob!

Interesting.

(Does he get paid for stuff like that?)

[taliv]

If you find any other holster that provides that kind of concealability and functionality. . . buy it.

i did, thanks. (milt sparks summer special II)


jacobus, if you think these guys have bad service, trying sending a 50bmg to bearcoat for refinishing

[birddog1]

I had one I bought at a gun show right after Ohio passed the ccw law. I got home, tried it out and returned it the next day. It was the most uncomfortable thing I've ever worn.

[aguyindallas]

I bought one about 5 years ago....

Thankfully eBay was around to help me recoup my funds.

[albanian]

"Please remember that anyone who sees your gun in an IWB or OWB, shoulder rig, ankle rig, etc. can put you in a world of hurt. The beauty of the Pager Pal is that the profile of your gun cannot be detected, and it can be drawn and targeted in under one second with practice. If you find any other holster that provides that kind of concealability and functionality. . . buy it."

I haven't found ANY IWB holster that is both comfortable and fast. I doubt that the Pager Pal is going to be any better than my Galco. From what I am reading about the Pager Pal, I don't see any reason to risk my money on one.

[Chipperman]

So we have a new member that registered to resurrect a two year old thread in order to defend a product. No further posts from this new member.....

Interesting. :scrutiny:

[hexidismal]

What's really interesting about this "back from the dead" thread , is that considering how old it was prior to the post on the 20th it was obviously searched for by keyword "pagerpal" by the new member that said..
I am a Pager Pal dealer in Southeastern Michigan.
Now, it's clear that he intended to restore some faith in this holster by his post. Which is logical considering he's a dealer of the product ... but, with so many horrible reveiws of the thing in this thread I imagine he's only going to make it even less popular to THR readers. Especially to prospective buyers who might have purchased one on impulse, or at least without considering searching the forums for a thread from 2004. :scrutiny:

[naaguardian]

Most of the responses in this thread are from individuals who have never owned, used, or even seen a Pager Pal holster. Yet they all appear to be experts. For every shooter who is happy with his or her gun / holster / ammo / gun safe / etc, etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseum, and says so, there are at least 10 or more shooters that can 'prove' beyond doubt that the first shooter's opinions are wrong. I have other holsters, and I use them when the situation warrants a different holster than the Pager Pal. Flexibility and adaptability is a key ingredient to all martial techniques--at least that's what they taught me in the Army, and the strategy has always proven true since then. But for 100% concealment without a tell-tale profile of the gun through the clothing, the Pager Pal is a good buy. One reader quipped about the 'tumor' in the front of Pager Pal dealer's pants. Well, if you can conceal a firearm under your clothing without a tell-tale 'tumor' of some degree you've accomplished the impossible. The Pager Pal does show from the front--the degree of read is determined by the style of pants you wear. In any case, it's a well-made holster, endorsed by many LEO's and their organizations, and sold at a reasonable price for a leather concealment holster. One individual's experience with the product and the company is not a testimonial against the product and the company, it's simply a testimonial of one individual's experience.

[Joe Demko]

it looks like you have a raging hard on.

Isn't that the huge revolver from Taurus? Those aren't really suitable for concealed carry anyway. Maybe get a S&W snubby or a compact 9mm instead.

[Socrates]

I can easily see why LEO's would like it. Anyone carrying it is SUPER EASY to pick out as carrying a concealed weapon, if you know what to look for.

I bought one, and, I have the fake pager that doesn't look like a pager, and, I bought the eye glass case, which is stiched and made in a way that screams,

"Hi, I"m a fake, and glasses don't fit in me. By my stiching, and design, it's obvious I'm carrying a PagerPal Holster, and, I look like I was made by someone who is a holster maker, and on the same machine that stiches the holsters. SCREAMING GUN!!!!"

