RKBA activism organization thread


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fjolnirsson
June 8, 2004, 04:21 AM
This thread is going to be a place to keep up with the plan from this thread:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85824

So far, this is what we have. We are going to mail something(either Bricks or rocks with a message, or photoshopped pictures of same.). We are going to all mail the same thing, to make it uniform and present a unified front.
We need to come up with an appropriate RKBA quote or slogan.
We also need to find a Pro RKBA journalist. Suggestions so far are Ann Coulter or John Stossel. WE NEED big exposure to make this work!
That journalist will present the reason behind the mailing prior to the fact.
Please, no mailings before we are ready. We can't afford leftward spin on this before the facts are out.
A great help would be for people to network locally and regionally, so we have alternate means of contact after we take this off of THR. We DO NOT want THR smeareed by any negative press, so after a certain point, we will ask that mods remove any related threads and we will communicate by other means.
The mailings will go to politicians,Stay tuned!

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sm
June 8, 2004, 04:42 AM
If a man does away with his traditional way of living and throws away his good customs, he had better first make certain that he has something of value to replace them. - Basuto Proverb

From Robert Ruark's Something Of Value

sm
June 8, 2004, 04:48 AM
Paging Mr. Jim March...

Contact fjolnirsson or myself.

I believe you have my email...

Thank You !

:D

Skadhisugla
June 8, 2004, 05:27 AM
I'm a friend of Fjolnirsson, and he's let me know what's going on. I'm in.

sm
June 8, 2004, 05:30 AM
Welcome to THR!

Thanks for coming aboard!!

ietrash
June 8, 2004, 05:49 AM
fjolnirsson,
Check your PMs

jimpeel
June 8, 2004, 03:05 PM
Vin Suprynowicz, Assistant Editorial Page Editor
Las Vegas Review-Journal
VSuprynowicz@reviewjournal.com
Phone: (702) 383-0276

Werewolf
June 8, 2004, 03:31 PM
I'm in!

That said:

I realize that an organized mail campaign to influence our congressional representatives is a 100% legal and very American thing to do but before we do it consider that:

Call it tinfoil hat if you wish but I'd bet a dollar to a doughnut that if in any mailing we use our real names that the nature of the mailing will result in our names being placed on a FEDERAL LIST of some sort (heck just being a member of THR is more than likely list worthy). Maybe one called the Re-education and Future Work Camp Plank Owners list or the Go see this Guy and Collect his Guns First list or the Nut Case Probably Safe to Ignore list. What ever the list is called if you use your real name when you mail the suggested letter you're gonna end up on it. (OK that's probably an exageration but your name will be placed in a data base of some sort for sure - even if it's only your congress critter's office data base - the possibilities are numerous).

I would suggest that we pick a RKBA related phrase and anagram it into something resembling a real name. It wouldn't be the first time that was done. Then we all use that name.

If we all conduct our mailings on the same day and all use the same name when our congress critters and state legislators start comparing notes it will be obvious even to them that an organized campaign is being conducted - how could one guy mail 10,000 letters from 10,000 different post offices all at the same time.

Oh! And you probably shouldn't mail your letter from your neighborhood mailbox either - at least mail it from a different zip code and handle it as little as possible (you'd be surprised how many places a finger print can be lifted from - not that they'd necessarily do that because of one letter but if a significant number come in all with the same message????).

Think Security - Remember - Agent Schmukatelli IS watching you...

EWTHeckman
June 8, 2004, 03:37 PM
I nominate Don B. Trednonmi.

thorsgodhi
June 8, 2004, 04:20 PM
I'm in, Great idea. may I suggest that we not delete any threads relating to this, nothing disappears in cyberspace. Deleting things just makes us look paranoid. We should also include Dubya in all this, a veto is still a victory of sorts.

Harry Tuttle
June 8, 2004, 04:49 PM
http://www.freewebz.com/jeffhead/50mrmarch/

Contact:
Jeff Head, jeffhead@bigplanet.com

Father's Day Event Planned -- "50 MILLION ROUND MARCH"

DATE (Emmett, Idaho ) -- May 19, 10 AM -- A nation-wide "50 Million Round March" is being planned for Father's Day, June 18, 2000 in support of 2nd amendment rights and to counter the "Million Mom March" which was held on Mother's Day.

