Very disturbing Wal-Mart trip


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Shield529
June 6, 2004, 08:28 PM
This is my first post here after alot of lurking.


Went to a Wal-mart in Arkansas today and purchased 1 box of .40. As always they request ID. and ask if its for a handgun.
After telling her yes and handing her my ID. the cashier runs my license through to same reader as the credit cards.
Having never seen this done before I asked about this and she replied that Wal-mart likes to know whos buying handgun ammo. and that they turn all the drivers license and purchase info over to the State Police. She stated that as far as she knew they had always done this.
Now I am in law enforcement so I know Arkansas State Police is not collecting this info, and I have never had this done at Wal-mart before.

So I am asked if any of you have experinced this recently, if its just something new they are doing. Or if I just had an isolated nut.
I also had no time to speak to the manager at the time.

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grislyatoms
June 6, 2004, 08:48 PM
Never had anything like that happen at Walmart. Last time I was there and bought ammo was about 6 weeks ago or so.

Barbara
June 6, 2004, 08:49 PM
That is complete bull and I'd be interested in knowing if other stores do it. I just always answer no when they ask me if its handgun ammunition, so I'm not sure.

41mag
June 6, 2004, 08:55 PM
I bought ammo @ Wal Mart today.No questions asked.:confused:

longrifleman
June 6, 2004, 08:55 PM
Bought two boxes of handgun ammo Fri after work at Wally World here in Mo. No new, different and exciting statist bs here.

sm
June 6, 2004, 08:59 PM
Being in AR, first I've heard of it.
Being as I don't do WM and all...

This afternoon a buddy calls , said he was running something down for a FIL. Barrow rd and Geyer Springs WM did NOT ask for ID, what type of weapon or anything... nothing. He bought 3 boxes of 9mm at one and 3 boxes of .45ACP at the other...

Give us the location.
On any given day WM has 200 lawsuits I'm told...what is a little more paperwork...I hate WM anyway...another excuse to write a letter...

Goes way past the "Second Amendment Bigots"...

Maybe China will let them move the home office their and take the rest of that ilk with them...

Mr. Clark
June 6, 2004, 09:28 PM
I've never even been asked for ID when buying ammo at Wal-Mart. Last time was last week, 2 boxes of WWB 9mm.

Maybe it was an attempt at intimidation. "We know who you are, and now the police will too." It could just be to prove that the clerk checked your ID. Maybe they had a problem with that and the auditors came up with the idea to scan IDs. Either way, I'd make a call to a manager.

Can those scanners at the register read anything but credit/debit cards, anyway?

orangeninja
June 6, 2004, 09:33 PM
Just tell 'em its for a carbine. Ruger PC4 or somthing. In Texas some places will do this if you buy alcohol at a club in a dry town. But not with ammo.

P95Carry
June 6, 2004, 09:35 PM
Sounds like significant BS ....... but nonetheless concerning for sure.

I'm too old to get asked for I/D .... and if I do get asked what the ammo is for - I always prove helpful by answering ''both'' .... well .... gotta lot of carbines!:D

CrudeGT
June 6, 2004, 09:44 PM
I'm pretty sure those scanners are only for credit cards. I think she was told a lie by her manager, and relays the information in an attempt to put fear into would be criminals. I've purchased ammo at wallmart a few times, and never even been asked for ID.

Selfdfenz
June 6, 2004, 09:57 PM
I seem to remember last year when I bought my TX hunting license they swipped my DL.

I didn't have problem with that. I buy ammo at 2 WMs. One asks, the other does not usually. They are less than 4 miles apart.

To the best of my knowledge in TX there is no legal requirement for an ammo seller to collect information regarding it's use in a rifle or handgun. What we are most likely dealing with is a company policy. Company policies can be changed IF the customers flex their muscles enough. My guess is WM makes very little profit on G&A but it brings in buyer of the rest of the stuff they sell, hence they carry the common stuff.

You have to think the WM legal department would love to see ammo and firearms dropped. My guess the beans counters have more leverage so there you have it.

S-

Norm357
June 6, 2004, 10:20 PM
I CALL B.S..

firearms_instructor
June 6, 2004, 10:27 PM
Does the Arkansas driver license have a magnetic strip? If so, can you charge ammo with your DL? (just kidding)

Maybe the cashier is an anti and disapproves of people buying ammo.