After these two, terrible renditions of 'efforts' to provide a reasonable
conceal point, I gave up. Spent enough money on the thing, and, spending
more is just throwing good money after bad. I just looked at it again, and, the cheap plastic clip slide in on the pager always looks like it's going to break, and, the stiching on the eyeglass case does look IDENTICAL
TO THE HOLSTER STICHING. It makes the eyeglass case look just as I described it, a case made of the same leather, and stiched on the same machine as the holster. GUESS WHAT??? IT LOOKS LIKE A HOLSTER.
GREAT CONCEALMENT PLAN, GUYS.:rolleyes:

I just tried the holster with my 360 PD. If I took the grip off the gun, it might not print as badly as it did with the 1911 UC II.

What a waste of good money.



I used to keep an UC II in the holster, under my bed, but sold it. Ebay is a great idea, except, it's hard for me to sell this thing to anyone. Unlike the makers, I have to stand behind what I sell...

S

[eagle45]

I bought one like birddog1, right after Ohio passed CCW. I tried to like it, but just couldn't. I never did get rid of it though, it's in the drawer with a lot of others that just did not work for me. Similar concept as the thunderwear though, which I happen to like.

As far as pagers go, those that think they are not still used are mistaken. One of my job functions is to handle the cell phones and pagers for a medium sized medical service company. Most of the physicians we employ must carry a pager in addition to a cell phone because there are many places in the hospital where cell phones are not permitted. Many of them prefer the pager over the cell phone. Granted, they are not used as much as in the past, but they are very much still in use.

I did try replacing the fake pager on the PagerPal with a real one, and it is possible. Still did not like the holster though.

[ExtremeDooty]

The pager on my pager pal broke the first time out. The dealer replaced it right away, but I never could get used to wearing it, especially since I was driving a lot back then. I gave it to a buddy, but he gave it back. I wonder where that thing ended up? It must be around here someplace.

Another problem I see with this holster, especially for you younger guys, if you wear it on a date, at the end of the evening, the girl may be expecting a whole lot more than you can deliver.:o

[M2]

Here's an idea, those of you with PagerPals who hate them so much, sell them to some of the other folks on here who would like to try them out. At least you will recoup some of your money, it's worth nothing to you sitting in a drawer somewhere; and the PagerPal company won't make any more profit off the sale of new holsters! That way we can get more honest opinions from those who have actually tried and worn it.

If anyone has a large PagerPal and is willing to part with it, send me a message.

Cheers! M2

[Flopsy]

I prefer my smartcarry anyway. If you're going to use something like that, I didn't see any reason to have a visible clip when the smartcarry will conceal the rig 100%. Now I have 2 reasons not to get a pagerpal.

[hurrakane212]

Quoting naagaurdian:
For every shooter who is happy with his or her gun / holster / ammo / gun safe / etc, etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseum, and says so, there are at least 10 or more shooters that can 'prove' beyond doubt that the first shooter's opinions are wrong.

Oh really?
Find me some dirt on Lou Alessi, Mitch Rosen, Eric from HBE, Mika pocket holsters, Crossbreed (ok, ok the wait time, but only because I'm impatient...;) ) There are several well respected, high quality holster companies that will go above and beyond to make sure the customer is happy. Tucker Gunleather has a LIFETIME warranty.
If your workmanship is quality you should not be hesitant to unquestioningly stand by your product (under normal use).
Face it man, it's pager pal with the thread devoted to how the product and customer service are not up to snuff. Not any of the other outfits.~Nathan

[albanian]

"Here's an idea, those of you with PagerPals who hate them so much, sell them to some of the other folks on here who would like to try them out. At least you will recoup some of your money, it's worth nothing to you sitting in a drawer somewhere; and the PagerPal company won't make any more profit off the sale of new holsters! That way we can get more honest opinions from those who have actually tried and worn it."

That is a good idea but after reading all these posts, I don't think you are going to find many people willing to put down good money for a product that is considered to be junk. I know I wouldn't pay much for one. I doubt I would even pay the shipping if someone were to give me one.

[Navy joe]

The beauty of the Pager Pal is that the profile of your gun cannot be detected, and it can be drawn and targeted in under one second with practice. If you find any other holster that provides that kind of concealability and functionality. . . buy it.