This event will demonstrate to elected officials the resolve and the numbers of those individuals committed to retaining their second amendment rights, and send a message to cease enacting laws which infringe on this right for law abiding citizens.

Fathers and their families, friends and neighbors will get together at shooting ranges all over the nation and simultaneously fire over 50 million shots, or "rounds", as a statement in support of the right to keep and bear arms for all law abiding citizens. "Range monitors" will be in place at each event to insure that proper firearm safety is observed.

This effort will also include a letter-writing campaign to congressional representatives, senators, governors and the President informing them of the participants' attendance and their insistence that infringements on this constitutional right cease. As a memento of the event, the participants will include either one of their used targets with their letters, or two spent cartridges in a mailer box with their letters.

One of the organizers of this event, Jeff Head from Emmett, Idaho, related the following reasons he got involved with such a grassroots event:
"The efforts to infringe upon our 2nd amendment rights to self defense have been escalating in the recent months. A veritable chorus from political pundits and the main stream media are trying to convince us that it would be "best for the children" to further restrict firearm use and sales by honest, law-abiding citizens.

However, history is littered with the ashes of societies and peoples who have accepted this unsubstantiated and historically inaccurate claim. Historically it is clear that it would be "best for the children" for the people to remain armed. Responsible firearm ownership and use are one of the great hallmarks for American liberty and our unprecedented peace and prosperity as a people.

This event will safely discharge over 50,000,000 "rounds" from firearms in the space of two hours without harm or injury to those taking part at any official shooting range around the country. This in itself will send a powerful message regarding firearm safety and responsible use by law abiding citizens.

So, on this Father's Day, and on every ensuing Father's Day, let us stand as father's for family and liberty. Let us stand with our wives, brothers, sisters, children, relatives and friends. Let us send 50 million rounds down range collectively at firing ranges all over this nation to demonstrate our resolve and the true meaning of our 2nd amendment rights."
The effort, which officially started on Tuesday, May 16th, had already garnered the support of a number of conservative web sites, gun shops, firing ranges, and conservative media outlets.

For more information, please visit www.50mrmarch.com

fjolnirsson
June 8, 2004, 07:30 PM
Mods, can we float this a while? It's kind of an ongoing thing. I'd actually like to restrict posting here to myself and SM, with other folks chiming in on the call to Rock thread. I don't know if that's possible.

Moparmike
June 8, 2004, 08:55 PM
Count me in on this!

I whipped up an ugly brick photo in Photoshop. I will try to clean it up a little. The reason it doesnt look brick-like is because I had to draw the brick from scratch. :)

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?postid=1049740

Moparmike
June 8, 2004, 09:28 PM
Maybe someone can give it a brick texture. I have all the .psd's for someone to tinker with.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?postid=1049786

What do yall think?

CrudeGT
June 8, 2004, 10:12 PM
Can you get a pic of an actual brick? and write the words on that? I can send you a pic if you'd like. It would not be until tomorrow, but I can take a pic tomorrow and e-mail it to ya. You can add it to that image of the broken glass and than add the wording. let me know.

Moparmike
June 8, 2004, 10:15 PM
Yeah, I could do that. Could you get the brick to be angled like the one in my PS'ed image?

Art Eatman
June 8, 2004, 11:21 PM
Okay, stuck. Let further posts be only those from sm and old what's-his-name. :D:D:D Okay, fjolnirsson.

Do the "I'm in!" via PM or email, okay?

Or comment pro/con in the other thread, the URL of which is:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85824

Art

fjolnirsson
June 9, 2004, 12:31 AM
Thanks, Art.

sm
June 9, 2004, 01:58 AM
Check your PM

[ hey I cheat - I cut&paste fjol name] :D

Oleg...anyone? ... have a pic showing the oppressed fighting with rocks, bricks and sticks against armed troops?

I'm still thinking.