DMF
June 6, 2004, 10:28 PM
Let's see last time I was at a Walmart in Nebraska, I purchased 400 rounds of 9mm, 200 rounds of .45ACP (gotta love that cheap Winchester Whitebox) and 1100 rounds of .22 LR (also gotta love those cheap Federal Bulk Packs). I was never asked if it was for a handgun, and no one asked for ID until they ran my credit card which has CHECK ID written on the signature strip.

shermacman
June 6, 2004, 10:33 PM
You should move to a gun friendly state like Massachusetts!
My local Wally World's sports department looks at my Class A carry permit but never 'swipe' it, they never asked for my Driver's License.
Several years ago they would ask if ammo was for a pistol or rifle. For boxes of .22lr I would answer "both" and let them sweat out the classification code. I was asked one time about a box of 12 gauge shot gun shells....:rolleyes: I wanted to say "pistol"...

Atticus
June 6, 2004, 10:34 PM
I would have discussion with the Manager FOR SURE.

thumbody
June 6, 2004, 10:36 PM
Alot of the licenses now have the same type of magnetic strip a credit card has. A few weeks ago some people figured out that if they swiped thier dl through the credit card slot on the gas pump at a Meijer station they could fill thier cars at no charge , until Meijer figured out what was going on but Dl info was recorded and now charges do apply (legal charges that is).

lee n. field
June 6, 2004, 10:49 PM
Illinois Walmart, they only ask for the FOID, and record nothing.

WonderNine
June 6, 2004, 11:00 PM
Well if you are in law enforcement, why didn't you tell her that you didn't collect any info like that? I would have. She was probably just making it up or going by what somebody else told her. You missed an opportunity to find out what was really going on or at the least set her straight IMO.

The Walmart here takes the ammo to a front register, other than that they haven't checked my I.D. yet. I mostly buy .22lr value packs and Winchester 9mm 100 round value packs, that's about it. And I get carded in liquor stores and bars all the time....

Don Gwinn
June 6, 2004, 11:09 PM
Lee, not in the central part (Springfield area.) There they usually ask the pistol/rifle question. I don't buy ammo there anymore. It wasn't the question, it was waiting for somebody to show up to take my money when the local shop is glad to do it and I can BS about guns afterward.

Dex Sinister
June 6, 2004, 11:13 PM
And why are you handing her your D/L in the first place? I realize the LE mostly now thinks that "see" means "possess" [i.e., most would be quite annoyed if one pressed one's D/L against the window, rather than physically handing it to them] but that certainly doesn't apply to clerks at WM!

Dex

Jay Kominek
June 6, 2004, 11:46 PM
I had my driver's license (with mag stripe) run trying to get into a strip club, once. They had a little hand held doohicky which read the stripe and displayed the contents on an LCD.
I guess they figure kids making fake IDs can't just go buy mag stripe encoders to go with their laminators and card printers.

Shield529
June 7, 2004, 12:09 AM
A responce to a few of the replies.

I was in a hurry and had my family with me, I just did not have the time to try to educate someone of that mindset.

My LE ID was exposed when I handed her the license so she knew but still tryed her BS.

Yes AR licenses do have the strip on the back but I don't think thier equipment is set up to read it.

I figure she just and anti trying to scare some people out of buying. I will be calling Mgmt. tommorow.

I never did have this come up at this Wal-Mart before.

Thanks for all the responces

LiquidTension
June 7, 2004, 02:02 AM
I always get carded at WM, and they always ask what type of weapon it's for - handgun or rifle. Naturally, I always answer, "subgun." Only one clerk even knew what that was, and his comment was, "if you've got a subgun, you're gonna need more than 2 boxes of ammo."

Treylis
June 7, 2004, 02:02 AM
Ridiculous.

Never had that happen here in Arizona... and the few times I get asked the handgun/rifle question, I always go: "Oh, it's for my submachinegun." ;-)

Firethorn
June 7, 2004, 04:03 AM
It could be a sort of automated 'age check' system. You run a credit-card type device and it calls and gets an age.

