Ok, who has the worst anti-gun spouse story? Anyone's ex-wife sell their favorite rifle in a garage sale for $5? Anyone's estranged spouse back over their favorite pistol with a truck and then pull forward and do it again?
My wife is anti-gun in the sense that she just wishes that they didn't exist, military, police, etc. She's never given me a hard time about buying guns except for the money factor. She doesn't shoot regularly, but she's gone a few times. Anyway, I was just looking to hear amusing stories about whose wife screwed them the worst. Anyone's husband anti?
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June 2, 2004, 10:13 AM
My wife's never really screwed me, but she is very anti. Sees no reason whatsoever for machine guns. Hates guns in general. However, she has stopped insisting that I get my rifle out of the house, which is a good thing, I guess. The last 6 months or so, we've steadily been losing money, so new guns are sort of out of the question (in fact, I sold some guns that she didn't know about) but when the money situation improves when we move to a cheaper area, I'm imagining that she is going to hate the idea of me buying a pistol.
June 2, 2004, 10:15 AM
I've got a progun spouse. My guns keep dissappearing, and no matter how much I load, I always seem to be out of ammo.
My brother's ex however is a different story. Before she packed her bags and left, she took some JB wield to the barrel of his Colt Delta Gold Cup. Wicked, wicked woman.
June 2, 2004, 10:49 AM
I used to be a very anti-gun spouse. I did not go to extremes like mentioned in the above post, but I would never let my husband keep guns in the house. That is until some strange man decided to follow my 6 year old home from the school bus stop. (the police and school did nothing) Then without my knowledge my husband bought me a 9 mm. A little Dae Woo and taught me to shoot. I became addicted. I no longer have the Dae Woo I actually now prefer my Ruger P90 (much better aim with that), and actually can impress the guys at the range. I guess all it took was one real scare to change my mind about law abiding citizens and guns.
June 2, 2004, 11:00 AM
Another Sgts wife is very anti - but she is also very short, and in 9 months has not noticed his AR15 atop the china cabinet - no joke!
June 2, 2004, 11:51 AM
in 9 months has not noticed his AR15 atop the china cabinet - no joke! LOL! :D
June 2, 2004, 11:57 AM
My wife's never really screwed me:uhoh: Gosh, jamz, that's gotta be rough... :D
I got lucky with my wife. She was an anti before I met her, a fence-sitter when I met her, and she's very pro-gun, now. And our 12-year-old daughter (hers, from a previous) gets up on a soapbox every now and then when she hears about anti-gun laws: "Well, duh! Of course criminals aren't going to follow the law!"
 So to speak
June 2, 2004, 12:14 PM
JBweld in the barrel of a Delta Gold Cup? Thats a crime against humanity.
Short wife not seeing AR15 on top of china cabinet? Instant classic.
June 2, 2004, 12:18 PM
MY wife is very anti. She is not knowledgeable of the firearms in the household. She knows I am pro-gun, though.
Something along the lines of better to ask forgiveness than permission comes to mind.
June 2, 2004, 01:01 PM
My ex-wife wasn't anti- but she was stupid (make that is ].
While going through our divorce she put all my things out on the curb for me to pick up. Of course she waited 3 hours before calling me to tell me she had done that.
When I got there, my Remington 12ga was on top of the pile, and a box of ammo was sitting next to it. We lived in a small town, so I'm not too surprised that it was still there hours after she put it out.
All she could think of was that I'd probably lose an expensive possession. It never dawned on her that she was basically leaving a loaded shotgun in front of her house giving anybody the opportunity to use it on the nearest target - her!
I heard from my kids that her new husband locked his .45 in a quick-access lock box and couldn't get it open again. Didn't remember the pre-set combination number and locked the back-up key in the box with the gun.
They make a good couple.
June 2, 2004, 01:10 PM
My wife kinda straddles the fence - not really anti, but not pro-gun either. She insisted that I not carry around town on the weekends, but she understands when I have to go back into town at night for something, my 66 F-comp is going with me. :D
Golden opportunity coming up in July: our son will be off at 4-H camp for one week, and we're going to eat out every night he's gone. She doesn't know it yet, but I'm gonna take her over to the range after dinner one of those evenings. :evil:
June 2, 2004, 01:28 PM
My wife is pro, my mother-in-law is major Anti. You should have seen my
MIL's face when my wife told the family that I bought her a pistol for her
birthday. If I had had a video tape of that one I would have won Funniest
My uncle came home just in time to find his (now) ex-wife with some guy
in the basement giving her and estimate on the value of all his rifles and
what he would give her for them.:fire:
His son and his nephews had them out of the house within 2 hours of that.
She wanted half the value of the collection.:cuss:
Family story, My great grandmother took all the rifles my great grandfather
had and threw them in the lake/pond on the farm. Guess who couldn't
swim. From the story my Grandfather tells, the number is about a dozen.
Why did she do it? She was mad because he spent to much time in the
woods hunting with the Darn Dog. Thank goodness the dog can swim:p
June 2, 2004, 01:41 PM
My wife is very, very pro gun. Her attitude is, if you don't have to feed it or take it for a walk, buy it.:D :D :D :neener:
June 2, 2004, 01:47 PM
My wife is pro-gun but not particularly interested in them.
She just finished her Bachelor's degree and takes her registry exam for Respiratory Therapy today.
Now that she's all done with school, I want her to get her CCW. I'll have to talk her into the NRA Basic Pistol class.
I've got a Kahr K-9 and Glock 27 at home, so hopefully she could carry one of those, if they fit her hand.
