Taking a shot at buying a gun


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gun-fucious
February 12, 2003, 12:07 AM
John Grogan | Taking a shot at buying a gun
By John Grogan
Inquirer Columnist
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/5151616.htm

"I want to buy a shotgun," I said.

The young man at the Wal-Mart sporting-goods counter didn't miss a beat. "What did you have in mind?" he asked, unlocking the gun case.

His name was Bob and he sported bleached hair and baggy, low-slung pants. I asked to see the cheapest shotgun he had. Bob pulled out a single-shot, 20-gauge New England brand with a price tag of $85.

Such a deal. I had come prepared to spend a few hundred.

Bob placed it in my hands. I didn't try to hide my ignorance. "How do you load this thing?" I asked.

He showed me how to break open the barrel, slide in a shell, click it shut. "Then you're set to go," Bob said.

I had come to this Wal-Mart near Quakertown, in Upper Bucks County, as a customer to see just how easy - and fast - it was to buy a weapon.

What brought me here was the suicide of Richard Lee of Willow Grove.

On Feb. 2, police say, Lee, 25, walked into a Wal-Mart in Horsham and, after passing an instant background check, bought a 20-gauge shotgun. He then drove to a Wal-Mart in Warminster, where he bought shells.

From there, he drove directly to Cavalier Telephone in Warminster, which had laid him off, and began firing. The final round, police say, was for himself.

Blessedly, no one was present for the Sunday night rampage, and Lee was the only casualty. But it doesn't take much imagination to picture what could have been had he arrived during work hours.

No hard questions

And so on Friday I went to Wal-Mart to experience firsthand the safeguards that failed to save Richard Lee from himself. I sighted briefly down the barrel, then said, "OK, I'll take it." I had been at the counter for four minutes.

I was waiting for Bob to grill me about my inexperience and motives for wanting a cheap gun. Had I completed a gun-safety course? Did I have any practice handling firearms?

Instead he asked me for two pieces of identification and gave me a federal form that asked a series of yes/no questions intended to root out the unstable and criminally inclined.

Had I ever been convicted of a felony? Ever been the subject of a restraining order? Any history of domestic abuse? Mental illness? Drunken driving? Drug addiction?

If I had evil intent, did they really expect me to answer truthfully?

I handed Bob $2 for the background check and he phoned in my information to the state police's Pennsylvania Instant Check database.

Ten minutes later, he returned with a box and packed my shotgun into it.

"Does this mean I passed?" I asked.

"Yep. No problem," Bob said.

I asked if I could buy shells for the shotgun, too. Bob apologized and said store policy did not allow that.

We wouldn't want people to start shooting until they were safely out of the store now, would we? If the ammunition restriction was meant as a deterrent, it wasn't much of one. There was a Kmart across the street that sold ammunition.

On second thought

Bob rang up my sale, and I reached for my credit card. Once I paid, I was free to walk out with my new weapon.

But I didn't really want this weapon, and at Wal-Mart, as with other gun shops I checked, all gun sales are final. No returns; no exchanges.

And so at the last second, with apologies to Bob for wasting his time, I pulled the plug on my little experiment and walked out of the store empty-handed. The entire process had taken 27 minutes.

Just for kicks, I drove across Route 309, walked into Kmart and bought a box of 25 Winchester Super-X game-load shells for $3.79. No ID required; no questions asked.

On the way home, I wasn't feeling particularly homicidal or suicidal or deranged. But had I been - and had I not aborted my shotgun sale at the last moment - I would have been, in Bob's words, "set to go."

I later checked with the state police in Harrisburg, who confirmed that Bob had properly done everything the law asks of him. Pennsylvania requires no gun-safety training. No proof of competence. No cooling-off period. Not even an overnight delay. Just 27 minutes and two forms of ID.

That wasn't enough to stop Richard Lee. And it won't be enough to stop the next Richard Lee, either.
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John Grogan writes Monday, Tuesday and Friday. Contact him at 610-313-8132 or jgrogan@phillynews.com.

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Zundfolge
February 12, 2003, 12:25 AM
Excerpts from Mr. Grogan's future articles...


I walked into the Barns & Noble, walked right into the Religious books section and picked up a Bible ... went to the counter and bought it.

No hard questions

I was waiting for Joe to grill me about my inexperience and motives for wanting a copy of the Bible. Had I completed a theology class? Did I have any practice handling deep philosophical subjects?

