Formal training and a lot of practice.......That's backed up by a Colt R6920 LE Carbine and a Glock 36. But without either of the backup pieces, I'm not unarmed....You can rarely solve a training and mindset problem with equipment.
May 29, 2004, 02:37 PM
I couldn't quite answer the poll, as, my primary is a handgun, that I would use to fight my way to my safe where there is a loaded 20ga autoloader, and then a loaded magazine for my saiga. With a youngin running around, my wife won't let me leave loaded long-guns out. I can't say I blame her.
May 29, 2004, 03:02 PM
I have my clay gun that I use also, Remington Wingmaster.
May 29, 2004, 03:16 PM
I actually use handgun backed up by shotgun
Cold Python with 130 gr Federal Hydra-Shocks on nightstand.
Remington 870TC under edge of bed with full magazine and empty chamber.
May 29, 2004, 03:46 PM
I live in a fairly populated area with thin walls and my 'dwelling' is small, so CQB is the order of the day. I reside in the hotel I guard each night and pack my .45 auto everywhere.
So I have mainly handguns....my primary duty gun, a Colt CCO, at bedside or on my person. An Officer's model and a Government model is stashed in various locations as are loaded mags.
My girlfriend has her 10/22 loaded with two ten round mags of Stingers by her side of the bed and her Kahr PM9.
It is not the best of worlds, but it'll do...often over the decades one sort of .45 auto has been my primary defense gun whether in the mountains, cities, deserts, humid south or freezing my tush off in the northern climes. I have hunted with it, canoed, rockclimbed, hiked, camped, competed, attended alot of training, and done inner city social work/disaster responses with a .45 auto on my side...and have been quite comfy with it. Do not forsee that changing anytime soon.
May 29, 2004, 03:52 PM
Mossy 835 with 3in mag #4 Buck and a single action .22mag revolver
May 29, 2004, 03:59 PM
Smith and Wesson Model 66.
May 29, 2004, 04:19 PM
#1 - 870P
#2 - Springfield Professional
May 29, 2004, 04:29 PM
I keep my carry gun on the nightstand, a Kimber Compact CDP 1. The plan is for the wife and I to go through the master bath into the room with the safe, and she'll be calling 911 while I switch to a AR with a 30 round mag. Don't have a shotgun yet, have to get one though!
May 29, 2004, 04:41 PM
S&W 625 --- those moon clips make it easy to load & unload quickly, plus it's a heck of a shooter.
Maybe I'll move up to my SAR in the future, but a shotgun is probably my next step up -- my only shottie now is my grandfather's old single barrel that "auto-ejects" with each shot and is a future wall-hanger.
May 29, 2004, 04:45 PM
My WWII Russian infantry.(3 lg dogs);)
Backed up by,depending on which room I'm in,either a 12 gauge pump or a 357 revolver.Also,in no particular order,a phone,flashlight,loud voice,& the back door.
May 29, 2004, 04:50 PM
How about artillery for HD? Do you consider HD just the house or the acreage too? :p http://photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?sAccountUnq=17091&iGalleryUnq=1319&iImageUnq=25704
May 29, 2004, 05:07 PM
Primary: 12 gauge 870, loaded with 3 00 buck 2 slugs. Bandolier with 20 of each within arms reach.
Secondary(as in: if the above didn't do it, I might as well take one with me) is my 357 SP101 loaded with 158 gold dots doing 1250fps.
May 29, 2004, 05:11 PM
Scatter gun, back by several handguns!
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
May 29, 2004, 05:14 PM
How about a Browning 1919 30cal with a crank fire for HD ? http://photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?sAccountUnq=17091&iGalleryUnq=1312&iImageUnq=25705 http://photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?sAccountUnq=17091&iGalleryUnq=1312&iImageUnq=25706
May 29, 2004, 05:24 PM
My primary go to gun is my sig229.40 loaded with win. silvertips and two spare mags with silvertips. back-up to that is my S&W m457 .45acp compact loaded with win. JHP and 3 spare mags with same.
:cool: :cool: :cool:
May 29, 2004, 07:08 PM
Mossberg 500, loaded up with a round of birdshot, then 00 Buck backed up by Kimber Ultra CDP II loaded with speer gold dots and 4 extra mags.
Also have an AR handy, but I only have 1 mag for it so far, need about 2 or 3 dozen more :D
May 29, 2004, 07:42 PM
Remington 870 20" with riflesights, and magazine-extention so it takes 7 shells. A bandoleer with 55 shells going downward in size from 00 Buck to simple trap/skeet-shells.
