CIA Director says, "North Korea has a ballistic missile capable of hitting the US"


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SkySlash
February 12, 2003, 01:31 PM
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- North Korea has a ballistic missile capable of hitting the United States, CIA Director George Tenet said Wednesday.

While testifying at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing in Washington, Tenet was asked whether North Korea had a ballistic missile capable of reaching the U.S. West Coast.

"I think the declassified answer, is yes, they can do that," Tenet said.

Moments earlier Tenet said it was likely that North Korea had been able to produce as many as two plutonium-based nuclear weapons.

The revelation came shortly after the United Nations nuclear watchdog agency declared North Korea in breach of international nuclear agreements and sent the issue to the U.N. Security Council.

The International Atomic Energy Agency's 35-nation executive board voted 31-0 to cite Pyongyang for being in breach of U.N. safeguards. Two countries, Russia and Cuba, abstained.

Source (http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/east/02/12/us.nkorea/index.html)


Whoa!

That kinda puts Iraq in a whole new perspective for me. Who is the real threat here? A guy that has the stuff, or a guy who can deliver it express?

Not cool at all!

-SS :uhoh:

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JamisJockey
February 12, 2003, 01:37 PM
We've spent decades pissing off the world, and now the world is ready to pay us back. :banghead:
First step to 'kissing and making up'....disband the UN
Second step, secure our borders by shoring up the economies of our southern neighbors
third step, elect a libertarian president :neener:

Waitone
February 12, 2003, 05:02 PM
Ain't it interestin' how every time Bush ratchets up the pressure on Sadaam, North Korea ratchets up the game with the US.

It started with "Hey, BTW, We got nukes." to "Hey, we're gonna start makin' nukes again." to Hey, watch this, we're restarting a reactor. " to "Hey, we're movin' reactor rods." to "Hey, we got a missile that can hit the US."

The next step will be to announce a missile test featuring a Japan overflight.

I predict we will see an announcement in the near future that Osama and North Korea stand shoulder to shoulder against the American hegemonic horde.

BigG
February 12, 2003, 05:15 PM
What did Ronald Reagan call it, "Axis of Evil?" :D

Tazz10m
February 12, 2003, 05:41 PM
When it really gets down to it, some of these world leaders act flat out suicidal.

You've heard of "suicide by cop"? Well, think in terms of the US being the cop and the North Korean leader as being the suicidal idiot. It's like a punk *donkey* little child that is failing in life and can't have his way, so he is going to get himself killed and take everybody else around him with him because he's afraid to die alone. He doesn't want to go down in history as a big wuss, so he plays the tough guy act. Talk about desperate last ditch efforts. He acts like he has a bad case of "little man syndrome".

...And then there's Saddam Insane... sheeeesh... would somebody please just slap him down?

Big babies! :rolleyes:

Pendragon
February 12, 2003, 05:59 PM
I would gently suggest you review this thread Tazz10m:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5303

standingbear
February 12, 2003, 07:31 PM
north korea.they know what will happen if they launch such a missle.kinda like how children behave when they just want to see how far they can push before they get stopped.i believe if they did launch even a test,over japan,alot of things would change.theyve been given enough rope to hang themselves.

TallPine
February 12, 2003, 07:51 PM
Los Angeles weather report: "cooler this evening, but becoming much, much warmer by tomorrow."

Citadel99
February 12, 2003, 08:13 PM
It started with "Hey, BTW, We got nukes." to "Hey, we're gonna start makin' nukes again." to Hey, watch this, we're restarting a reactor. " to "Hey, we're movin' reactor rods." to "Hey, we got a missile that can hit the US."

This is not new news. That information concerning the rocket was declassified in 2001. While it does seem shocking--we've known this going on two years. Yeah, we let Japan know that there might be a test fire that will go over the mainland.

Personally, I don't foresee them using nuclear weapons on a strike against the Left Coast. They know it would be their demise. They want food and power--they're a third world country with the exception of their military and political leaders. You have one guy who admits he has them and has used them to negotiate for food and energy previously; and another guy who tries to get them time and time again secretly who has a history of killing over a million people, a penchant for regional domination, and using NBC weapons in the past--more so than anyone since WWI. Who should be first on the list? Saddam.

FWIW,

Mark

DeltaElite
February 12, 2003, 08:59 PM
I never liked California anyway. :p

Standing Wolf
February 12, 2003, 09:03 PM
I think North Korea is attempting to commit temporary suicide.

