[Highland Ranger]

First of all, from their mouth to God's ear.

However, with the constant send us money blitz, I have to wonder if this is yet another "get them fired up so they will send money" tactic.

So I replied, Yes, and that I would send money when they had actually established the program and when they actually had a game plan for how this was going to happen in NJ.

Did you get it and if so, how did you reply?

[RAY WOODROW 3RD]

No. I did not get it YET!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sure I will though.

It does sound like a pitch for MORE MONEY that never seems to be spent fighting the socialists in MY STATE.

Great point Highland Ranger. What about us slobs in NJ? What have you done for US lately (besides allowing us to bend over and take it up the kiester)?

[Highland Ranger]

Yeah I am bit tired of it.

I went to their site, apparently no mention of any campaign at all other than their 2004 right to carry page with facts: http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=18

[jnojr]

Congress cannot pass a law forcing states to recognize this. California, Maryland, New Jersey, etc. would have to pass laws recognizing this national carry, and there's absolutely no indication that they would do so.

[F4GIB]

It's just another NRA fundraising gumick.

Remember NRA spends ALL their money every year so they start off each January 1 with a 100 million deficit on the books and just enough cash to prime the member's money pump. If they can't make you AFRAID enough to give more, NRA will run out of cash in 90 days or so.

Victory in the "gun wars" would bankrupt both NRA and HCI in very short order.

[Reno]

Congress cannot pass a law forcing states to recognize this. California, Maryland, New Jersey, etc. would have to pass laws recognizing this national carry, and there's absolutely no indication that they would do so. Why couldn't they?

[gunsmith]

That would allow me to carry a CCW with JHP's when I visit my old home
(NYC/NJ) I would give them 1000$ a year for the rest of my life.

Right now they get my money and I feel they're are doing a fairly good job with it.
I never get fundraising letters other then the reminders that my dues for quarterly paid life membership is due...And I get a cool magazine too!

[Brett Bellmore]

Got it in the mail today, haven't looked at it yet.

As I see it, there are three potential basis for national concealed carry legislation.

1. According to the "living Constitution":barf: Congress is omnipotent.

2. Per the 14th amendment, Congress has power to enact legislation defending civil rights against state action. The RKBA IS a civil right.

3. Per the militia clause, Congress could probably authorize anyone in the unorganized militia to carry a weapon. I'm darned certain that they'd be legally entitled to command that we pack heat, as a matter of fact.

[hillbilly]

jnojr...

Just curious, but did I miss something.

Since when did federal laws passed by Congress have to get "approval" in the individual states?

Uh, ever been through the NICS? Uh, wasn't that a federal law passed by Congress?

Ever heard of the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

Even Mississippi had to recognize that one, like it or not.

hillbilly

[M1911Owner]

Congress cannot pass a law forcing states to recognize this.Actually, I think they do:A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

--Amendment IINo State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; ... nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. ... The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Amendment XIV

[Justin]

Remember NRA spends ALL their money every year so they start off each January 1 with a 100 million deficit on the books and just enough cash to prime the member's money pump. If they can't make you AFRAID enough to give more, NRA will run out of cash in 90 days or so. Source? :confused:

[Gray Peterson]

Also, full faith and credit clause in Article 4, Section 1.

[gunsmith]

Expect that same sex marraiage gets nationwide reciprocity while gun owners get nationwide oppression.

I say we get together with the pink pistols and add a pill to some pro same sex bill that allows both samesex marriage AND nationwide rciprocity.

[MountainPeak]

Good for the NRA! Is it likely to come to pass, no, but this is one gun owner that is not afraid of the fight!! "LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE"!!!:)

[MountainPeak]

gunsmith, that's EXACTLY the type of thing we should be doing. The liberals have used this tactic for years. I say, back at them, baby!! I would love to watch them squirm, when a pet project goes down in flames from a "poison pill"! Of course, Kerry WILL NOT be elected!!!!!! Better not be!:banghead:

[RealGun]

If the Feds are so proud of their interstate commerce authority, let them use it in a positive, pro-Constitution way and do away with licensing altogether.

You can't involve actual licensing, because their requirements would get all befuddled, none of which could be reconciled with the 2A. You can't handily talk in terms of reciprocity, because States like Vermont and Alaska do not require licensing.

For the Feds to get involved, they would first have to back off on a whole lot of other legislation first. Our frustration is based upon lack of cooperation among the States. Be careful about inviting the Feds to step in.