June 2, 2004, 01:50 PM
the ex cost me, (in no particular order):
.357 Mag Blackhawk
.41 Mag Blackhawk
.44 Mag Super Blackhawk
Rem Nylon 66
Mdl 59 S&W (large mag version)
20 Ga Rem "Sportsman" model (like the Browning A-5)
Cheapy .22LR/.22Mag SA revo "Buffalo Scout" probably FIE
Charter Bulldog .44 Spl
$600 in Snap-On brand tools....1971/72 pricing
and nearly all of my Human Dignity
June 2, 2004, 02:01 PM
Many are anti just because they can't stand the though of their husband having a good time.
This one though just didn't have the proper reverence for her first husband's huntingbird dog. One day, while her husband was at work, she noticed that the bird dog had stepped on a rainbow and gone to heaven.
This didn't look nice so, she found a large yard bag, sleeved it over dead rover and decanted him into the garbage can. When she pulled the draw string tight the little tippy-tip of the dog's tail was still sticking out. She thought and though and finally tied a smaller bag over the tail.
This fooled the garbologists into picking up the former bird dog which ordinarily they would have rejected due to bureaucratic protocol.
Later when the husband came home she said. " Oh, by the way, your dog died."
"Oh No! Where is he?"
" I threw him in the trash. "
He didn't like that
Apropos of nothing and unrelated to the story, they later divorced. The first husband continues his career as a manure salesman or something like.
The wife married a lawyer, went to law school and is now probably fatly prosperous.
June 2, 2004, 02:24 PM
My wife is anti. She is well versed in the Oprah-arguments: ("for the children, you may as well store bombs in the garage, why do you need one anyway").
I told her a while ago that I wanted to buy a pistol and we got into a HUGE argument that lasted over a week. I have learned since then to just buy them and not tell her about it. I also never let her see them, except for the 12g I've had for the past 15 years.
She will never turn pro. But she realizes her arguments are either flawed, or have damn good responses (mostly thanks to the tidbits I get from this board!).
June 2, 2004, 02:40 PM
Anyone's husband anti?
Mine was neutral, leaning toward anti, for a lot of years. By the time I was shooting regularly, he was neutral leaning toward pro and that kind of gradually segued into pro but disinterested. Constant exposure to the shooting sports, and my own interest, has changed that a little bit. These days he's humoring me by carrying and has even taken a couple classes. He still not really excited about the whole thing, but agrees it should be done. About the best I can hope for and I'm proud of him. :cool:
I've finally got him convinced to carry from time to time. From December until mid-April he carried almost every single day, but the weather warmed up and now we need to rethink his carry gear again. :cool:
June 2, 2004, 02:51 PM
When I got there, my Remington 12ga was on top of the pile, and a box of ammo was sitting next to it.
Good idea, leave it on the street for the neighborhood kids to play with.
June 2, 2004, 05:41 PM
Well the wife is none too thrilled about my collection. Her father was a gunsmith and an avid collector who always carried a Model 10. She does tolerate my hobby and that works for me.
The wife does not touch my stuff and that is okay with me. I will say that some women can be particularly vicious and that a fella has to protect himself. I guess that is just the way it goes!
June 2, 2004, 05:51 PM
My wife cost me $3,000. Made me buy her an Open gun :(
Seriously, though...hormones aside, doesn't anyone else vet their girlfriends/boyfriends/goats? I dumped a few women over the years when they failed the "oooooooh, guns..." test...no matter how cute they are.
Cute only lasts for a while. Friends last forever.
Well, that said...so far so good...and cute too :p
June 2, 2004, 06:33 PM
I recall one of our church ladies who advised her daughter. "When you meet a boy, go over to his house and find out if his hobbie is GUNZ! If his hobbie is GUNZ!, don't have anything to do with him!"
Her husband had provided for her well enough that she didn't need a job for her spending money but, she hated him anyway. would have been the same if his hobby had been fishing.
So first the daughter married a guy who'se hobby was fencing with foils. He ran off with a woman from the Church. Then she married a child molester and he went to prison
Neither of them carred a thing about GUNZ!
June 2, 2004, 06:49 PM
If I were to get married(not likely!!) this subject would come up very early in the relationship, well before marriage was even a thought.
It'd be tough, as I wouldn't want my current collection to be aquired by the new spouse. On the other hand, there's no way in hell I would put up with the "You spend too much on them!" "No guns in my house!" garbage that some of you put up with. There's no woman on this planet worth that kind of crap.
June 2, 2004, 07:11 PM
I agree but understand that other people's urge to merge overcomes most or all other considerations. It's a continuous source of trouble as I learned in my younger days.
If I were to advise people on the marital state, I would advised them first and foremost to avoid marryiing ( or any of the current versions of the pair-bonding state) a person who is as crazy as an outhouse rat.
I seem to observe that people who follow that rule sometimes stay married for LIFE.
Signs to look for:
1. Person of the opposit sex living with a significant number of cats and dogs;
2. Person of the opposit sex who shoots the finger at passing motorists;
3. Person of the opposit sex who says " I don't like credit cards and I don't spend much money" Unless said person is hooked up to a polygraph and has a statement that the person is not diagnosed with:
(a. Borderline Personality Disorder;
(b. Psychopathic Character Disorder;
(c. Schizophrenia or Psychosis N.O.S.
4. Person screams out " I've had a much harder life than you have!!!"
and then says. " Do you think I may be bi-polar?"
When these things are eliminated, the question of how many deadly weapons belong in the residence and how they can be safely stored can be worked out in a reasonable manner.
