History Channel Poll--Vote Now!


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Mojo
February 11, 2003, 05:50 PM
Current History Channel Poll is "Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?"

Second Amendment needs your vote. We're at 25%.

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Greg L
February 11, 2003, 05:52 PM
Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?
Freedom of religion 21% 76 votes
Freedom of speech 41% 146 votes
Right to bear arms 26% 92 votes
Right to due process 8% 30 votes
Right to trial by jury 4% 16 votes


Total: Total Votes: 360

bamf
February 11, 2003, 05:52 PM
26% :D

Triad
February 11, 2003, 05:53 PM
Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?
Freedom of religion 21% 76 votes
Freedom of speech 41% 147 votes
Right to bear arms 26% 93 votes
Right to due process 8% 30 votes
Right to trial by jury 4% 16 votes

Total: Total Votes: 362
Done.

Blackhawk
February 11, 2003, 05:53 PM
Problem is, THC has given some intelligent choices!

Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?
Freedom of religion 21% 76 votes
Freedom of speech 40% 147 votes
Right to bear arms 26% 94 votes
Right to due process 8% 30 votes
Right to trial by jury 4% 16 votes


Total: Total Votes: 363

Justin
February 11, 2003, 05:55 PM
While I'll admit that I voted for the RKBA, I maintain that there is no one freedom that is most crucial. They are all equally important and to lose one is to lose them all.

Mike Irwin
February 11, 2003, 05:58 PM
But to lose the Second virtually guarantees the loss of them all, with little recourse for regaining them.

HABU
February 11, 2003, 05:59 PM
We are at 25% now. Only being beaten by freedom of speech at 39%.

As I was waiting for The History Channel page to load I had The History Channel on the tube. They were talking about the smart gun. BAH!:cuss:

Stephen Ewing
February 11, 2003, 06:03 PM
28%

MitchSchaft
February 11, 2003, 06:07 PM
I maintain that there is no one freedom that is most crucial.

The 2nd backs up all the rest. Without the 2nd, you have nothing to fall back on when they try to take the others. The 2nd is the most important in that respect.

Gary H
February 11, 2003, 06:08 PM
30%

Without which:http://www.jpfo.org/deathgc250x386.jpg

geekWithA.45
February 11, 2003, 06:13 PM
Shocking how little people value trial by jury, btw.

Says a whole lot.

EJ
February 11, 2003, 06:13 PM
Up to 31---
I'll vote again when I get on my home computer tonight :D

Destructo6
February 11, 2003, 06:17 PM
Yeah, I had to vote for RKBA because they didn't provide an, "all or none" choice.

Calamity Jane
February 11, 2003, 06:17 PM
Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?

Freedom of religion 19% 89 votes
Freedom of speech 36% 167 votes
Right to bear arms 32% 148 votes
Right to due process 7% 34 votes
Right to trial by jury 5% 22 votes

Total Votes: 460

cobb
February 11, 2003, 06:21 PM
Keep it rolling. :cool:

ladder15
February 11, 2003, 06:27 PM
Freedom of religion 18% 94 votes
Freedom of speech 35% 188 votes
Right to bear arms 36% 192 votes
Right to due process 7% 37 votes
Right to trial by jury 5% 25 votes

AZTOY
February 11, 2003, 06:44 PM
Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?
Freedom of religion 17% 108 votes
Freedom of speech 34% 214 votes
Right to bear arms 38% 236 votes :D
Right to due process 6% 39 votes
Right to trial by jury 4% 25 votes


Total: Total Votes: 622

gryphon
February 11, 2003, 06:52 PM
Results as of my post:

Freedom of religion 17% 119 votes
Freedom of speech 33% 231 votes
Right to bear arms 39% 266 votes
Right to due process 7% 45 votes
Right to trial by jury 4% 29 votes

Gary H
February 11, 2003, 06:56 PM
Take word of this poll to other boards. 1911 already is aware.

