A Call To ROCK !


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sm
June 7, 2004, 01:33 PM
Okay Members .

Here is the deal, from the thread "Window War" http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=69010

July 4 is fast approaching. A very Symbolic date in our Nation's History.

I propose getting organized and by LEGAL Carrier Sending Rocks to Congress Critters with the Second Amendment as per the "Window War".

We have the AWB, We have so many other RKBA agendi being discussed.

Congress Critters may not read snail mail, email, or take note of phone calls - Being overrun by "Second Amendment" written on a Rock perhaps will get attention .

The Media will notice If we play this right. WE have to take the offensive and explain the message.

I like this. Law abiding, non violent. Yet very serious message. - fjolnirsson

Again Symbolic.

Rocks are available to anyone. The law abiding citizen does not abuse these - The Criminal does.

Rocks are not banned or limited in size. Rocks cannot do anything without a user. Rocks can be paralleled to firearms - Rocks cannot do a damn thing without a user. The INTENT of user determines how the Rock is used.

Congress Critters know in this Republic exist firearms. Our Forefathers took great pains to insure WE THE PEOPLE would not become from whence we came - Tyranny.


The aforementioned thread is worth reading again. In this I suggested Bricks [ If I were rich tho'] , I mentioned other Folks that we should make recipeients of bricks/ rocks. We can still do these, use for grass roots causes...

IMO - with the 4th of July , AWB, and the Election coming up the main target should be Congress .

Legal, Civil , Polite and Courteous. NO threatening notes, no threatening implications. We don't want folks getting into trouble. WE don't want to give the MEDIA anything that can be twisted, skewed or used misrepresented.

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GunnySkox
June 7, 2004, 02:39 PM
I thought that, perhaps, rather than hurling rocks through windows (I dunno what the suggestion that sparked this thread was, I never finished reading the Window War thread, just read the "Future Fiction" and loved it) "we", freedom-loving and law abiding folks we are, could take fairly large rocks, and either inscribe the pertinent sections of the Bill of Rights (1st, 2nd, 4th, 9th and 10th amendments) and either hurl them onto the lawns of our ***-****ed politicians, or stack them up in front of the doors, like the people "in the day" used to make altars. It sends a powerful message without being illegal (what's the worst they could charge you with? Illegal relocation of mineral matter? Littering, maybe... Perhaps trespassing, if you're caught) and without seeming like whackjobs. Plus, there are plenty of rocks to go 'round, especially big ones, on which you could inscribe the entire bill of rights, and underline pertinent sections, and just toss the thing onto their doorstep. Then, surround it with smaller rocks with messages attached or written on them...

Apologize for the rambling post, I'm going a little stir-crazy, and weaving maille has become a tad too tedious.

~Slam_Fire
"I just.. I just realized that nothing she ever said had any meaning whatsoever..." ~My friend Max, on why he dumped his gf.

sm
June 7, 2004, 02:53 PM
READ the Window War

We have to walk the walk.

Labgrade did. So many others here at THR /TFL do.

We can give up a fast food burger to do this. Or would we rather rattle our traps, piss, moan and bitch about the "Mart" asking for ID, or being out of Winchester White Box? Is my bling bling that was ordered gonna be on the Brown Truck?

If enough laws are passed, we will all be criminals. We will not have to worry about White Box ammo. We might be hungry wondering if the guard is going to bring stale bread and water...

Bars , chains and shackles don't "bling"...

CrudeGT
June 7, 2004, 03:46 PM
SM, I like the idea, but I think mailing a rock to a congress-critter will be seen the same as mailing then a bullet. Remember, to the paranoid, EVERYTHING is against the law. and if the congressman sees it as a threat, we will all be in jail.

piling them in front of the door is in a interesting idea.

fjolnirsson
June 7, 2004, 04:12 PM
I think mailing a rock to a congress-critter will be seen the same as mailing then a bullet.
Hence the lack of return address. Anonymity is the key.

CrudeGT
June 7, 2004, 04:48 PM
Interesting, why not just mail bullets then? We could get some .50BMGs, I'm sure there's enough room on that sucker to right the 2nd amend.

Let's think through this mailing a rock to a politcal leaders door without a return address. It will be picked up by a bomb squad. Think that through, a large envelope or package, no return address, going to the home of a congress critter. Yeah right. It'l be dusted for prints and the owner will be deemed a terrorist, without even checking what is inside. I still like the idea of piling them in front of the front door better.

sm
June 7, 2004, 06:15 PM
The point of the rocks/bricks were to emulate the Window War .

Window War uses the rocks and brick bats to send the message That paranoid Congress Critters have no balls, bearings or marbles.