Phyphor
February 12, 2003, 09:19 PM
Ok, it's time for me to beat feet...... I don't see tangling with a ballistic missile with my collection...... :what:

Safety First
February 12, 2003, 09:37 PM
Which should we be the most concerned about? A mad leader who has a missile that can hit us or Maddass, I mean Sadam who can hire someone to bring a nuclear warhead to the U.S. ?

Pilgrim
February 12, 2003, 09:57 PM
Just one missile? We have many.

Bruce

Blackhawk
February 12, 2003, 09:58 PM
NK's had the potential for a while, so that's no surprise. What's liable to surprise them is how difficult it is to fire one successfully and have it reenter half a world away. They wouldn't be around to monitor the reentry, however.

Hkmp5sd
February 12, 2003, 10:18 PM
Bill Clinton provided China with missile technology. The 1999 Cox Report concluded that as a result of China's acquisition of nuclear secrets during the Clinton years, China has for the first time in its history the ability to hit the continental US with nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles. Bill Clinton provided North Korea with nuclear reactors to produce their own weapons grade plutonium. Communist China sells weapons to Communist North Korea. North Korea can now hit the mainland US with nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles

M58
February 12, 2003, 10:33 PM
We lose the west coast...
The down side is ??

Kahr carrier
February 12, 2003, 10:38 PM
Oh Great.:what:

DeltaElite
February 12, 2003, 10:39 PM
The downside is the radioactive fallout that would spread across the rest of the nation. :(

JPM70535
February 12, 2003, 10:55 PM
Trying to decide who is the greater threat,Iraq, or N. Korea is like comparing apples and apples. Niether leader is playing with a full deck. Both are imminently capable of using WMD. The question is which one will act first.

If Iraq is not contained they will most certainly strike out at the US either directly through an act of terrorism , or more likely, at Israel, who they perceive rightly or wrongly as a puppet of the US.
The most likely outcome of an attack againat Israel using WMD is that it would certainly trigger a response by the Israelis, who being in possession of Nukes would not hesitate to use them against the Iraqis. Result IMO would be a radioactive middle east.

In the case of N. Korea, if they are allowed to proceed with their acquisition of Nuclear devices, they will use them, probably against S.Korea. The US, being bound to defend S. Korea will strike back in kind which may or may not trigger a response from China (The unknown quantity). I can't even speculate on the possible consequences of such a scenario.

Which one poses the greater danger? Who do we deal with first?

JohnKSa
February 12, 2003, 11:14 PM
North Korea is upset because when they started playing the games that made Clinton fold and give them more oil, Bush just cut off their oil shipments. To top it off, the current world situation has pretty much shut down their only exports. North Korean exports you ask???--remember the ship full of scuds that Spain stopped? Those were from North Korea. Well, guess what, all of the countries who used to buy North Korean missiles aren't really in a position to do so at the moment, nor in the forseeable future for various reasons...

We don't want to attack North Korea because although they can't win, they can play havoc with South Korea and Japan (giants in the global economy) in the process of losing.

AND, North Korea doesn't want to attack, because it would mean the end of them. China's not going to bail them out again.

North Korea is just making noise trying to get us back to the bargaining table so we will let them start exporting their missiles again and so we will start giving them free oil again.

Bush ain't interested because he knows the score. He knows that the only thing they can really do is make noise and STARVE...

Economics brought the Soviet Union to its knees. We're witnessing the same think happening in North Korea. They're just not taking it as well as Russia did.

Everyone's looking at this like it's all a bunch of disconnected series of unrelated events which just happen to be occuring all at the same time. It's just not so--it never is.

Zorro
February 13, 2003, 12:11 AM
Will switch California to a Republican state if it hits San Francisco, OR Los Angeles.

Would do good if it hit Santa Barbara too!

North Korea is SO CLOSE! to torpedoing the Clinton Legacy.

Or really spelling it out in radiation.

JohnKSa
February 13, 2003, 12:26 AM
Ok, a little plainer...

North Korea clearly has no interest in terrorism, nor can it achieve its ends by bombing the U.S.

Look, if you want to understand a situation, you can't take a single news bite and build a doomsday scenario around it. Things don't happen over night. They develop over years...

Somebody give me one reason why a dictator enamored with all things western, would bomb the U.S.--the country who has kept his country from financially imploding for the last half-decade at least.