OF
February 11, 2003, 07:24 PM
Lose your guns, and you can kiss everything else goodbye.

- Gabe


Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?

Freedom of religion 17% 139 votes
Freedom of speech 31% 261 votes
Right to bear arms 40% 332 votes
Right to due process 7% 57 votes
Right to trial by jury 5% 42 votes


Total: Total Votes: 831

Pheonix
February 11, 2003, 07:35 PM
We are at 41%:D

JeepDriver
February 11, 2003, 07:59 PM
43% Right to Keep and bear arms
31% Freedom of Speech

Matthew Courtney
February 11, 2003, 08:02 PM
43 %

It doesn't mean jack if we could all be made felons without due process or jury trials. What if there was no press to report gun confiscation, wouldn't the 2nd follow the first in a rapid demise? Praying is a felony, we can disarm chistians, jews, and muslims now.

We need them all. I just wish all the newspaper folks and all other people who put their favored right first realized that. The NRA does. The NRA has filed more suits on 1st amendment issues than they have 2nd amendment issues. The next time some liberal calls the NRA the gun lobby, Mention that!

4thHorseman
February 11, 2003, 08:13 PM
I wonder if the 2nd won if they would post it?

Arkady
February 11, 2003, 08:28 PM
47%

I voted the Second simply because it protects the rest. I'll be interested to see what is done with the results of this poll...

4thHorseman
February 11, 2003, 08:33 PM
Likewise.

blades67
February 11, 2003, 08:36 PM
Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?
Freedom of religion 14% 183 votes
Freedom of speech 29% 366 votes
Right to bear arms 47% 607 votes
Right to due process 6% 72 votes
Right to trial by jury 4% 56 votes

Total: Total Votes: 1,284

I see we're making the poll lean the right way.:D

Schuey2002
February 11, 2003, 08:38 PM
Done... We are at 47% and climbing...:D

Ed N.
February 11, 2003, 08:40 PM
Just voted. Maybe it'll at least persuade 'em to run another "Tales of the Gun" marathon. :)

Hawkeye755
February 11, 2003, 08:59 PM
I just got done voting. The RKBA is still double the next closest one. If the poll keeps going this way it will probably never be seen by anyone except those of us who voted.

Arcli9ht
February 11, 2003, 09:05 PM
Freedom of religion 14% 197 votes
Freedom of speech 28% 407 votes
Right to bear arms 49% 706 votes
Right to due process 5% 77 votes
Right to trial by jury 4% 58 votes

Boo-Yah 49% :)

Standing Wolf
February 11, 2003, 09:17 PM
The Bill of Rights isn't a cafeteria.

4thHorseman
February 11, 2003, 09:18 PM
I hope the Democrats are watching this!

4thHorseman
February 11, 2003, 09:20 PM
Standing Wolf -
"The Bill of Rights isn't a cafeteria."

Excellent point.

m.i.sanders
February 11, 2003, 09:40 PM
Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?
Freedom of religion 13% 208 votes
Freedom of speech 28% 461 votes
Right to bear arms 50% 823 votes
Right to due process 5% 80 votes
Right to trial by jury 4% 61 votes


Total: Total Votes: 1,633

I agree the BoR isn't a cafeteria, but without the 2nd, we can't gurantee the rest.

gwalchmai
February 11, 2003, 09:44 PM
51% at 9:45 EST.

Yohan
February 11, 2003, 09:44 PM
Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?
Freedom of religion 13% 209 votes
Freedom of speech 28% 470 votes
Right to bear arms 51% 843 votes
Right to due process 5% 82 votes
Right to trial by jury 4% 62 votes


Total: Total Votes: 1,666

thumbtack
February 11, 2003, 09:55 PM
Freedom of religion 13% 216 votes
Freedom of speech 28% 483 votes
Right to bear arms 51% 875 votes
Right to due process 5% 83 votes
Right to trial by jury 4% 64 votes


Total: Total Votes: 1,721

Sactown
February 11, 2003, 10:54 PM
Freedom of religion 12% 245 votes
Freedom of speech 27% 553 votes
Right to bear arms 52% 1054 votes
Right to due process 5% 92 votes
Right to trial by jury 4% 72 votes


Total: Total Votes: 2,016


Jus voted.