June 2, 2004, 07:36 PM
She promises not to complain about guns and I promise not to kill and grill her cat.
June 2, 2004, 07:42 PM
My ex-wife was whole-heartedly in favor of banning guns when we met. By the time we went our separate ways five years later, she had a concealed firearms permit and was carrying her own (formerly my) Colt Trooper Mark III.
Progress is possible.
June 2, 2004, 07:49 PM
If I were to advise people on the marital state, I would advised them first and foremost to avoid marryiing ( or any of the current versions of the pair-bonding state) a person who is as crazy as an outhouse rat.
Sage advice...but that would render some of us permanently single :cool:
June 2, 2004, 08:08 PM
True. The fortunate aspect of my sage advise is that I'm not competent to ladle out advise on the conubial state. Both of my erstwile spouces (spice?) were crazy as the afore mentioned Rata Cloacae
June 2, 2004, 08:46 PM
There was a thread a while back, and now I can't find it, but this guys wife was the worst! They live(ed) in CA.
He comes home one day to find that his wife had 1) discovered she was pregnant, 2) decided guns in the house were bad, 3) loaded said guns into car and ran them down to the po-po station, asking how to ship them to Texas. The police were VERY interested in a few of the guns, seeing how this guy somehow didn't get news of the Assault Weapon Registration that went on. One gun was flat illegal in CA and a couple of others hadn't been registered. He was charged with several crimes, and when he posted about it had spent $10k in legal fees and was looking at spending at least $5k more. Plus it looked like he was going to loose the guns and the case since his big defense was that the unregistered gun were inoperable since the bolts were'nt in them, even though they were readily available.
Hard to believe his own wife did it to him!
Edted to add: Found the link! :)
Wife Screws Hubby Big Time! (http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148129)
June 2, 2004, 09:00 PM
not so hard actually. I recall one couple found themselves in the middle of a bank robbery. The robbers made everybody lie down on the floor. Wife says to husband in a conversational volume. " Donntttt"t take out your gunnnnn."
Whereupon the robber came over and shot the husband in the back of he head.
Then there was Hacker. His wife suffered from a collogen vascular disease complicated by alcoholism. One night, she got drunk and chased Hacker down the hall blasting loose pieces of the parquet flooring with her .38 Chief. After she went to sleep, Hacker got the .38 and put it in his house coat so as to always know where it was.
Late one night the livestock went highly agitado and he stepped outside to confront a pack of ravening turd-hounds. He outs with the .38 and begins blasting more or less at random. Come the weekend, the hacker grandchildren arrived. " Were's my Horsie? I wanna see my horsie. Here Horsie. Tottling over a low rise, gwandbabie finds horsie resting with a .38 caliber third eye right between the other two.
June 3, 2004, 02:54 AM
My wife likes to shoot, but my brother's wife is anti everything, when we were young we had oldles of guns and went hunting evry chance we got. Not any more for the bro, I offered to pay for his entire trip up to Alaska to visit me and including a free Mountain Goat on my dime, his responce is noway my wife would kill me. A man with a broken sprit, aint no woman worth giving up my guns over. :cuss:
June 3, 2004, 03:24 AM
not even a virgin pam anderson would be worth givin up my guns good thing my wife loves them much as me and shoots 45 better than most guys
and makes pam look like phylis diller:)
June 3, 2004, 05:53 AM
When did you meet ALL of my ex-girlfriends? :eek:
June 3, 2004, 07:09 AM
My wife kinda straddles the fence - not really anti, but not pro-gun either. She insisted that I not carry around town on the weekends, but she understands when I have to go back into town at night for something, my 66 F-comp is going with me.
This is where I'm supposed to say "concealed means concealed". ;-)
June 3, 2004, 07:45 AM
birdv: good one :D
My Wife's always been afraid of guns. Heck, 12 years ago she didn't even want 'em in the house. Boy, how times have changed. ;)
Now, she's even warming up to the idea of me having a concealed carry now that we have it here in Ohio.
The funny thing is she's a better shot than I am.
June 3, 2004, 09:52 AM
Okay, I gotta ask.
This might get me in major trouble, but I just have to ask.
If a person is completely dead set against something that you think and feel is very important, why, oh why on earth would you actually marry that person?
I would never have married a woman who was dead set against guns.
I would never have married a woman who described herself as a socialist.
I would have never married a woman who described herself as an atheist.
All of those outlooks and opinions are completely contradictory to my outlooks and opinions.
It would seem to me that marrying someone who is completely and wholely against one or more of your basic beliefs is just asking for trouble down the road.
There are plenty of other fish in the sea, etc.
I don't get it. What's the deal?
June 3, 2004, 10:59 AM
When I met my wife she was not really anti, just more scared it would go off in the house. Her concession was I could have a Rifle (Guess she thought it was "more safe" then a pistol lol ) well time went by she shot it too and liked it a little.
One day while I was living in California, I went to take the stupid Basic firearms safety test and got a handgun, she didn't freak or anything, just told me to be careful, slowly the guns multiplied in the safe lol and she does not worry about them now. She has shot them, (She doesn't really like shooting, the noise and blast and all lol) but she HAS shot all of them and know how they work. She isn't a great shot but to her credit after 9/11 the first thing she wanted to do is learn how to shoot better.
Guess I am lucky heh she does not mind my hobby at all now.