Maybe that will coerce us into resuming oil shipments? Maybe then the world will start funneling money and goods into North Korea to reward their creative use of nuclear weapons?

There's a good reason we've not given the North Koreans the time of day (refused to sit down and talk with them). They're impotent and they know it as well as we do.

Look, a dictator rules with the intent of keeping power. Even the dictator of a poor country enjoys a very nice standard of living. Once he nukes someone out of the blue, his reign is over. Even a very stupid dictator understands that and therefore won't do that. Of course, that doesn't mean he won't THREATEN to do it. In this case, he hasn't even really done that.

Hkmp5sd
February 13, 2003, 01:14 AM
North Korea clearly has no interest in terrorism,

That is a major inaccuracy. North Korea has a long and continuing history in terrorism.

In addition, in the spring of 1992, less than one year after the Gulf War and in violation of UN sanctions, North Korea was selling sophisticated weapons systems to Iraq and delivered via Iran. At the top of Iraq's shopping list was F-7 fighters and anti-shipping cruise missiles. And they have not stopped selling them arms to this date.

North Korea *may* be smart enough not to launch a nuclear attack. But Iraq is not and if they convince North Korea to sell them one of those nukes, lots of people are going to die.

Bahadur
February 13, 2003, 09:51 AM
That is a major inaccuracy. North Korea has a long and continuing history in terrorism.Indeed. However, we must qualify that - North Korean terrorism has been targeting South Koreans for the most part. This isn't to say that North Korean terrorism isn't terrible - the human cost has been great - but only that it is limited.
In addition, in the spring of 1992, less than one year after the Gulf War and in violation of UN sanctions, North Korea was selling sophisticated weapons systems to Iraq and delivered via Iran. At the top of Iraq's shopping list was F-7 fighters and anti-shipping cruise missiles. And they have not stopped selling them arms to this date.I wouldn't quite call them "sophisticated weapons." North Korea has no sophisticated weapons research and manufacturing base. It has been quite clever at producing local variants of the 50's and 60's Soviet technology.

Again, this isn't to say that North Korean proliferation of weapons is not a cause for concern - only that they are not sophisticated by 21st Century standards.

seeker_two
February 13, 2003, 10:08 AM
This is not new news. That information concerning the rocket was declassified in 2001. While it does seem shocking--we've known this going on two years.

Actually, this was common knowledge since 1995, according to the CIA. And Klinton still sent them nuclear reactors...:what:

I.R. Iraq & N. Korea: Bush is in the unenviable position of cleaning up the messes Klinton left behind. Iraq will require "strong redirection" and a U.S. presence for a long time. N. Korea, at least, has one viable strategy left--China. China doesn't want a war--esp. a nuclear war-- on its doorstep. That, plus MFN & other trade agreements, will motivate China to step in to quiet NK. To what degree?...:scrutiny:

Poodleshooter
February 13, 2003, 12:29 PM
North Korea's 3 stage rocket has only been launched with a payload one time that I know of. The third stage failed, and the satellite failed to achieve proper orbit. I'm not too worried. Besides, using rockets against the US would be idiotic, since we can detect the launch. Despite a lack of interceptors, there's still fields of Minuteman III's and Peacekeepers that could reduce a good chunk of the world into glass. That's not even counting the Trident's, Tomahawk-N's or old airdroppable MK's.
It's the freighters and small boats that worry me.
A yacht and a fission device is all it takes to turn San Francisco, Seattle or San Diego into funeral pyres. We've got to assume that North Korea's nuke is no larger than our Fat Man was. I've stood next to a model of that, and it's not that big, though weight could be an issue.

Seeker
February 13, 2003, 12:58 PM
The next step will be to announce a missile test featuring a Japan overflight. IIRC they did that a few years ago.

Wombat
February 13, 2003, 02:00 PM
Gee, I wonder if any left-coast whiners might be reconsidering their opposition to Bush's strategic missile defense system? I mean, now that the "real" information sources like their pal Dan Blather have talked about it, it must be more than the vast right-wing conspiracy and deception that it was yesterday.

