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UltimaSE
June 6, 2004, 05:20 AM
I've just learned that I've recieved admission for a professional school and I'll be moving from California to Pennsylvania within the month. I've lived in California all my life, and I admit I'm a bit scared of this move. But we do what we must do, and this is where I want to be.

I was wondering if I could ask some questions regarding some concerns of mine.

I was wondering if I need to do anything in this relocation regarding my ownership of my firearms. Anything California related? And anything Pennsylvania related?

I've also been able to start looking into the possibility of obtaining a ccw. I realize now that if I had taken the opportunity to apply to florida 3-4 months ago I could have recieved my ccw by now and had it throughout my trip. However, at this point it seems that, that will not be a possibility.

I was curious if anyone here has had any experience with the ccw application process in Pennsylvania, Montgomery county. I was also curious if anyone has had any experience in applying for a non-resident Florida ccw. Any information would be appreciated.

UltimaSE

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Jim March
June 6, 2004, 05:26 AM
Well I can assure you that California doesn't give a dang if you LEAVE with guns.

The only possible "gotcha" is if you have guns federally declared "Assault Weapons"...there's some sort of transfer rule...anybody remember details? If not I have a friend who knows.

If you're going to be in California for a little while, the easiest out-of-state permit to get that has wide reciprocity is the Utah permit. Go look up Penn's rules on packing.org, see if they like the Utah card. If so, and if you're gonna be here another month or two, score Utah. Instructors in Calif are easy to find, there's over 50 Utah-authorized trainers in California, listed on the Utah website for such matters. PM me for more details if it looks like that will help.

UltimaSE
June 6, 2004, 05:38 AM
Nope no "assault weapons" here, I do have a polytech waiting for me when I get to penn though, thankfully I don't have to worry about that mag problem and the flash hider any more...

I realize though I think once I leave I can't bring back my delta elite since I technically purchased it before the california drop test came into effect. I guess if I ever come back I'll have to worry about that.

Unfortunately time is very short, I'll be leaving within a two weeks. Like I said, I wish I spent some more time getting ready for everything, but the last few months have been a blur. I'd be thankful if you could send me the information of Utah-authorized trainers as I have taken a class locally, and I'm curious if it's on the list.

Thank you,
UltimaSE

The_Antibubba
June 6, 2004, 06:02 AM
Just make sure to write. We always look forward to getting letters from America.


;)

rms/pa
June 6, 2004, 08:25 AM
welcome to my home,

while i cannot claim any knowledge of montgomry co, the state itself is gun friendly. no registration ( the PA state police may be running a new purchase registry illegaly), own darn near anything you like(nfa or class3 needs some sign offs). for CCW you will need a 90 day residency in some countys.

if you think of PA as 3 states, phila,pittsbg, and a T shaped alabama in the middle you won't be too far off.

rms/pa

ps: open carry is legal but impractical, unless in state game lands or forest.
get some good maps of your area there are game lands and forests tucked into small places all over the state.

Dave Markowitz
June 6, 2004, 08:55 AM
The only possible "gotcha" is if you have guns federally declared "Assault Weapons"...there's some sort of transfer rule...anybody remember details? If not I have a friend who knows.

Jim, notifying the Feds is not required for "assault weapons," which are defined by the 1994 AWB, it only applies to items covered by the National Firearms Act of 1934.

UltimaSE, welcome to the USA! PA is one of the best states to be a gunowner in.

UltimaSE
June 6, 2004, 03:36 PM
So I guess so far it seems like in this move I won't have to worry about relocating my "stuff" from california to penn. Great news as I'm pretty behind packing right now already.

If possible I would like to hear some more experiences about living in Penn and possibly more experiences in obtaining a ccw license in montgomery or surrounding areas as I've gone through the 36 pages of results from searching about pennsylvania. Like I mentioned I've lived in california my entire life and I'm a bit apprehensive of the move.

Thank you again,
UltimaSE

Gunsnrovers
June 6, 2004, 03:55 PM
"I realize though I think once I leave I can't bring back my delta elite since I technically purchased it before the california drop test came into effect. I guess if I ever come back I'll have to worry about that"

You can bring a privately owned pistol in the PRK that is not on the "approved drop test list". FFL's can't sell them to PRK residents, but you can bring one in if it's yours.

Good luck with school.

iamhistory
June 6, 2004, 06:30 PM
Enjoy your move, buy, shoot and carry firearms as much as you like and remember this tip from a life long Pennsylvanian....................................

All though PA is for now a pretty gun friendly state.......things are changing and there is a war being waged within our borders. NEVER NEVER NEVER vote for Ed Rendell.

Rabid anti-gun, high taxes, lying, weasle, piece of crap, liberal. And yes, I do mean piece of crap. I met the man, I debated the man (gun control) and he is nothing more than a career liberal politician and all the negatives that go along with that label.