Drjones
February 11, 2003, 11:41 PM
Freedom of religion 11% 260 votes
Freedom of speech 26% 597 votes
Right to bear arms 55% 1244 votes
Right to due process 4% 101 votes
Right to trial by jury 3% 77 votes


Total: Total Votes: 2,279

:D

Darn, you guys work fast!!!

While I'll admit that I voted for the RKBA, I maintain that there is no one freedom that is most crucial. They are all equally important and to lose one is to lose them all.

You: "I am going to kill you."

Me: *Level my gun at you* "What was that?"


You: "I am going to enslave you"

Me: *Level my gun at you* "What was that?"


You: "I am going to rape your wife"

Me: *Level my gun at you* "What was that?"


You: "I am going to take away your free speech"

Me: *Level my gun at you* "What was that?"

:D

You see, sir, the Second Amendment really does make all the other ones possible, and without the 2A, there simply would not be any other rights, as we would have no way to keep them and defend them from those who would wish to take them from us.

Kcustom45
February 11, 2003, 11:42 PM
Wow I was looking at the first couple post's as the poll was loading and I saw we were at 26-28%. I voted looked and the results and saw 55%. Here is the run down.

Freedom of religion 11% 262 votes
Freedom of speech 26% 600 votes
Right to bear arms 55% 1252 votes
Right to due process 4% 103 votes
Right to trial by jury 3% 77 votes

SASS#23149
February 11, 2003, 11:54 PM
WE'RE IN THE LEAD!!

55 per cent
I'm headed to the SASS Wire with the word.That BB is HUGE!!!

Diesle
February 12, 2003, 12:01 AM
Done.

56%... Some little gremlins inthe system.....!!!! HAHAHA


Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?
Freedom of religion 11% 267 votes
Freedom of speech 26% 612 votes
Right to bear arms 56% 1325 votes
Right to due process 4% 104 votes
Right to trial by jury 3% 79 votes


Total: Total Votes: 2,387

556A2
February 12, 2003, 12:04 AM
Voted, 56% with 1337.

Billll
February 12, 2003, 12:12 AM
Freedom of religion 11% 267 votes Freedom of speech 25% 618 votes Right to bear arms 56% 1365 votes Right to due process 4% 104 votes Right to trial by jury 3% 79 votes
Total: Total Votes: 2,433


44.3% of all statistics are made up on the spot.:D

Arcli9ht
February 12, 2003, 12:14 AM
Being the compsci major that I am, I cant help this

0|_|R L337 5k1LLz 0\/\/N3D D15 P0LL

Back to being normal, anyone know when/if this will be mentioned on the history channel?

/Arcli9ht

Gary H
February 12, 2003, 12:51 AM
Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?
Freedom of religion 11% 273 votes
Freedom of speech 25% 647 votes
Right to bear arms 57% 1485 votes
Right to due process 4% 110 votes
Right to trial by jury 3% 81 votes


Total: Total Votes: 2,596

sm
February 12, 2003, 01:06 AM
Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?
Freedom of religion 10% 275 votes
Freedom of speech 25% 652 votes
Right to bear arms 57% 1514 votes
Right to due process 4% 111 votes
Right to trial by jury 3% 82 votes


Total: Total Votes: 2,634

voilsb
February 12, 2003, 01:28 AM
I saw it first on ar15.com, but here's how it looked when I voted:
Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?
Freedom of religion 10% 278 votes
Freedom of speech 25% 662 votes
Right to bear arms 58% 1545 votes
Right to due process 4% 112 votes
Right to trial by jury 3% 83 votes

Total: Total Votes: 2,680

Duke of Lawnchair
February 12, 2003, 02:02 AM
As of 02/11/03 @ 11:00pm PST.

Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?
Freedom of religion 10% 283 votes
Freedom of speech 25% 672 votes
Right to bear arms 58% 1590 votes
Right to due process 4% 113 votes
Right to trial by jury 3% 84 votes


Total: Total Votes: 2,742

Azrael256
February 12, 2003, 02:12 AM
Go poking around in the archives of these polls. Pretty interesting stuff to be found.

Which side was more responsible for the outbreak of the Civil War?
North 58.0%
South 41.0%

Which branch of the armed forces is the most crucial part of America's military today?
Air Force 37.0%
Army 17.0%
Coast Guard 2.0%
Marines 20.0%
Navy 22.0%

Who was the most evil leader of the 20th century?
Adolf Hitler 60.0%
Saddam Hussein 4.0%
Pol Pot 6.0%
Joseph Stalin 28.0%

There are two polls with the same question:
Should the US have become involved in the Vietnam conflict?
Yes 34.0%
No 65.0%

Yes 72.0%
No 28.0%

Obviously those are VERY different results, which I find most interesting. The first and third polls (that I posted) strike me as interesting as well. Maybe what we were taught in school wasn't the whole story, eh? Something to think/read about.

The best one, IMO, is this:
Which of the following Americans was most responsible for U.S. escalation in Vietnam?

Dwight Eisenhower 4.0%
Lyndon Johnson 61.0%
John F. Kennedy 12.0%
Robert McNamara 13.0%
Richard Nixon 8.0%

Sit down and think long and hard about that one...

firestar
February 12, 2003, 02:23 AM
When I voted:
Freedom of religion 10% 283 votes
Freedom of speech 24% 680 votes
Right to bear arms 58% 1617 votes
Right to due process 4% 114 votes
Right to trial by jury 3%


I think we spiked this poll!:evil:

I voted for the right to keep and bear arms but freedom of speech is at least as important IMHO.

4570Rick
February 12, 2003, 02:34 AM
Right to bear arms 58% 1631 votes :D

Jmurman
February 12, 2003, 05:30 AM
But to lose the Second virtually guarantees the loss of them all, with little recourse for regaining them.

agreed

Greg L
February 12, 2003, 07:50 AM
A morning bump...

Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?
Freedom of religion 9% 301 votes
Freedom of speech 23% 743 votes
Right to bear arms 60% 1920 votes
Right to due process 4% 129 votes
Right to trial by jury 3% 89 votes


Total: Total Votes: 3,182

foghornl
February 12, 2003, 08:03 AM
Right to keep and bear arms had 60% @8:00Am Eastern 2-12-03

My comments on the poll question:

The Second Amendment. "..The right of The People to keep and bear arms Shall Not be infringed." Substitute "individual citizen" for "The People" and there is no question of the intent of this amendment. The Second Amendment protects all the others.

Don't belive that statement? Ask the Russian Citizens under Josef Stalin. Or the Jews under Hitler's Nazi Regime. Ask the survivors of Idi Amin's iron fist rule, or the Cambodians that suffered the despotic 'leadership' of Pol Pot. Does anyone remember the Chinese Tiannemen Square Massacre?

Country Boy
February 12, 2003, 09:18 AM
Right to Bear Arms is at 61% with 2180 votes out of 3553 possible.

NewShooter78
February 12, 2003, 09:31 AM
I love to see a good poll get highjacked!

Carbon_15
February 12, 2003, 10:22 AM
Freedom of religion 9% 354 votes
Freedom of speech 22% 886 votes
Right to bear arms 62% 2453 votes
Right to due process 4% 156 votes
Right to trial by jury 3% 111 votes


Total: Total Votes: 3,960

mec
February 12, 2003, 11:43 AM
I laid this on 'em
"Through-out the 19th and early 20th Centuries, this was regarded as the sine qua non of the Bill of Rights. The Communitarian/Marxist interpretation is a recent development and commentary contemporary with the Constitutional Conventions clearly regarded this and other enumerated rights as belonging to the individual "

mdsteele
February 12, 2003, 11:46 AM
62%:D

mjustice
February 12, 2003, 11:48 AM
I think "our" point has been made:

Freedom of religion 9% 395 votes
Freedom of speech 23% 1012 votes
Right to bear arms 62% 2765 votes
Right to due process 4% 189 votes
Right to trial by jury 3% 133 votes

Keep the votes up!