We had the driver's license used at the gas-station thing here in north dakota as well. If that works, the readers must be able to decode the magnetic stripes.

I suppose I could give them the riot act if they try that with my military ID. Of course, I don't know if they'll get much beyond a social and expiration date with that.

Waitone
June 7, 2004, 08:52 AM
Most likely nothing but it is worth a conversation with the manager and perhaps a letter to the headshed.

Policy changes are often test driven before being implemented system wide.

griz
June 7, 2004, 08:55 AM
Virginia's DL doesn't have a mag strip.

The last time I bought BB's at Wal Mart the cashier had to answer some question that popped up on the register, presumeably 18 years old? The gray in my beard usually is all the proof of age they require, but BB's? I guess it's the same CYA attitude that keeps them from selling ammo after 10:00 PM.

Hemicuda
June 7, 2004, 09:08 AM
Easy fix... do what I do... scrape the magnetic BS off the back of the license with a knife, or "recharge" it with a strong magnet... either way, there'll be NOTHING there to scan!

Highland Ranger
June 7, 2004, 09:26 AM
In NJ they take down your name and address in some kind of log.

Which is why I buy over the internet, cheaper even with the shipping and no log.

What annoying nonsense.

hillbilly
June 7, 2004, 11:40 AM
I live in Arkansas and I would like to know which Wal-Mart, where?

I buy ammo from Wal-Marts in Fort Smith, Van Buren, Greenwood, and have purchased ammo in many other places around the state.

The most I have been asked is "Is this ammo for a handgun?"

You have to be at least 21 to purchase handgun ammo.

I have never been asked for my DL at any Wal-Mart I have ever bought ammo from.

But I would love to know which Wal-Mart this happened in.

hillbilly

Brrlgrrl
June 7, 2004, 12:57 PM
I just shopped at Wally World Saturday. In Ca no less! It was a very pleasant experience, as the very young man behind the counter did not ask for ID, did not ask what weapon the ammo was for, and he rang up all my other purchases at the sporting goods register so I wouldn't have to wait in line up front!
(In the past, I have been asked age and type of gun.)

Blackcloud6
June 7, 2004, 01:08 PM
I bought one of the Winnie white 100 packs of 9mm about two weeks ago at Wal mart. The guy handed the box to me, I gave him money and then we chatted about 9mm pistols.

SLCDave
June 7, 2004, 01:08 PM
The only time I have ever been asked is when I bought the ammo at the front registers, and not in the sporting goods counter. It's possible that the guys in sporting goods just bypass the question because they know it's B.S., but the 16 year old cashier up front follows every prompt their register gives them.

bshepherd
June 7, 2004, 01:08 PM
In Texas the DL is magnetically encoded. The first thing I do when I get a new DL or CHL is demagnetize it with a little magnet I have for just that purpose. If a LEO needs to swipe it during a traffic stop, (like yesterday coming home from the lake,just a warning nice guy) it wont swipe and he just punches in the numbers or calls them in. A couple of times when I have written a check or something, some store clerk tries to get the info off by swiping, but there is nothing there. Too bad, she can write it down. Those people dont need my info, its on the check.
Ben

Smoke
June 7, 2004, 01:50 PM
We have a little machine here at the bank we used to see if there is a problem with your ATM/Debit card. I swiped my DL thru it, it read the Name and address, nothing else.

I suspect the scanners at your local Wally World are already able to read them. I would not willingly hand my DL to anyone other than LE to scan. Ever hear of identity theft?

Demagnitizing your DL may be a good idea, or better, refuse to hand it to them. If they need to verify your age, they can do that just fine with their eyes. They do not need their grubbly little hand or electronics to get ahold of it.

I've never been asked for it anywhere. I suspect I would make a small scene if it happened. Places ask for your phone number when you walk up...I used to give them a fake, now I just say "None of your business". They never argue.

Don't give them your DL, raise a stink. If it starts now there will be no end.

"Papers please"

Smoke

Jay Kominek
June 7, 2004, 02:17 PM
I used to give them a fake, now I just say "None of your business".
Really, it isn't even necessary to be brusque with them. I just tell them "No" as politely as you can manage to say a single word, and they're ok with that. It isn't the clerk's fault, they're just following the script they've been told to follow if they want to keep their jobs. Not getting your phone number is no sweat of their back.

