Pic request: Pics of you carrying pocket carry guns


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Mil Novecientos Once
May 29, 2004, 10:28 AM
On the first of June I'll be working as a waiter in my sister's in law cafe. I have to wear an uniform (kakhis and tucked shirt.) I've been looking for a pocket carry piece in several gun shops. I'm thinking of a SW 642 for pocket carry, but I have to be sure that it won't print that much. I would like to wear the piece in jeans too, so no printing is a must. Gun shops should have mirrors! :banghead: All the gun shops employes said: "sure it doesn't print," I know they just want to sell.

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Mr. Mysterious
May 29, 2004, 11:52 AM
If you want the ultimate in non-printing get a P32 or P3AT with a good holster.

I'd post a pic but you wouldn't be able to tell that I was carrying anything.

Sometimes if you want to be uber-discreet you can even carry under your wallet...

Evil_Ed
May 29, 2004, 01:41 PM
What Mr Mysterious said, get a Kel Tec. I carry a P3AT pretty much constantly and it is nigh unto invisible when in my pocket. I also have slipped it in behind my wallet so the shape is broken up even farther.

sam3
May 29, 2004, 02:10 PM
if you buy good pocket holster ,like a kramer, you won't have any problems with a 642 in your pocket.

Mil Novecientos Once
May 29, 2004, 02:13 PM
http://www.kel-tec.com/images/P-3ATRightsidesmaller.jpg

Is this the actual size of it?

priv8ter
May 29, 2004, 02:16 PM
I think it kind of depends on what size computer monitor you have. On my 17-inch at work, it looks big. Maybe to someone on 12-inch screened laptop it would look closer to real size.

greg

GigaBuist
May 29, 2004, 02:19 PM
On my 14.1" LCD screen that is EXACTLY the size of my P3AT.

jptsr1
May 29, 2004, 02:32 PM
G26 on my desk:
http://glocktalk.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=1194176
G26 in my pocket:
http://glocktalk.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=1194184

(Galco front pocket holster)

J.

Mil Novecientos Once
May 29, 2004, 02:33 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=551966

This pic offers a better size reference. I really like the features and reviews so far have been great. The only problem is that no gun shop around here keep them in stock. :banghead: They are special order items, up to 2 weeks delivery time + paper work.

Mr. Mysterious
May 29, 2004, 03:53 PM
They are special order items, up to 2 weeks delivery time + paper work

But they are worth it...they are pretty fun to shoot, and suprisingly accurate for a gun that weighs in under a pound.

azrael
May 29, 2004, 05:37 PM
I have 2 P3AT's....Depending on what kind of pocket holster you use, a p3AT shouldnt print..."buldge" yea, but not print...

What I would suggest as far as the 640 is concerned is a pocket holster with an anti-print panel attached..

My .02 peso's

K-Man
June 1, 2004, 05:46 PM
At K&D Holsters, we can make a holster for you that has a detachable anti-print panel for either the 642 or the P3AT. It's our 2n1 convertible model, and is by far our most popular style of holster. I carry my P3AT in one of our 2n1 holsters, with the panel attached, in the front pocket of my jeans. I have no problem extracting my gun, as the panel flexes away from the holster itself when I reach in and I can get a full grip on the gun. It just looks like I'm carrying a wallet in my front pocket. The anti-print panel just snaps on and off, allowing you to choose which way you want to carry. Our website is www.kdholsters.com .

telewinz
June 1, 2004, 06:17 PM
Why increase the bulk of the Kel-tec with a holster? It's as near perfection as possible why ruin it?

shep854
June 1, 2004, 06:18 PM
Another trick is to slide a suitably shaped piece of cardboard between your holster and the outer fabric of your pocket.

Telewinz; a holster will help keep dust bunnies and other trash out of the gun, as well as avoiding the possibility of snags. Last, but not least, a holster will keep the gun from wearing holes in your pockets.

azrael
June 1, 2004, 07:03 PM
What Shep said:D

Ala Dan
June 1, 2004, 11:29 PM
Here's what I would carry, up under a apron!

Harbinger
June 1, 2004, 11:56 PM
Ditto Ala Dan's Walther. My PPK/S lays nice and flat. Sorry I can't post a pic.
BTW, thanks, Ala Dan, for posting the pic sans apron. :uhoh:

Mil Novecientos Once
June 2, 2004, 12:18 AM
Now I have a new dilema: Kahr's PM9 or Kel Tec P3AT. BTW, I opted to work as a delivery man instead of waiter.