Last time I cleared the house with it after coming home to an invaded home was yesterday. :uhoh:
May 29, 2004, 07:52 PM
MAK-90 Sporter with a red dot backed up by a G17 with gold dots.
May 29, 2004, 08:33 PM
Me, the weapons are just tools.
May 29, 2004, 09:10 PM
Legacy Escort Aimguard 12ga. 7rds of birdshot* w/ 3 00buck and 2 slugs in buttcuff.
I have a handgun, but I dont keep loaded mags for it. 10mm defensive ammo is damned expensive anyway. If you wanted to consider the AK a backup, I keep loaded mags (alternating fmj and SP) for it in ammo cans. ;)
*Longest shot is 12yds, if I stood in the kitchen sink.
May 29, 2004, 10:14 PM
Primary weapon is my brain. Handy thing, that.
Secondary weapons include a .223 carbine, 9mm pistol, and cellphone. Also handy.
May 29, 2004, 10:51 PM
Para Ordnance P12 in 45 ACP for me.
SIG P226 9mm for the wife.
If the threat requires more than 22 combined rounds of 9mm and 45, I have bigger problems than having run out of ammo! :cool:
May 29, 2004, 11:37 PM
Springfield 1911. I don't have access to any of my long guns where I'm staying right now.
May 30, 2004, 01:23 AM
Couldn't answer in the poll. Shotgun, backed by rifle. 870 and choice of Kel-Tec 9mm or Mosin Nagant, depending on range.;)
May 30, 2004, 01:53 AM
SKS followed by either a Mauser or a CETME. Not the greatest setup, I know but I haven't gotten around to getting a shotgun.(Can't have a pistol, OH NO, not old enough for one of them DANGEROUS things. Them three rifles hanging over my bed are just fine but I could KILL SOMEONE with a handgun. :rolleyes: ) Neighbors are behind a wooded hill, at least, nothing to worry about there.
May 30, 2004, 01:59 AM
May 30, 2004, 09:15 AM
I voted for shotgun backed up by handgun, but its really the other way around. I always have the handgun on me or next to the bed, and the shotgun is in the closet. So for surprise stuff its use the handgun to fight to the shotgun. For investigating things, its a handgun in the waistband, and grab the cruiser ready 870 from the closet and check things out. the 870 has 5 8pellet 00 buckshot in the tube, with 6 more in the saddle, and 6 rr slugs on the stock. This is my grab and go gun for both hd and social situations in the neighborhood. I also keep my ar ready to go in the safe, with a vest loaded with mags hanging next to it.
May 30, 2004, 11:43 AM
Handgun backed up by rifle.
For "normal" self defense against run of the mill criminals, the handgun's plenty enough. For SHTF defense against zombies, riots, mass invasion, brown shirts, Al-Q, etc, the rifle(s) get shuffled into the deck.
May 30, 2004, 01:41 PM
Rottweiler backed by a shotgun.
The only loaded gun in my house is a shotgun (normally). If I can't solve the problem with that, more guns aren't going to help.
I do have loaded magazines lying around left over from shooting sessions and either carbines or handguns could be brought into play in short order, but this isn't something I specifically planned.
May 30, 2004, 02:05 PM
S&W 24-3 44spl loaded with 200gr gold dots.It could get retired in favor of my 625-6 45acp mountain gun,there's many more defensive loads to pick from in 45acp compared to 44spl.
May 30, 2004, 02:20 PM
I'm with Hemicuda - 870 MM and then a Glock 30.
May 30, 2004, 02:28 PM
870P backed by S&W 38 model 12.
May 30, 2004, 03:35 PM
Handgun backed up by rifle.
Usually a USP .45 Compact backed up by an AR-15 if necessary.
May 30, 2004, 04:14 PM
Rottweiler backed by a shotgun.
444, I like how you think! :D Mine is a German Shepherd backed by a S&W686+ with seven rounds of .357 Hydra-shok and another speed loader on the nightstand!
May 30, 2004, 06:10 PM
If they were good enough for the Roman Leigions, they are good enough for me.