"We The People...
We are a Republic. Remember?

Personally - I don't give a damn if a Congress Critter wets the bed because of parnoia. Congress Critter is all about Control. Spreads the paranoia to the masses..."gummit gonna take care of you".

Save the bullets for such time they need to used as intended.

Now I personally am sick and tired of PC and stepping on people's little pissant sensitivities. I don't want folks busted. I don't want folks giving THR, TFL, and some other forums a bad rap.

Who does Photoshop? Do a friggin Rock with the Second Amendment. Make a printable version folks can download "anonymously" ...and send the damn thing out.

Wear your latex gloves, use self stick stamps ( or a moisten a cloth...dammit to hell the CSI syndrome) and No return addy.

Sometimes to capture someone's attention - Whisper

Yeah well maybe so.

I give it to them Loud and Dirty so it sticks - Patton

I can't type how much easier it would be just to grab a marker and...

I can type the fact one night I arrived to find a brickbat on the business floor. The Window sticker of the Alarm Company was the "spot aimed for".

The rock said "testing". The deal was to "test" a business and response times. Then the BG's would throw a rock and hit the business across town. So while all the units were dispatched "over yonder...steal from "this one".

Oldest trick in the book.

I was the "this one" later...while answering the call elsewhere, the wrecker backed up through the front, attached the safe and left. We figured 3 min. tops to pull the job.

I have some experience from being a recipeint of a rock with writing.

I have quite a bit of experience sleeping in a business with firearms because I chose to heed the warning of the message. Parnoid...Why hell NO, I was armed. I was being watchful, prudent, and taking responsibility for that which I was was entrusted with.

repeat- For which I was entrusted with. I "believe" the Congress Critters are "entrusted" with making sure the Constituiton is upheld.

I tell you one thing, waiting with firearms to have the front glass replaced is no fun. Doing it again and standing in a spot where a safe once sat is a bunch worse. A whole bunch worse.

Maybe I am wrong. My thinking was shaped perhaps by life lessons and experiences. Many of which one could say were "histories" shared by others.

The elderly lady - a Jewish doctor , that remembers fleeing with her family by oxcart as a little girl to safety...see they were Russian Jews...

The Vets telling stories of how the people with dirty grungy faces, starving, hiding in the countryside because the 'soldiers" had taken their town and daughters for their own use...crying with happiness upon being "FREE" again...

The classmate from Croatia, here on a volleyball scholarship...worried sick about her family. The family had not been heard from in 3 wks. The woman folks hid , the men only had farm implements to protect themselves...

Same girl that stood up in a history class and with conviction told her "American" classmates, that they do not appreciate or take their freedoms seriously. Gun Control is WRONG, the whole idea is the control of the people - not guns.

I challenge anyone to visit a Veterns Hospital and look a Man or Woman that has served this country in the eye and tell them they are complacent.

I dare you!

fjolnirsson
June 7, 2004, 06:59 PM
Who does Photoshop? Do a friggin Rock with the Second Amendment. Make a printable version folks can download "anonymously" ...and send the damn thing out.

I think this would be excellent, also. For our friends without the price of mailing a real rock, they could send a paper one.

As for the concern about no return address, good point. Fine. Send a package,,, and use a fake address. Just pick some numbers. C'mon, folks. We aren't asking for a kidney here. Are we Patriots? Or are we "couch patriots"? Read the second paragraph of my sig line, please.

This isn't hard, and it would send a message. A clear message. We are sick of gun control, and we are mobilizing. C'mon. It's an hour (or less) out of your day to do this, and the cost can be as little as 50 cents. Use a fake address, and wear gloves. What's the excuse?

Bah.
We all come here, and we piss and moan about the loss of our freedoms. We whine and complain, and we cower in our homes, afraid the government will come for us.
With every new bill introduced, we claim the line in the sand is closer, and we say what we'll do when it gets here.
I don't propose to let it get here.
Our forefathers believed in activism. It works for the left. We need to make it work for us. I'm tired of watching my freedom slip away through lack of action. I'm tired of being afraid for my daughters future.