I still like Art's idea about business cards asking why Congress Critter's cannot use Whamo Wrist rockets is a good one... :D :D

firearms_instructor
June 9, 2004, 02:22 AM
"handle it as little as possible (you'd be surprised how many places a finger print can be lifted from"

Good advice, in these times of heightened terrorist threat awareness. What about licking the envelope? Is the FBI lab likely to try to get a DNA sample from the envelope adhesive? Could they?

CYA, doncha know...

jimpeel
June 9, 2004, 03:30 AM
Oleg...anyone? ... have a pic showing the oppressed fighting with rocks, bricks and sticks against armed troops?
That would be Budapest, Hungary, 1956. and Tienenmen Square, 1989.

Dave Markowitz
June 9, 2004, 09:27 AM
I emailed Kim du Toit a link to this thread. I'm hoping that he can help raise awareness with his large reader base. I'm also going to link to it from my site.

sm
June 9, 2004, 12:50 PM
I have had a bunch of correspondence to read through. I apologize if I have not responded.

I have decided to do what I have always done. I ask for some SAGE advice. I have rec'd some, and am waiting on other replies.

I grew up listening to my "elders". Those that know me understand I do NOT mean offense by this. I use this in a respectful way. It does not refer age in years only. It refers to those with knowledge, experience and expertise in an area (s).

Unexpected, organized, timed delivery is important IMO.

Kinda like when the in-laws show up without warning. That will get your head to spin ...:)

Daedalus
June 9, 2004, 12:54 PM
One of the windows of my house recently broke so I have the shards from that, I also have a brick I found in my back yard (No, the two are not connected).

There really isnt much room to write on these things and have it be effective so I recommend something short and sweet. I am going to do a quick a photo shoot so you guys can get an idea of what I have to offer...

How about :

"AMENDMENT II -
...SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"

Daedalus
June 9, 2004, 01:17 PM
The brick is blank, I did this text in photoshop. I am trying to capture the middle of the night, brick and glass on the carpet illuminated by flashlight thing but I am pretty inexperienced with cameras.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=1050840

sm
June 9, 2004, 01:25 PM
What my mind was picturing all along. Hand written, short and sweet, an inperfect brick...

Mike and others did a great job! I thank Mike and the others.

I really like the realism of this one!! It gives the sense this brick did in fact go through a window.

Where is the smiley with the "Don't Tread On Me" flag in hand when I need it?

Thanks!!!

fjolnirsson
June 9, 2004, 01:52 PM
Love the shards of glass!
Awesome!

fjolnirsson
June 9, 2004, 02:00 PM
I've got a good journalist in mind now, but I'm waiting on some legal advice before making any moves. We want lots of "bricks" going to each target every time, so we're waiting to get a little bigger, as well. Thank you to everyone who is in so far. We can do this. It's gonna be great.

sm
June 9, 2004, 02:27 PM
Still waiting on some replies myself.

I have forwarded the pic with brick and shards of glass to a few for clarification on legal opinions and other input as well.

Err...some of you "Sages" I referred to earlier...just contact me...since you "just happen" to frequent this forum anyway.

:D

I have to leave for a bit. Oh boy. I get to go to place with metal detectors...what else can I put in my pockets to set that thing off?....:p

I like to put my Zippo in my shirt pocket for times like this...I might as well get my money's worth of entertainment and driving folks nuts. Pockets are empty and the boy still beeps...we have his pen...< guards scratch heads> ;)

Jim March
June 9, 2004, 03:29 PM
Ummm...this is bad PR waiting to happen, folks.

The grabbers are going to have a field day with the mainstream media fallout (which they themselves will organize of course).

We don't NEED desperation measures.

jimpeel
June 9, 2004, 04:19 PM
Anyone thinking of sending shards of glass with their rock should refrain from such actions. If just one letter opener in the mail room gets cut it will be disastrous. They will make it out like we are trying to harm people and that we are going to do the same with firearms. They will say that this is a warning that we will hurt more innocent people and next time we will do it with those evil guns. They will say that we are sending "crystaline substances" through the mail that resemble dangerous chemicals. Whole mail rooms and post offices will be evacuated wholesale.

Anything we mail to any legislator will not be opened by them but by the people in the mail room.