June 3, 2004, 12:59 PM
Havta agree with Hillbilly. Even my first wife shared most of my views. We split for less obvious and much more stupid reasons. After that I encountered one girl who opposed firearms. She started haranquing me on a date about the shotgun in the back of the car. I looked at her, laughed in her face and took her home...then picked up a friend and took HER to the reserved dinner date. :) Dated one who started talking about how she had sooo much liked Dukakis and supported abortion. I considered dropping her at the curb but took her all the way home simply out of the goodness of my heart.
I just don't have time to be married to obvious wierdos. Women are wierd enough in the ways it takes great time to discover without dealing with odd stuff from day one. :D
June 3, 2004, 01:07 PM
She promises not to complain about guns and I promise not to kill and grill her cat.
Oh Lordy...Are you sure we're not with the same woman? :scrutiny:
There have been several times I've wanted to.....ahh, nevermind, I'm sure you understand.
June 3, 2004, 01:56 PM
My spousal unit came from a totally anti family.While living out West she got to shoot all my guns from black powder to highpower rifles.Grew to enjoy it.Then the kids started arriving (3 now) and she took a turn for the worse.Started the "I don't want any guns in the house".So I picked up the want adds and started brousing in Houses for rent....She dropped the subject.Since 9-11 she's asked me to go to the range several times.Now keeps 38 snub with her at all times.Both our girls are trained in all guns in the house,at her request(my son has been shooting with me since he was 7.They come and they go.:p
June 3, 2004, 02:25 PM
My former wife wasn't particularly "anti-gun", just an all-around World Class Be-otch.
When we split (I had to get a court order to compel her to return both my money from the joint account AND allow me access to my former home to collect my personal property) she'd destroyed my record collection, thrown out all of my photograph albums, and given my guns and clothing to her brother.
The sherrif's deputy that accompanied me told me that in the absence of a restraining order prior to her doing so, there was nothing that I could do about it except take her to civil court.
So I did the only thing that I could do: went over to her brother's and asked him to return my stuff. When he became belligerant and threatened me with a ball bat, I felt justified in kicking the s--t out of him. Cops ended up arresting him for aggravated assault, possession of stolen property (mine AND others), and possession of a controlled substance when they responded to my obligatory CYA phone call ;-))
The only thing I could do about the photos, albums, my service decorations, etc. was to mourn them and pray that her Karma would run over her.
June 3, 2004, 03:02 PM
My wife was a fence sitter when I met her. She really didn't care too much and had never really thought about guns. He father is a farmer in IA so he always had a few guns around to take care of coons and woodchucks. Since I met her my income has gone up so now I can afford more guns. I have bought the bulk of my guns since I met her as long as the bills get paid she doesn't seem to care too much.
As far as the people that are arguing against not getting married I think it all depends on what your future spouse is like. So many people get married just because that is the next step. How stupid is that. I really enjoy being married and have been now for 5 years. If you find the right woman getting being married is the best thing that will ever happen to you.
June 3, 2004, 03:18 PM
"I really enjoy being married and have been now for 5 years. If you find the right woman getting being married is the best thing that will ever happen to you."
Can't say from personal experience but I believe that this is a true statement.
June 3, 2004, 03:55 PM
I'll second what mec said about crazy women. Back when I was dating a crazy woman, we were having an arguement over a long distance phone call. Only problem is she's in the room with my 2,200 dollar match rifle threatening to beat it with the hammer she had in her hand. At that point I pretty much decided, "Okay lie to her, tell her what she wants to here, get her to not destroy my gun collection, go home, and dump the B#$^#." Then I moved out, got all my guns off site (I was living in a place w/ a "no guns" policy") and said "Good bye."
June 3, 2004, 04:04 PM
...How many cats is "a significant number?":scrutiny: If it's "one," then my spouse and I both married loonies. (And saved two other people!)
I was never "anti," I grew up around 'em and one of my father's farming friends used to send me out target-shooting with a .22 revolver whenever we visited just to get me out of the way -- he had no kids my age and I was too young to do more than annoy the adults. (H'mm, I still annoy the adults. Oh well). But I didn't own one for years after I was on my own. It was an expense I could avoid. Once I'd moved to the big city and got held up a few times (man, a .38 muzzle is huge from the wrong side!), it stopped being all that avoidable, and now hubby and I have, umm, many handguns and we both carry all the time.
However, I've always been anti-moron. The gangpunks and the really clueless types you sometimes dodge at the range (the ones who don't realize a firearm is not a pointer or conductor's baton!) irk me no end. They do tend to be self-limiting but it's small consolation when you're sharing space with 'em. Don't know what I'd do about 'em if I ran the world -- a good slapping-around seems like too little, too late, but it would be personally comforting.... ;)
June 3, 2004, 04:05 PM
that was a close one. One of the things I found out during the last one was that I would say anything to get her to calm down -without much regard for the truth. I thought I was pretty honest before that and it's amazing what you learn about yourself walking the ragged edge with a maniac.
June 3, 2004, 04:24 PM
It seems that this thread is not a ringing endorsement of marriage!:D
June 3, 2004, 05:06 PM
Whatever. The thread has been open for one day and already rivals the all-time favorite, "Gunwriters are Moronic Hoes."
It appears to have struck a chord.
June 3, 2004, 05:10 PM
she's not my wife but she probably will be, but my girlfriend is the one who really got me into guns =) bless her little heart and guns
June 3, 2004, 05:11 PM
The only young lady that has even a chance of making it down the aisle with me anytime in the near future is gorgeous and packs her own Glock 26 and a reload. :)
June 3, 2004, 05:20 PM
Wow.... I love my wife even more after reading this thread.