I often see people ask if we patriots are willing to give up our homes and our families for a cause.
I ask, aren't we doing the same by doing nothing? It only takes longer.
Many years from now, as you tell your grandchildren about the thrill of target shooting, will you bew wondering what could have been?
Looking back, would you be willing to trade those many years of safety for just one year of freedom? Just one chance to tell the grabbers that it will not be this way?
What does it take to motivate a man?
We have proposed nothing illegal. Yet some will quibble, and some will say, what if?
I say, what happens if we don't?
The AWB is being reintroduced by Feinstien. Proof that the grabbers will not give up without a fight. Should we do less?
Don't we owe it to our children to do all we can do to stave off the loss of our liberties?
If we don't start acting soon, we will become the last generation of Americans who have known even a semblance of freedom.
Men like Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams and Benjamin Franklin did not start out to be heroes. They saw oppression, and they fought it, rather than lie down.
I say, it is better to be a dead lion, than a live sheep.
And it is better to die standing, than to live on your knees.
I don't advocate armed revolution, I think we can still change things.
But we have to get off our A$$es, if we want to preserve our freedoms. Jimpeel couldn't even find people to hand out fliers at airports, because people whined that it wouldn't do anything, and they'd get put on a list.
Bah.
For the love of whatever God you believe in, do something! Do something!
I certainly shall. To stand and do nothing would shame my ancestors, as well as myself.
Is anybody listening? I want America back!

http://www.tomeaker.com/Icons/a_soapbox.gif :cuss:


Rant over.

sm
June 7, 2004, 07:49 PM
I have permisson to use the name Phil Carson myself for mailings...

Go find your own alias folks...

Thanks Mr. Bracken.

:)

fjolnirsson
June 7, 2004, 07:54 PM
SM, check your PM.

sm
June 7, 2004, 08:13 PM
Confirmed
Use the email addy.

I may have to run to the ER...I can check my Web mail there if need...I hope I won't have to...:uhoh:

Smoke
June 7, 2004, 08:30 PM
I see no problem with mailing a real rock, or especially a picture of a rock, to my elected officials. I would gladly sign my real name so that they know it came from a voting constituent.

Where would the trouble be in mailing a picture of a rock to your congress critter?

Please enlighten me.

Love the idea, sm.

Smoke

fjolnirsson
June 7, 2004, 09:30 PM
Really, we must have somebody willing to contribute .50 and an hour of time. At least a couple more.
Even if it makes zero impact, what have you given up? How much effort?

CrudeGT
June 7, 2004, 10:20 PM
Okay, your speech won my vote. Check your PM's. Let me know how to help, and when to start.

fjolnirsson
June 7, 2004, 10:36 PM
Crude GT,
Pm sent.

Worst case scenario I see for this, only a couple hundred folks do it, and a few Congressmen have rocks to pave their gardens with.
If we get a lot of people to do this, the worst case IU see is a few politicians get really nervous.
Even those Politicos who are insulated enough not to be worried about window breaking will at least get the message that the gunnies are riled up. Perhaps it will change a stance or two. Perhaps it won't.

But dammit! We'll have tried! It's a start.

GigaBuist
June 7, 2004, 11:53 PM
Thanks for the email. The thread title didn't get my attention (and I've been busy as all get-out at work) so I'm arriving late.

I love the idea. I absolutely positively love the idea.

Rather than just write the 2A on it though perhaps something more imaginative is in order?

"A well armed populace is the foundation of a Republic."

"A well armed populace is the rock upon which freedom is built."

Sorry, can't think of any others right now. I understand the reference to the Windows Wars story (don't know if that's true or not) --- but upon hearing the rock idea those were the images that went through my head first. It's a right, you cannot move it any easier than you can destroy this rock. That kinda thing. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree but if the story ever hit the nightly news a one sentence message would be easier than an obscure reference to a story that many RKBA people aren't even familiar with.

I'm thinking it might be more prudent to mail them to the Senators than Congressmen though. Simply because of sheer numbers. If each congress critter gets, oh, 3-4 rocks, that'd mean each Senator could have received 12-20 rocks. Depends on your state of course. Oh, heck, mail one to all three.

I'm prone to suggest the Senators idea because my congress critter doesn't appear to be a horribly bad guy with regards to the 2A. My Senators are another matter though.

Heck, maybe we should just mail 'em all to Larry Craig so he can chuck them at Senators during session :)

How big are we talking here? Fist sized? Double fist sized? Human head? 5 year old boy's body mass? :evil:

I really, really, really like the idea.

CrudeGT
June 8, 2004, 12:19 AM
I was thinking a 5'x5' slab on concrete, layed on the individuals car. That would give me enough room to write whatever i wanted as big as I wanted:D

fjolnirsson
June 8, 2004, 12:23 AM
As big as you want to pay postage on.
:D
I'd recommend fist sized or smaller, Hel, send as many as you want, too. They can be sxent to anti sheriffs, mayors, whoever.
I want this to get as much attention as we can. Really freak them out!
Any pro rkba messages are great!

EWTHeckman
June 8, 2004, 12:28 AM
Rather than just write the 2A on it though perhaps something more imaginative is in order?