I have to admit that I would welcome an interim step of the Fed promoting uniformity in State licensing requirements, removing any real argument for withholding reciprocity. If States care anything about State's rights, they better get their act together and find a way to cooperate in the interests of interstate travel of US citizens.

It is better to stick to the proposition that unconstitutional restraint of honest citizens is just fundamentally wrong. Any law that addresses anyone other than criminals is just bogus. One should only be concerned about what the law says would constitute a crime, handily converting a perfectly good citizen, even a patriot, into a bad guy at the stroke of a pen.

[BowStreetRunner]

as much as I like the idea of nationwide CCW for everyone, or universal reciprocity, i dont think it would hold against the many legal challenges that would be doubtless brought against it by the blissninnies
In the 1990's, the SCOTUS's Lopez case restricted Congress' commerce power in the name of the 10th Amendment......a federal law mandating gun free school zones was struck down because it was involved in an area of traditional state jurisdiction
at present, congress can regulate under the commerce clause if the activity deals with the ways and means of transport, goods, conveyances, and has a real relationship to interstate commerce AND DOES NOT INFRINGE A TRADITIONAL AREA OF STATE REGULATION


and remember, what the federal government giveth, the federal government can taketh away......

BSR

[CZ 75 BD]

sending a fiver. This is a great goal to strive for.

Did you see Alabamastan as one of 10 LTC states before 1987?

[Highland Ranger]

I didn't want to start an NRA bashing thread, I do support them both financially and otherwise.

At the same time I guess my point is that some of their fund raising tactics, like this, and that send you a book or video and hound you for a donation thing should be beneath them.

And rubbing it in the nose of NJerseans who don't have the right to carry is adding insult to injury.

[AnklePocket]

I'm staying a member just in case they ever become more effective and I'm sending in the minimum $22 so that I can feel kinda OK about maybe doing a small part. I'd give a lot more if they got a remotely competent NRA rep in South Jersey. An actual bump on a log would be more effective. Several New Jersians on this forum have done a lot more. Just be'in honest; that's all.

[Hawkmoon]

Lonnie Wilson beat me to it. The full faith and credit clause should do it.

After all, that's what allows you to drive your car in Montana with an Oregon driver's license and registration. And driving a car isn't a Constitutionally-protected right.

But the Feds seem to apply the full faith and credit provision only when it suits them. On the face of it, it should apply to concealed carry permits. It should also allow doctors, lawyers, engineers and architects licensed by any state to practice in all states -- but it doesn't. (Or, if it does, it hasn't yet been tested in court.)

[Joey2]

I use to be a member of the NRA until their support of the 1968 gun laws. I let my membership lapse early "69 and refuse to have anything to do with those compromising SOB's.

I joined the GOA and am getting second thoughts about them now.

They all want our money but are not delivering the goods which is the "shall not be infringed" portion of the 2d Amendment.

Once the powers to be defang the 2d Amendment you can bet your bottom dollar that we will truly be living in a police state.

Both the GOA and NRA tote the success of their hard work on getting us CCW's in various states, but what they fail to tell you is that this is a compramise and are leading you to participate in gun registeration.

I read, not too long ago, that the NRA as a NGO has some affiliation to the UN. I am going to try to find it and I'll post it if I do.

[Ryder]

At the same time I guess my point is that some of their fund raising tactics, like this, and that send you a book or video and hound you for a donation thing should be beneath them.

Well heck at least you're getting something there.

Want to talk about things that should be beneath them? Three years in a row they "forgot" to send me the renewal gift (as promised). No biggie, those things are basically worthless other than as a barometer of their integrity. The problem is they greatly disrespected my wife when she called on my behalf to inquire about it. :fire:

I'll be giving up my 10 year old gun club membership in September of this year because an NRA membership has just been announced as mandatory. Unlike these organizations I have principles and associating with the likes of them is not on the list.

[Gray Peterson]

Both the GOA and NRA tote the success of their hard work on getting us CCW's in various states, but what they fail to tell you is that this is a compramise and are leading you to participate in gun registeration.

Not unless the states require you to list serial numbers and guns on your permit. I had a CHL for over a year without an actual gun from both Oregon and Washington. Idaho, Arizona, Florida, Wisconsin (if their law passed) and so on were also WEAPONS permits too.

I know New York and California has serial number listings on those permits for handguns, but I don't know of any other states that do. Several states did have them, but they were eliminated pretty quickly because it was stupid.

Honestly, if you've bought a gun from an FFL, you're registered too, especially if that store goes under and they have to send all the files to the BATF.