My wife isn't really anti, just a little nervous about the children (had a bad reaction to me talking about training the kids to shoot as they get older). Fortunately she is intelligent and open minded so I should be able to convince her it's a good idea with a well reasoned argument. Heck, the woman bought me a motorcycle as an anniversary gift while she was pregnant with our first child (we had always said our first kid would be a cycle and when she go pregnant she decided she had 9 months to produce a cycle or be in breach of contract)! :D
On another happy note she is the one that told me to go ahead and buy the Marlin 1894CBC lever action that I desperately want!
June 3, 2004, 06:13 PM
>>If a person is completely dead set against something that you think and feel is very
>>important, why, oh why on earth would you actually marry that person?
If I waited for the perfect woman, well.......
Someone mentioned it before, about "breaking his will". My wife wins most of the arguments
we have. She is anti. She's also a fiesty Italian. She's also not stupid. She knows the 6 figure paycheck and $.5M house go bye bye if I leave. Even in the people's republic, we have both seen divorces crush both peoples situations. I respect her (wrong) opinion and she respects mine as much as she disagrees with it.
She can disagree. However my 'will' will not be broken.
There are a few topics I reserve the nuclear option for. Debt and guns are the two biggies (in that order). Ironically enough, if I didn't have the onions to fight her on some issues, she would have probably never married me.
She's also a size 4. Arguing is some of the price I pay :D
So far it has worked for 5 years! We'll see!
June 3, 2004, 08:38 PM
Being twice divorced makes me an expert - right? :)
Both were pro- gun. The daddy of the first one was my shooting partner for years, he is still my personal physican. Second one, raised in the country, guns were a way of life.
First one decided Adultry - I divorced. Second one had hormonal imbalance due to pancreatitis.
My Theory: Couples go through stages, meeting, dating, engagement, and marriage, each year of marriage and that happens.[kids,good or bad fortune...etc.] Each stages presents changes in the indivdual and the couples relationship to each other. Impressions are sometimes NOT to impress the other, but the individual on how they are to self.
Brutal honesty is the key IMO.
As they say...change persons, playmates and playthings". Meaning hang with the right folks, with same interests, and activities and a lot of bad experiences "may not happen".
I did this, got bit..so much for theories - huh?
Best advice I heard " nobody ought to get married until they are 86 y/o - by then too old to care, to deaf to hear, to blind to see mistakes".
June 4, 2004, 02:05 AM
First off, it's good to see you back, Okiecruffler.
My ex wasn't anti, per se, just self-absorbed and a spendthrift as long as it was on herself. I eventually sold 16 BHP's to help finance my court-mandated liposuction on that one (I lost 300 pounds of mean, ugly fat). She sold the Baby Browning I gave her for a 'purse gun' to a felon she worked with for $50. and I imagine the S&W Model 60 I bought her met a similar fate. She was always ragging me about 'going shooting' almost every weekend ( I was hitting the competition circuit) and I eventually sold my M1A to someone who thought it was worth a lot more money than I did.
My current wife is just the opposite. She keeps trying to cabbage onto my (last) BHP for her own until I buy her a 1911. She has her own range membership and can come close to out-shooting me with my own Garand and AR. About 25 years ago she popped a burglar trying to break into her patio door with her dad's old warhorse .45.
June 4, 2004, 10:14 AM
Lots of interesting posts on this thread. Which leads me to believe there are some things worse than being alone. It took me a long time to find Mrs. Meek but after reading some of these terrible stories I'd say it was worth the wait.
June 5, 2004, 03:27 PM
Wow, some of you had some scary ex(s). My little gal is the daughter of a sheriff. When an acquaintance offered to sell me a full-sized H&K USP 9 for $300, she said you buy that or don't come home. I just grinned.
Finding the right woman is so important. You first have to find one that could be your best friend first. The love will come later. We don't always agree. She's much 'harder' on stupid people then I am. I'd actually feel sorry for someone that tried to physically harm any of us. She'd go a little beyond slide lock. More like "I'm out of ammo, pass me that meat cleaver and pencil, NOW!"
June 5, 2004, 06:00 PM
I'm especially thankful I've never been interested in an anti yet now that I've read some of these stories. In fact, my current interest not only said she wants to go shooting, she's also an ex-PRK resident.
June 5, 2004, 08:21 PM
Live together first!!!
I'd love to hear the female perspective on this, but here's the Male:
Women (and prob men too) will pretend to be completely different people if they think it will make you marry them. Live together for a long time until you're sure they've let their guard down. I'm convinced marriage would occur at least 50% less often if this advice was followed. I was recently released from a long relationship (dated for 7 yrs lived together for 5). I thought she was the perfect match for a long time, but right about the time I was thinking "maybe its time", she ran out of patience. Lucky me. Apparantly she really does want kids, is religious, doesnt really like guns or cars or skiing, and would prefer I say nothing around anyone she knows. I never hid anything about myself and always made it clear that I love guns, cars, skiing, hate kids and speak my mind whenever and however I feel like. What do you think she was waiting for?;)
June 5, 2004, 09:37 PM
Live together first!!! That may be questionable advice in a society which considers live-ins to be domestic partners which gives the potential for lots of legal action under the domestic violence-restraining-order-domestic-threats-and-other-bs statutes.
As for me I never lived with Mrs. Meek before we were married, but I knew she was the one when she took my S&W and claimed it as her own. :D
June 5, 2004, 09:39 PM
Live together first!!!
Me and my ex lived together for 8 years before we got married. The marriage lasted 17 months.
The woman I married was not the same woman I divorced.
June 5, 2004, 11:20 PM
Wow 8 yrs and she was still in Camo!