Demagnitizing one's DL sounds like a good idea on the surface. Are there any non-obvious drawbacks, though?

halvey
June 7, 2004, 02:50 PM
I'd try to pay cash for everything!

ballistic gelatin
June 7, 2004, 04:38 PM
When I worked at Publix, one of the supervisors thought it was funny to make us new guys go shake all the salad dressing, ya' know to make it look fresh. hardyharhar....same scenario.

Firethorn
June 7, 2004, 08:10 PM
Bought a 'mature' game at wally's yesterday

The cashier (only one open at the time), was the smokes one. She needed to punch in my entire birthdate to prove that I was over 16. She said that if they don't do that, the management starts asking them if they're really doing the checks.

MeekandMild
June 7, 2004, 11:55 PM
I never had any trouble with Wally World. In fact I just bought a box of the new Winchester clean shooting .38 JSP from them for 11 bucks. Stuff has a nonlead primer and the bullet has a rear jacket so its really low on the lead vapor. :D

Watchman
June 8, 2004, 12:09 AM
Hey Shield529,

What part of Arkansas are you from ?

sturmruger
June 8, 2004, 03:14 PM
Sounds like some anti that is trying to put the fear of the state into people.

I think the call to her manager will scare her straight.

M1911Owner
June 8, 2004, 03:26 PM
Same experience as Brrlgrrl--Bay Area (Mountain View) ********** store, .45 ACP, rang me up at the ammo counter, didn't ask what it was for, or my age (I'm obviously well over 21, though), or for any ID.

Tom Servo
June 8, 2004, 03:37 PM
I had a similar experience here in Georgia a few weeks back. Young guy behind the counter asked (somewhat conversationally) what I was shooting. I replied, "Sig228," and he got a funny look and said, "Is that a handgun?" The question sounded kind of odd, but I just said, "Sure, why not?" Since he didn't record anything, and he was just checking my ID for age, I didn't think anything of it.

Next time, I'll tell him it's for a Tec-9 and see how he reacts.

rock jock
June 8, 2004, 05:09 PM
I rarely patronized Walmart in the past and after reading the following article may very well never do so again.

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html

armoredman
June 8, 2004, 05:18 PM
Asked local Wally World if they carried 7.62x54R. They said no, what's that for? Hull and coax machine guns for my T34 Medium Tank.....hey, if they're dumb enough to buy that....think of all that swampland!:cool:

Bravo11
June 8, 2004, 05:48 PM
I purchase ammo at WM all the time, in Arkansas and I've never had them swipe my DL. It might be a test store. They seem to question if the ammo is for a handgun and ask if you are 18 more at the front checkouts but I've never been carded. Try buying two boxes of .22 ammo and when asked if it is for a handgun say "This one is but not this one" watch the look on their faces.:D

yy
June 8, 2004, 06:08 PM
here's more data:

I bought a white box of 100 rds of Winchester .40 s&wlast weekend from WalMart of Cerritos, CA. No questions asked. (paid for it with my credit card that has my photo on it).

I also bought some miscellaneous stuff with the ammo. in case this makes a difference. Then I went back in and bought facial tissues.

Andrew Rothman
June 8, 2004, 06:42 PM
Those magnetic stripe card readers all use the same hardware. A credit card, a debit card, an ID badge or a driver's license all have the stripe in the same place.

It's only a matter of programming.

Drivers licenses with mag strips contain all of the information printed on the card (and then some, most likely).

In Minnesota, many liquor stores swipe customer licenses to prove they checked age.

There are privacy issues here.

Hypothetically, if you accidentally put your license too close to a strong magnet (such as a "rare earth" magnet), a bulk demagnetizer (used to "wipe" audio or video tapes) or even those black pads at the checkout that say, "Do not place credit card here," you could, hypothetically, accidentally, inadvertently erase the data stored there.