MJ

Russ
February 12, 2003, 11:57 AM
Still at 62% for RKBA

Nando Aqui
February 12, 2003, 12:07 PM
Done!

Freedom of religion 9% 407 votes
Freedom of speech 23% 1046 votes
Right to bear arms 61% 2848 votes
Right to due process 4% 194 votes
Right to trial by jury 3% 137 votes

Up to 2848 votes and down to 61% because Freedom of Speech is up - and that's OK also.

Alex

King
February 12, 2003, 12:40 PM
done!!!

Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?
Freedom of religion 9% 430 votes
Freedom of speech 23% 1110 votes
Right to bear arms 61% 3005 votes
Right to due process 4% 206 votes
Right to trial by jury 3% 146 votes


Total: Total Votes: 4,897

11:35am CST 2/12/03

Leatherneck
February 12, 2003, 12:52 PM
Apparently, we RKBA supporters are dedicated voters!
Freedom of religion 9% 435 votes
Freedom of speech 23% 1130 votes
Right to bear arms 61% 3059 votes
Right to due process 4% 211 votes
Right to trial by jury 3% 147 votes

Total: Total Votes: 4,982
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Invisible Swordsman
February 12, 2003, 12:59 PM
Done. 68%

KMKeller
February 12, 2003, 01:03 PM
Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?
Freedom of religion 9% 444 votes
Freedom of speech 23% 1150 votes
Right to bear arms 61% 3123 votes
Right to due process 4% 217 votes
Right to trial by jury 3% 150 votes


Total: Total Votes: 5,084

Looking good!

cordex
February 12, 2003, 01:16 PM
Freedom of religion 9% 455 votes
Freedom of speech 23% 1178 votes
Right to bear arms 61% 3179 votes
Right to due process 4% 220 votes
Right to trial by jury 3% 153 votes

Total Votes: 5,185

CZ-75
February 12, 2003, 01:21 PM
Dwight Eisenhower 4.0%
Lyndon Johnson 61.0%
John F. Kennedy 12.0%
Robert McNamara 13.0%
Richard Nixon 8.0%


Bob McNamara who? ;)

JFK? He was our second elected saint after Abe Lincoln. Couldn't have been him that escalated 'Nam by sending in "advisors" (on McNamara's advice, no doubt).

jmbg29
February 12, 2003, 01:28 PM
Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?
Freedom of religion 9% 464 votes
Freedom of speech 23% 1198 votes
Right to bear arms 61% 3226 votes
Right to due process 4% 224 votes
Right to trial by jury 3% 155 votes


Total: Total Votes: 5,267

dairycreek
February 12, 2003, 01:33 PM
I think we're gaining ground. Good shooting;)



Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?
Freedom of religion 9% 464 votes
Freedom of speech 23% 1200 votes
Right to bear arms 61% 3230 votes
Right to due process 4% 226 votes
Right to trial by jury 3% 155 votes


Total: Total Votes: 5,275

Ebbtide
February 12, 2003, 02:42 PM
The Second Amendment protects all the others.

Then what protects the Second Amendment?

Although i voted to "fix" the poll, Freedom of Speech allows us to live more democratically than the others. Without it, we would all be sheeple.

If you can't freely talk about oppression, how can you fix it?

Ed N.
February 12, 2003, 03:06 PM
"Then what protects the Second Amendment?

Although i voted to "fix" the poll, Freedom of Speech allows us to live more democratically than the others. Without it, we would all be sheeple.