Daedalus
June 9, 2004, 05:31 PM
Ummm...this is bad PR waiting to happen, folks.

The grabbers are going to have a field day with the mainstream media fallout (which they themselves will organize of course).

We don't NEED desperation measures.

I understand your viewpoint here and I agree with it to a degree. However do you realize you sort of sound like the lawyer in Midnight Express, right?

"Be good, the judge he likes you, you will be out soon"

I am on the fence with this one as to whether or not it is a good idea. I just thought helping the organizers of this with a good image is the least I could do.

sumpnz
June 9, 2004, 06:04 PM
Umm, I thought the idea here was to send a picture of a brick/rock, not an actual brick/rock. A piece of paper with a non-threatening message, and a media campaign to ensure the message is percieved as non-threatening is the whole attraction. The only threat that should ever be taken from such a message should be that the individual would lose their job at the next election if they didn't reform their ways.

fjolnirsson
June 9, 2004, 07:22 PM
Nobody here is advocating that people send shards of glass. The glass was in a photo of a brick.
Bad PR?
Right now we have NO PR. Bad PR, in my opinion is a little better. Folks don't even realize there is an issue right now. Also, that is why we are using a journalist to explain before the fact, so that we have pre-empted the media spin. Nobody is threatening anybody. What we are doing, is telling various lawmakers that we are watching, and we are willing to take a stand on this issue.
For too long, gun owners have tried to be quiet, hoping we could pacify the grabbers if we don't make noise.
News Flash! It ain't working!
The politicians see us being good little boys and girls, and they think we are happy with how things are going. Enough of us obviously at the polls, so we must be happy, right?
This is a way for folks to get involved that doesn't require time and effort. If there is anything I have learned in my 29 years of life, it is that most people are lazy to one extent or another. Not necessarily a bad thing. Laziness is the mother of innovation.
We are not doing anything illegal. We are not doing anything "immoral". We are sending a message. The 2nd amendment shall not be infringed. So far as I know, nothing is illegal about quoting the BOR.
The left has made great advances by making themselves heard.
We have lost much ground through being quiet and not "rocking the boat".
Even many of our own are disturbed at the thought of open carry. Why is that?
No. Bad PR, I don't buy it. I just don't buy it.
A press release is being issued, with a statement of our intent.
We aren't blowing anything up. We aren't stopping traffic during the San Fransisco commute.
Hel, we aren't even picketing anybody.
We are sending letters. As protests go, ours is pretty da$$ tame. An armed march on the Capitol building, now that would be bad PR. We aren't doing that, though.
We're sending freakin' letters.
I guess the point I'm making is, if we can't send a letter without fear of reprisal, we're already subjects, no longer citizens.

Now that you've read all of this, please post any comments or discussion to the other thread:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=1051486#post1051486
This thread was to be for updates from myself and sm.
Thank you for your help and comments.

sm
June 9, 2004, 09:14 PM
I have been receiving some excellent replies and suggestions from my "Sages".

I'm working on it...really I am.

What do you think of a NON- threatening "Pic" or "Pics" , one that re -enforces ALL Liberties, and one while re-enforcing All Liberties refers to the Second Amendment ?

Okay so I kinda sorta moved away from the Window War. The thread, the posts from that thread is what started my juices to flow.

WE THE PEOPLE are concerned with a LOT of political concerns in regard to Liberties. Second Amendment is the keystone atop the rest of them . IMO

What I'm working on is simple. We will each have these pics. We can still all send to the same person at the same time.

Now if for instance one chose to use this as letterhead and use on a Word document to whomever...with a "form letter".

One is not suposed to say "I". I want to keep it legal. I want the folks that receive correspondence to take note of the civility, the class, the way MY View are expressed.

In no way am I going to be percieved as a knuckle dragging, gun nut, threatening folks. NO MY sterotype...My Profile is going to be "damn- this fella knows what is what, I'm not fooling him with my lies and deceit, my goodness this fella voted me in and he can vote me out". I better listen , I best read the Constitution or I'm going to be flipping burgers come election time". That is what I want MY message to send.