Hypothetically. :)

M1911Owner
June 8, 2004, 08:45 PM
I'm wondering what the practical ramifications of a demagnitized DL might be. I doubt that there would be any legal issues. ("Damn, I told that lady at Neiman Marcuss not to set my wallet down there.") (Or, "I told that TSA moron not to set my wallet on top of the X-ray machine." (That happened to a friend of mine. They set his floppy disk on top of the machine, which erased it. No X-rays outside the machine, but a powerful magnetic field.)) (Or, "I guess I got too close to the Apogees. :D")

But, what else might be a problem?

It seems to me that they swiped my DL the last time I rented a car. They might not let you rent a car if your DL isn't readable.

Other than that, I can't think of any problems that that might cause.

Shield529
June 9, 2004, 12:15 AM
To those who asked. The Wal-Mart was the Bryant Supercenter.
The manager I spoke to stated he knew nothing about the State Police comment she made. But stated it was to keep a record of handgun ammo purchases. He stated if I refused to let them swipe, they could not sell the ammo.

That being said it may cost more but my money is going elsewhere

SASS#23149
June 9, 2004, 02:20 AM
BALDERDASH!!
They wouln't need to swipe dl's to track ammo sales in general,,,their computers/cash registers do that already!!
Now,if they wanted to track sales to individuals.................
If my WM tries it,I'm outta there and the post about it will go here first ...then every other board I visit.!!

sm
June 9, 2004, 02:35 AM
I know that store, I at one time lived in Bryant.
I moved before the WM was built.
Shopped at Foster's...
I guess the last WM I went in was that one. Mom wanted to eat at Cracker Barrel [ we still to there often]. She really needed to go into WM to get a toy for a grandkid..I bit my lip and took her.

I bought 5 boxes of .45ACP and 5 Bulk packs of Fed shotgun ammo. I was not carded, I was not ask for what they were to be used in. I was not escorted up front to pay or anything.

Something to do while waiting for the toy to come out of the back room.

I really liked that little town when I first built a new house ....it changed, I know WM affected this.

If "Bucks & Ducks" is still down there...nice folks, reloading supplies, hunting gear, boots, archery. I'd buy ammo from them.

Lobotomy Boy
June 9, 2004, 10:15 AM
I had a very strange experience at Fleet Farm in Brooklyn Park, MN, last Wednesday. I was going to visit my brother-in-law in Montana. He's got a nice range set up on his property and I bought mayby 1000 rounds of ammo in .45 ACP, .38 special, and .357 magnum calibers. I spent quite a long time in the store because I was shopping for a pair of hiking boots for the trip. When I left, there was a city cop waiting in the parking lot. I was riding with a co-worker, and as soon as we took off, the cop started following us. Instead of going to the main road, we drove down the frontage road alongside the main road, Hennipen County 81, because we were going to WalMart to pick up 9mm ammo. I went there because I wanted some WWB Value Pack, which is not offered at Fleet Farm. The cop followed us down the frontage road, which made no sense at all. Then the SOB followed us into the WalMart parking lot. We parked and he parked. We got out of our car and he got out of our car. He watched us and we watched him. I stopped and stared at him to see if he'd say anything. I seriously wanted to know what his problem was. After a bit, he started to get uncomfortable and walked over to a soda machine, as if he'd gone to all this trouble to get a can of Coke, and of course WalMart soda machines have the very best Coke.

I've never been a conspiracy theorist, but I'm really starting to get paranoid. Listening to Ashcroft testify before a congressional panel yesterday, I realized that the man is not playing with a full deck, and that he firmly believes the executive branch is beyond the rule of law. There's no way these lunatics can win re-election. Ashcroft will be lucky if he doesn't do time for contempt of congress. I'm not convinced that sometime between now and November these delusional whackos won't trump up a terrorist attack and declare martial law, suspending all elections. The first thing they will do is confiscate all privately held weapons. I know this is far-fetched, but this recent increased monitoring of who is purchasing ammunition would fit in with this wild scenario. I'm not saying I believe this is going to happen, but I'm increasingly starting to believe that the framework for such a situation is being put in place.