May 30, 2004, 06:59 PM
Ruger P89 loaded with 15 rounds of Federal Hydra-Shoks :evil:
May 31, 2004, 05:41 AM
Handgun only. Don't have any long guns... yet!:D
May 31, 2004, 09:27 AM
a Glock 22 with Black Talons, a laser and streamlight scorpion, backed by a Mossburg 500, 12 gage with scorpion light, double pistil grips and a 18.100 long bore barrel and just enough overtallength to mneet the 26" requirement. Loaded with 3 #1 Buck's & 3 slugs. If they get past all that, my better half's got a 38+p, 20 ga rem 100 and 2 attack cats that have untrimmed claws.:neener: :what:
May 31, 2004, 12:30 PM
SAR-1 backed up by a Glock 21, which in turn is also backed up with an 870 if the situation demands it.
There really should be a rifle, pistol, and shotgun option.:D
May 31, 2004, 12:36 PM
A rifle backed up by a shotgun?
May 31, 2004, 03:41 PM
Nothing right now, seeing that my sheeple parents keep the guns locked up. Eventually, I hope to have a handgun (USP .40) backed by both shotgun (undecided, some pump or semi) and a rifle (Kel-tec SU16 if I stay in Kali, an AR if I move)
May 31, 2004, 03:45 PM
Shotgun and a handgun.
May 31, 2004, 03:48 PM
Mr. White stole my answer....blatant plagarism...except he was first
I have a Glock 19 w/M3 light ....and a knife....
In my home in the dark....the knife might be my first choice
For those of you with shotguns.....your load probably doesn't matter
At most household ranges the wad will likely go right through the bad guy:D
You guys with rifles....I hope you aren't any of my neighbors...or I am gonna start sleeping in the basement!
May 31, 2004, 04:16 PM
The reason I like the idea of a HD rifle is that with popular battle rifles, 30 round mags are quite common, sometimes even mags with a higher cap. are available. Rifles definitely wouldn't be my first choice for a "bump in the night", but I'd like to have a loaded one on hand in case
A) There is a large gang of criminals in my living room (high mag cap would be quite useful)
B) The people in my living room are carrying out a professional home invasion and are wearing body armor (.223 or 7.62x39 or similar would be a huge advantage)
C) The SHTF and Blue-helmeted paratroopers are falling from the sky. (Both mag cap and penetration would be helpful)
May 31, 2004, 04:39 PM
I'm looking to pick up an XD in .40, that will be my primary when I pick it up.
My backup will be a SAR-1. I dunno, I just think most bad guys will looking down the barrel of a SAR-1 and noticing a 40 rd clip might think whatever weapon they possess is not up to the task. Think of it as a psychological deterrent moreso than a practical HD weapon.
If I thought I was going to actually have to shoot someone, I'd prefer the XD in .40 with some plain sounding ammunition.
I'd honestly prefer to scare someone off rather than have to use violence.
Handgun primary. SAR1 for backup if it looks really serious (and I have time to get to it.)
June 1, 2004, 11:55 AM
S&W M&P .38 backed up by an ex-police Remington 870.
June 1, 2004, 02:15 PM
Living in a somewhat remote area I chose rifle/ handgun a Bushie .223 with some light HP ammo and a Colt 1911 with 230 grain HP ammo. I also have a readily available 870 if that just happens to be the HD weapon I grab.
June 1, 2004, 03:03 PM
I'm in the burbs. The dog is the alarm system. I would investigate any disturbance with a pistol and my lovely wife has the shotgun if it totally hits the fan.
I have to share a story. Awhile back we lived in an apartment complex. We'd just picked up our dog from the pound. He didn't know where home was or who was who yet. As luck would have it the very first night we had him somebody got into our apartment.
It was about 4:00 AM and I heard a noise by the door. The dog was sawing logs on my daughter's bed. I was alert and getting up when we heard the front door open I grabbed my .38 as the heavy footsteps came down the hall towards the bedrooms. Before I could get out of bed our door swung open and a guy reached in and turned on the light. My wife and I were bolt upright in bed and my gun was pointed right at him. He slurred "who are you guys?" I said "who the hell are you?"
He looked totally perplexed until he realised there was a gun pointing at him then he wheeled around and ran out of the apartment. I stumbled out of bed and gave chase in my boxers but this guy was really moving. I followed him out to the street and he just kept going. I came back in and could hear my wife talking to the police on the phone. I checked my daughter's room the dog looked up when the door opened and thumped his tail a couple times and went back to sleep.
When the cops came they explained that in a large complex this type of situation happens allot because there are maybe twenty unique keys and the rest are duplicates. This poor guy partied too hard got, lost in the complex and opened the wrong door. I'm just glad he came into our room as I probably would have shot him instantly if he had made it into our daughters room.
June 1, 2004, 03:46 PM
I'm another whose HD situation isn't easily answered in the poll.