8 yrs in Vt is common law married anyway.
I guess yours had more patience. Would have made a good turkey hunter!:)
June 5, 2004, 11:49 PM
My wife is pretty neutral, or for the most part doesn't care about guns. I think she accepts the fact that I have thousands of dollars in reloading gadgets, more rifles than I have time to ever shoot, and that occassionally a new gun might miraculously appear in my collection.
My only problem is that I cannot go to the range as much as I'd like to, or spend as much time reloading as I'd like to. She keeps a honey-do list so long that I'll never finish and considers an hour of my time reloading or tinkering to be 'screwing off' instead of getting something productive done.
She really likes shooting during the times when all of the planets and the moon align where we both have time, the kd is at Grandma's house, I happen to have enough ammo on hand, and can convince her to go to the range with me.
I figure that I have about 10 years to wait until my son will be getting into hunting and shooting, then taking the kd to the range once a week might be more acceptable to her than me going once or twice a month now.
June 5, 2004, 11:53 PM
Last studies I saw said that living together--even for long periods--didn't increase the odds of a marriage being successful. IIRC, it actually slightly increased the likelihood of divorce.
The theory is that people don't really settle down and be themselves until there have been some serious committments made (e.g. marriage vows.) Also, what makes a marriage strong is how well the two folks understand committment--that's not something you learn by avoiding them (i.e. living together.) If two people understand commitments, they'll work hard to make sure that they stand by those commitments after the marriage, and they'll work hard before the marriage to make sure that they aren't committing to something that can't possibly last.
My dating M.O. was to spend the first date discussing very basic issues--religion--politics--family. It's just plain foolish to risk developing an emotional attachment with someone who has fundamental differences with you. Once the hormones kick in, you're no longer thinking rationally. Get the important stuff out of the way right off the bat and THEN see where the "chemistry" takes you.
I do admit that you don't always get to plan things that well. The only solution for that is to make sure that those around you know what you're like. Then if something comes out of the blue, it is to be hoped that someone will fill in the blanks for one or both of you if there is a major compatibility issue.
June 6, 2004, 01:51 AM
First wife was scared to death of guns. I could have them she just didn't want to see them. Divorced for a long nasty list of reasons but guns weren't among them. My 2nd, current and last wife likes to shoot as much as I do. She bought me a gun safe for Chrstmas so I'd have room for a couple more. Finding the right person is hard but it's great when it happens.
Being 1/2 Sicilian and 1/4 Apache she does have a temper. God help somebody she decides has earned the right to stop breathing. Being a good ol boy from Virginia I'm much more laid back than she is, just don't mess with my wife, moma, kid or dog. That order can shift around from time to time but all 4 are important.
June 6, 2004, 02:39 AM
My wife isn't too interested in guns, but I wouldn't call her an anti. I have just a couple of guns, and she didn't enjoy shooting my AK. I guess it was too heavy and kicked too much. I'll just have to buy one for her, thinking about a small and lightweight Bushmaster M4. She sometimes wonders why people ccw just to the grocery store and the like... slowly trying to convince her.
And about living together first, I think the latest stats on that are you are 4 times as likely to get divorced if you live together first. We didn't before we got married last year.
Your results may vary.
November 25, 2004, 08:54 PM
On the very first date I was asked to stop shooting. Yeah right, I was shooting competitive 3 position, air rifle and high power and doing very well. I just look at her and said I don't give anything up on the first date and I will never give up shooting. We dated for a couple years but the one I married just bought her own 1911 and bennellie M-2, starting to reload for her 1911 and cleans my shotguns and rifles but says the glocks are a pain and leaves those for me to clean.
November 25, 2004, 11:13 PM
I guess I am pretty lucky. Met my future Loving Wife and our first date was to shoot skeet from a hand trap! She did pretty fair and I had her hooked! Now 20yrs later our oldest son(19),middle son(17)and her all shoot Hipower,some Cowboy Action,and BPCR. Our youngest (6)is the "Brass Monkey"and sees that ALL brass is picked up.Ours and any other that the other shooters will give him!
Livin in TEXAS
November 25, 2004, 11:14 PM
See folks this is yet another reason, being a gay guy aint quite so bad. My B/F is rather pro gun, and dispite his location (Kommifornistan) I'm working on arming him sufficiently.
No fights where guns came up, for I did receive a 500 check to be spent on firearms only from him for my birthday. :)
November 26, 2004, 12:07 AM
My ex isn't so much an anti as a rabid hoplophobe. I have three short stories to share, a drop in the bucket compared to the fourteen years we were together.
#1 "The family vacation"
We drove out of state on vacation several years ago and I took two friends ~ namely Horace Smith and Daniel B. Wesson, along for the ride. I'd already made a careful study of the laws and regulations of each state we'd pass through, even going so far as to call the Maryland State Police to ensure that the information was up to date, and so I knew what was permissible and what was not.
During the long drive, most of which was done at night, my wife and daughter frequently had to use the facilities at lonely rest areas and on those occasions I discreetly kept watch to protect them from danger. The next morning I pulled into a McDonald's in a state which allowed non-residents to carry loaded handguns in thier gloveboxes and so I took the liberty of doing so. Unfortunately, my ex returned with the food at the same time I was closing the latch and owing to her suspicious nature she immediately opened it and literally exploded at the sight of my Model 642.