I hope and pray that I am completely off base here, and I probably am, but something very, very disturbing is taking place.

shermacman
June 9, 2004, 10:58 AM
Lobotomy Boy, amazing story! I don't think the Coke at WalMart is any better than it is anywhere else, either. I do offer this as an example: My son is a typical 16 year skateboarder. Looks quite like a punk with leather jacket and dog collar. A year ago, he and his friends were injesting junk food purchased legally from a store in the center of our town. A cruiser came up to them and told them to move along. My son walked up to the cop, stuck out his hand and introduced himself. My boy has an amazing self-confidence. The cop was totally flabbergasted. My son's crew has never been bothered since.
I know the experience with this cop rattled your cage and I don't blame you. But next time, walk right up to him, introduce your self. I bet the cop will never bother another law abiding ammo purchaser again.

Waitone
June 9, 2004, 11:13 AM
Major leap from being tailed by a b&W ossifer to Ashecroft being wierd.

Maybe John Q. Citizen turned in a license plate number and flipped two digits.

If it were my story I'd have either bought the ossifer a WalMart Coke and failing that I'd have called the freakin' PD as asked, "Wassup wid Ossifer Friendly tailing me."

Yea, sounds wierd but not for the stated reasons.

chas_martel
June 9, 2004, 12:03 PM
I've been asked the "Is it for a handgun." only once or twice.

I love the look when I tell them "No, it for a SMG."

They literally don't know what to do.

I think in the future I will just lie and tell them it is for a long gun.

R.H. Lee
June 9, 2004, 12:16 PM
The first thing they will do is confiscate all privately held weapons.

"They" may try. They won't succeed. :fire:

chas_martel
June 9, 2004, 12:20 PM
>"They" may try. They won't succeed.

Man, you and I must live in parallel universes.

The one I live in will let this happen.

Patent Works
June 9, 2004, 12:47 PM
Is there any common "handgun" ammo for which a long gun was not chambered?

ScottS
June 9, 2004, 12:48 PM
I think Lobotomy Boy's story is easily explainable, with little or no conspiracy theory required.

Somebody anti working at Fleet Farm (Anti's are everywhere, even hardware/tractor/"men-type" stores) sees him buying all that ammo and drops a dime to the cops to report this "suspicious activity." Probably been a while since Fleet Farm sold 1000 rounds of pistol ammo all at one time. Cop in the area is called over to check it out. Someone tells him to follow the "suspicious" guy to see if he's headed for the local elementary school or daycare center, and he follows you to Wallyworld. You get out and head for the store. He gets out, sees you're not wearing 5 handguns and 2 bandoliers of ammo, and then feels stupid for standing there. Time for a coke.

This "conspiracy" could consist of no more than one anti who sees a completely innocent but slightly unusual (to him/her) purchase, and a quarter for the payphone.

Wrong? Yes. Conspiracy? Not necessarily, and not even probably.

Scott

whofan
June 9, 2004, 12:51 PM
The Super Center up in Springfield, Missouri takes the ammo to the cashier for you. Then the cashier asks the "is this for a handgun?" question.

Never been carded , though.

ScottS
June 9, 2004, 01:36 PM
Is there any common "handgun" ammo for which a long gun was not chambered?Here are some "possibles."
.25ACP
.380ACP
.357Sig
.38 Super
10mm
.41Mag

Scott

sm
June 9, 2004, 01:55 PM
This "conspiracy" could consist of no more than one anti who sees a completely innocent but slightly unusual (to him/her) purchase, and a quarter for the payphone.

Does this mean I should drop a dime to the po-po next time I see some old geezer buying 3 jars of peanut butter and a about a dozen "Lunchables" at the market?

I mean this might be a dirty old pedaphile. OMG... what if he has a bunch of kids locked up in the basement?

I see what the point and message. Folks need to NOT mirror the gummit. Meddlin' - We have enough Gummit meddlin" as is. So I suppose it is only natural to encourage folks to drop dimes on each other so more meddlin' can occur.

Once everything is a crime it will be easy to make everyone a criminal.

"What'd they bust you for?".
Walmart Swiped my Card when I bought tools and breathing masks
"Is that all ?"
"Well the old fart did drop a dime on me for buying a tarp down at the Hardware Store

" What were you up to?"
I was gonna remove the acoustic from my ceiling and make it smooth...they had proof from purchase I was a meth maker

Thumper
June 9, 2004, 02:06 PM
Scott S,

TC has manufactured Contender carbine barrels for all of those except .25 ACP and .380.