Might I suggest this quote from the Constitution plus a link to the article.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Constitution of the United States, Article VI

fjolnirsson
June 8, 2004, 12:38 AM
I suggest everyone use whichever quote you feel is proper, so long as it is rkba related, and it fits legibly on your rock. Jimpeel pointed out, we shouldn't link to the article, as they can find out who has visited that site. Perhaps include the text of the story copied over to Word or such a program. place the story in the package with your rock or picture threof.

Nick1911
June 8, 2004, 12:43 AM
I love it.


But for this to have a snowballs chance in hell of working vaguely well - we MUST organize! We need to find out what numbers are going where, who's in and who's out. Else I see only about 15 people even do it nation wide.

I for one and willing to go through and PM members from Indiana, as some probably haven't seen this thread.

We also need a timeframe. What?


I'm all ears here, but this won't go anywhere without planning.

Nick

sm
June 8, 2004, 01:02 AM
WE send the first one to a trusted RKBA Journalist, Reporter...

This person does the reference to "Window War".

Then we pull a "Hitcock". Alfred Hitchcock would show the audience a ticking bomb...then go on with the plot. All the time the audience was trying to follow the plot - that image of the ticking bomb bugged them. Audience did not know when or where...but that bomb was going to play a part. tick...tick...tick

We work smarter - not harder. Have this trusted RKBA Media person show the rock , message and reference the "Window War". IN The TRUE spirit of which we seek this message sent.

When these show up, folks will know why and the message. We tell our side first, we send the message we want first. That is established and documented .

Talking heads can't muck it up, can't discredit, can't mis-represent, can't mis-quote.

We take the offensive and tell the truth first. This makes the talking heads and politicans have to take the defensive.

Be the firstest with the mostest Gen. Bedford Forrest.

DesertEagle613
June 8, 2004, 01:12 AM
So should an individual send rocks to only his senators, or to more?

ravinraven
June 8, 2004, 01:35 AM
"Rocks can be paralleled to firearms"

Rocks were firearms at one time. They will be again if we don't stop the non-sense.

Would the picture of the rock with its message be more effective if it were lying in a pool of broken glass with an obvious smashed window in the background??

Such a picture could be circulated on the net to anyone who wanted to join the protest. Discipline of a protesting group perhaps makes more of an impression than their noise. If a few hundred, hopefully thousand, people from all over the country are doing the same thing [i.e, sending the same picture] this tells the congress critters and whoever else that an organized, disciplined group is afoot.

I firmly believe in putting my own return address on anything I send the critters. This stops me from sending bombs or dead G-men that might be traced back to me and it means that there is a serious person out there who might even expect a reply. It at least says that there is a real person out there watching your actions. And I'm old enuf now so that if they take me out today, I won't have missed much. There are advantages to getting old.

And I get a chance to send a letter to Hitlary. I'm so damn lucky I'm wetting my .....never mind.

Should someone start a thread with a more obvious title and instructions? Sort of a "one-stop" place to get your information, addresses, pictures, etc. It is important, I think, that we all do the same thing. A real rock is enough of a nusiance to some senders that the job might not get done.

Someone mentioned the beauty of piling the rocks around the front door. Of what? The halls of Congress?

Might get attention, but all those cars driving on the capitol lawn would cause problems.

Great idea. I'm in no matter what we decide to do.

This is sort of odd. I think that we each are sitting here not wanting to grab the reins because others might think we are power mad. But we do need a bit of central "leadership" just to get the thing right, whatever we do.

rr [sitting here not wanting...etc.]

fjolnirsson
June 8, 2004, 01:42 AM
I've sent an email out to several of the big RKBA groups. JFPO, 2nd Amendment Sisters, Etc. Right now, I'm interested in numbers. SM and I need to talk and get a couple things hashed out, but give us a couple days, and we can get this off the ground. SM is right though, we need to get our story to a good journalist before anything happens. I don't know if he had someone in mind. If not, we need to find one.
IS THERE A JOURNALIST IN THE HOUSE?
lol.

sm
June 8, 2004, 02:01 AM
I give credit to Stickjockey for posting his reference to the Window War in the first place - afterall it is was sparked the idea.

Another Credit to you fjolnirsson for your thoughts and input.

There are other folks that deserve credit and recognition as well.

Me...I ain't no big deal. I think if fjolnirsson can and will take the lead - great! I've BTDT and well ...

I'm the fellow that kinda sorta goes against the norm. Whilst folks are talking about - I've already done it. I go to a anti meeting and leave a fire extingusher with a trigger lock that I brought to make a point...nobody saw me- I left with the box of anti pamphlets and did get a free box lunch tho'. I tend to run up the middle or go to the inside...yeah I know what the "books" say you are "supposed to do"...well...you know the fella that gets on his horse -reins in teeth and goes alone to guerrilla fight - take the fight to folks instead of waiting for the folks to come to him...yeah...I'm kinda like that.

