All you knife enthusiats...how do you train?


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mons meg
February 12, 2003, 02:37 PM
Assuming you *do* train with knives, how do you go about it? Personally, I have done nothing but Kali, but it seems to me that Kali has good street application.

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HS/LD
February 12, 2003, 02:43 PM
I visualize an attacker in my mind...

Really concentrate....

Then visualize stabbing him as many times as I can in 60 seconds...

I use Bin Laden at the moment but that can be subject to change.


HS/LD

Kevlarman
February 12, 2003, 04:31 PM
I just have a couple folders, so I usually just practice by drawing them from my waistband or front pocket really fast.

Stabbing cardboard boxes gives you quite a workout too.

mons meg
February 12, 2003, 05:11 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of what fighting arts people are practicing, e.g. Kali, WWII combatives, Krav Maga, etc. I see lots of people who talk about collecting all sorts of fighting knives and other blades, and was wondering if people were taking the next logical step and actually learning to use the darn things. ;)

gryphon
February 12, 2003, 06:57 PM
I learned knife fighting as part of my Hapkido training.

AnklePocket
February 12, 2003, 09:42 PM
I do lots of driving so I figure that I'll probably be behind the wheel at a stop light if things go horribly wrong. So I practice deployment, ect. while driving. Of course, I make sure that there are no other motorists around. Can't be more dangerous than a cell phone. I'm the guy that your parents warned you about, I guess.

Guyon
February 13, 2003, 12:21 AM
I practice opening my Benchmade with an air of coolheadedness. :D

mons meg
February 13, 2003, 12:39 AM
Agreed, rapid, precise deployment is very important...so important I hear the Japanese made a whole art for it. ;) What I guess I was more interested in was of the folks who put in the time to do formal training, what "system" they were using. Maybe I should have made this a poll...

I have one vote for Kali (me)

One for Hapkido....interesting...didn't immediately think of that.

So, anyone else care to chime in other than their personal Iado-for-Gerber methods? :)

Gray_Fallen
February 13, 2003, 02:32 AM
My un-armed system of choice is WW-II Combatives (mostly, some JKD and general tidbits worked in here and there too. If its "dirty fighting" odds are I practice it, which brings me right back to WW-II combatives)....
BUT, I dont like WW-II Combatives knife methods... except perhaps Fairbairn's smatchet stuff. Its too specialized, and requires itself to be too precise for the street I think. Great for taking out sentry's and doing assasinations, but not a street thing... ya get me?
For that... well... A healthy dose of James Keating, Jerry VanCook, Bob Kasper, and Kelly Worden. Mix that with Don Rearic and SouthNarc from SelfDefenseForums.com, and you've got what I train in.
Basically it boils down to simple, effective, methods of dispatching another human being, using an edged weapon. Gross muscle movement, strong powerful attacks, reverse grip ripping, not slashing (Pikal reverse grip, with the edge in), etc. It works with what I carry, which is folders and fixed blades with blades 6" or less. Works with bigger stuff too... thats where another big dose of Keating comes in. Mix bowie stuff with close range stuff, ohh... fun.
No formal classes, I train at home, funds and ability to travel have no permitted me to go to courses, and there are no local dojo's provide what I am after.

I use foam and cardboard cutting targets to practice on, and spar with others using training knives when I get the chance,

Wilhelm
February 13, 2003, 02:53 AM
My father taught me to art of Arkansashillbillyknifefighting.



Wilhelm

makdaddy03
February 15, 2003, 02:31 AM
Various techniques from different martial arts,military knife fighting, and my own style which I think is suitable. I practice using home made dummies and lots of duct tape. I learn this from MA Training magazine. I hang rope for slashes and use the dummies for grappling & fighting techniques.:evil:

cold
February 15, 2003, 10:11 PM
I've been training with a Keating and Bagwell disciple for a couple of months. Add in some escrima sticks and it transitions into double knives. Did the long knives the other night. The only thing I have to say is, you know the saying about the more you know, the more you realize there is more to know. Well in this area, it is down right gospel.

Mike

Gray_Fallen
February 15, 2003, 10:30 PM
I've been training with a Keating and Bagwell disciple for a couple of months

Any info, or maybe PICS (I Hope I hope) of this blade? Never heard of it, but I am a fan of JAK and Bill Bagwell, and am interested.

Only disciple I know about is the Trace Rinaldi/Don Rearic/Daniel Long/SouthNarc Disciple (http://www.donrearic.com/disciple.html). Definately my kind of fighting knife, the only blade in existance right now, that is designed exclusively for Edge In reverse grip AKA Pikal. Only blade thus far... I've got one coming soon, but it needs some re-working yet. This Disciple is a slick piece. Interested to learn about the Keating Disciple too.

cold
February 15, 2003, 10:50 PM
Gray,
Disciple, as in one who is trained in the discipline or doctrine of a teacher. My instructor (http://www.folders-r-us.org/full_brownie.htm) has trained with both Keating and Bagwell. My carry knife is a MOD Hornet, plain edge. I am looking for a larger folder and will then move the Hornet to the left pocket. The larger folder will reside in the right pocket. Nothing gets attention like a double blade pop and an "espada y daga" drill.

Mike

Edited for spelling.

Gray_Fallen
February 15, 2003, 11:29 PM
Ohh-kay... duh. I'm an idiot. Sorry. I was thinking in knife brain... I've been "knifing" all afternoon/evening... its gotta be the carbon fiber dust and devcon epoxy getting to me... time to change the respirator filters. ;) :p

brownie0486
February 16, 2003, 08:43 PM
I practice no one particular style. It's a mixture of old world spanish, phillipino, and asian with the bulk of it being old world techniques as taught to me by a Master at Arms.

Have some long blade training through one of the premier fighting Bowie makers in the world. He has been involved with some of the US troops in their developing long knives combative techniques which include a majority of backcuts with the clip of the bowie blade.

Instruct in knife defensive tactics to LE and civilians as well as other weapons systems but only part time.

Usually train for a few hours a week in one of the defesive weapons including the knife.

Presently carrying a MOD Trident in the right front pocket and Emerson LaGriffe on the neck.
Am prone to carry another clipped knife [ usually a custom Elishewitz ] on the left front pocket as well.

These can be accessed rather quickly and open upon leaving the pocket. I practice ambi-carry and train with the dual small folder blades often enough to be as proficient with the left side as my strong side. This isn't difficult as I am ambi in some areas to begin with. It's an advantage to being able to utilize both sides to attack and defend as necessary.

I use wooden plywood trainers duplicating a variety of blade styles like the police model, enduras, and emersons when they are open and ready for use.

"Draw straight, keep your steel sharp and watch your back"

Brownie

cold
February 16, 2003, 09:43 PM
Hi Brownie,
Good to see you over here.

Mike

Sidetracker
February 18, 2003, 04:54 AM
Mr Keating is excellent and I also recommend Kelly Worden at Natural Spirit Int'l.
http://www.jamesakeating.com/maajakkey.html
http://www.kellyworden.com/Pages/Home%20Page/default2.html

Beorn
February 18, 2003, 12:57 PM
I visualize an attacker in my mind... Really concentrate.... Then visualize stabbing him as many times as I can in 60 seconds...

RFLMAO!

That was too funny!

I learned knife fighting from a guy in Oklahoma city named Jack Wong. It wasn't the right way, it was the Wong way!

Yeah, we thought it was kinda dumb back then too.:p

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