RKBA guide to Senate races?


June 16, 2004, 11:45 AM
This thread (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=87000) made me think: is there anywhere one can find a consolidated listing of all of the various Senate races this year, with all of the candidates, and their positions, especially with relation to RKBA, to include GOA ratings if available?

The threadstarter is pushing an "A" rated candidate for Senate in Louisiana, running against an opponent with a "C" rating. I have previously pushing an "A-" rated challenger to my current "F" rated Senator.

I ask because members of this board have not, in the past, been shy about doing what they can to advance the RKBA cause, and help, mostly in the form of $$, in a few key Senate races may greatly help the cause.

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Bartholomew Roberts
June 16, 2004, 04:16 PM
Click here for GOA 2004 Election Guide (http://www.gunowners.org/votetb04.htm)

Note: GOA grades reflect those issued in February 2003 and don't include the latest votes from this March. GOA NR means Not Rated and simply means I couldn't find any GOA rating listed for them (pretty common with state level politicians).

I've also included how they voted in March on four major amendments - the Boxer gun lock amendment, the Feinstein AWB renewal amendment, the Kennedy ammo-ban amendment, and the McCain gunshow background check amendment.

Incumbent is listed first, no third-party candidates were listed unless they were polling above 10%

* indicates a possible candidate; but could change by general election

Richard Shelby (R) - GOA B - 100% pro-gun in March
Jim Folsom Jr.* (D) - GOA NR, former Governor

Lisa Murkowski (R) - GOA NR, 75% pro-gun in March, voted for Boxer
Tony Knowles (D) - GOA NR - According to website, would have voted same as Murkowski in March (http://www.tonyknowles.com/issue_secondamendment.html)

John McCain (R) - GOA C-, 50% pro-gun in March, supported McCain and Boxer.

Blanche Lincoln (D) - GOA F, 25% pro gun in March, supported McCain, Boxer, Feinstein
Jim Holt (R)- GOA NR - Strong pro-gun stand (no AWB renewal) on website (http://www.jimholt.us/issues.htm#firearms)

Barbara Boxer (D) - GOA F-, 0% pro gun in March - supported them all, even ammo ban
Bill Jones (R) - GOA NR, No mention of guns on campaign website, Also supports ban renewal (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/06/30/MNG557E5A91.DTL&type=printable) :barf:

No incumbent, Nighthorse-Campbell (R) Retiring
Pete Coors (R) - GOA NR Failed to return questionaire - Mentions Second Amendment on website (http://www.petecoorsforsenate.com/issues5.htm). Participated in NRA Advertising Campaign (http://www.gazette.com/display.php?sid=970965). Announced in press opposition to AWB as well as support for repealing Lautenberg Amendment, and large sections of 1968 GCA and 1934 NFA (http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/election/article/0,1299,DRMN_36_3155573,00.html)
Ken Salazar (D) - GOA NR, Colorado AG during Columbine. Signed MMM Card supporting ban renewal (http://www.rmpn.org/calendarEvents/index.cfm?fuseaction=showCalendarEvent&calendarEventID=285&navID=17). More on his anti-gun policy at this thread from AR15.com (http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=258817&page=1).

Christopher Dodd (D) - GOA F-, 0% pro-gun in March
Jack Orlucchi (R)* - GOA NR, No info; but could he be any worse?

No incumbent. Graham (D) Retiring.
Mel Martinez (R) - GOA NR, Only candidate to mention the Second Amendment on his website (http://www.melforsenate.org/index.cfm?FuseAction=Issues.Detail&Issue_id=21). Has come out with public opposition to AWB Renewal (http://www.sptimes.com/2004/05/19/State/Kemp_leads_cheers_for.shtml). Tied in polls with Castor.
Betty Castor (D) - GOA NR, supports Brady Bill, criticized the Eddie Eagle program for Florida schools (http://www.vpc.org/studies/eddieap1.htm),

More to follow...

Bartholomew Roberts
June 16, 2004, 05:12 PM
GOA 2004 Election Guide (http://www.gunowners.org/votetb04.htm)

No incumbent. Miller (D) retiring.
Johnny Isakson (R) - GOA B-, Opposes semi-auto ban, supports frivolous lawsuit protection for gun manufacturers as well as trigger lock laws (http://isakson.net/isakson_contents/issues/)
Denise Majette (D) - GOA NR, no mention of guns on her website (http://www.majetteforsenate.org/)

Daniel Inouye (D) - GOA F, 0% pro-gun votes in March, no serious opposition.