This is no more a threat than one getting aform letter from a Organization they do not believe in or support. It does send a message.

I recieve mail all the time with Postage stamps, return labels, stationary with logos...supporting a cause.

I just don't recieve 200 in one day is all...:D

I'm still waiting on some things. I have to 1) get out these clothes and get some jeans on 2) I have to try Barnes & Noble ...or somewhere [ B&N didn't have last time I looked] for something.

sm
June 9, 2004, 09:28 PM
For Goodness sakes...don't be sending Feinstien burger flippers - yet. :D

Harry Tuttle
June 9, 2004, 11:43 PM
y'all need to read up on the 50 million round march

http://www.freewebz.com/jeffhead/50mrmarch/

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15397

In addition to target shooting, each event would include a letter-writing campaign directed at congressional representatives and senators, as well as state governors and the U.S. president, informing them of the shooter's participation in the event and their "insistence that infringements on this constitutional right cease."

"As a memento of the event, the participants will include either one of their used targets with their letters or two spent cartridges in a mailer box with their letters," said a statement.

Officials said they did not want shooters to send in silhouette targets -- targets with outlines in the shape of a person -- or live ammunition, only spent cartridges and simple paper targets with "bull's-eye-type" centers or images. Organizers also ask that participants do not send threatening letters or images such as actual photographs of lawmakers or officials with bullet holes in them. Organizers have already designed a sample target participants can download and use.

sm
June 9, 2004, 11:52 PM
Okay - I am stupid.

I was sent a pic. I saved the attachement and saved to disk. the Attachment was Word.

So I open the Word Document all I can see is :

Quick Time ( tm) and a TIFF ( uncompressed) decompressor are needed to see this picture

Okay, I have Quick Time ( tm) . Let me rephrase - I have "something" Quick Time ( tm) . I have to have Quick Time( tm) and Real Player ( tm) along with XPPro and IE 6 to take IT classes. Ha Ha ...laugh all you want.

I'm in the midst of seeking any updates. If I get one more preview of ...I don't know what or whom.... whatever makes a lot of racket and gets paid for doing so. :)

Harry Tuttle
June 10, 2004, 06:49 AM
http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/jmo1103l.jpg
Whole sentences are a nice thing.
They allow others to understand and participate in the discussion, instead of watching a stream of angst from the sidelines.

It sounds like you are default saving the attachment as a .doc for M$ word.

The attachment may not be a .doc file.

It maybe a compressed zip carrier file holding several jpgs.

Wanna picture of a brick?
http://images.google.com/images?q=brick&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search
Results 1 - 20 of about 129,000 for brick
http://images.vnunet.com/v6_image/ca/pics/brick.gif

It sounds like you are attempting to organize a national writing campaign
with a bunch of enthusiasm and little practical experience. There are a ton of experienced folkes on this forum, but y'all are going to need to organize your message to us in a manner that effectively communicates the parameters of the operation. Covert style thread hopping seems a tad frenetic. Do you have the ability to set up a website using Jeff Head's 50MRM as an example?

Oleg Volk
June 10, 2004, 12:11 PM
Bricks references are a bad idea -- the elected things will think about Kristallnacht or Intifadah. Just write letters. Illustrate them, if you wish, but in a clear, non-threatening manner.

IAJack
June 10, 2004, 02:17 PM
NUTS, big walnuts painted saftey orange - get it?

Attach then with a string to a note card and our message?

sm
June 10, 2004, 02:56 PM
Bricks references are a bad idea -- the elected things will think about Kristallnacht or Intifadah. Just write letters. Illustrate them, if you wish, but in a clear, non-threatening manner.
Oleg is correct.

Inspired by the The Window War, I broke one of MY first rules, which is to NOT React / Respond without thinking matters through first.

I screwed up , and for this I apologize and take full responsibility.

NO excuses, no rationalization of my thinking, no qualifrications for actions.

Admit I messed up , apologize, accept the consequences, learn from it and move on.

Intent of the user defines the outcome of the use of any tool, object, or word.

I had good intentions with using an image for a tool to convey a message. The Truth of the matter is, We The People , whether we like it or not are in fact, Stereotyped.