My primarly HD gun (in that it is my always) is my Taurus 85. It is pretty much always loaded and it is sometimes on my person when around the house. Additionally, my .38spl Colt Police Positive Special is pretty much always loaded and ready to go, though it is pretty much never carried around the house anymore.
Other than that things vary. Sometimes it is only the handguns. Sometimes (only handguns or not) I add my 1911 or CZ 75B to the mix and have them loaded up or I use one of my other revolvers instead of or in addition to the Taurus and Colt. Often my Winchester 94AE in .45LC is loaded and ready to go. Often it is my Benelli Nova 18.5" 12ga that is backing up my handguns. Rarely it is my AR or SKS and even more rarely it was my Ruger 10/22 before I sold it.
But anyway, for me the most accurate way to put it is that the handgun is the always/primary often backed up by (not backing up) one of the long guns.
When I eventually get a .44spl or .45LC wheelgun it will probably replace the Colt for HD purposes. More power than the .38spl with less noise and recoil than a magnum, and for HD size isn't that big a deal (the big bores usually come in larger frame sizes).
I answered this as if the question was primary HD gun (paid more attention to the poll than the name of the thread). My first go to weapon if someone breaks in (at night when it is more likely anyway) is a fixed blade knife. It is sheathed and spends the night pretty much in my bed (more or less) so if someone wakes me in the middle of the night most likely it gets grabbed first (unless I have time to get to my guns which are very near but not nearly as close). During the day and evening there is always a knife in my pocket but I'm not always carrying a gun around so if someone breaks in while I'm awake I will be getting to one of my folders much faster than I can get to my guns so the knife is in my hand first (though when I carry around the house this isn't necessarily the case).
June 1, 2004, 05:08 PM
To all you guys who answered with "my first HD weapon is a knife" , I must say you have big brass ones, and I offer this maxim: Never bring a knife to a gun fight.;)
June 1, 2004, 05:26 PM
Handgun .... to get to my rifle.
June 2, 2004, 05:35 PM
While I do have big brass ones, ;) please consider
The reason we do the Tueller drill is to prove to unbelievers that knife beats gun inside 20ft....YMMV
How big are the rooms in your house????
Well executed stab wounds are more likely to be fatal than most...but not all...gunshot wounds...lots of trauma
And we are not talking about standing 20ft away and then yelling GO!
We are talking about being up close and personal...probably in the dark
And with a knife...you don't have to worry about putting a round through the kids bedroom!
Now...if you have enough warning to get all your loved ones in a safe room....then...the gun wins....
You guys with the main battle rifles are gonna need to know sign language when you have to communicate with the police after the shooting is over:D
June 2, 2004, 06:16 PM
You guys with the main battle rifles are gonna need to know sign language when you have to communicate with the police after the shooting is over
I'm feeling slow today, could you please explain ? Mebbe loss of hearing perhaps ?
June 2, 2004, 07:32 PM
There is one one way to get to the sleeping areas, and it is a perfect ambush/killing field for me. A BG would need to use a frag to dislodge me, he would be able to advance with a flash bang, but that would put him in front of any of six doors I could be behind, two of which would be behind him. I just can't see utilizing a knife in such a setting. It would place me at a huge disadvantage. I view a knife primarily as an offensive weapon (quiet sentry removal) or a defensive weapon of last resort, or something to grab just to be armed until I could get to my HD shotgun, rifle or pistol. But, if it works for you, great!:cool:
Something to consider, though:
While it is true knife wounds are generally more fatal, they are rarely immediately incapacitating, even a femoral artery wound won' t cause incapacitating shock immediately, it can be from 5 seconds up to a minute, on a drugged up, drunk, adernaline crazed stabee. One can fire a lot of rounds off in that time, and while it would be a Pyrric victory, the stabber could possibly be just as dead. I've done Tueller drills helping my Dad train, (he was a cop), and while I studied knife fighting techniques, and weapon retention/disarming techniques also, whichever of us had the gun, (pistol or shotgun) would always get a COM shot off. Since the guns just had snap caps in, we could only get one shot off in training. In a real situation, I'd keep firing until I and or he went down. Yes, the knife weilder always got one slash in, and usually a fatal one at that but they were shot about 75% of the time within 2 seconds after the slash, 100% within 5 seconds.