TechBrute
June 2, 2004, 12:18 AM
Why increase the bulk of the Kel-tec with a holster? Safety?

glock 21
June 2, 2004, 03:38 PM
:D
Get the Kel Tec P 3 AT, 380 7 shot, its .77 inch thick and if you check out the "Smart Carry" website you will find a holster that fits under anything, anytime , anysize gun you want to carry. For the $ and reliability, accuracy and stopping power a 380 Gold Dot hollowpoint is plenty good enough with couple center of mass hits. check out those holsters, for $49.50 they can't be beat and get a larger size for when you're going into "hostile" territory, you can saftey pin it downsized for the Kel Tec for everyday wear and still have the bigger gun option free.
most states do not allow even a CCW golder to carry one loose in the pocket, most require some type of holster plus you won't get a "Lint" failure to feed or fire in a holster.
:cool:

shep854
June 2, 2004, 07:32 PM
A pocket holster will also hold the gun in the correct position to grasp and draw. Without a holster, the gun will rotate in the pocket and end up upside down, with the muzzle pointed behind you, and the grip in the lower corner of the pocket. In this position, it is inaccessible for all practical purposes, as well as very uncomfortable. PLUS, the chance (likelihood) of an ND skyrockets, because the trigger will be the easiest part of the gun to grab, especially under stress.

Piney
June 2, 2004, 08:17 PM
I know this is the wrong place to say this, but why does a waiter in a restaurant need to carry? If you waited on my table and I saw that you were carrying I would flip out and I'm a gun lover.

Lennyjoe
June 2, 2004, 08:40 PM
Kel-Tec P3AT in an Uncle Mikes pocket holster.:D

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid119/pc39eaa90d5562b9a948cb82964b48c4a/f86d745d.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid119/pe3afafad15694c3eb3e52f2f2b4b0ef2/f86d744f.jpg

mnrivrat
June 2, 2004, 09:18 PM
Qoute: " I know this is the wrong place to say this, but why does a waiter in a restaurant need to carry? If you waited on my table and I saw that you were carrying I would flip out and I'm a gun lover."

Your right ! Wrong place ! :rolleyes:

Harbinger
June 2, 2004, 09:18 PM
Piney,
Why does anyone need to carry?
Are restaurants exempt from crime?
Is he supposed to defend himself with a tuna steak if something happens?
I think by looking for a deep concealment piece, he's trying to keep you from seeing his gun and 'flipping out'.

Mil Novecientos Once
June 2, 2004, 09:46 PM
Piney wrote:
I know this is the wrong place to say this, but why does a waiter in a restaurant need to carry? If you waited on my table and I saw that you were carrying I would flip out and I'm a gun lover.

On 2002 I helped to put a couple of bad guys in prision. They vowed revenge. One is already dead (got out of prision and died in drive by shooting), the other is still in jail. Did I mention that they vowed revenge? That's why I carry.

Several weeks ago 2 armed robbers killed the two managers of a restaurant: they were herded to the refrigerators and then killed, 5 employes survived.

I think by looking for a deep concealment piece, he's trying to keep you from seeing his gun and 'flipping out'.
;)

geojap
June 3, 2004, 08:56 AM
I think working in a restaurant is a very reasonable place to carry. They get robbed frequently.

Carlos Cabeza
June 3, 2004, 09:57 AM
I know this is the wrong place to say this, but why does a waiter in a restaurant need to carry? If you waited on my table and I saw that you were carrying I would flip out and I'm a gun lover.

I'd be askin' " What are you carrying ? Lookit my XXXXXX. :D "

TechBrute
June 3, 2004, 10:36 AM
If I was in a restaurant and saw my waiter carrying a pocket gun, I'd likely tell him he needs something manlier. :D

For whoever would "flip out," what the heck is wrong with you? Do you think that the waiter is going to rob you at his table? You need to spend less time watching whatever show it is that you watch where guns turn people evil and spend more time at the range with your inanimate object. Your attitude likens to the elitists' "as long as I can have a gun, I don't care about anyone else's rights" attitude.

Personally, if I walked into Texas Roadhouse down the street and all the waiters were carrying openly, I'd figure I was in the safest restaurant in Texas.

Piney
June 3, 2004, 11:38 AM
I think you should spend more time worrying about yourself and the people that must be lurking behind every cactus in Texas just waiting to get you. Thinking you know what my attitude is was about as far off base as you could have gotten. Your need to flame me for stating my opinion was a waste of time on your part and my part on reading it.

TechBrute
June 3, 2004, 11:45 AM
Thinking you know what my attitude is was about as far off base as you could have gotten. Well, then please feel free to explain your post.

I think you should spend more time worrying about yourself and the people that must be lurking behind every cactus in Texas just waiting to get you. LOL!