If you can't freely talk about oppression, how can you fix it?"
=============================================


Sorry to disagree, but consider which of the following carries more weight:

"Let me have my gun or I'll talk, complain, and call you dirty names."

- or -

"Let me talk or I'll shoot you."

When the people are armed, they have rights. When they are unarmed, they have privileges.

4thHorseman
February 12, 2003, 05:38 PM
"Then what protects the Second Amendment?" - ehenz

It is all of our duty to take our government back from the control of tyrants if neccessary.

CZ-75
February 12, 2003, 05:48 PM
Then what protects the Second Amendment?

Guns in the hands of citizens.

The 1st amendment is more frequently used and is the avenue of first results, but it is certainly hard to talk or write when the government sticks a gun in your mouth and places you in restraints.

pytron
February 12, 2003, 05:56 PM
Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?
Freedom of religion 8% 602 votes
Freedom of speech 23% 1655 votes
Right to bear arms 62% 4491 votes
Right to due process 4% 322 votes
Right to trial by jury 3% 201 votes


Total: Total Votes: 7,271

twoballcane
February 12, 2003, 09:08 PM
up to 63% with 5586 yes votes at 8:05pm CST

GhostShooter
February 12, 2003, 10:41 PM
Freedom of religion 8% 721 votes
Freedom of speech 22% 2057 votes
Right to bear arms 64% 6058 votes
Right to due process 4% 415 votes
Right to trial by jury 3% 254 votes


Total: Total Votes: 9,505

As of 10:40 EST


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Kentucky Rifle
February 13, 2003, 10:01 AM
Poll still open. We're at 67%

KR

Ebbtide
February 13, 2003, 10:04 AM
Then what protects the Second Amendment?

Guns in the hands of citizens.

In theory, but in my 37 years I have not heard of anyone protecting their eroding RKBA using "The 1st the avenue of first results" except for perhaps Randy Weaver, and we all know who won that one.

Talk is cheap, and I guess that is why we use it more often as an avenue of first result. After all, when was the last time Sarah Brady was shot for taking taking away our abilty to live democratically.

There are many democratic counties that do not allow its citizens the right to bear arms and they seem to thrive just fine. Take away their right to free speech I think we would see a different result.

ehenz

OF
February 13, 2003, 10:09 AM
There are many democratic counties that do not allow its citizens the right to bear arms and they seem to thrive just fine.In the short term, they certainly may, but history has something to say about the long-term, and it ain't pretty.

- Gabe

Ebbtide
February 13, 2003, 10:29 AM
In the short term, they certainly may, but history has something to say about the long-term, and it ain't pretty.

It is not as if the U.S. has anything more than a "short term" history and no recently proven track record or an event that would indicate that the RKBA has been usefull at maintaining our democracy.

Based on how far our gun rights have erroded thus far, we are not far (my lifetime I'm sure) from a "gun free society". The one thing about being in a monority (gun owners) in a democratic society is that the minority usually loses.

If the RKBA was more important to a democratic society than any other rights why is it so hard to get my hands on the guns I want?

Before I get flammed to death, RKBA is my high priority because I don't see my freedom of speech (or other freedoms) going anywhere soon. I do agree that when the SHTF our RKBA will be relied upon to get our country back to where it belongs. I just hope by that time it is not too late.

Edited to add:

I can prove I am right, if RKBA was more important to democracy it would be called The First Admendment :D

1badmagnum
February 13, 2003, 12:23 PM
guess alot of us gun owners watch the history channel lol.
kicking butt and taking names.

2-13-03 12:22 eastern time

Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?
Freedom of religion 7% 922 votes
Freedom of speech 20% 2599 votes
Right to bear arms 67% 8884 votes
Right to due process 4% 498 votes
Right to trial by jury 2% 313 votes


Total: Total Votes: 13,216

Schuey2002
February 14, 2003, 01:12 PM
BTT- :what:

Phyphor
February 14, 2003, 10:37 PM
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Er, in English, we won. :D

King
February 14, 2003, 10:50 PM
In other words.........


Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?
Freedom of religion 8% 1673 votes
Freedom of speech 21% 4672 votes
Right to bear arms 65% 14576 votes
Right to due process 4% 873 votes
Right to trial by jury 2% 508 votes


Total: Total Votes: 22,302


9:45PM CST 2/14/03.........

Wonder what they will do with this poll???? Send it to Sarah Brady?







:) :)

Marshall
February 14, 2003, 11:09 PM
Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?
Freedom of religion 7% 1676 votes
Freedom of speech 21% 4688 votes
Right to bear arms 65% 14611 votes
Right to due process 4% 876 votes
Right to trial by jury 2% 508 votes


Total: Total Votes: 22,359

YEAH!!! :D

happy old sailor
February 15, 2003, 01:31 AM
not originally by me, but: the 2nd makes the rest of them possible

Col. Mustard
February 15, 2003, 09:37 PM
I can prove I am right, if RKBA was more important to democracy it would be called The First Admendment

Perhaps not. Back in 1789, when the BOR was sent to the states for ratification, there were twelve amendments. The first two amendments were not ratified at the time (one later became the 27th Amendment, regarding Congress voting itself pay raises); what we now know as the First Amendment was, at the time, the Third. So it seems likely that Madison did not attempt to place any importance on the order of the amendments.

AZTOY
February 15, 2003, 10:04 PM
You got to look at the history channel forum. The sheep do not understand why 2nd Amendment is winning:D :neener:

http://boards.historychannel.com/forum.jsp?forum=102 :evil:

MessedUpMike
February 15, 2003, 10:51 PM
Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?
Freedom of religion 8% 1959 votes
Freedom of speech 22% 5506 votes
Right to bear arms 64% 15854 votes
Right to due process 4% 1017 votes
Right to trial by jury 2% 582 votes


Total: Total Votes: 24,918

22:48 EST, Anyone ready for the "re-count"?

PATH
February 16, 2003, 11:45 AM
We are dpwn tp 63%. Please go vote if you have not done so already!

NIGHTWATCH
February 16, 2003, 12:11 PM
63% :D

Blackhawk
February 16, 2003, 12:25 PM
Vote at http://www.historychannel.com/

Fly320s
February 16, 2003, 01:29 PM
Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?
Freedom of religion 8% 2048 votes
Freedom of speech 23% 5864 votes
Right to bear arms 63% 16398 votes
Right to due process 4% 1073 votes
Right to trial by jury 2% 616 votes


Total: Total Votes: 25,999

As of 2-16-03 1326EST

deanf
February 17, 2003, 05:17 PM
Has anybody been to their discussion boards about the poll? Boy, sure are a lot of people there who are shocked, SHOCKED! that the 2nd Amendment gets such a high rating.

MitchSchaft
February 17, 2003, 05:55 PM
Damn, we went down to 61%

alan
February 17, 2003, 06:10 PM
Voted a moment ago, Right to arms stood at over 18.000 and 61%

Blackhawk
February 17, 2003, 06:18 PM
Which right or freedom is most crucial to America's democratic way of life?
Freedom of religion 8% 2469 votes
Freedom of speech 24% 7165 votes
Right to bear arms 61% 18194 votes
Right to due process 4% 1321 votes
Right to trial by jury 2% 730 votes


Total: Total Votes: 29,879
I think the folks at THC are dumbfounded at the number of responses to this poll.

As deanf said, the forum on this poll is amazing. The 2A advocates are handily handing the antis their heads, IMO.

All in all, there have a bunch of pro and con 2A zealots hammering this poll pretty hard.