BS, pure and simple. I regularly attend local IDPA matches where they often run what is the informal club standard exercise. One string in the exercise is one shot from retention on a full target at 3 yards. Being a standard, concealment clothing is not required. Of 40 shooters 2-3 will be under one second. That would be the 2-3 master class guys. I consistently run .85-.90 with a G17 from a Bladetech holster. I am sure Rob Leatham could do the same in .50. Now you expect me to believe some one can draw and "target" in sub one second after fumbling around in their pants when reacting to a suprise stimulus? Wow, you Pagerpal guys are chock full of grandmaster goodness.

[TxPhantom]

My wife bought one of those at a local gun show a couple of months ago for about fifty bucks. 1st thing we had to do was take that pager (or whatever) thing off. Who uses a pager anyway and the cell phone wouldn't fit. It works sorta ok on her but I can't get it to look right with my medium sized beer belly. I think it's in one of her desk drawers. Not worth $50.00 to me.:what:

[RyanM]

Most of the responses in this thread are from individuals who have never owned, used, or even seen a Pager Pal holster.

Is this guy dumb or something, or did he just decide to not read the thread? Every other post after the first page says "I bought one, it was horrible, and now I regret ever buying it."

[Sean Dempsey]

I've got a black pagerpal I bought for my XD9 subcompact.

I have switch to a bellyband "man panties" style holster now. I like it more.

I will sell the pagerpal to whoever, just make a reasonable offer and pay shipping. I've used it for maybe 20 minutes?

[Gordon]

I bought one that took a folding knife quite a while back. I found it would take my Colt Officers model down thru Medium auto and up to Detective Special revolvers. It is not very well made or quality materials but has not broken in the few dozen times I deemed it neccesary for "deep cover" :cool:

[Hot brass]

Just looking at a new holster, the Pager Pal "WAS" something I was going to considder.

Not anymore.

Thanks for the warning.

[jeepmor]

Edited to remove comments against HBE delivery time. Thanks for the explanation Eric, it means everything to me as a customer and is forgiven. But seriously man, I really think you need some staff helping you out. If I lived in your area, I'd be knocking on your door asking if I could help because I too am a craftsman. Well, I used to be, now I just babysit silicon wafers, about as satisfying as any other corporate job I suppose. :(

As noted above, forgiveness is very easy for me when I'm communicated with. When I'm not, I suspect I'm being taken and become more likely to steer people away, just like this thread is doing for pager pal. I saw that contraption on their website, was not impressed with something that big being posed as a "pager" holder. Pagers have clips on them, why would I need something else with a clip to clip my pager too???? Liked the idea initially since it completely concealed the firearm below the bend line. but the guy was wearing such baggy pants he could have hidden an AR15 pistol in there. Thanks for the warnings on the low quality craftsmanship of the pagerpals. Hopefully feedback on forums like this will get the message across.

Eric read this and got back to me, which is why I removed my comments. Like I said, communication with reasonable explanations are easy for me to forgive because I just don't like carrying grudges on anyone because it's not healthy. Plus, we ALL deserve the benefit of the doubt on occasion.

jeepmor

[TxPhantom]

I can't imagine ordering a holster that takes 18 weeks to produce and it being 8 weeks over due. That's six & a half months! I'd be ready to explode! I am waiting on my Crossbreed holster (for S & W MP40) that, as of now, is only a week late of the promised six week delivery estimate. I've had no communication either but I guess it's a little soon to worry about it. I've only heard good things about the Crossbreed and the man that owns the company. We will see.:rolleyes:
By the way since I don't know every holster maker, who is HBE?:confused:

[aguyindallas]

Count me as one of the folks that due to poor service will never consider anything with their name on it.

[Carl N. Brown]

So if the pager holster is a give-away because nobody
really carries pagers anymore, my 8-track concealment
box must be a bad idea too.

I carry my cellphone in a case designed for a small Mace
canister.

[K.L.O.sako]

thaks for the info Iwont by one. have you tryed S.O.B.(small of back
) types yet.there akward at first while driving but soon you dont notice its there.