AK103K
June 6, 2004, 07:42 PM
PA is a "shall issue" state. You just need to go the courthouse and apply at the Sheriffs office. Fill out the form, pay your fee(about $20) and if you check out, you will have your permit in 45 days or less. In addition to proof that you live here,(probably best to get your DL first) you will need two references(not at your address or the same address) with their names, physical address,(no PO Boxes) and phone numbers, so you may want to have them lined up and all their info with you or you will have to come back. Some county's require a couple of passport photos, some dont. I live in Bucks County, one over from Montgomery, and they just use the pic from your drivers license. The upper end of Montgomery County is very different than the lower end which is basically Philadelphia. The upper end is still pretty rural in spots but thats changing quickly. Berks, parts of Chester and Upper Bucks and Lehigh Counties are nicer if you like the rural areas and still need to be close enough to the city.

Standing Wolf
June 6, 2004, 08:31 PM
You're going to love life in the United States, although snow is going to be a surprise.

UltimaSE
June 6, 2004, 08:39 PM
Ah the joys of moving, I just realized I don't even have a clue right now on how to even get my driver's license registered in penn, lots of reading to do. Never had to worry about that thus far...

I'll probably spend this coming week trying to chase down the two instructors that taught a firearms course that I took a few years ago so I can get their contact information and maybe a letter of reference. And I just realized that I do infact have some references in Penn.

It's actually kind of funny, my gf's requirements for me getting my ccw license is going to be tougher than the state's as she wants me to take additional classes that are geared towards ccw.

Oh and snow, I've been out to penn when it was snowing before. First day was wonderous, and beautiful. Second day more of the same, but a bit painful because I fell. Third day it started to get on my nerves. Fourth day I had enough. And now I moving there to so I can deal with the snow every year! oh boy oh boy, this is going to be interesting.

UltimaSE

AK103K
June 6, 2004, 08:55 PM
Try here for your drivers license info.

http://www.dot3.state.pa.us/new_residents/index.shtml

Myself
June 6, 2004, 10:08 PM
Do you know where in Montgomery county you will be living?

I will second the thought that Northern and Western Montgomery are more rural and of a differen't character, though all of SE PA is filling in rapidly.

Montgomery County also requires a check with your local police department. I do not know what happens when you have not lived here for long. Each County has slightly differen't procedures for clearing a CCW.

Good luck and welcome to PA.

JackC
June 6, 2004, 10:43 PM
I live in Bucks County, right next to Montgomery, Your County seat will be Norristown, not the best that P.a. has to offer, but a real pretty court house. Parking there is a real problem, sugest that you look into getting your permit at a satillite county hall if possible. As to the driving lic, there are PennDot centers all over the state, just go to the closest one, bay your money, get your picture taken, and walk out with a P.a. Drivers lic. Go to the State web site for info on locations.
Think it's www.state.pa.us or something. Do a google for Pennsylvania to find it.
Montgomery County is a nice area, try to get to the north end of the county if possible, farther from Philly is better.
Jack

Racerxadam
June 6, 2004, 11:23 PM
ps: open carry is legal but impractical, unless in state game lands or forest.

hmmm, I didn't know open carry was legal. Have any links?

45Badger
June 6, 2004, 11:42 PM
Welcome to PA!

I think there used to be road signs when you crossed over from NJ, "Welcome to Pennsylvania. America starts here".

Very gun and hunter friendly.

If you can expedite your move, I think there's a gun show at Valley Forge next weekend!

RevDisk
June 7, 2004, 12:02 AM
Open carry is legal, as there are no laws specifically banning it. Technically however, the cops can try to nab you on a "brandishing" charge. I don't recommend it. Out in the country, local cops won't care. State Police higher ups are anti gun, most individual Staties are not. Don't carry a concealed weapon in Philly, es ist verboten!

The PSP indeed might be running an illegal registration database. They also refuse to provide any system for out-of-state police to instantly check if a PA CCW is valid. This is the holdup preventing a lot of other states from having retroprocity with the PA CCW. (Ever wonder why a PA CCW is valid in five other states, and none of the border PA?)


My advice, apply for a PA CCW after your 90 day requirement is up. You could drop in early, ask for a form, and ask if they'd accept the paperwork before your 90 day requirement is expired. Worst they can say is "No". Also get a Florida CCW, covers plenty of other states.

http://www.packing.org is your friend.

Check your local ranges, a large number of them offer safety classes.


Oh yea, welcome to Pennsylvania and the United States! Don't be a stranger. Shoot me an email if ya ever want someone else to bring goodies to the range.

P95Carry
June 7, 2004, 12:48 AM
Ultima ... I responded to you on TFL but ..... I'll say again ... if you can manage the diversity of weather - you'll be just fine.

There are (as you are finding out) many folk who will be there to help and support. I am I think too far West to be of any use but .... any of us PA people will be on hand to do what can be done,

You have a welcome awaiting you ...... and hope to perhaps meet up with you Sept 18/19 if the shoot schedule comes off and you can attend..

Best

Mikul
June 7, 2004, 01:26 PM
PA is great for a lot of things, but you'll soon learn why half the population buys their liquor in NJ or MD.

Maybe that's why they're so tough of guns in those states: it's all of the cheap liquor.

Ellery Holt
June 7, 2004, 03:12 PM
Congradulations on your acceptance into the school you wanted, and also on the freedom you will be gaining by leaving **********. Best wishes on your move and new life.

SodiumBenzoate
June 7, 2004, 03:22 PM
Maybe that's why they're so tough of guns in those states: it's all of the cheap liquor.