IS THERE A PRO RKBA JOURNALIST IN THE HOUSE ?


fjolnirsson - Start a new thread with the organziation plans.

I'm up, so email /pm me and I'll get off this dial up ISP and we can discuss.

fjolnirsson
June 8, 2004, 02:39 AM
btw, nobody jump the gun here. We have to work this out before it starts.

sm
June 8, 2004, 03:23 AM
fjolnirsson and I just hung up the phone.

We have a plan. Some of you will be contacted.

DO NOT be alarmed if we ask this thread and related posts be deleted and removed. WE are working on something. This deal is to be legal, polite, courteous, and in no way harm THR or any person or orgnization.

WE NEED to confer with seek and advice and help in the following areas:

Legal, Journalistic, Photoshop - probably some others I've forgotten.

Mailing addresses of Congress Critters, Local RKBA efforts, CCW efforts and the like need to be compiled and kept at the ready in a easy downloadable format.

First up is the contact of a Reputable Journalist - I have one in mind. WE have a TV person in mind as well. Plans are to get the message out first by reputable persons. Then we target a small group all at once with mailings.

Hit fast and hard, mount up and hit another small Target.

We hit fast and hard without warning. One never knows when and where the next target is.

Then the reputable Journalist will know whom is a recipient, contact them for response.

Keep folks stuttering, stammering, fetching and stepping that recieve the messages...WE THE PEOPLE have sent.

No rug big enough to sweep this under...we keep pressing what is the lump under the rug, we remove the rug and expose.

From here on out - go here for Organization information :

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?threadid=85949

Mods -

We may ask in the very NEAR future this and other threads and certain related posts be deleted. To shield THR , Oleg, THR members, and others...

WE have a plan...

fjolnirsson
June 8, 2004, 03:29 AM
Further updates and notices will be given on the RKBA Activism Organization thread.

Thanks.

ravinraven
June 8, 2004, 09:02 AM
....now if I could only pronounce your name!

rr

sturmruger
June 8, 2004, 01:55 PM
This sounds like fun I think I will try it.

fjolnirsson
June 8, 2004, 02:52 PM
The J is a Y sound. long O sound. nir like Near. son.

Fyol-near-son.

ravinraven
June 8, 2004, 03:14 PM
fyonearson? got it I guess.

rr

fjolnirsson
June 8, 2004, 04:08 PM
well, you missed the L at the end of the first syllable, but other than that, correct.

Moparmike
June 8, 2004, 06:27 PM
Count me in.

DesertEagle613
June 8, 2004, 07:48 PM
Lemme know what I can do, so long as I won't get arrested (at least until I'm done with college, then we'll see! :evil: ).

CrudeGT
June 8, 2004, 09:05 PM
Now i get it. I thought we were only going after the individuals local congress critter, you are talking about all of us mailing these to one politician at a time. I like that. I'm still with ya.

fjolnirsson
June 9, 2004, 12:35 AM
Excellent.

Freakhouse
June 9, 2004, 08:00 AM
Count me in..... all the way.

Brenton

Ben Shepherd
June 9, 2004, 09:17 AM
Got your PM, I'm in.

This boy buys ink, paper and envelopes at costco, so mailing a single rock shouldn't be too tough.

I do like the picture idea better though. Much easier logistically on a massive scale, also much less chance of the message thereon getting damaged in transit.

As you guys have posted, uniformity of timing is everything in this case.

ravinraven
June 9, 2004, 12:02 PM
I think the drawing and the whole thing that moparmike did is excellent. The reminder that the congresscritters must defend the constitution is as important as the 2A message.

I am surprised at the number of people on these threads who are concerned that they might be harrassed by the gov for exercising that other right about petitioning for a redress of grievances. Maybe that line should also be worked into the design.

The busted glass and brick is great. Maybe a quote of the "redress of grievances" lines could be put on the paper itself below the image of brick and glass.

Don't know. Don't want to make it too "busy."

I'm hoping to get a few besides me to send "bricks" from here.

Have we had any luck getting national writer coverage??

I can attempt to float a local newspaper article. In fact, maybe a short article could be emailed to various members of the "conspiracy" to publish locally. It would be quick and consistant and tell exactly what is going on. I'll volunteer to write such an article when all the info is gathered.

Feel free to email me with any ideas.

After this action is completed, we should get a plan going to hit the public every little while with some such reminder of where their rights are going and who is supposede to be defending the constitution but won't.

rr

Jim March
June 9, 2004, 02:13 PM
Folks, the gun-grabbers are going to interpret this as threats, even if they're not, and get media attention on that basis.