[PCRCCW]

Interesting thread........PagerPals are for a very distinct group of people who arent built like me or as a matter of fact, anyone I know or who have spoken with.....I could never get them to work and after breaking about 20 pagers just doing practice draws in the attempts to getting it to work....lost my faith in its ability to work in general.

They may honestly work for some people...and to those people, Im happy you like them! Personally they are uncomfortable, didnt conceal that well, dont work that well and broke when I actually did try for 4-6 months playing with 2 o3 3 of them.


Jeepmor....PM sent.

Shoot well and god bless.

[fastford19]

How well would this holster work with my build. I am 6'3" 200lbs, Wear somewhat baggy clothing.

[shooter1]

ff19,
Unfortunately, you'll have to try one to know if it works for you. I'm about your size, 20# heavier. I bought one to carry a P-11. It was pretty uncomfortable, and printed pretty bad in my clothes. It was slow to draw as you would expect from deep cover. I jokingly told friends that I had developed a tumor to explan the bulge. Mine is still in my holster box somewhere. I found that a "Belly Band", with the pistol carried high ip into the armpit works well for deep cover and a medium sized pistol, ie Glock 36, Officer's 1911, PF-9.
I, like others, have a pretty good collection of holsters that just didn't work out. Good luck on your quest!
str1

http://www.customexports.com/GunHolsters.htm

Check out the Deep Cover Shoulder Holster.

[glazer1972]

I stopped in front of that guys table at a guns show once. He proceeded to show my wife one of those and tried sticking his hand down the front of her pants. She started backing up and he was visibly perturbed. We walked on then. At shows after that we would make it a point to bypass his table and his junk. She said if he tried to stick his hands down her pants one more time she was gonna lay him out.

[Dr.Who]

Here's another one that will not buy.....

[Bruce333]

I just watched the demo video on the Pagerpal website.

What I don't like is that every time he draws the gun he sweeps his arm with the muzzle...I'm sure you could use the holster without sweeping yourself, but it would be slower.

I'll pass on these also...

[SouthpawShootr]

stopped in front of that guys table at a guns show once. He proceeded to show my wife one of those and tried sticking his hand down the front of her pants. She started backing up and he was visibly perturbed. We walked on then. At shows after that we would make it a point to bypass his table and his junk. She said if he tried to stick his hands down her pants one more time she was gonna lay him out.

Perturbed? :what: He should have been arrested for assault. What a dope.

[bobjaxbch]

I ordered a pager pal Dec. 15 2006 from their website. Paid for it with a visa debit card ($65.95). They debited my account on Dec. 18th. At the time I ordered it, they indicated that they had over 4000 in stock. Today is Jan 4 2007. Still no holster. They don't answer their phone. They won't return messages left on their answering machine. And won't respond to emails. I advised them on the 28th to credit my bank account via email and voice mail. They haven't responded.
Beware of these people. :mad:

[Avizpls]

Not that I ever would have, but I will not buy one.

check out smartcarry. A MUCH better option

[davhina]

Wow,
Sure wish i had read this back in november. Have had the same issues with lack of customer service. I ordered one with a holder for my cell instead of a pager, back on 11/16/06. Still no holster. Did finally recieve a reply via email telling me it shipped 11/16/06 and should be here. After pointing out that i ordered it 2 days after they say it shipped i have not heard back from them.

Since i am also new to ccw and have yet to find a good holster can someone recomend a brand of IWB hoslter?
Thanks and stay away from pagerpal

[ExtremeDooty]

www.raftersgunleather.com

Great holsters and pretty, too.

[Highland Ranger]

bobjax - make sure you contest the charge.

if a company is running a scam and enough people contest their charges, at some point they get in trouble with the credit card banks . . . .

The security of using a credit card also means that you don't have to pay for something you did not receive.

[Sliphorn]

I certainly can't speak to the experience of others, but I really like the Pager Pal. I've been carrying my Walther PPK/S in one for five years or so. It's not perfect-is there a perfect ccw holster?-sometimes it's uncomfortable when sitting, sometimes my shirt gets wrapped over the gun and I have to deal with it (looks like I'm merely tucking in my shirt), and with certain pleated trousers the paddle prints through (but not the gun!). On balance, though, it's the most useful holster I own. I use it with a cell phone holder. I practice draws with it regularly, and find it only a tad bit slower than the iwb holster I used to use. Granted, a "tad bit" could conceivably be the difference between life & death, but a quick draw is useless if you can't wear the holster with certain outfits or if the gun shows and gets you into hot water!

