Dial or Shoot? (picture)


Oleg Volk
May 29, 2004, 06:47 PM
http://www.olegvolk.net/gallery/arms/call911 You can see the answer to the question reflected in the thug's sunshades.

Thanks to twoblink, Tase and Alexis for making this picture possible.

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May 29, 2004, 06:52 PM
Shoot! 2 near that third button and one just above the bridge of the shades.


May 29, 2004, 07:14 PM
OK, that settles it. I REALLY want to be a bad guy on one of Oleg's posters. :D


May 29, 2004, 07:17 PM
Me too. :D

May 29, 2004, 08:53 PM
That guy looks like a psychotic squeegee wielding Mr Clean. :D

Dave Markowitz
May 29, 2004, 09:04 PM

That's one of your best yet.

May 29, 2004, 09:39 PM
Great, as always.

I think a big knife in his hands might be perceived by some to be a more life-threatening situation, though.

I'm sure there are some Sheeple out there stupid enough to say, "You can't shoot him, he's only got a hammer!" :rolleyes:

Oleg Volk
May 29, 2004, 09:42 PM
We had a switchblade and a screwdriver props, too -- screwdriver looked right but the poses were off. Switchblade looked puny. Real weapons can be very small and still lethal.

May 29, 2004, 10:04 PM
Oleg .... reckon you got that one spot on ..... it's good!:)

May 29, 2004, 10:13 PM
Very cool.:cool:

I see twoblink had some influence in the props :D

For some reason the guy doesn't look too threatening, I guess it's because he looks like my cousin.

Oleg Volk
May 29, 2004, 10:33 PM

Dave R
May 29, 2004, 11:49 PM
Nice work on the reflection! I didn't notice it until you posted the close-up.

May 30, 2004, 12:03 AM
I thought it was a question. So your just supposed to complement the picture is that it? Must be some sort of insider thing?


May 30, 2004, 12:09 AM
Nice work, Mr. Volk! I would have to shoot.

Oleg Volk
May 30, 2004, 12:38 AM
Actually, I was fishing for improvement suggestions. For now, I see that it would make sense to restore the shadow under the phone for uniformity.

May 30, 2004, 01:04 AM
me likey the use of a Steyr!


May 30, 2004, 01:36 AM

Which would you rather have in your hand??

And you should try one with a machete. Several madmen with machetes lately.

May 30, 2004, 01:37 AM
Actually, I was fishing for improvement suggestions.

Well know that you ask, the text looks kinda stuck on there. Play around with different fonts and placement, like maybe have it run behind the hammer for added depth.

May 30, 2004, 02:00 AM
jptsr1- You would be a whole lot better off aiming for the second button down on that particular aggressor. That would be much nearer the boileroom than three buttons down.

May 30, 2004, 03:27 PM
That reflection is an AWESOME touch!!

Great pic, Oleg. It's perfect.


May 30, 2004, 04:14 PM

And I must commend your choice in sidearms too :D

May 30, 2004, 04:19 PM
Excellent, as usual! I also agree that the reflection is a very cool touch! :D

PS: I prefer the "shoot" option.....

Mr. Mysterious
May 30, 2004, 04:37 PM
Why shoot the guy just wants to help you pull that nail!

J/K, pretty good poster and an excellent choice of a sidearm ;)

Pappy John
May 30, 2004, 04:43 PM
Very cool, but I'd put the reflection in both lenses.

Oleg Volk
May 30, 2004, 04:48 PM
It's a single convex lens, so the reflection is realistic.

The Reaper
May 30, 2004, 05:46 PM
Just a thought although probably trite and over done.

Dark background with a spotlight effect on the gun and phone. Or darken the background around the alleged nail pulling gentleman in someway.

A little more contrast on the left side of the BG at any rate. He appears washed out on that side to me in the full sized pic. A darker background might help that as well. :confused:

If it was the effect you were going for, then it works.

Maybe go vertical with the text:

Dial 911

Just some random thoughts on what I saw.

As for the shoot or dial, I'm shooting. I know what I can do with a claw hammer and I would definitely consider it a deadly weapon.