ROFL

Yeah, don't expect to find booze in the grocery store or anything :p

I like in Bucks County, which has a similar political enviroment, with mostly moderate conservatives and some moderate liberals.

Don't carry a concealed weapon in Philly, es ist verboten!

Not true... Anymore. Not since the General Assembly passed the Uniform Firearms Act, which made it illegal for municipalities to pass their own gun control laws.

jwmoore
June 7, 2004, 03:55 PM
Welcome to MontCo. There's a nice indoor range in Southampton, Bucks County called Classic Pistol (http://www.classicpistol.com).

Don't carry a concealed weapon in Philly, es ist verboten!
Not forbidden with a CCW. However, DO NOT open carry in Philadelphia, as that is forbidden (without a CCW).

~W

SodiumBenzoate
June 7, 2004, 04:06 PM
DO NOT open carry in Philadelphia, as that is forbidden (without a CCW).

It's illegal even with a CCW, state law says that one cannot open carry in a city of the first class. The only city of that size in PA is Philadelphia.

jwmoore
June 7, 2004, 04:31 PM
SodiumBenzoate,

§ 6108. Carrying firearms on public streets or public property in Philadelphia.
No person shall carry a firearm, rifle or shotgun at any time upon the public streets or upon any public property in a city of the first class unless:

1. such person is licensed to carry a firearm; or
2. such person is exempt from licensing under section 6106(b) of this title (relating to firearms not to be carried without a license).
Emphasis is mine.

IANAL, nor do I play one on TV, but I interpret this as it's OK to open carry in a city of the first class (:barf: ) as long as one is "licensed". Regardless, you won't find me doing so.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread. :)

~Wesley

RevDisk
June 7, 2004, 04:45 PM
Not true... Anymore. Not since the General Assembly passed the Uniform Firearms Act, which made it illegal for municipalities to pass their own gun control laws.

Nice! I'll look up the UFA, print it out and highlight the important parts. I had the cardinal mistake of asking a PSP cop about concealed carry. It did confirm in my mind that cops are not lawyers, thus cannot know every law on the books.

Ergo, I will be keep a printout of important gun laws in glovebox. Hope I never need them, but it makes me feel better to know I have 'em handy. :neener:

UltimaSE
June 7, 2004, 09:22 PM
I was also wondering, as mentioned before I have a polytech waiting for me in Indianola, MS. I still need to have it sent to a local ffl in penn and then wait the 48 hours correct? The dealer can't just released it to me when I'm passing through I think...

Right now it looks like I'm going to apply for penn ccw and also florida's ccw. I'm glad it seems that we can carry in the philidelphia area, that was an area of curioucity. Just too bad no reprocity in new york.

Thanks in advance,
UltimaSE

Myself
June 7, 2004, 10:38 PM
You must pick up a handgun in your state of residence. Once you have established your PA residence and ID then you can have the gun shipped to the local FFL of your choice who will handle the transfer for you. Check this out in advance, prices varry a lot.

There is no 48 hour wait in PA. If you pass the PICS background check you can take it with you.

Do you know where in Montgomery County yet?

carp killer
June 7, 2004, 11:38 PM
Make sure to buy as many AW's as your bank account will let you. And send a picture of your new AW's to those liberal socialist hypocrites in the kapitol of **********. Enjoy the rights denigned to the millions of law abiding vassals, in that krappy state.

UltimaSE
July 14, 2004, 03:41 AM
I guess I get to bump this thread up from the dead.

The trip was, interesting, didn't get to stop and sightsee, but I think my gf and myself were both on edge about this huge move for us.

let see highlights from the trip....

The first night in arizona worrying that my gf's turtles were going to be cooked in the early morning sun

and

The second night in new mexico worrying that my gf's turtles were going to freeze....

Guess who got to bring them in, in the middle of the night?

Texas and oklahoma uneventful, now arkansas, how do you guys who live there deal with the insects? We stayed in a hotel that was full of mosquitos, and I even managed to catch a tick. If you're driving through arkansas and you see a hotel called the heritage hotel that has a little AAA sigh on the corner....

So we ended up driving into Tennesse for the night. However, we got to stop at a gas station to get diesel and gas before we left. One of the lights seemed to be flickering, then I realized it wasn't flickering it was actually from the mosquitos and moths bumping into the light. The gas attendant did get a good laugh at my gf's friend going nuts screaming with all the mosquitos and insects. I couldn't stop laughing either, but I was busy swatting them as well. I have to admit, arkansas has sufficiently scared me.

And then kentucky, and ohio where we stopped to see a friend that had moved out there. Rested a few days, and finally finished up the trip to pennsylania.

Once we go to pennsylania we went to see the studio that my gf had agreed to rent while we were still in san diego. I had feared that the place wouldn't be what we had hoped for, and one step into it showed that my fears were well placed. Not very safe in my opinion, and pretty dirty, and for the amount of money, not worth it. Luckly we were able to break the lease without a problem, and were lucky enough to find a place on the outskirts of the philadelphia area. No I didn't get to find a place out in bucks or montgomery county unfortunately so it looks like I'll be filling out the florida non-resident paperwork now.

btw, during the trip, I got to see a lot of uhauls and budget trucks on the side of the road, and at least one uhaul burning a lot of oil, I have to admit I'm impressed with penske, no break downs, a nice turbo to listen to through the trip and nice people.