So there I am, sitting in a car in the middle of summer - windows down and cars parked all around, while she screams and yells at the top of her lungs about how she's not going to come visit me in jail when I get arrested, and how she's going to take our daughter and divorce me if I am, and how it's probably going to go off and kill someone, etc. etc. Everyone, and I do mean everyone within fifty yards is stopping dead in thier tracks or craning thier necks to stare at us as she'd just informed everyone not legally deaf that I was carrying a handgun. It was in vain that I reminded her of the laws in that state, because she was never one to let a little thing like facts spoil a good emotional tantrum. She merely kept repeating what she'd said over and over and over while I started the engine and drove away before anyone could write down our license plate and report a domestic disturbance.
Did I mention that our daughter was busy covering her ears in the back seat?
#2 "Gun cleaning"
Although my firearm maintenance frequently elicited arguments in the early stages of our marriage, she eventually came to realize that I was going to do it regardless of her opinions on the matter and thus ceased to complain. One evening, as I sat at the dining room table carefully scrubbing out the barrel of my Colt Series 80, she wandered over for a look. Without so much as a single question she picks up the .38 revolver to my left and says "Oh, so this is what the criminals use to rob stores" before pointing it directly at my face and pulling the trigger! Not once, mind you, but repeatedly and accompanied by her best impressions of a gunshot. I'm sitting there ashen-faced with my mouth hanging open while the trigger is clicking and she's saying "bang, bang, bang!" (Thank the Lord I'm paranoid about ensuring my guns are unloaded when not in use)
As you can imagine I snatched it from her hand so fast it made her jump back half a step, and an instant later she was furiously launching into an indignant tirade about how "rude" I was and how I had no right to take it from her like a she was a child. Nevermind that she'd been acting like one, a fact which I told her straight out. She was still shouting to wake the dead as I hurriedly packed up the guns, put them in the safe, and cleared the table.
Funny thing was, she had the nerve to ask me later that same year why I never tried to teach her to shoot. Not that she wanted to learn, but just to "know why I never offered." Yeah right, like I'm going to offer to teach a woman who's physically abusive and subject to rages, has a temper problem, is insecure, and plays with guns like toys. :rolleyes:
#3 "The (so-called) Anniversary present"
I'll never forget my first gun. It was shortly before our anniversary that I found a sweet deal on a nice Colt revolver and quickly plunked down the necessary funds to complete the transaction. Although I appreciated my good fortune the wife threw a fit, loudly proclaiming that she'd divorce me if I purchased the gun or even dared to bring it into the house, as she would not live in a home with guns. As the days of the waiting period passed, she repeated her ultimatum and even went so far as to make a show of partially packing an overnight bag. Finally the day came for me to pick up my blued steel beauty and I proudly brought it home to discover that the wife was right where I left her - clearly not a woman of her word.
Well, true to form her ego wouldn't permit her to admit that she'd been unable to control my actions and so in an effort to cushion her wounded pride she managed to convince herself that she'd "allowed" me to purchase the gun as an anniversary present. Imagine! Not only had she "let" me buy it, but she'd even paid for it. How convenient. Better still, she even had the male genitalia to tell that story to members of my family who had heard her threats and rants against the purchase only a few weeks earlier.
Ah, the lengths to which self-delusion will go.....
November 26, 2004, 12:30 AM
I would never ever get hooked up with an anti. I would imagine that an anti and I would differ so much in other areas there would be conflict from the start. Most antis are socialists at the core. Just not enough core values and beliefs in common to make a "relationship" work.
I'd stay away from fence sitters too. Fence sitters in my opinion are time-bombs waiting to become antis. All they need is the right conditions to push them over. They could also be camoflaging anti leanings with a fence sitter attitude until they think they have their hooks in you deep enough to try and mold you in their image. They calculate that at some point you will feel you have too much invested in the "relationship" to walk away. A gross miscalculation. I'll always retain and excercise my right to opt out. Life is too short to put up with a miserable relationship
My philosophy is this: No compromise. "The guns were here long before you showed up and will be here long after you're gone and been replaced".
November 26, 2004, 04:37 AM
My current GF isn't really an anti, but she has a huge aversion to handling or using guns. She claims it was because of a childhood incident where an irresponsible youth pointed an unloaded gun at her and chased her around her own house. I've tried to get her to handle them (picking them up is a victory in my book) and understand that they are just machines.
She has said that she will go shooting with me sometime. I'm going to start her with my 10/22 and possibly CZ-75B.
Her mother on the other hand is a former gun owner turned anti. Kinda strange considering the strong military herritage of her family. Dad was a capt. in the USAF, brother recently retired from the Army. Her husband (my GF's father) spent several years in the Army. At any rate, my potential MIL always asks me why I need them and tells me I'll never use them. I always respond that they get used everytime I go target shooting. :neener:
Her husband has long since given up any interest in guns (even though he was exposed to MANY in his days as a Ranger)
She is far too stubborn to ever turn from the dark side. There is hope, however, for her daughter. :evil: She may not end up carrying, but she will understand them and know how to handle them.
November 26, 2004, 05:46 AM
wow, after reading some of these, i'm glad my wife (a former fence post sitter) isn't that bad after all. She actually got on to me the other day for NOT taking her shooting in the past 2 weeks.
November 26, 2004, 06:23 AM
My ex was not anti.
In fact I gave her a Ruger Blackhawk, .357mag!!!
After I found her with a guy (twice), I had enough and moved out!!
Well, my (now) ex in-laws had given me a Marlin M36 for a birthday. The little witch wanted me to give it back to them!!! I said "no dice"!!! The rifle left with me as did all the rest of my guns, save the Ruger!! I wish I had that pistol now, because, I bet the :cuss: sold it!! :banghead:
My current wife has confiscated my G26, forcing me to go and buy another!!