If you haven't (and even if you have) already gone there to vote, go there now, and vote for the Right to bear arms, which protects all of our other rights and freedoms. It's at http://www.historychannel.com/, lower left.... :neener:

Matthew Courtney
February 17, 2003, 06:27 PM
:) :) :) :)

Blackhawk
February 17, 2003, 06:33 PM
What are you talking about, Matthew? :confused:

Gary H
February 17, 2003, 06:46 PM
ANYONE WHO VOTED FOR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS IS IGNORANT

Yup, first thread I found on History Channel's discussion. Looks like you have been responding.:

"Wow. I knew the history channel had really concervative people who visited the sight, but I didnt realize how concervative! I am amazed by how amazing ignorant 65% of you are. Without speech and a need for freedom of speech there wouldn't be a constitution at all. To all those clutching there guns waiting for the next terrorist attack: disarm! You want Saddam to get rid of his weapons? Get rid of yours. Guns kill and do nothing more. It's that simple. Get rid of guns and that right to have guns and this nation will be a much safer place."

http://boards.historychannel.com/threadedout.jsp?forum=102&thread=5871

Blackhawk
February 17, 2003, 06:53 PM
It always amuses me when people who can't spell or use pronouns correctly call other people ignorant.... :rolleyes:

trapshooter
February 17, 2003, 06:57 PM
What amuses me is thier willingness to demonstrate more ignorance than they accuse others of having.;)

Blackhawk
February 17, 2003, 06:59 PM
Looks like you have been respondingIf that's directed at me Gary, tain't so. I haven't responded on THC, but I did read some of the posts there.

There are a great number of gun owners who have common perspectives due to the lies and disinformation about our American rights and freedoms. Vetting those lies isn't anything new to them, and I'm thrilled at the number of articulate responses showing up there.

Gary H
February 17, 2003, 07:04 PM
I just noted that some folks stepped up to the plate and responded. At least one of them was from this board. In fact, he invited them over..

alan
February 17, 2003, 07:21 PM
Gary H:

Does your abode sport a sign reading something to the effect of "This being an arms free zone, we live in the hope that nasty people do not pass near by, but especially that they do not stop".

Many years ago, I lived in your neck of the woods. Your theories didn't make sense to me then, and they don't now either. It is, of course, your choice to make. Would you allow others the same courtesy? I find myself curious as to the answer.

RSVP

Matthew Courtney
February 17, 2003, 08:25 PM
Alan,

I believe Gary was posting a quote from the History Channel discussion board, not disparaging gun owners himself.

Matthew

MessedUpMike
February 17, 2003, 08:27 PM
I was thrilled to see a number of well thought out, articulate pro 2A responses posted instead of the usual "Cold Dead Fingers" partyline drek that we sometimes unleash in moments of poor wording.

Gary H
February 17, 2003, 09:33 PM
Alan:

I found the quote above to be rather instructive. Many people have a simple view of gun ownership as per the left leaning media. Unfortunately, many of those that feel their way through life can not be swayed by facts. That quote was from an anti on the History Channel's discussion forum. Calling this person an anti is probably an overstatement. This was probably the first time this person had given this topic any thought whatsoever. Sorry for the confusion. I'm on your side..:D

Kcustom45
February 21, 2003, 12:18 AM
Just to let everyone know we ended up with:
Freedom of religion 8.0%
Freedom of speech 24.0%
Right to bear arms 60.0%
Right to due process 4.0%
Right to trial by jury 2.0%

Seawolf
February 21, 2003, 12:22 AM
New poll question is important too.....
Where should the greater legislative power lie in the United States?
Currently we're at:
With state governments 35% 1531 votes
With the federal government 22% 944 votes
Equal balance between state and federal 43% 1844 votes

I'd say state governments :D

Sactown
February 21, 2003, 12:26 AM
Living in **********, I'd have to say federal government.

seeker_two
February 21, 2003, 11:17 AM
Constitution put the greater power w/ the state government. It was only later (Civil War era) that the Feds eroded that--to everyone's detriment.

Of course, California wasn't a part of the union when the Constitution--else the phrase "except for California" would be everywhere...:evil:

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