Your need to flame me for stating my opinion was a waste of time on your part and my part on reading it. And yet you took the time to respond. Exactly why would you "flip out" anyway? Are you afraid the gun is going to jump out of the waiters pocket and start shooting the place up?:D

Piney
June 3, 2004, 12:05 PM
One reason may be that there is no such thing as CCW in my state unless your a LEO or have some type of special dispensation. Now I don't agree with that in any way shape or form, but I'm bound by the laws here. I do own a gun rack full and drawers with plenty available at just about any time within my home I just can't carry them concealed. If I could I probably would on occasion.

As far as my being afraid that the waiter is going to shoot me, no I'm not because I have other means of protecting myself and my family. It seems inappropriate to me for a waiter to be carrying while serving my family. If he does after hours or in the back more power to him. When I'm in a relaxed and exposed environment I don't want someone with the opportunity to blow me away given the opportunity.

I've been around guns since my age was in single digits, both here and overseas, so I assure you I have not been running around afraid of them for the last 50+ years.

PAshooter
June 3, 2004, 12:21 PM
Hmmm...

If I noticed my waiter was carrying I might discretely whisper "you're printing" to him. After all, the operative word in "concealed carry" is "concealed."

Other than that, I'd be pleased. Here's a restaurant that doesn't deprive its employees of their constitutional rights, and one in which my family and I are doubtless safer than we would be in those establishments that only permit criminals to be armed on the premises. That is, after all, the effect of barring honest people from carrying arms.

I don't understand... why shouldn't a constitutional right (not to mention a good idea) apply everywhere?

BTW - nice Kel-Tec. Have to take a look at those now that I'm a citizen of PA and soon to be CCWer.

geojap
June 3, 2004, 12:33 PM
I think you should spend more time worrying about yourself and the people that must be lurking behind every cactus in Texas just waiting to get you.

I hear this kind of talk from lots of people that I know who are ignorant of Texas. It just exemplifies their own shortcomings. Personally, I love it because it may keep some people from moving here. Our success is attracting too many inter-state immigrants for my liking.


Piney, it seems you are not comfortable around those who carry concealed. It appears this would be an unfamiliar and new situation for you. I can tell you that the statistics on the Texas DPS website show that CHL holders are 100 to 5,000 times less likely to be charged with a crime than non-CHL holders (depending on the crime). I do not think you would put yourself and your family in greater danger having your family around a licensed individual who is carrying concealed. I don't know why they would "blow you away" without provocation. They pass an extensive background check, range qualification tests and are shown to have hundreds of times less propensity for crime. Also, if your waiter (or anyone else) was carrying conceled, you would not know it. Therefore, practically speaking your anxiety would be a non-issue.

Here is a link to our CHL page. I was quoting from the "Conviction Rates" link.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/chlsindex.htm

Piney
June 3, 2004, 01:05 PM
No, I have spent quite a bit of time in Texas. I used to work for a company in Cameron and my home away from home was in Temple and spent a lot of time in Central and South Texas. I loved it. Loved the people and loved the laid back way of life for short periods of time. I understand it's a different way of life and that that way of life fits the area and it's heritage. What may work there does not always work in other areas. Here we have millions of people (the most densly populated per square mile of any state) and people get a little crazy when they're all squished in a state the size of one of your counties.

TechBrute
June 3, 2004, 01:51 PM
Well, you're welcome here any time, just be sure to bring enough guns, beer, or hats to go around. :D

geojap
June 3, 2004, 04:33 PM
I understand your point, Piney. I have a friend who lives in Manhattan, in NYC. I get into gun control discussions with him and he will reply, "Oh yeah, that's all we need in NYC is more guns." In many ways, I think he's right. Some places really might not need unchecked gun proliferation. So I understand your point.

mnrivrat
June 3, 2004, 06:07 PM
OK - So the thread has turned into right to carry comments - I guess I will have to throw in my 2 cents worth.

Quote: " Some places really might not need unchecked gun proliferation "

I strongly dis-agree with that type of statement as it implies that someone has the right to make decisions to ban 2nd amendment rights based on location . The most strict gun control laws already exist in locations that have high crime rates !
Unless someone can show me why Manhatten (and places like it) would benifit from even more gun control restrictions , I see no reason to impose them.
I also see no reason why anyone who believes in 2nd amendment rights would suggest that they should not apply to all .

:confused:

Barbara
June 3, 2004, 08:15 PM
Michigan has people lurking behind cactus, too!

Seriously, to get a CPL, I had to go through a criminal background check, be fingerprinted, the results of which were sent to the state police and FBI, I had to submit references and back when I got mine, could not have even been convicted of walking my dog without a leash for the past several years. If my server does that, I'm not going to worry that s/he is going to snap and go wonky. I'm just going to be glad to know that should there be a problem, we won't be left defenseless. Odds are the gun will never be used, but needing it and not having it sucks.