May 30, 2004, 07:37 PM
one little thing I thought of is that if you go for option one (shoot) then you'll still have to call 911 for a clean up crew :p

So maybe "what do you go for first?" or "911 or 9MM?"

Blue Jays
May 30, 2004, 11:19 PM
Good Evening All-

Oleg, great photo. It reminds me of an attack that a friend of mine and her fiance suffered in 1998. The attackers were smashing through their door with a hammer claw because they were looking for valuable electric guitars. The criminals didn't realize that the accomplished musician lived next door to my friends. Both Robin and Joseph were very anti-gun before this frightening event. After this happened in their upscale building, they turned to me for advice on a revolver.

Your photo brings back memories of what they could have faced if the attacker fully breached their door...

In terms of constructive criticism, perhaps you could substitute a red telephone cord in place of the white one? It would match the telephony hardware environments of most residences...

Just my humble $0.02.

~ Blue Jays ~

May 30, 2004, 11:38 PM
I work with roofers and all of them can do significant damage with a claw hammer.

BTW... If you want some really scary looking people, let me know. One of my foremen is a dead ringer for Charles Manson.

May 30, 2004, 11:50 PM
Dark background with a spotlight effect on the gun and phone. Or darken the background around the alleged nail pulling gentleman in somewayI agree. They way it is currently just doesn't feel like it's presenting that threatening of a situation, to me anyways. The dark background would definitely give it the sinisterness :) it needs.

Mr. Mysterious
May 30, 2004, 11:54 PM
Hammers can do lots of damage...


Documents indicate rage may have led to murders

By Laura Pelner
Campus Editor
Anger from being cut off by a car while riding his bike may have resulted in the murder of two Koreans on Aug. 2.

According to an affidavit filed Monday in Tippecanoe County Superior Court, Zhan Yin, 27, a graduate student in biology, told police on Aug. 8 that he killed the Woo sisters after almost being struck by a car. Hyo Kyung Woo, 29, of Chicago, was driving the vehicle.

Yin told officers he was riding his bike on Arnold Drive when a car "nearly hit him," the affidavit said.

Apparently Yin was angry and he followed the driver to an apartment in the Purdue Village. Hyo Kyung was visiting her sister, Yeunkyung Woo, 31, a Purdue graduate student in biology, at the time.

The affidavit says Yin followed the car to an apartment and then removed a hammer from a backpack he had with him on his way up to the apartment, 151 Arnold Drive, Apt. 9.

Yin told officers the female he followed shut the door to the apartment but he "found the door unlocked and he entered the apartment behind her."

According to the affidavit, Yin said he struck Hyo Kyung in the head from behind with the hammer and continued to strike her. He also stated he took a knife from the kitchen and stabbed her throat.

Yin then said he moved the body into the bedroom, covered it and began cleaning the apartment, according to court documents.

While Yin was cleaning up from the first murder, Yeunkyung entered the apartment.

According to the affidavit, Yin said that when Yeunkyung turned toward him he recognized her as a fellow biology student and he then began striking her in the head with the hammer.

When she asked him why he was doing this Yin said he had no choice, said the affidavit.

After beating Yeunkyung with the hammer Yin said that he stabbed her in the throat and then covered up her body, he told police.

Yin then apparently turned the burners on the stove on in an attempt to conceal the odor. According to the affidavit, Purdue Police Chief Linda Stump told Yin she believed he was trying to blow up the building and Yin didn't respond, but just looked away.

Two other officers, detectives Steve Dietrich and Carrie Costello, noted that when Yin was asked if he was trying to start a fire he "nodded his head affirmatively," said the affidavit.

Furthermore, according to the affidavit, Yin also admitted to police that before he left the apartment he took Yeunkyung's wallet from her backpack and took a set of keys from Hyo Kyung because "he liked the Acura symbol on the key chain."

According to the affidavit Yin said he considered taking Hyo Kyung's car but decided against it.

When he left the Purdue Village apartment he returned home on his bike, got his car, drove to the Lafayette Target store and got new clothes and also went to Wal-Mart to get a new hammer.