The one time I faced down a knife wielding drunk who was insinuating the friend I was with should die because enemy soldiers of the same ethnic group killed his father in Vietnam, he was 15 feet from me when I drew my 6" .357 from the shoulder holster. Fortunately for both of us, he decided to drop the knife. He was drunk enough that he could not have got a slash in before I dropped him with 125 gr. JHP's. I did not want to shoot him, I went to school with him. About two weeks later, I saw him and after apologizing profusely, he asked if I would have really shot him.
I cryptically replied, "What do you think?" :rolleyes:
June 2, 2004, 08:17 PM
Taurus .38spl with Federal Hydrashoks backed up by a Remington 870 with #4 buckshot
June 2, 2004, 08:27 PM
The reason we do the Tueller drill is to prove to unbelievers that knife beats gun inside 20ft....YMMV
I believe the Teuller drill demonstrates that knife beats holstered gun inside 20 feet. With the gun out and the knife weilder at 20 feet or less, I believe the advantage goes to the guy with the gun, though as the range decreases we get much closer to what can only be described as a draw.
In my case the firearm(s) I have available for home defense is a handgun to deal with immediate threats with both a shotgun and rifle available close by for use as I deem necessary. All have weapon-mounted lights and an additional Surefire 6P is next to the pistol.
June 2, 2004, 08:40 PM
Mossberg 500 with an 18 inch barrel loaded with single 0 buck and a S&W 25-5 loaded with 225 grain semi wadcutters(45 Colt)
June 4, 2004, 01:04 PM
Allow me to elucidate (splain)
1. CC Yes I was referring to hearing loss touching of an MBR indoors:D
2. Gunshot wounds are often NOT immediately Incapacitating either
3. Knife beats holstered gun when both people know the drill is going to
occur.....in the dark...in my house....I am not going to say ready, set ,go!
And I did state YMMV
( Actually, in my house...in the dark....a baseball bat may beat a gun)
June 4, 2004, 01:36 PM
Ruger P90 .45 on the headboard, 870 near at hand. The SKS has loaded stripper clips beside it, and the Rem PSS .308 has ammo near it as well. These probably won't be the preferred weapons, but you never know. Oh, and the Rem Nylon 77 .22 is loaded with Calibri's (sp?). That's the only one that has been used yet....
June 4, 2004, 02:36 PM
I voted for "Shotgun backed by Pistol." In reality, it's Pistol backed by Shotgun.
If something goes down, I'm taking the pistol to round up the kid(s). My kid is not quite 2 yet, so she's not the most agile thing around. Basically, I don't want to be trying to work a shotgun with one hand while I have the kid in the other. Once I get the kids and wife rounded up, the shotty comes out and we go to work...
June 4, 2004, 02:56 PM
"Gunshot wounds are often NOT immediately Incapacitating either"
Understood. Never said they were. They do tend to change your day's plans, as do knife wounds!
" Knife beats holstered gun when ...."
When's the last time you investigated a 'bump in the night' with your gun holstered? ;) Mine's at low ready when I do.
Mossberg 590 with surefire forend and buckshot
G-22 as my backup
June 26, 2004, 12:37 PM
I voted Shotgun backed up by handgun, but there's not really a choice for me either, now that I think about it. My handgun is primary, I gan get to it without rolling out of bed. Then its on the the shotty in the corner (if I have time), which becomes my primary, backed up by my handgun.
June 26, 2004, 01:11 PM
My side of the bed - Witness 40 with HydraShoks
Her side of the bed - CZ 2075 RAMI with Winchester 115 gr JHP
Backup, second Witness 40, Winchester 1200 with sidesaddle, loaded with reduced recoil 00 Buck, and last ditch, Mosin M38 - muzzle blast ALONE will drive them out! Thinking an M44 might be better - bayonet might come in usefull.........:p
June 26, 2004, 04:17 PM
Glock 27 with federal 180grain hydra shok jacketed hollow points and a laser pointer :)
June 26, 2004, 05:17 PM
Handgun loaded with glaser blue's,then i would have to go with the rifle.
June 27, 2004, 08:51 PM
Right now its my CCW followed by a Shotgun.
In the future it will be a rifle, either a DSA Aug or my eventual SBR AR15. My wife and I sleep in the basement of the townhouse and the kids sleep on the top floor.
June 27, 2004, 10:27 PM
1911 backed by Glock 19 backed by shotgun w/ 000 buck :D
Duke of Lawnchair
June 28, 2004, 12:45 PM
My primary HD weapons are:
1) my brain
5) cell phone
June 28, 2004, 01:00 PM
Duke of Lawnchair
June 28, 2004, 01:22 PM
And a purty one at it!
June 28, 2004, 10:33 PM
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