This ain't a good idea.

Third_Rail
June 9, 2004, 02:53 PM
Well, suggest something else that gets the same message across. I'm tired of being quiet, I'm tired of feeling like I don't do enough.

The time is here to get back our rights. I'm in.

fjolnirsson
June 9, 2004, 06:19 PM
Bump to the top for comments and discussion.
Nobody here is advocating that people send shards of glass. The glass was in a photo of a brick.
Bad PR?
Right now we have NO PR. Bad PR, in my opinion is a little better. Folks don't even realize there is an issue right now. Also, that is why we are using a journalist to explain before the fact, so that we have pre-empted the media spin. Nobody is threatening anybody. What we are doing, is telling various lawmakers that we are watching, and we are willing to take a stand on this issue.
For too long, gun owners have tried to be quiet, hoping we could pacify the grabbers if we don't make noise.
News Flash! It ain't working!
The politicians see us being good little boys and girls, and they think we are happy with how things are going. Enough of us obviously at the polls, so we must be happy, right?
This is a way for folks to get involved that doesn't require time and effort. If there is anything I have learned in my 29 years of life, it is that most people are lazy to one extent or another. Not necessarily a bad thing. Laziness is the mother of innovation.
We are not doing anything illegal. We are not doing anything "immoral". We are sending a message. The 2nd amendment shall not be infringed. So far as I know, nothing is illegal about quoting the BOR.
The left has made great advances by making themselves heard.
We have lost much ground through being quiet and not "rocking the boat".
Even many of our own are disturbed at the thought of open carry. Why is that?
No. Bad PR, I don't buy it. I just don't buy it.
A press release is being issued, with a statement of our intent.
We aren't blowing anything up. We aren't stopping traffic during the San Fransisco commute.
Hel, we aren't even picketing anybody.
We are sending letters. As protests go, ours is pretty da$$ tame. An armed march on the Capitol building, now that would be bad PR. We aren't doing that, though.
We're sending freakin' letters.
I guess the point I'm making is, if we can't send a letter without fear of reprisal, we're already subjects, no longer citizens.

fjolnirsson
June 9, 2004, 06:29 PM
The time has come to push the issue. The time is now. If we sit back and hope things keep going our way, they won't. We may very well have Kerry in the white house very soon. If that happens, I don't see things looking real good for us. All the more reason to move now.
If anybody has a better idea to get the same point across, I'm all ears. I will not sit here idle any longer. Writing letters isn't cutting it. Emails aren't doing a damn thing. When I phone, I get hung up on.
My reps are Boxer and Feinstein. Polite correspondence doesn't work, and they are swaying more to their cause. Look at the amendment to the gun makers bill. How did that pass? Feinstein stole votes from our side. I want these politicians called on the carpet. Diplomacy is all well and fine.
Activism works for the left, it will damn well work for us.

sumpnz
June 9, 2004, 06:37 PM
So where does this stand at the moment? Are we set on who will get these letters (only one major figure like Feinstein at a time, or a whole bunch of different ones at the same time, and if more than one will it be a discrete list or will everyone simply send to their reps and senators). Also when (July 4 or some other date)? How will you ensure that all letters arrive on the same day? A letter from CA will take longer to get the Washington DC than one from VA.

Also, will we all be sending the same thing, or will be up to the individual? Will it really be a Photoshopped picture of a brick/rock with a pro-2A message, and link to the Window Wars story, or will it be an actual brick/rock with a message written with a Sharpie on it?

fjolnirsson
June 9, 2004, 06:51 PM
Photoshopped picture of a brick/rock with a pro-2A message, for cheapnes and ease of mailing.
Everyone will send to the same person at once. We'l have to ask folks to figure delivery time, and mail accordingly. A day more or less in arrival will still make a point.
We will mail to one person, then another. Instead of one large event involving many politicians, we will focus on a different one each time. Starting with large offenders like Feinstein, and moving down to folks less vehement.

More later.

sumpnz
June 9, 2004, 07:04 PM
Beautiful. I'm so in.

Third_Rail
June 9, 2004, 07:39 PM
I can see it now, during the first wave...

"Dianne? Yes, you have four hundred more letters from that Don B. Treadnonmi, he seems to be mailing from all over the country."

The look on her face would be worth anything.

Glock_PhD
June 9, 2004, 08:33 PM
I like it and I am in. In my opinion though the real brick is so much more powerful.

sumpnz
June 9, 2004, 08:50 PM
In my opinion though the real brick is so much more powerful. Yeah, but as has been mentioned before, that would likely be percieved as a terroristic threat, just as if a bullet (particularly if it was mushroomed) was mailed. That is the kind of perception we're trying to avoid. Plus, this is way cheaper. 50cents vs $5 in postage and other expenses.