I later checked with the state police in Harrisburg, who confirmed that Joe had properly done everything the law asks of him. Pennsylvania requires no theological training. No proof of competence. No cooling-off period. Not even an overnight delay. Just 2 minutes and no ID.


I walked into the Best Buy, walked right into the and picked up a Macintosh ... went to the counter and bought it.

No hard questions

I was waiting for Fred to grill me about my inexperience and motives for wanting a Mac instead of a PC. Had I completed a computer class? Did I have any practice handling Mac OS?

I later checked with the state police in Harrisburg, who confirmed that Fred had properly done everything the law asks of him. Pennsylvania requires no computer training. No proof of competence. No cooling-off period. Not even an overnight delay. Just 2 minutes and no ID.


Nothing annoys me more then people who are just aghast that we live in a free country :rolleyes:

Kharn
February 12, 2003, 07:18 AM
The Warminster Walmart? I remember Warminster having a Kmart (havent lived there in 7 years) but not a Wally World, guess my grandparents arent keeping us updated on the news of the town. I used to live right in that area...

Kharn

Bainx
February 12, 2003, 07:41 AM
Wow, walking into Walmart and buying a shot gun!
What a country!

publius
February 12, 2003, 08:12 AM
He doesn't say what laws and procedures he thinks might stop the next suicidal maniac.

We already have enough rules to make buying a gun pretty ridiculous some times. I bought myself a shotgun at Wal Mart recently. I later changed my mind about the gun, and gave it to my sweetie as a birthday present. If I had walked in the store intending to buy it as a birthday present, that would have been illegal, but I'd never do anything like that. ;)

The way I did it, it was perfectly legal. :rolleyes: Well, except for the part where they insisted I give them my socialist security number. The form says it's "optional" and my card is one of the old ones with the law printed right on it:

http://www.websitesbytom.com/funimages/socseccard.jpg

I showed them my DL and my FL CWP, so I took the time to show the man the card, and read the lower right corner to him. He looked at it, looked at me like I had been speaking in tongues, and went on about the transaction.

TarpleyG
February 12, 2003, 08:29 AM
Just 27 minutes and two forms of ID.
Even THIS is too much, IMO.

GT

NewShooter78
February 12, 2003, 09:59 AM
What kills me about these anectdotes is that they always ingnore the larger questions. When did it become the gov't's job to be the social parent to everyone. What would a waiting period have done to stop this guy. He apparently had thought this out pretty thoroughly if he knew that he would have to go do a different store and buy the ammo. Some people are just disturbed, and that won't be caught by just a simple question on a form. Why should the salesman worry about the guys dyed hair and baggy clothes? If he had, wouldn't that have just been discriminatory? Bob is what all salesman at the gun counter should be like: friendly, courteous, and helpful.

Maybe if the guy who wrote the story would have kept the shotgun and learned to like shooting as a sport he could have figured out why the 2nd Amendment is so important.

This guy should write an article about all the non-violent suicides that happen every year. Or violent ones that involve other inanimate objects. He could write about the guys out there with restraining orders who know they can't buy a gun who instead use knives or baseball bats to kill their estranges spouses and/or families.

:banghead: :fire: :cuss:

Carlos Cabeza
February 12, 2003, 10:22 AM
That article sickens me............The man was going to commit suicide whatever method he chose. The return to his former place of employment could have resulted in an ex-coworker using his CCW:rolleyes: I'm glad he's out of the genepool.......He could have been another ward of the nannystate government, further burdening the sane taxpayers. The percentage of people this man represents is so small that I find the reporting party deceitful and disgusting.

Don Gwinn
February 12, 2003, 12:43 PM
If he'd bought five gallons of gas and a book of matches, they wouldn't even have done a background check.

Blackhawk
February 12, 2003, 12:49 PM
Note that both weenies DROVE multi thousand pound lethal weapons to Wal-Mart and elsewhere to buy his suicide weapon.

There are MANY ways to off yourself, if that's what you're intent on doing. Suicide is said to be a cowardly choice, but it's not nearly as cowardly as this weenie picking on the ease of obtaining an irrelevant tool.

Hint: Guns DO NOT attack their owners or anybody else. They're just machines or tools.

Boats
February 12, 2003, 02:40 PM
John Grogan’s Next Article

John Grogan | Taking a shot at reproduction
By John Grogan
Inquirer Columnist

"I want to buy a condom," I said.

The young man at the Wal-Mart pharmacy counter didn't miss a beat. "What did you have in mind?" he asked, unlocking the condom case.