UltimaSE

sm
July 14, 2004, 04:06 AM
now arkansas, how do you guys who live there deal with the insects?
You mean the skeeter's...that is our State bird. They are supposed to feed on dirty Politician's. We have a lot of those...if you recall one even lived in a big white house in DC for awhile. I dunno, some dirty politician tweaked the bug spray and now the state bird goes after the honest folks.

I am glad you made it safe, and good luck. As one that has made that trip to PA from AR a few times I can appreciate the drive somewhat. Of course I do a straight 16-17 hr dealie.

How did you like the scenery in TN and KY? I was too busy in OH to pay attention , what I did see was nice. I was keeping my eye out for po-po...I had guns in the vehicle.

PA - Folks are great, food is good. I still ain't figured out blue, yellow, red, purple and polka dotted traffic lanes....

Go vist the Amish, heck pull over anywhere and buy the sweet corn and whatever else they have on the side of the road. Want good food- Sheetz- punch in your order in a monitor, and I recommend the subs and pizza oh ...go early on Sunday morning before all the do-nuts are snagged up by the church going folks.

Notheaster's are "interesting". We don't have them in AR...we have tornadoes. NE are like a tornado on with lot of rain....

Someday I will make it back up.

Good luck!

dinosaur
July 14, 2004, 07:30 AM
Why do you need a Fl. CCW? Pa. is about a hundred bucks cheaper and no proof of training.

chetth
July 14, 2004, 08:40 AM
Welcome to PA.

If you are in Philly, you have to go through the police department (not Sherriff) to get your CCW (called a Licence To Carry a Firearm - LTCF) I am unfamiliar with how to do that since I live in Montgomery county just outside Philly. (check www.packing.org) Even Philadelphia is better than PRK and the other commie states though.

Lots of gun shops around and check here... www.valleyforgegunshow.com/ (September 18 & 19, December 18 &19).

Where are you in Philly?


Cheers,
Chetth

41 Redhawk
July 14, 2004, 08:48 AM
In case you don't know, for driver's license take you cali license, your SS card and your birth cert/passport plus your lease and a utility bill with your name and address on it. All that will satisfy both list A and list B requirements. (I just got my license last week). Fortunately for me, I had my PA non-resident CCW prior to my move. The sheriff that issued it simply changed the address and it became a resident permit.

Pilgrim
July 14, 2004, 10:57 AM
The only possible "gotcha" is if you have guns federally declared "Assault Weapons"...there's some sort of transfer rule...anybody remember details? If not I have a friend who knows.

If you have a PDRK defined AW which is registered with the PDRK Department of Justice, you are supposed to tell the Department that you removed the registered AW from the state. When you do that, you cannot return with the AW.

I left with one, but didn't tell DOJ. I figure they deserve to have an out of date database for that day they go looking for them to confiscate. Their database is a mess already dating back to the 1989 Roberti-Roos law when all kinds of non-AWs were registered because the owners and DOJ didn't know any better.

Pilgrim

geekWithA.45
July 14, 2004, 11:29 AM
Welcome to PA!

As other posters have said, it's one of the most gunfriendly states in the NE. I'm not far from montgomery county, flag me when settled, we'll go shooting!

Summary of a real fed/citizen/police interaction I read about:

Fed: Is this handgun registered?
Pennsylvanian: There's no handgun registration in this state.
Fed: Yeah, sure, right, pal. What are you doing with an unregistered handgun?
PA State policeman: The citizen is right. There's no gun registration in PA
Fed: Urk, agh.

junyo
July 14, 2004, 01:05 PM
As a fellow transplantee, welcome. PA's about as gun friendly as it gets.

Random other practical stuff (an ongoing public service for immigrants to PA):
rms/pa had it right, most of PA is Alabama; of the 1950's. Say goodbye to cities and highways; hello to tangled sprawl and the Turnpike. I used to measure travel time at around a minute for every mile; double that in PA. Sadly, not joking. There are places where "you can't get there from here" actually applies. The roads are poorly maintained (esp. compared to CA roads), so be aware, your suspension will need work within a short period of time.

At Pat's it's "a cheese wit'" if you want to sound like a native.

Every cluster of buildings is a township, which makes finding stuff harder than it needs to be; for instance, I could drive a golf ball off my patio and it could land in one of three different townships without leaving the neighborhood. A good map, and using it to locate and associate placenames helps immensely when it comes to quickly gettiing your bearings.

For big purchases, Delaware is tax free; PA residents can buy long guns there with no transfer nonsense.

Beer is sold through 'beer distributors' (beer stores), liquor through state stores, although there are a couple state stores in supermarkets in the Philly area now; I spent a month looking for beer in the grocery store.

Very good hunting and fishing if you're into that sort of thing.

If not, the Philly area is lousy with good restaurants. Try Tango in Bryn Mawr, Kansas City Prime in Manayunk, or if you feel like a drive Federal Grill in Allentown.

There are a lot of "Mawr"s and "Bala"s placenames. Those are Welsh. No, I can't pronouce them correctly. Or the German ones. Or the Indian ones.

SodiumBenzoate
July 14, 2004, 02:20 PM
Welcome to Pennsylvania!