Moparmike
June 9, 2004, 10:07 PM
I will post this for everyone who didnt catch it in the other thread.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?postid=1049786


If anyone has a photo of a brick angled like that, I still have the glass pic so I could PS the words on the brick and the brick on the glass.

P95Carry
June 9, 2004, 10:51 PM
Damn! Double whammy - server is crawling tonight - sorry!

P95Carry
June 9, 2004, 10:51 PM
On the sidelines .. watching - listening .... otherwise quiet for now.:)

EWTHeckman
June 9, 2004, 11:53 PM
I have a few more suggestions.

Remember that some of us only have access to black & white laser printers or old, poor quality inkjet printers. The photo should be clear enough that it works on a wide variety of printers.

I also suggest making the file a PDF for the widest compatibility.

I think the entire article should be included in the mailing. A simple reference to the original may not be enough because they won't necessary go look, or the site could be shut down or overwhelmed.

The Second Amendment is crucial to insuring our freedom through force of arms if necessary. However, the entire Constution is under attack or being ignored or reinterpreted in various degrees by statists. If this campaign is focused on supporting the entire Constitution—including the 2nd Amendment—it may be more likely to gain wider support beyond 2A activists.

And finally, remember that the Constitution of the United States is the highest man made law of the land. It is NOT merely a suggestion.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

from the Declaration of Independence

Evil_Ed
June 10, 2004, 01:35 PM
For addresses please check out this book I just bought recently: http://capitoladvantage.com/publishing/standard.html

It's called "Congress at Your Fingertips" by Capitol Advantage Publishing and is a comprehensive guide to the 108th congress contact information. It actually contains much more than just the congressional contacts, it has senators, whitehouse, cabinet, various .gov agencies, and committee members listed as well.

gunsmith
June 10, 2004, 03:30 PM
say when

Ginger
June 10, 2004, 05:56 PM
I'm totally there. Let me know who and when.

corncob
June 10, 2004, 09:03 PM
I'm not in...yet. Keep up the chatter. Mr. March, would you please elaborate on why this is not a good idea. I think I tend to agree with you, but I know almost nothing about the law. I realize that folks are starting to get riled up, but we need to temper our zeal with wisdom. Don't any lawyers post on THR? Educated guesses about whether or not this will result in the Feds busting in my door and shooting me in the nuts won't cut it. We need facts.

If any of you think this won't get painted with the crazy brush by the media, or ignored altogether, you must be crazy. No matter how above reproach our actions may be, THE PRESS CAN TELL LIES. They can and they will.

fjolnirsson
June 11, 2004, 05:19 AM
If any of you think this won't get painted with the crazy brush by the media, or ignored altogether, you must be crazy. No matter how above reproach our actions may be, THE PRESS CAN TELL LIES. They can and they will.

My posts must be invisible. People just don't see them, apparently. I have asked repeatedly for folks to post here, and not at the update thread. I have explained several times our plan for the media. It isn't perfect, but here it is:
A press release will be made regarding our intentions before any actions are taken. This will be issued by a media member of our choosing. Our intentions and beliefs wil be made public. At that point, anybody wishing to apply spin must first refute" established" "facts" reported by the media.
Once you let the genie out of the bottle, he becomes damn difficult to stuff back in.
I see a lot of hand wringing, and a lot of worry that we'll be painted as crazies. Guess what?We already are!!!
All the public knows is the stereotypical NRA member. A racist, homophobic, inbred, wifebeating hillbilly.
Unless we change that, we will keep losing ground. The homosexual community won a great deal of ground for themselves in the last 20 years. How? By radical, in your face, no compromise activism. They weren't worried that people wouldn't like them.
Why should we worry? People don't like us. Like it or not, we are the new minority. Face it, people. Right now, the gun control pendulum appears to have reached a zenith. It looks like it's coming our way for a change, right?
Think about this. The polls show the presidential race to be neck and neck. All it takes is a nudge to see four years of President Kerry, maybe even VP Clinton.
Here are the facts:
We are doing nothing illegal!
We are sending paper with a non threatening message to politicians.
I am sick of living in fear of weasels who make their living off the sweat of my back! Our representatives are no longer representing us. When you call your senators office, you shouldn't be hung up on. Not without a little swearing first.
Our forefathers believed in radical activism. You think sending your senator a picture of a brick is radical? Try tar and feathers! That's a radical act.
Our statement is this. The Bill Of Rights are bricks which make up the foundation of our country. Remove one brick, and the structure topples.
Simple. Non threatening.
IT will be presented that way by our (say it with me now)media representative .
I'm an amateur at this. So was Sam Adams, before he became a hero. He was a brewer. I will no longer cower in my home, afraid to exercise my rights for fear of government reprisal. If we cannot act to preserve our rights, then we are subjects, not citizens, and I better just head on up to the capitol and start polishing boots for the massa.
I see a lot of smoke on these boards. Where is the fire? Where are the men whose line in the sand has been crossed? Where are the men who will say enough, and no more. It seems as though men in this country are no longer what they once were. Compromise is a fine thing. For some things, it does not work. Would you compromise on the rape of your daughter? Would you compromise on the theft of your last bits of food for your family? Why are so many willing to compromise their rights?
I have reached my limit. I will no longer sit and fear for my daughter's future. I will act. I will do something , for better or for worse.
If you don't like what I have to say, fine. Don't do it. But do something. run for office locally, or help change your party from within. Don't sit and moan about how your rights are being denied. If you aren't willing to help by doing something, you are part of the problem. Don't sit and snipe at those who are trying.
Those who say this won't work, why? Why won't it work? I hear that it won't work. What I don't hear is why it won't work. What I don't hear is a suggetion for what will work. Please, give me a better idea. All I know is I have been burning up my phone lines for two days now. I won't stop now.
I welcome advice from those who have seen the battle. But really make it advice. Not condemnation and criticism.
"A Patriot is merely a rebel at the start. In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."-Mark Twain