[boontok]

If anyone here has a PagerPal that they would like to sell or give me (I will pay for shipping), then please let me know. I would need a large, preferably in black. Just message me through this forum. Thanks.

0[:|]mark

[ishootblanks]

I considered getting a couple of them but after your experience with them, they can keep them all. They won't be getting any of my money. Thank you for the information.

[Plink]

I tried a Pager Pal for a short time myself. I won it in a karma giveaway. The fake pager would have been easy to break alright, and I had heard many reports of it happening before. My main gripe was that my belt, even when worn loose, would lock the holster into my pants, making a fast presentation an impossibility. I could never find a method of carrying it that it was useable.

[former-redberet]

I have new one (worn twice for an hour or two both times). It worked well for me but I carry a 1911 in a galco high ride now. It did take about 3 weeks to receive it (I live 3 hours from there shop) after my card was charged and I had to call and go ape poop to get it then. I thought the same thing about their customer service.

All that being said, someone can have this one for $50 shipped (paid 66 I think). Its the large, black, and has the pager. I could have said it was new and no one would have know is in such good shape. Works great for me and is very good quality leather and stitching as far as I'm concerned.

[gunman724]

purchased a conceal wallet holster from their web site.
the order I placed sent error message saying theorder was not placed/resubmitted and again got the same message. When I checked next day it showed both orders had been accepted/I tried to notify several times via email and phone to no avail/to make a long story short I got two holsters/one nice quality leather the other very flimsy/don't do business with them YOU WILL BE SORRY

[mgregg85]

Hmm, I thought about one of these but I won't be going anywhere near them after hearing about this.

[SouthpawShootr]

purchased a conceal wallet holster from their web site.
the order I placed sent error message saying theorder was not placed/resubmitted and again got the same message. When I checked next day it showed both orders had been accepted/I tried to notify several times via email and phone to no avail/to make a long story short I got two holsters/one nice quality leather the other very flimsy/don't do business with them YOU WILL BE SORRY

I checked out their website for the holster you mention. Looks like vinyl. The stitching looks rough, almost handsewn.

I bought a similar holster from these people (this is probably the guy who design Pagerpal ripped off - and he's less expensive too :what: ): http://artofthehide.com/index.html

The Art of the Hide holster I have is very nice. I do notice from browsing their website that they no longer make one for the gun I have, an NAA Guardian. There's also a local (to me) guy who makes something similar.

[boontok]

I have heard to many negatives regarding PagerPal holsters. I had friend who had bad experiences as well.

I decided on a Smart Carry. This is the best holster I have ever tried.

I simply fastens around your body, below your hips. You put your underwear on, then the Smart Carry, then your pants.

I've had it for over a year now and was worried about quality, since it's made of denim. It has held up quite well so far. It doesn't let moisture from sweat reach my pistol. It still allows quite a bit of movement.

I wear pretty tight jeans most of the time and people don't know I'm carrying at all. I just turn the holster a bit to the right (I'm right handed) so that the pistol is resting over the inside of my thigh. This is a more natural position than front-and-center.

I do see myself buying another one later this year because this one will probably wear out. Like I said, I wear tight jeans--plus I do a lot of moving around, so this has given my Smart Carry a lot of abuse. I see it lasting until the 1 1/2 year mark... yours will probably go longer.

I hope this helps someone out.

//Mark

[tegemu]

Ditto on that - POS.

[jmorris]

You don’t see many pagers these days, maybe bellbottoms and an ankle holster would be more with the times.

[gunnerdog]

I ordered one of these holsters on line April 11 and paid for it with my credit card. The charge was posted on my account on the 14th. Since then, the web site seems to be gone and the phone number is no longer in service. Beware!

[packnrat]

bad costomer support, get's no money from me.

:uhoh:


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