Cobray made a carbine version of their M-12 in .380.

Heck...I even found this reference to a .25 ACP rifle:

http://www.outdoorguides.com/outdoor/relfaq.htm

ScottS
June 9, 2004, 04:06 PM
SM said Does this mean I should drop a dime to the po-po next time I see some old geezer buying 3 jars of peanut butter and a about a dozen "Lunchables" at the market? Blah, blah, rant, rant...No, of course it doesn't. You quote my post, but seem to have neglected this important part:Wrong? Yes. I never said it was the right thing to do. Christ, since when do anti's do the right thing? But, they do questionable/dumb things like this all the time. All I was saying was it was a likely scenario that didn't involve government conspiracy. Of course the guy wasn't right to do it.

Thumper,

If it' a Contender, that's still a handgun, right? Or, can you use the Contender barrels in the Encore? (That's the multi-barrel rifle thing, isn't it?) Yeah, after I wrote a couple of guesses, I started thinking of the M-11 in a semi-config. Couldn't remember if anybody made it, tho.

Does anyone chamber a rifle in .32ACP or .32H&R Mag?

The guy who made the .25ACP rifle has too much time on his hands. :)

Scott

Tamara
June 9, 2004, 04:12 PM
Does anyone chamber a rifle in .32ACP or .32H&R Mag?

Marlin's now offering a .32 Mag levergun.

Rockrivr1
June 9, 2004, 04:50 PM
I'm thinking that these ID checks are centralized to the store management instead of being cooked up by the main headquarters. My reasoning is that I frequently buy ammo from multiple Walmarts, depending upon where I'm going shooting.

The Walmart in Northborough and Northbridge are usually pretty easy to get ammo from with only having to show your gun license. There's an elderly gentlemen in the Northborough store that will chat with you on gun stuff if things aren't to busy.

But the Walmart in Auburn and Sturbridge are a real pain in the butt. The Sturbridge store always give me a hard time as they want to see my gun and drivers license and the guy behind the counter spents countless minutes scrutinizing them. Same goes with the Auburn location.

Unless I run short unexpectedly, I'll go to the one in Northbridge as that one always has the best selection of ammo.

Bacchus
June 9, 2004, 05:07 PM
Story sounds fishy. Member is a LEO, whose credentials are evident, and he doesn't say anything to the clerk?

OF
June 9, 2004, 05:43 PM
the cashier runs my license through to same reader as the credit cards.Uh huh. Not all rocket scientists over there at wally world. Did she talk out loud to anyone you couldn't see while you were there? Maybe something like turning away, looking nervous, holding her shirt cuff up to her mouth and whispering "The chair is against the wall."

I'd go buy a box over at that walmart just to watch her do that. "So when you swipe this drivers license here, the credit card machine dials up the state police computers...do all credit card machines do this?"

Next time, ask her how a Thermos knows how to keep the cool stuff cool and the hot stuff hot.

Post your results here. :D

- Gabe

Lobotomy Boy
June 9, 2004, 09:17 PM
Someone probably did call the cops. At Fleetfarm they give your ammo in a clear plastic bag that is stapled shut and you have to take it to the checkout counter. I went and looked at boots before checking out, and I was wandering around the shoe area with a giant clear plastic bag full of ammunition, which probably was a bit much for the timid and constipated.

I thought about going and introducing myself to the cop as he enjoyed his refreshing soft drink at WalMart but I had a co-worker with me and he had to be somewhere.

At WalMart the lady working at the counter asked if the 500 rounds of 9mm I bought were for a handgun. I said, "Some of them." (I also have a 9mm carbine.) I thought she'd freak, but we started chatting and it turned out she'd just graduated with a degree in law enforcement. We target shoot at the same range.

Shield529
June 10, 2004, 02:47 AM
To Bacchus

I was with my family at the time and frankly the Dept. I work for is not big on us getting ANYTHING stirred up.
It was the time for discrestion (SIC)

sm
June 10, 2004, 03:15 AM
:o
Apologizes.
I did not get all the quote - my fault.
My post was sarcasm, not at you.

I will not edit my previous post. That would show bad form and make you look bad - confusing.

I will admit I goofed by not properly quoting and using sarcasm in smilies or type.