His name was Bob and he sported bleached hair and baggy, low-slung pants. I asked to see the cheapest condoms he had. Bob pulled out a single-shot, Indonesian made brand relabeled “Made in America” with a price tag of $2.50

Such a deal. I had come prepared to spend a few more bucks, big spender that I am.

Bob placed them in my hands. I didn't try to hide my ignorance. "How do you load these things?" I asked.

He showed me how to break open the package, and demonstrated with his finger. "There, you're set to go," Bob said. Now I only had eleven left.

I had come to this Wal-Mart near Quakertown, in Upper Bucks County, as a customer to see just how easy - and fast - it was to buy a cheap condom. In the newsroom we call them “Saturday Night Specials” though none of us aging Boomers really knows why.

What brought me here was the murder of Richard Babee, age 2, of Willow Grove.

According to paternity records, police say Richard’s father, Mark Babee, 25, had sex out of wedlock but his cheap Wal-Mart condom failed and he sired Richard. Last week, after what police say was increasingly violent abuse, Mark kicked baby Richard so hard in the abdomen he killed him.

From there, he drove directly to a local construction site near where he worked as an assembler of circuit boards and burned the boy’s body.

Unfortunately, no one was present to save Richard, and fortunately he was the only casualty. But it doesn't take much imagination to picture what could have been had Mark needed governmental permission to have intimate relations.

No hard questions.

And so on Friday I went to Wal-Mart to experience firsthand the safeguards that failed to save Richard from his infanticidal father. I sighted briefly down the unrolled condom on my finger, then said, "OK, I'll take 'em." I had been at the counter for four minutes.

I was waiting for Bob to grill me about my inexperience and motives for wanting a cheap condom. Had I completed a sexual education course? Did I have any practice handling women? What if I had a baby I couldn't deal with?

Instead he asked me for two pieces of identification for the check I was writing and I took possession.

I then went to the County Clerk’s office. “I’d like to get married and have a child,” I said. “You don’t have to get married in this state to have a child.” Mary said.

I fully expected some harder questioning. Had I ever been convicted of a felony? Ever been the subject of a restraining order? Any history of domestic abuse? Mental illness? Drunken driving? Drug addiction?

If I had evil intent, did they really expect me to answer truthfully?

Instead, the clerk told me that a marriage license was $35.00. I was incredulous, "Does this mean I passed?" I asked.

"What, are you an idiot?” Mary said, “this isn’t an exam.”

I asked if I could just rent a hooker as my bride and have her sign the license. Mary rolled her eyes and said as long as she passed the blood test anything goes.

“We don’t have any interest in the character of your lucky bride, why would we?” If this lack of interest in my intentions should I become a father to an abused child was meant as a deterrent, it wasn't much of one. There was a hooker across the street that sold her wares.

On second thought. . . .

Mary rang up my sale, and I reached for my credit card. Once I paid, I was free to walk out with my new license to procreate.

But I didn't really want this license, and at the County Offices, as with other governmental services I checked, all license sales are final. No returns; no exchanges.

And so at the last second, with apologies to Mary for wasting her time, I pulled the plug on my little experiment and walked out of the office empty-handed. The entire process had taken 27 minutes. All I had to show for it was some unregistered condoms.

Just for kicks, I drove across Route 309, walked into Kmart and bought a box of 25 more condoms for $3.79. No ID required; no questions asked. Again, an odd number seeing how I only have ten fingers and ten toes.

On the way home, I wasn't feeling particularly homicidal or suicidal or deranged. But had I been - and had I not aborted my fatherhood drive at the last moment - I would have been, in Bob's words, "set to go."

I later checked with the state police in Harrisburg, who confirmed that Bob and Mary had properly done everything the law asks of them. Pennsylvania requires no training or permission to have a child. No proof of competence. No cooling-off period. Not even an overnight delay. Just 27 minutes, two forms of ID for a check, a leaky condom, some of that Viagra I have heard about, and a willing partner, (admittedly the most difficult prerequisite for this reporter).

That wasn't enough to stop Mark Babee. And it won't be enough to stop the next Mark Babee, either. Now all I need is to get a date for the first time in 20 years and use this condom on my finger.

BamBam-31
February 12, 2003, 03:04 PM
:D :D Okay, Boats, you turned a bad thread good! :D :D

CatsDieNow
February 12, 2003, 03:24 PM
Did I have any practice handling women?
Geez...I just spit Dr. Pepper all over my work computer monitor. The co-workers are looking at me funny. My guess is that he doesn't.

Good one. :D

braindead0
February 12, 2003, 03:50 PM
Now that's funny.....

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