She also latched on to my Kel-Tec P32!!
She is also bugging me to send her to the AZ CCW class because she is jealous that I carry concealed and she has to open carry!! :neener:
As soon as I have the extra money, I'll do it!! ;)
November 26, 2004, 08:38 AM
Going to a gun show tomorrow and get my wife her CCW gun. :p
November 26, 2004, 09:01 AM
My hat is off to you guys. Those stories are just... words fail me, so :what: :uhoh: :eek: :banghead: :barf:
I had one self-centerd b1+ch for a GF for a time and learned plenty. Nothing of the sort described above though.
Mrs. igor comes from a rural family where elk is felled each fall and has zero issue with my guns. She's keen on sports so my modest competing in IPSC and Finnish military reserve 3-gun is valuable as such.
She shoots a few strings, very safely and surely, every time we're at her parents' place (range behind the barn) but isn't interested in getting more into it. She might have to take her dad's place in the elk hunting team in the coming years, though. She'd get a couple of good rifles with that deal too... and I keep saying that I can't take that slot in the club, it's her family stuff so she'll have to. We'll see what that'll bring :evil: :D
November 26, 2004, 10:25 AM
Not too hard to figure out how we get ourselves into these messes- when some sweet little thing walks by with that wiggle that they must teach girls someplace, the little guy robs the brain of all reason- some things I have learned during my 36 year marriage and in no particular order are- 1. assume it's your fault, say so and don't worry about it- you aren't going to win many arguments and it's best to play the game and go on- 2. when the dreaded words "we have to talk" are uttered, listen politely, agree with everything she says, and then go about your business as if nothing happened- 3. generally you get what you give- the last couple of years the wife has had the kitchen and both bathrooms remodeled- my gun safe has become drastically more crowded in the same space of time- 4. we've all heard of "Shock and Awe", my battle plan is "Surprise and Compliment"- for a recent anniversary my wife arranged a night out with dinner and a room- we had made a promise not to get each other any gifts- after the wine was served I pulled a small box out of my jacket and sat it on her plate- it was a ring that complimented the ear rings I had gotten her for her birthday the year before- she said I wasn't supposed to do this and she didn't me anything because we had a promise- I told her that she did and she was sitting on it- we almost didn't make it through dinner- 36 years now and so far so good- oh yeah, as far as my guns go, she leans toward anti but doesn't bug me about it- I picked a good one despite the little guy
November 26, 2004, 10:42 AM
I understand reasoning behind the advice not to live in before committing. I also believe that the commitments to her kids as well as herself may be more than any commitment she can ask for.
As far as wanting to PAINT the old 3 gun rack made in jr high 20 years ago to match the room. NO no time spent negotiating any middle ground. I was willing to only hang it in the closet until the shoe rack was thought up. I am still willing to hang it in the bebroom away from company. I can try to think of new furniture in the future that might match the wood grain and finnish of this gun rack. I will not allow this gun rack to be painted so no time like the present to say NO. I will sell it, give it away, or destroy it before I allow it to be painted.
Painting cannot be totaly cleanly and practicaly undone. I don't fight or argue every little point or idea I do not agree with.
Anyone want a 3 long gun rack with a shelf at the base with a dark wood grain stain. Maybe a display application for C&Rs or other inoperable pieces that deserve recognition and respect.
November 26, 2004, 11:02 AM
When i was first married i told my wife i was planning on buying some guns. She said she would leave me if i did. I said ok, don't let the door hit ya on the way out. Sadly i am no longer married.
November 26, 2004, 01:30 PM
My wife was beaten and stalked for six years by her ex-husband before she met me. I bought her a 357 and taught her how to shoot.
We both carry now. She was an anti before, but she loves her pistol and would never trade the security and good feelings it gives her now.
And God help her jacka** ex-husband if he ever confronts her now...
November 26, 2004, 03:48 PM
1. assume it's your fault, say so and don't worry about it- you aren't going to win many arguments and it's best to play the game and go on
You can be right or you can be happy.
November 26, 2004, 04:32 PM
.....1. assume it's your fault, say so and don't worry about it - you aren't going to win many arguments and it's best to play the game and go on- 2. when the dreaded words "we have to talk" are uttered, listen politely, agree with everything she says, and then go about your business as if nothing happened -.....
Total submission as a practical policy seems rather unreasonable to me. After all, is she extending you the same courtesy? If not, then the playing field seems rather slanted ~ in her favor, that is.
Now don't get me wrong. I'm all for peace and happiness in a marriage, but not at the expense of my self-respect and dignity. Blame it on either my Scottish or German heritage, but there is no way in the world that I am going to admit I am wrong when I know darned well I'm right.
Perhaps George Bernard Shaw says it best; "What price, salvation?"
November 26, 2004, 08:25 PM
one45auto- you miss the point- no "subjegation" or "submissiveness" or "loss of dignity" involved at all here, illustrated by the fact that I go about my business regardless- my wife would be the first to admit that I pretty much do what I want- I like to think of it as expediency and and energy saver-
November 26, 2004, 09:00 PM
I am slowly getting my girlfriend used to the idea of her shooting. As for me she doesn't mind my hunting/shooting. In fact she even bought me a 629 that a buddy offered to sell to me when I didn't have the money.
However as a funny story about anti-spouses, I have a buddy whose brother married an anti. No guns in the house, whole nine yards. My buddy ended up with his brother's AR and whenever he goes to visit he says he just walks in the house and when they ask why he didn't knock he just tells them "I know you don't have any guns in the house, so why should I bother..." :D
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