Sorry
:o

Harry Tuttle
June 10, 2004, 07:19 AM
Did you know that 12 gram CO2 cartridges are a Wally World age controlled product?

The last time i bought fodder for my Nerf LAWS, the self serve register mom had to "permit" the transaction.

Wally Worlds penchant for databasing, makes them a prudent place to utilize cash.

ScottS
June 10, 2004, 07:35 AM
sm,

No apology necessary. We both feel the same way: this was a stupid overreaction on someone's part. We just said it differently.

My apologies for not "getting" the sarcasm in your post.

Scott

porciniman
June 12, 2004, 03:30 PM
Just came back from Wally World in Danvers, MA.
Bought 500 rds of 9mm, & 2 bricks of 22lr, however the guy asked to see both my LTC and my drivers license.
This is a new policy at this store, as I have not been asked for my drivers license before.
He would not sell me the ammo without my drivers license, even tho my LTC has all the info they should need.
It is getting a little more difficult in MA to purchse anything gun related.
This state is chipping away at our rights. a bit at a time.
VB:(

Watchman
June 12, 2004, 04:41 PM
I dont beleive that a store clerk has any right to ask to see a LTC.

Sure any LEO does, but that store clerk is stretching it. I would have a talk with the manager about that one.

Tropical Z
June 12, 2004, 06:36 PM
Can a simple household magnet be used to deactivate these strips?

scout26
June 13, 2004, 06:09 PM
I only occasionally by ammo at Wallyworld, when it has a really low price or when it's the only thing on the way to shoot.

Never been asked that question and I live in near Daleyworld (Chicago).

How many scandals doe sit take before they nail his hide to the wall ???

G1FAL
June 13, 2004, 10:48 PM
Last time I bought ammo at Wal Mart (2 boxes of .45 ACP), the only question the guy asked was "Can I help you?". He was actually pretty helpful, pulling several different brands out of the display case for me to paw over before I settled on the two I got.

Steel
June 14, 2004, 05:46 PM
Big Brother! I strongly suspect that this is just the beginning of the nightmare....

GunGeek
June 14, 2004, 06:38 PM
Can a simple household magnet be used to deactivate these strips?
Yes a stong magnet will erase it, I used a computer harddrive magnet on my Kali one years ago, right after all the nightclubs started swiping them to send you junkmail under the ruse of verifing the age. Was funny because it didn't just come up corrupted or blank, but the machines simply acted lke nothing had been swiped. Funny thing is no club EVER wouldn't let me in because the card woudn't swipe, so the solution to ID fakers would be simply don't worry about it.

And yes a creditcard reader can read a license, they use the exact same technology. Most states have the strip coded in plain text so it is not encrypted in any way. Now a standard register would have no idea what to do with the info but thats fixed with a simple software upgrade.

LostCajun
June 14, 2004, 06:57 PM
Twice now I've held my nose and gotten 2 boxes of WWB 9mm from the local WM here in Florida. Both times the clerk asked for ID, but there was no scanning, nor even more than a cursory glance at it. I asked why, and he said it was to make sure I was a FL resident. We got into a discussion about the difference between a GA resident buying the same ammo in Georgia, and the same person buying the stuff in FL. Neither one of us could come to any logical conclusion as to why there is a residency requirement (or seems to be). For a state with as many seasonal residents as FL does, I can't imagine this being a state requirement (don't know for sure, though).
Just a case of a guy doing his job as he's been told to. Haven't bought ammo there in over a year now. (I needed new brass)
Also in both cases, the purchase was made at the sporting goods counter, and bagged there, so none of the faint-of-heart shoppers milling about would see me carrying - or God forbid waiting in the checkout line - with those boxes so proudly emblazoned with 'WINCHESTER' across the top.
Sometimes the only explanation that makes sense is the least desirable.
LostCajun

GunGeek
June 14, 2004, 08:41 PM
I was just reminded of when I bought a shotgun at WM, a manager carried it to my car for me, and iirc I couldn't buy ammo for it on that trip (but I could walk back in as soon as it was in the car). I'm sure I had a huge smile on my face thinking about the irony with a.45 IWB, I think I even used my CWP as ID, manager probably thought I was just happy with my purchase.

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