Researching , asking for help and ideas from those more learned and experinced I learned some things. I should have done this first, I should have already known by using history, learning by the mistakes of others and some I should have simply trusted my gut.

The lessons and advice I have received is simple, Oleg stated it very concise in his post which I put in quote.

I wanted to deviate from the Window War a work of fiction, for a number of reasons, I will not go into all, but mention one that was pointed out to me.

"We have a bunch of gun whackos that cannot think for themselves, reading a bunch of fiction and getting all riled up and breaking laws."

All right by gawd, that crossed the line in the sand with me. I became "unhappy" with We The People, being perceived this way, this time I gave some thought before having a reaction.

We have the Constitution, The Bill of Rights, and clearly written is WE THE PEOPLE. We have Liberties and Rights. Our Forefathers did not want us to become from whence we came - Tyranny.

An organized letter writing campaign, to specific elected persons directly involved with a specific Liberty or Right being infringed. At any time one of these is threatened every single day with legislation that goes against that which was written on an old parchment so many years ago.

With a picture of our rights and the particular one being threatened "magnified" sent as the message itself, or used as a letterhead with a short well written form letter sent by WE The People is a better idea.

Two , three hundred , four hundred of these sent to amplify our disgust in regard to AWB, to Feinstein, RNC, or name the person or infringement.

Now who is the "whacko" ? If one tells the truth - one does not have to remember the lie.

NO threats, nothing illegal, the only implications , threats or ill actions are those that are committed by those "elected " to represent us - WE The People.

This experience also revealed to me something I must have buried - denial if you will. I have a goal, a dream if you will. I have something I want to do, I have to be honest and admit I do not have the skills and education to do this - yet.

I will therefore do as I have all along, do what I can in support of those more learned and experienced. I admit I am not one of the learned and experienced.

Regards,

Steve.

palehorse
June 10, 2004, 03:05 PM
"He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures."

"He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries."

"He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power."

"For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments"

We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity.

Are we waiting until the entire list will be realized again?

fjolnirsson
June 10, 2004, 05:40 PM
Bricks references are a bad idea -- the elected things will think about Kristallnacht or Intifadah. Just write letters. Illustrate them, if you wish, but in a clear, non-threatening manner.

Moving away from "the window war" idea is fine with me, but I don't think a simple letter is sufficient. I envision the sending of the brick as a reminder that this country was built upon the strong foundation of the Constitution. If you remove any of the "bricks",i.e, the 2nd amendment, the foundation begins to crumble, and soon the entire structure must topple.
This is a non threatening message.
It is simple, something easily articulated by our media representative.
Easy to reproduce and send.
Instantly recongnizable.

If politicians want to get all paranoid and think of Kristalnacht or whatever, if they feel threatened and start carping to the media, let them. Our position will already have been firmly stated, and they will come off to Joe average as fools. All the better.
Moreover, a photoshopped brick and it's message will be easily understood by the masses. It is easily relayed in a 10 second sound byte on the local news.
I say we stay with the Photoshopped brick idea. Perhaps with BOR or some such on it, to represent the entire Bill Of Rights. I think the basic idea is sound.
I don't propose to huddle in a corner the rest of my life in fear of what people might think.

Moparmike
June 10, 2004, 07:10 PM
and they will come off to Joe average as fools. All the better.No offense, but you obviously havent been paying attention to just how dumb "Joe Average" is and how he soaks up what the media (who wouldnt have a reason to lie or twist facts in his eyes) tells him.:scrutiny:

Foreign Devil
June 10, 2004, 07:28 PM
The average American is not dumb, he just doesn't have enough time to investigate all the details of every policy proposal. If we were to sit down with Joe Average and explain to them the stupidity behind this law he would probably agree with us, I'm betting. Unfortunately that takes time. Anti gunners just have to put up a picture of a scary looking gun and a tearful victim to convince people that these "weapons of war" should be banned.

fjolnirsson
June 10, 2004, 07:46 PM
The average American is not dumb, he just doesn't have enough time to investigate all the details of every policy proposal. If we were to sit down with Joe Average and explain to them the stupidity behind this law he would probably agree with us, I'm betting. Unfortunately that takes time. Anti gunners just have to put up a picture of a scary looking gun and a tearful victim to convince people that these "weapons of war" should be banned.