Truer words were never spoken. My line has been crossed. I will obey no future acts of tyranny by my government. I will live as I chose. I will obey current laws, but no more. I will live as a free man. I will protect my family, and I will fight for my rights.
Many people go to the ballot box and cast their vote, then proudly declare themselves voters. They go on their way, happy and smiling. Feeling special to have done what should be considered a duty, what many men have fought and died for.
I will no longer live my life to appease the blissninnies.
Well behaved individuals often make history. Usually as victims. I will exercise my right to protest. I will make a change.
Do your part. Act. It works for the left. It will work for us. If you don't like my plan, join the million round march. Better yet, do both. Just do something. Please.
It's for the children. Really. ;)

BTW, I remembered this:

http://www.jpfo.org/alert20010815.htm (http://www.jpfo.org/alert20010815.htm)
I thin it bears reading, in light of what we have been discussing.
And this:
http://www.saveourguns.com/poster-peapodfeinstein.htm

ravinraven
June 11, 2004, 09:27 AM
I keep reading about worries people have about this protest with the brick pix and 2A reminders. They'll come and get me, etc. seems to be the worry. If you think that is true, the NAZIs [Liberals for the unknowing] have already won. Go crawl in a hole and toss your gun out and get it over with.

If anyone is worried, email me and I'll let you use my name. I'll even send your letter and brix pix from my little old post orifice down the street and put my return address on it.

"Let's Roll" And that was said by an American Hero.

If we don't fight the new age NAZIs we are doomed. Liberal and NAZI are two different spellings for the same political idea. Got it!? FIGHT THE BASS TIRDS!! NOW!!

The American Revolution was a totally illegal act. Hitler never broke a law.

rr

fjolnirsson
June 11, 2004, 03:06 PM
I'm sure of it now.

EWTHeckman
June 20, 2004, 12:41 AM
So what happened? Has this idea just faded into the woodwork?

Stickjockey
June 20, 2004, 08:24 PM
Just wondwering that same thing...

fjolnirsson
June 20, 2004, 08:44 PM
I'm not having any luck at all finding a lawyer willing to give free legal advice for a pro-gun scheme. Understandable, since they went to all the trouble of earning a law degree and passing the bar exams, etc.
However, I had hoped to find a pro-gun lawyer somewhere who would be willing to help out merely for the sake of principle.
No such luck. I'm still looking, during my time not spent taking care of my 2 month old daughter, but it is slow going(hard to talk to a lawyer while baby screams in your ear,lol.).
I am leery of launching this program without some advice from a lawyer. I will be contacting a couple of members soon(I hope) to refine the photo of the brick(rock?). I'm gonna do a poll before then to see whether more folks want the image to be a rock(window war style) or a brick(BOR =foundation of country idea). I like the brick, myself.
Thanks for asking, guys. I won't give up on this, I just can't afford a lawyer right now, so I'm stuck looking for pro bono.
It might take a bit, but we're going to do this.

ravinraven
June 21, 2004, 10:53 AM
fjol....,

You should proofread a bit closer. You used the word "lawyer" and "principle" in the same sentence.

Joke. ROTHLMAO.

rr

joe sixpack
June 22, 2004, 01:48 AM
Include moi.

cheers ab

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