No I didn't get to find a place out in bucks or montgomery county unfortunately so it looks like I'll be filling out the florida non-resident paperwork now.

Why? Just get a PA permit in Philly, they have to give it to you (the state is shall issue, and cities/towns aren't allowed to make their own gun laws). As said, it is much, much cheaper (like 1/5 as much) than the FL permit.

State law also says they can only charge $19, but some counties get away with more by charging "administrative fees".

BTW, the correct pronunciation of Wilkes-Barre is Wilkes Bury, Schuylkill is Skoo-kill, and Philadelphia is Phil-i-delph-ya, not Phil-a-del-fee-a. :p

Be aware that the state police keep record of handgun purchases, in violation of state law. :barf:

UltimaSE
July 14, 2004, 06:02 PM
Lots of things to comment on, bear with me….


I am glad you made it safe, and good luck. As one that has made that trip to PA from AR a few times I can appreciate the drive somewhat. Of course I do a straight 16-17 hr dealie.

How did you like the scenery in TN and KY? I was too busy in OH to pay attention , what I did see was nice. I was keeping my eye out for po-po...I had guns in the vehicle.

PA - Folks are great, food is good. I still ain't figured out blue, yellow, red, purple and polka dotted traffic lanes....


We couldn’t have done that, but then we hit Arkansas and Oklahoma at about 1 am. But since the truck hit a nice speed limiter at 70 mph I’m not sure if it would have been possible either. Any officers reading this, 70 mph is theoretical…..

Tennessee and Kentucky scenery was nice; it’s very very lush on this side of the states. I purchased a valentine one for the trip and it saved me a couple of times in Ohio, but otherwise, like I said the truck had a nice limiter at 70 mph.

I myself haven’t figure out the streets and traffic lights yet.


Why do you need a Fl. CCW? Pa. is about a hundred bucks cheaper and no proof of training.



If you are in Philly, you have to go through the police department (not Sherriff) to get your CCW (called a Licence To Carry a Firearm - LTCF) I am unfamiliar with how to do that since I live in Montgomery county just outside Philly. (check www.packing.org) Even Philadelphia is better than PRK and the other commie states though.


After speaking with one of the contacts on packing.org he mentioned that a non-resident permit from Florida might be easier to obtain than a resident Philadelphia permit. After doing some reading it appears that Philadelphia is one of the harder counties to obtain a permit from. That is also coupled with the fact that they seem to be horribly behind in issuing them. I do plan on applying for a Philadelphia permit but I figured I’d also apply for the Florida permit since it’s applicable here as well. And Florida has quite a few more states that recognize it’s permit so I’ll be free to travel a bit if I would like.


Lots of gun shops around and check here... www.valleyforgegunshow.com/ (September 18 & 19, December 18 &19).

Where are you in Philly?


As soon as I get my driver’s license here I’m going to start looking for a nice ffl that can receive my polytech for me. Then I need to look around for a sig p245. Know any friendly ffls in the northeast Philadelphia area?


In case you don't know, for driver's license take you cali license, your SS card and your birth cert/passport plus your lease and a utility bill with your name and address on it. All that will satisfy both list A and list B requirements. (I just got my license last week). Fortunately for me, I had my PA non-resident CCW prior to my move. The sheriff that issued it simply changed the address and it became a resident permit.


hmm I have everything on that list except for my birth cert and a utility bill. I guess I might have to wait for the first bills to start arriving. I was wondering did you have to surrender your license to obtain the Pennsylvania license?

There it is again, I should have prepared for this earlier, but then I’m not sure if Pennsylvania would have issued me a non-resident ccw since California technically does issue. But a Florida ccw would have been nice as it would have allowed me to carry through some of the trip.


As other posters have said, it's one of the most gunfriendly states in the NE. I'm not far from montgomery county, flag me when settled, we'll go shooting!

Summary of a real fed/citizen/police interaction I read about:

Fed: Is this handgun registered?
Pennsylvanian: There's no handgun registration in this state.
Fed: Yeah, sure, right, pal. What are you doing with an unregistered handgun?
PA State policeman: The citizen is right. There's no gun registration in PA
Fed: Urk, agh.


This sounds nice, but from what I’ve read it seems that Philadelphia county might be running a registration legal or not.


Random other practical stuff (an ongoing public service for immigrants to PA):
rms/pa had it right, most of PA is Alabama; of the 1950's. Say goodbye to cities and highways; hello to tangled sprawl and the Turnpike. I used to measure travel time at around a minute for every mile; double that in PA. Sadly, not joking. There are places where "you can't get there from here" actually applies. The roads are poorly maintained (esp. compared to CA roads), so be aware, your suspension will need work within a short period of time.

At Pat's it's "a cheese wit'" if you want to sound like a native.

Every cluster of buildings is a township, which makes finding stuff harder than it needs to be; for instance, I could drive a golf ball off my patio and it could land in one of three different townships without leaving the neighborhood. A good map, and using it to locate and associate placenames helps immensely when it comes to quickly gettiing your bearings.

For big purchases, Delaware is tax free; PA residents can buy long guns there with no transfer nonsense.

Beer is sold through 'beer distributors' (beer stores), liquor through state stores, although there are a couple state stores in supermarkets in the Philly area now; I spent a month looking for beer in the grocery store.