JohnKSa
June 3, 2004, 09:19 PM
Piney,

If there is ONE event that began to change Texan's minds about Concealed Carry, it was the massacre at the Luby's restaurant in Killeen, TX.

A man drove through the front window, exited his truck and began calmly walking through the restaurant executing diners. He stopped to reload at least once during the process.

One of the Texas legislators who was a driving force behind the Concealed Carry law finally being passed was present at the restaurant. Both of her parents were killed in the bloodbath. Her loaded pistol was locked in the trunk of her car in accordance with the laws of that time.

I carry anytime it's legal--that includes when I'm eating out.

I've never seen anything that says that restaurants are off limits to violent criminals--apparently the criminals haven't either.

Good shooting,

John

geegee
June 4, 2004, 12:07 AM
One of the Texas legislators who was a driving force behind the Concealed Carry law finally being passed was present at the restaurant. Both of her parents were killed in the bloodbath. Her loaded pistol was locked in the trunk of her car in accordance with the laws of that time.
Dr. Suzanne Gratia Hupp
http://www.hkweaponsystems.com/cgi-bin/quote.pl?suzanne_gratia
I carry anytime it's legal--that includes when I'm eating out.
Especially when I'm eating out.

MJRW
June 4, 2004, 01:41 AM
Well, Piney, as long as you are consistent, I'm fine. I hope this means that when you have guest over, your guns are out of your house. I also hope this means that if it bothers you so much, instead of flipping out, you try a more reasonable response of choosing to dine elsewhere rather than let your discomfort get in the way of a waiter making sure he can defend himself. You are consistent, right?

Piney
June 4, 2004, 07:32 AM
LOL, no by your criteria I would not be considered consistent.
I do remember when the guy drove through the window at that restaurant and slaughtered the people. I also remember how much I had wished that someone had had a gun to end him.
Ok, I’m coming along to your sides and see where it can make sense. I guess it just irks me that there is no way to get a license to carry in this state and in neighboring states it’s no problem. Your point of the extensive background checks is also well taken. I was fingerprinted and had a background check just to buy a shotgun. Though I have several long guns and several pistols I’ve owned them since long before you had to be registered. I’ve had my permit for 25 years and when I went up to get a pistol permit for a new purchase to buy, the police department told me it would be 6 months and I would have to go through the same process all over again. Not to carry, just to buy. This is with my living in this town and being a business owner for the entire time with not so much as a traffic ticket. To make matters worse my nephew is a sergeant on this police department. YES, we need reform and the laws should be consistent from state to state. If its legal for you all it should be legal for me as well.

geojap
June 4, 2004, 08:31 AM
Well said, Piney. It's rediculous that in Nevada I can shoot my FAL in the desert, but if I step one foot over the state line into California (which is unmarked and indistinguishable in many areas) then I'm automatically a felon.


Also, earlier, I probably didn't make myself clear when I was talking about my friend in Manhattan who I have guncontrol conversations with. In a place like that, I would say that I would support some sort of reasonable regulation on concealed carry, much like we have in Texas. That place is just too crazy to have unregulated carry, I think.

The Goose
June 4, 2004, 02:42 PM
What Harbinger said.

USGuns
June 4, 2004, 03:18 PM
FYI - Oleg has some nice P32 pics here:
http://www.a-human-right.com/p32/size.html

AK103K
June 4, 2004, 07:38 PM
Here's a pic of my pocket gun.:D

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid120/p3f6e49857733cca16388203db17e24d5/f866f158.jpg

Mil Novecientos Once
June 4, 2004, 08:50 PM
You're nuts:what: :D :evil:

Harbinger
June 4, 2004, 09:28 PM
...must be squished. :uhoh:
Good heavens man, how do you keep from printing?
How do you sit?

JohnKSa
June 4, 2004, 09:46 PM
Harbinger,

:D :D :D :D :D

Best laugh I've had in awhile.

I sympathize with him. Sometimes I carry in a bellyband worn entirely below the belt in front. "Placement" of all equipment is critical to ensure that no pinching or squishing takes place. Of course, I'm carrying a PPK, not an MP-5.

huaco
June 4, 2004, 11:22 PM
You seem to be getting a lot of reponses but not much of what you asked for. Here's a shot of me carrying:

http://phyxit.com/stuff/P6020004.jpg

and one of the Beretta Tomcat I'm carrying in my right front pocket in a < twenty dollar pocket holster from Robert Mika:

http://phyxit.com/stuff/P6040001.jpg

Mil Novecientos Once
June 5, 2004, 07:07 AM
What caliber is the Tomcat?

azrael
June 5, 2004, 12:18 PM
Tomcat=.32acp IIRC

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