:rolleyes:

Lord Grey Boots
February 13, 2003, 05:48 PM
The latest is that Japan is talking about doing pre-emptive strike against North Korea

Japanese preemptive strike (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2757923.stm)

benEzra
February 13, 2003, 07:44 PM
Many observers have noted that Japan seems to have quietly cultivated over the years the ability to "join the nuclear club" within 6 months or so of the decision to do so, as a hedge against a future aggressive, nuclear-armed North Korea. They have the weapons-grade plutonium; they reportedly have conservative, validated designs; they have a wide array of potential delivery systems; and they have the technical ability. The only thing they lack is the political will, and an aggressive, nuclear-armed North Korea testing ICBMs over their heads could well provide that.

On the topic of fallout--fallout from a couple of ICBM-deliverable plutonium bombs detonated in Kali, even assuming the worst-case scenario of ground-level detonation, would affect only a TINY percentage of the country's land area, primarily in a narrow streak up to a few hundred miles downwind. For perspective on fallout and dealing with it, see <www.oism.org/nwss/>. This isn't a fringe survivalism source, but a civil defense manual written by ORNL physicists during the height of the Cold War.

bE

Hkmp5sd
February 13, 2003, 08:26 PM
The latest is that Japan is talking about doing pre-emptive strike against North Korea

That's amusing considering the last time they performed a pre-emptive strike, they ate two nuclear bombs.

JohnKSa
February 13, 2003, 10:04 PM
North Korea has NO interest in terrorism. They have a big interest in money, oil and food.

They will sell their missiles to whoever will buy because they need the CASH! They are ENABLING terrorism, but primarily because they need the money badly and don't give a rip about anyone but themselves. Maybe they even get a charge over the way the missiles are used, but that's by far secondary to getting money and goods into their starving country.

What they're doing to South Korea is an extended civil war or border dispute depending on how you look at it--I guess you could call it terrorism, few would. It's certainly not the kind of terrorism the typical American is concerned about.
North Korea *may* be smart enough not to launch a nuclear attack. But Iraq is not and if they convince North Korea to sell them one of those nukes, lots of people are going to die.
On TARGET! And now we begin to see why Iraq has become such a priority for the Bush administration.

They can't attack North Korea without risking a bloodbath which would cripple South Korea and spread to Japan, but they can shut down their exports and eventually the country itself (economically) by eliminating or controlling the countries which import North Korean missiles.

bad_dad_brad
February 13, 2003, 10:27 PM
North Korea is only involved in brinksmanship to get economic aid. Once a country becomes a nuclear power, they would never attack a superior opponent.

Think about it. If the North Koreans lobbed a nuke on our west coast, we would know about it immediately. North Korea would become a parking lot. That is the great thing about nukes and countries. All of the leaders are under the same sword.

The real danger is in clandestine nukes. Say Osama is in Pakistan, and he somehow gets one of their nukes, and that nuke happens to detonate in New York City's harbor inside some obscure sea going ship registered to Liberia. Who do you retaliate against?

Waitone
February 14, 2003, 09:34 AM
The real danger is in clandestine nukes. Say Osama is in Pakistan, and he somehow gets one of their nukes, and that nuke happens to detonate in New York City's harbor inside some obscure sea going ship registered to Liberia. Who do you retaliate against?All terror needs at some level support of an organized state. It is an American mythology that terrorism is a "nut with a gun." It takes a lot of money, time and resources to carry out significant terrorist hit.

What do you retaliate against? The answer is quite simple. You retaliate against those states which encourage, teach, fund and launch terror organizations and actions. The problem is in today's world WMD provide the terror organizations the means of waging asymetical warfare against a major military power. That is why we must neutralize countries like Iraq. Iraq develops the technology of a given WMD and gives it to a terror organization which then detonates it in the US.

Asymetical warfare is unbalanced in both directions. While a stone age tribe can attack a major superstate, the other example of asymetrical warfare is the superstate attacking the stone age tribe IF AND ONLY IF THE SUPERSTATE HAS THE MORAL FIBER TO COMMITT WHAT USED TO BE CONSIDER UNACCEPTABLE CONDUCT IN THE PAST. Asymetrical warfare is a nuke detonation via a donkey in Israel. Asymetical warfare is also a hellfire missile into a midrasa in Saudi Arabia. The west's moral code would be repelled by such an action while Islamofascists would consider the nuke as a righteous hit.

The difference is moral code.

Gray Peterson
February 14, 2003, 11:16 AM
To the various morons who keep making funny jokes about "Oh, who cares, the west coast is a bunch of liberals".

Just remember, a lot of us pro-gun rights folk live in these states, including around the Portland and Seattle area, including myself.

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