Very good hunting and fishing if you're into that sort of thing.

If not, the Philly area is lousy with good restaurants. Try Tango in Bryn Mawr, Kansas City Prime in Manayunk, or if you feel like a drive Federal Grill in Allentown.

There are a lot of "Mawr"s and "Bala"s placenames. Those are Welsh. No, I can't pronouce them correctly. Or the German ones. Or the Indian ones.


It’s interesting, it’s very very different from what I’m used to in California, but I’m slowly getting used to it. The roads coupled with this interesting weather we’re having has been interesting, along with the trips to home depot and ikea to satisfy my gf have been trying at times, but it doesn’t seem too bad. This weather isn’t normal is it? Monday and today have been kinda wet…

The townships have been fun as well, I’ve been lucky enough to have a gps through my ipaq that has been worth its weight in gold. I got use from the west coast to here and it’s help immensely with the commute here as well.

It will be a while before we venture out of Pennsylvania but I will definitely keep in mind Delaware.

It seems that area we are in is known for it’s small pubs, but since I don’t drink I don’t find that to be much of a problem.


Why? Just get a PA permit in Philly, they have to give it to you (the state is shall issue, and cities/towns aren't allowed to make their own gun laws). As said, it is much, much cheaper (like 1/5 as much) than the FL permit.

State law also says they can only charge $19, but some counties get away with more by charging "administrative fees".

BTW, the correct pronunciation of Wilkes-Barre is Wilkes Bury, Schuylkill is Skoo-kill, and Philadelphia is Phil-i-delph-ya, not Phil-a-del-fee-a.

Be aware that the state police keep record of handgun purchases, in violation of state law.


Like I mentioned above I had thought that getting a Philadelphia permit would be a lengthy and hard process, but I do intend to give it a shot. But I figured Florida would be more of a sure thing.

Thanks all,
UltimaSE

ken w.
July 14, 2004, 06:11 PM
Even though I'm from New York,I hunt in Pa and go to most of the gun shows in Pa.You have to go to the shows in Harrisburg and Allentown.And your close enough to Ohio to check out Akron and Berea,the Cleveland shows.Gun friendly isn't the word around here,it's the way.

chetth
July 14, 2004, 06:42 PM
The weather has been a bit unusual, Monday was surreal. I can't remember seening rain that hard that long. But thunderstorms are par for the summer.

I you have been to Ikea, you have practically been to my house. If you find a range close to north west Philly (Chestnut Hill, Conshohocken, etc) let me know. I drive out to Chalfont to shoot.

:)

junyo
July 14, 2004, 07:13 PM
I drive out to Chalfont to shoot.
Target World?

nvrquit
July 14, 2004, 07:27 PM
.... has been a bit different and July has been wetter than most, so far.


UltimaSE,

Welcome aboard!:)

Political pitch first: Help us to get rid of Rendell as Governor. Regardless of what he says publically, he supports the DNC mainline stances on firearms. Enough said. Vote!

On ranges, what are you looking for, indoor or outdoor? Let us know and more than a few of us will clue you in on what's available. List your general location and we'll se what we can do.

On gun shows, you won't have to drive far, as right in your proverbial backyard is the Valley Forge Convention Center. A minimum of two medium/large shows per year. You just missed the June show, with the next ones being Sept. 18 &19 and Dec. 18 & 19(strange date coincedence this year?). Harrisburg is somewhat larger and the isles more open(read that as comfortable), but Harrisburg uses a remote parking set-up that is a royal pain in the as@, if you are buying cased ammo or large objects(leave that last one to your imagination). Next Harrisburg show is August 21 & 22. Allentown has shows at the Ag Center and the Expo Center, both being of the medium size variety. Oh yeah, since you're in the "greater" Philly area, don't forget the show over at the National Guard Armory, which is always cramped and in the summer, hot/stuffy, but you never really know what you might find there... sometimes it's really worth the chance.

If you shoot any of the pistol action games(IPSC/USPSA, IDPA, ICORE, Pins, etc.), then we should be able to set you up fairly quickly.

As for the roads, eh! You'll get use to them(as if you really had a choice:D ). Then again, with freeze/thaw cycle and the extremely heavy through traffic, it's a wonder they aren't worse than they usually are..... and you're lucky we still don't have the Blue laws, when Sundays were a real challenge in some areas, should you have wanted to buy anything other than groceries or a meal.

As before, Welcome Aboard!

chetth
July 14, 2004, 08:08 PM
quote:
I drive out to Chalfont to shoot.
Target World?

Yup.

I'm also looking for an outdoor rifle range if you want to get together sometime for either pistol or rifle.

UltimaSE
July 14, 2004, 09:48 PM
On ranges, what are you looking for, indoor or outdoor? Let us know and more than a few of us will clue you in on what's available. List your general location and we'll se what we can do.

On gun shows, you won't have to drive far, as right in your proverbial backyard is the Valley Forge Convention Center. A minimum of two medium/large shows per year. You just missed the June show, with the next ones being Sept. 18 &19 and Dec. 18 & 19(strange date coincedence this year?). Harrisburg is somewhat larger and the isles more open(read that as comfortable), but Harrisburg uses a remote parking set-up that is a royal pain in the as@, if you are buying cased ammo or large objects(leave that last one to your imagination). Next Harrisburg show is August 21 & 22. Allentown has shows at the Ag Center and the Expo Center, both being of the medium size variety. Oh yeah, since you're in the "greater" Philly area, don't forget the show over at the National Guard Armory, which is always cramped and in the summer, hot/stuffy, but you never really know what you might find there... sometimes it's really worth the chance.