Yin said he drove to the Wabash River, threw his bloody clothes and hammer into it and then went to a fast food restaurant to get dinner for himself and his wife. He then returned home for the evening.

Later, according to court documents filed Friday, Purdue officials said Yin logged into two computers in the Math Building. He logged in under his name and that of Yeunkyung during the early morning hours of Aug. 3.

Later on Aug. 3 Yin and his wife, Jun Ke, drove to Chicago. Upon the couple's return from Chicago that same evening Yin was questioned about his knowledge of using Yeunkyung's computer account and her murder. According to court records he denied knowledge of the murders at that time.

On Aug. 5 Yin and his wife traveled to Oklahoma State University to visit a friend of Yin's.

"She (Jun Ke) advised that Yin had admitted killing the women, wanted her forgiveness and indicated that he did not want to face the victims' parents," according to the affidavit. "She advised that she tried to get him to turn himself in, but he stated he did not want to spend his life in prison. He also stated that he did not know why he did it but also stated that he did not hate them."

Upon the couple's arrival in Oklahoma on Aug. 6 Jun Ke contacted Oklahoma State University Police about Yin's revelations. Later that day preliminary charges were filed and a warrant was obtained for Yin's arrest.

On the evening of Aug. 7 Yin was arrested while attempting to enter Canada near Amherst, New York. On Aug. 8 Yin waved extradition and Dietrich and Stump flew to New York into custody.

According to court documents, upon being notified of his rights twice, Yin indicated "that he wanted to take responsibility for what he had done."

Mr. Mysterious
May 31, 2004, 12:04 AM
Oleg, can you post it without the reflection?

May 31, 2004, 12:20 AM
Shoot for the 2nd button rather than the 3rd.

May 31, 2004, 12:32 AM

Just some thoughts on the composition. Perhaps centering the attacker & putting the gun on the viewer's right & the phone on the left. A sort of 'one hand or the other' visual. As it is, I find the phone & gun just sorta stuck on there.

Of course, since I'm left-handed, I find the above totally discriminatory. Excuse me, I've got to go sue myself. Later.


June 1, 2004, 11:34 AM
I second 900f sugestion. Gun in the right hand, Phone in the left You could even picture the hands. I also second the machete idea, ( more psycho, less "the roofer who works next door". I also think tho guy doenst look angry enough ( Im not convinced he want to kill me)

Great concept!

June 1, 2004, 11:41 AM
Great! Who is the thug? Someone we know? :p

June 1, 2004, 03:41 PM
Oleg, I wanna be a bad guy.

I think that phone in hand on the left, bad guy with big-ass knife, and handgun on the right would work.

Of course there's always the more difficult layout...

On left down low, fade-in pic of a police dispatcher. On right, pic of handgun from the "user" angle.

R.H. Lee
June 1, 2004, 03:55 PM
Double tap

R.H. Lee
June 1, 2004, 03:57 PM
1610 gr. .45 hardball. Slidelock. Drop mag. Reload. Repeat.

I hope the model is not a THR member. Scary. :uhoh:

June 2, 2004, 06:33 AM
I would call the Carpenter's Union and file a grievance.


June 2, 2004, 06:50 AM
Nice, Oleg

1. Shoot
2. Call 911
3. Call a lawyer


June 2, 2004, 09:52 PM
Cool pic, Oleg!:cool: How'd you get Cletus T. Judd to pose for you?:D Well, since you ask for suggestions, one would be a scarier dude, dosen't quite set the hair at the nape of my neck on edge. The other is more of a reflection in the other lens. I used to make glasses, and I can attest that there would be a similar reflection in that one, too.

BTW the correct answer is : Shoot, then call 911. Unless you think you can dipose of the body properly!:evil: :uhoh:

June 3, 2004, 01:28 AM
Dial or Shoot?


I'd thank my nieghbor for finally bringing my hammer back.

cracked butt
June 3, 2004, 03:12 AM
Hmm decisions, decisions.

Should I do what the nice man with a hammer says because I've been told that being cooperative won't get me hurt?

June 3, 2004, 05:00 AM
in the foreground of the poster, you could call it "Who will drop the hammer first?"

Seriously, go with a crowbar.

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