Exactly. Joe average doesn't have the time to examione the facts and read or listen to a letter. A 10 second sound byte about foundation and bricks etc, can be absorbed fairly quickly and easily.

And how he soaks up the media tells him.

Exactly. Which is why we will get our media endorsed version out first. Once our version is relayed, the other side is on damage control and attempted reversal of "known facts". Much harder than preemptively writing us off as loons.

Flyboy
June 11, 2004, 05:50 PM
...does have the potential to be viewed as threat, especially in any sort of context with broken glass or such. However, they can also be a wonderfully concrete (no pun intended) symbol, with the right accompanying material. To that end, I propose something like the attached image (sorry, couldn't figure out how to get it into the body; it's a picture of a brick wall, with one brick missing). Somebody else suggested the "foundation" motif; I think this would bring that idea to bear, and remove the "weapon" or "vandalism" thoughts. Caption the image to the effect of "Hey, Bill, you really ought to have somebody look at that foundation!" (replace "Bill" with the name of the recipient), and it's a message that's impossible to ignore. By sending an actual brick (with "2nd Amendment" written thereupon), we stand out--dramatically--from the hundreds/thousands of other letters received every day. Even if it's only staffers/interns opening and reading the mail, word will get around, quickly. "Hey, did you guys get any bricks in the mail? Yeah, me too." People talk about the unusual. A letter, even a picture, isn't unusual. A three-pound hunk of clay or concrete is. By sticking in their minds, we take control of the conversation; if they're all talking about us, we've A) raised awareness of our issue, B) put that issue ahead of the others, and C) shown a large number of interested parties (if we coordinate it correctly). I just think having a solid, tangible symbol--something unique, something that can't be ignored, would be useful.

Just my two cents, anyway.

fjolnirsson
June 11, 2004, 06:06 PM
I really like the actual brick for the reasons you mentioned. However, for logistical reasons, I feel that the picture will work out better for mass mailings. I've been thinking of perhaps doing special mailings to severe "offenders" once in awhile.

jimpeel
June 11, 2004, 06:26 PM
From the get-go I envisioned that we would be sending a small, smooth river rock of about 2 inches with "2nd Amend" or "2 Amend" or "2nd Amendment" scrawled on it with a magic marker; and perhaps http://www.lizmichael.com/windowwa.htm on the other.

How we ever got to bricks I have no idea. I guess it was a natuar escalation which is what we are usually accused of.

Sending a small rock is non-threatening, and can be mailed anonymously at any mailbox because it does not exceed the 8 oz. limit for being placed in a mailbox.

I'm still in favor of the 2" rock but bricks? I don't think so. Pictures of bricks? Ditto.

Flyboy
June 11, 2004, 07:14 PM
I don't presume to speak for others, but I prefer the brick to the rock because bricks are commonly recognized as building materials; rocks, less so. Doubly true if you're going to write "2nd Amend." on them, and infinitely more so if you include a link to the Window War. By including any reference to that, you imply a threat: "this rock is a warning; this story is what's next." We can't afford to imply violence or coercion; we're the good guys in this fight. The "building materials" metaphor is the reason I'm so enamored of the wall idea (derived from the "foundation" idea). Such a metaphor "disarms" the object, and makes it not only a peaceful object, but ties it in as a critical part our founding principles.

As far as mailing the bricks--or anything else--goes, yes, logistics could be a problem. Personally, I'm willing to send a couple dozen of them. Postage for an 8"x4"x3" package weighing 3lb 15oz, within the general area (i.e. within the state) is under five bucks, and under eight to the Capitol (from Oklahoma), assuming Parcel Post. Add about a dollar for Priority. Figure four people to send to (Congressman, two Senators, and the President), you're under twenty bucks.

But, again, that's just my thinking, and I'm a new guy. I still have a lot to learn from the people who've been around for a while.