If you shoot any of the pistol action games(IPSC/USPSA, IDPA, ICORE, Pins, etc.), then we should be able to set you up fairly quickly.


I’m about 15 minutes north-east from the university of Pennsylvania. I’m pretty new here so I’m not all that sure where technically I am. I think I remember seeing a sign for roxborough on the way out to ikea and home depot.

Most of the ranges in san diego were in door so that’s what I’m used to, however, I did take a class that took place at an outdoor range and I really enjoyed that as well.

How are the gun shows out here? I’d figure the price on ammo is probably the same, but in san diego the shows had more people trying to sell clothes, pokamon cards, and beanie babies than there was people selling firearms. And when you ran across someone that was selling firearms they were horribly over priced. Cheap sigs anywhere? Anyone know of a shop or someone that might be unloading a p245, let me know.

I did shoot quite a bit of idpa while in san diego, ipsc is probably a bit out of my range, icore I’m not familiar with, pins I’ve read about and I wouldn’t mind trying it. My gf might be interested in as well.

Thanks again,
UltimaSE

Mikul
July 15, 2004, 10:50 AM
Pennsylvania DOES have registration of a sort.

You cannot sell a handgun, privately or through an FFL, without going to an FFL and having the document sent to State Police.

You can come to PA with guns and not send the form to the State Police, but that's about the only way around it.

41 Redhawk
July 15, 2004, 01:37 PM
If you have a passport, you will not need your birth cert. They will accept either. They do take your out of state license. (at least they did mine)

Berg01
July 15, 2004, 02:22 PM
PA is a "shall issue" state. You just need to go the courthouse and apply at the Sheriffs office. Fill out the form, pay your fee(about $20) and if you check out, you will have your permit in 45 days or less. In addition to proof that you live here,(probably best to get your DL first) you will need two references(not at your address or the same address) with their names, physical address,(no PO Boxes) and phone numbers, so you may want to have them lined up and all their info with you or you will have to come back. Some county's require a couple of passport photos, some dont. I live in Bucks County, one over from Montgomery, and they just use the pic from your drivers license. The upper end of Montgomery County is very different than the lower end which is basically Philadelphia. The upper end is still pretty rural in spots but thats changing quickly. Berks, parts of Chester and Upper Bucks and Lehigh Counties are nicer if you like the rural areas and still need to be close enough to the city.

I live in Bucks Co., I had my "Pennsylvania License to Carry Firearms" within 2 weeks after I applied for it at the Doylestown Sherrif's office; note that the same license will take 6 months to get if you apply in Philadelphia county.

UltimaSE
July 15, 2004, 02:47 PM
If you have a passport, you will not need your birth cert. They will accept either. They do take your out of state license. (at least they did mine)


Hmmm ok, I’m pretty sure I have my passport, just not sure where it is… So I guess I just need to wait a month or so for the first billing cycle to end so I have a utility bill. I don’t quite understand why you need to surrender your out of state license, I know that it doesn’t do me any good but there’s a bit of sentament in the California license…


I live in Bucks Co., I had my "Pennsylvania License to Carry Firearms" within 2 weeks after I applied for it at the Doylestown Sherrif's office; note that the same license will take 6 months to get if you apply in Philadelphia county.


There’s the sad part, yesterday we drove down the street a bit and found outselves in Montgomery county. But as I understand it where I’m living is in the Philadelphia area so I need to apply through them. I’ve heard that they are a bit more stingy when it comes to handing out licenses even though Pennsylvania is a shall issue state, and that they horribly backed up. Florida seems to take about two months and covers quite a bit of the US. I will probably go down to the courthouse and start the process for one in Philadelphia but it seems like Florida is a must have anyways, and I’m likely to get it sooner.

UltimaSE

41 Redhawk
July 15, 2004, 04:15 PM
Hmmm ok, I’m pretty sure I have my passport, just not sure where it is… So I guess I just need to wait a month or so for the first billing cycle to end so I have a utility bill. I don’t quite understand why you need to surrender your out of state license, I know that it doesn’t do me any good but there’s a bit of sentament in the California license…

I would assume they take it so you won't be tempted use it in some way. Not sure how you could use it but this is goverment we are dealing with.

You probably won't be able to apply for your CCW until you establish residency here in PA.

Bainx
July 15, 2004, 06:16 PM
Congrats on the life-style/survival improvements!

I hear that the deer hunting is fantastic in Penn.:p

UltimaSE
July 15, 2004, 07:55 PM
Thank you Bainx, it's definately a change but we're settling in.


You probably won't be able to apply for your CCW until you establish residency here in PA.


Probably not, and I won't be able to pick up my polytech or a carry until I get a driver's license either. So I guess I should get started on the Florida paperwork, for non-resident ccw, minus well take advantage of the time.

UltimaSE

Bainx
July 15, 2004, 08:18 PM
get started on the Florida paperwork

Very clever indeed!

nvrquit
July 15, 2004, 09:18 PM
... if you're approx. 15 minutes out from Univ. of Penn, depending on what street or blvd., still inside the Philly limits but Montgomery cnty. is just down the street, then you're most likely north of Roosevelt Blvd. , east of Fairmont Park and maybe west of the N.E. Airport.

Hmmm, pretty big chunk of real estate. Too bad you're not in Montgomery Cnty, because as soon as you had established residency, the PA CCW wouldn't have been a problem. The city has to live by the same rules as the rest of the state, though they can take their time in doing so(and do), as well as "assessing" processing fees. Pittsburgh used to think themselves above the rest of the state also, just like Philly. Ah well, keeps us in practice for watching the political rascals.

Anyway, ranges aren't all that far off. Here are some links:

http://www.targetmaster.com/
http://www.targetworldinc.com/
http://www.classicpistol.com/
http://www.pistolpeople.com/site/a002_mainframes.htm
http://www.lowerprovidencerodandgunclub.com/
http://www.doubleaction.org/

These are a good starting point. Targetmaster is over in Chadds Ford along Route 202, a bit of a ride from your location but a nice adventure for a Saturday or Sunday. Target World Inc., is up in Chalfont at Route 202 and County Line Road and again, is a bit of a ride from your location. Classic Pistol is in Southampton off exit 27 of the PA Turnpike and a little closer. Pistol People is over in Bensalem, a little outside of NE Philly, but no Sunday hours(bummer!). Double Action is over in Yeadon in the Yeadon Industrial Park. That leaves Lower Providence Rod & Gun Club out in Audubon, a nice ride out 422. LPRGC is a private club with outdoor ranges but has monthly IDPA matches year round. There are others, which I'm sure fellow PA'ers here on THR will clue you in on.

BTW, if you ever get in a morose mood and wishing for the bad old days of the PRK, just move yourself across the Delaware to PDRNJ(Peoples Democratic Republic of New Jersey), where they're trying very hard to out-do either ********** or Massachusetts.


As an after-thought, does anyone know if Ready Aim fire is still alive over in Bristol?

jwmoore
July 15, 2004, 10:36 PM
Classic Pistol is in Southampton off exit 27 of the PA Turnpike and a little closer.
If you're in the "Great Northeast", don't bother with the turnpike to CP. Take Rt. 232 north through MontCo, cross County Line Rd into Bucks, turn right at the next light (Industrial Blvd.)

CP is a great range. I shoot there frequently. Drop me a line if you want to meet up.

~Wesley

SodiumBenzoate
July 16, 2004, 07:11 PM
Isn't Fobus on the same road as CP?

nvrquit
July 16, 2004, 08:27 PM
jwmoore,

Yeah, if your in the general area, then why bother with a toll road. That's why I provided the link to each range/club. It would've made(IMO) the post much too long to provide directions, considering I really didn't know UltimSE's true origination point.

But hey, that's what the rest of us are here for, isn't it?!? To help out the JANG's on the board?

Anyway, again welcome to the state and perhaps we'll see each other at an IDPA match in the future!

UltimaSE
July 19, 2004, 03:07 PM
Sorry for the late replies, I was bit by something a few days ago that managed to swell to pretty impressive proportions, that put me down for a few days. I was getting pretty close to going to the hospital, but I stuck it out.

It seems I'm very near the maniunk area if that helps any more.

I also have just heard something really troubling. I've been calling around trying to find a police station that would do the fingerprinting for the florida chl since it must be done by a law enforcement officer. First place I called told me to call the belmont barracks, when I called the belmont barracks they told me they no longer do fingerprinting for civilian services and directed me to a passport photo business. Upon calling the licensing division in florida it was reaffirmed that the fingerprinting must be done by a law enforcement officer.

Does anyone have any leads for an office that can do the fingerprinting still?

Thank you,
UltimaSE

nvrquit
July 19, 2004, 05:15 PM
Hmmm, that's a good question.

I would also drop the inquiry over on Packing.org on the PA page to see what anyone over on that board has for suggestions. Here's the link to the Packing .org site:

http://www.packing.org


Just off the top of my head, I'd try the PA State police, since it deals with inter-state reciprocity issues(or there abouts). I used the PA State police when I got my M1 Garand through the old CMP program. No problems, just went over to the local barracks, told them why I required the fingerprinting and they obliged. Worth a shot!

UltimaSE
July 19, 2004, 06:02 PM
Actually the place I talked to was the PA state police, they forwarded me to the passport photo place. After calling about 10-20 nearby departments it seems as though they will only do fingerprinting if you are a township resident etc. All the other departments seem like they outsource their fingerprinting to private citizens, which is a no no.

UltimaSE

UltimaSE
July 19, 2004, 09:34 PM
hmm someone pointed something out to me, I'm going give the sheriffs at chester, montgomery, and bucks county a call. Someone at packing.org mentioned that chester county might be a bit more friendly towards the fingerprinting process. Course if someone knows of an office that's going to be closer than 30 mins from me I'd appreciate it as well.

Meanwhile I'm getting my proof of training in line as well. Then it's the photograph and money order, and finally the waiting.... seems the waiting is about two months...

UltimaSE

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