ReadyontheRight
June 11, 2004, 08:51 PM
Sending either a brick of a rock seems to me as if it would backfire. Have you ever seen a "good guy" throw a brick through a window in a movie? It's a U.S. cultural icon with a negative connotation.

How about we all send a copy of the Bill of Rights on one date, a copy of one of Oleg's posters another date, a copy of this http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=86375 poster another day and so on.

I also prefer to attach my name to anything sent to congress critters.

sm
June 11, 2004, 09:00 PM
First I want to say what a pleasure to speak on the phone with you the other day. Take care of the Wife and that 2 month old.

I expressed my concerns, and reservations during that call.

Folks - fjolnirsson, is a good man. He has the reins.

Me...well, I shared with fjolnirsson some of my thinking, some of what makes me what I am. Always been one to hang with the older folks, dunno, just have. I tend to just do things my way and not give a hoot what folks think -

I deal with reality.

Yep, while some folks are stepping and fetching, bitching and griping...I just do stuff . I do stuff like walk in like I own the joint in the midst of anti- gun , gun lock "meeting" and set a fire extinguisher on the diaz with a trigger lock - no key and walk off.

Security guard asks me as I head out what good a lock on the FE is if one needs in a hurry...everybody is buzzing the same words...I never said a word, I never answered...as far as I know damn thing still has a lock on it...I tossed the key long before I showed up with it....

Some of the states fighting for CCW rec'd a envelope of cash, the local schools of some places whining about guns,schools and arming teachers around the country got a copy of Innocents Betrayed ...Some elected officals got a copy of their sworn oath to office, along with the BoR...I used a highlighter to point out some stuff...

I guess the gal that knew me best both heart and soul called me Lobo for a reason. Just tend to get on my horse and ride off and do my thing, oh I'm on the same side, I'm around doing support, scoutin' around...might be fella doing the unexpected...not getting any attention, don't want attention, I want results.

Ya'll take care. Like a good friend says around here...Stay low and watch your back.

Moparmike
June 12, 2004, 09:59 PM
So is this dead in the water?

fjolnirsson
June 12, 2004, 10:06 PM
I've just had a very busy couple of days. I'm also waiting to hear from a couple of people. I'll be updating soon. Thanks for your patience.

Moparmike
June 12, 2004, 10:13 PM
Post took like 20min to show up, and never went to the thread. Hence, double tap.

achadwick
July 1, 2004, 02:48 AM
fjolnirsson,

I've been out of town a few weeks away from my computer.

Status?

ravinraven
July 1, 2004, 06:21 AM
Dead.

rr

fjolnirsson
July 1, 2004, 07:20 AM
Howdy!
I'm still trying to get some legal advice, but nobody wants to do it free for the RKBA cause, not even so-called pro-rkba folks. Not that I blame them, they went to law school, I didn't. But it is damn frustrating.
In the meantime, I'm working on a letter to our journalist of choice, to enlist his help. Gotta get a new photo, and we're in business.

It isn't dead in the water, just stalled. I'm also working around a 2 month old baby, my own struggle to get ccw, financial trouble, and starting a new job. Learning German.
I've got a lot on my plate.
Oh, yeah. Studying for ordainment.
So, I'll let you know. Hopefully soon.
Byron

Not dead. Not by a long shot.

ravinraven
July 1, 2004, 09:30 AM
Just kicking the cage to see how the birds are doing.

I had noticed that it had gotten a bit late to do something for the fourth of July.

I think it's a good idea. I do wonder why Jim March thinks not.

And, glory of glories. Hitlary is coming to my far flung county on the fifth of July. She did that two years ago on the 5th. Luckily, I was outtahere then. I've got to think of some place to go Monday.

She's gonna besmirch the Fredrick Remington Art Gallery. Fred was from this area. I can think of a fitting memorial for that place involving that family name, but unfortunately it's not PC.

It would be nice to hit her with the original brick and have copies show up everywhere else at the same time.

Oh, well.

rr

fjolnirsson
October 23, 2004, 10:00 PM
So is this dead in the water?

Yep.

At least for a while. After I get to Oregon, I'll try again.

walking arsenal
October 23, 2004, 10:30 PM
I'm game, keep us posted

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