Mike Crapo (R) - GOA B, 100% pro-gun vote in March, no serious opposition

No incumbent. Fitzgerald (R) retiring.
Barack Obama (D)- GOA NR, no mention of guns; but endorsed by multiple grabbers (http://www.obamaforillinois.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={7B9B948F-C2E0-4496-894D-6A3AF3338AF2})
Alan Keyes (R) - GOA NR, Mentions Second Amendment as issue (http://www.keyesforsenate.com/) - Has historically supported Second Amendment in speeches, never held national elective office.

Evan Bayh (D) - GOA F, 0% pro-gun vote in March. No serious opposition.

Charles Grassley (R) - GOA C, 75% pro-gun vote in March. Supported Boxer.
Arthur Small (D) - GOA NR, no info found except has raised $0 for campaign as of June 8th. Not really serious opposition.

Sam Brownback (R) - GOA B, 75% pro-gun vote in March. Supported Boxer. No serious opposition.

Jim Bunning (R) - GOA B, 100% pro-gun vote in March.
Dan Mongiardo (D) - GOA NR, no mention of guns on website (http://www.drdan2004.com/site/PageServer?pagename=issues_home).

No incumbent. Breaux (D) retiring.
Chris John (D) - GOA C, Supports individual rights interpretation of Second Amendment (http://www.house.gov/john/leg.shtml). Looks like a duck hunter to me.
John Kennedy (D) - GOA NR, former state treasurer, no website or info.
David Vitter (R) - GOA A-, Upfront stance on 2A on website (http://vitter.house.gov/issues.asp?FormMode=Call&LinkType=Section&Section=8)

Barbara Mikulski (D) - GOA F-, 0% pro-gun vote in March.
E. J. Pipkin (R) - GOA NR, no info as website was down but can't be any worse

Christopher S. Bond (R) - GOA C, 100% pro-gun vote in March
Nancy Farmer (D) - GOA NR, Endorsed by the Brady Campaign and proud of it (http://www.nancyfarmerforussenate.com/endorse1.html)

Harry Reid (D) - GOA F, 50% pro-gun vote in March. Supported Boxer and McCain.
Kenneth Wegner (R) - GOA NR, cheesy website (http://www.wegnerforsenate.com/platform.html) with no mention of RKBA.
Jack Woodcock (R) - GOA NR, Former realtor running for Senate, no other info found.
Richard Ziser (R) - GOA NR, Vague support of 2A statement on website. Not much; but better than Reid.

Bartholomew Roberts
June 16, 2004, 06:16 PM
GOA 2004 Election Guide (http://www.gunowners.org/votetb04.htm)

New Hampshire:
Judd Gregg (R) - GOA C-, 50% pro-gun vote in March. Supported Feinstein and Boxer.
Likely Democratic competitor bailed leaving him with no serious opposition at this time.

New York:
Chuckles Schumer (D) - GOA F-, Need I say more? 0% pro-gun in March. No serious opposition sadly.

North Carolina:
No incumbent. Edwards (D) retiring.
Dan Blue (D) - GOA NR, no info or website
Erskine Bowles (D) - GOA F, no mention of guns on website; but previous career as chief of staff for Clinton (http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel110402.asp). Ran for Senate and lost to Dole previously.
Richard Burr (R) - GOA B-, Representative in U.S. House (http://www.house.gov/burr/BILLS_link.htm)

North Dakota:
Byron Dorgan (D) - GOA F, 25% pro-gun vote in March. Supported Boxer, Feinstein, and McCain.
Mike Liffrig (R) - GOA NR, no mention of guns on website (http://www.mikeliffrig.com/default.asp#issues)

George Voinovich (R) - GOA D, 25% pro-gun vote in March. Supported Boxer, Feinstein, and McCain.
Eric Fingerhut (D) - No current GOA rating, formerly F, supported Brady and AWB as Congressman. Hardcore grabber, opposed Ohio CCW.

No incumbent. Nickles (R) retiring.
Tom Coburn (R) - GOA A+, specifically endorsed by GOA as the most important Senator to get elected in 2004. See this thread (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=86515).
Brad Carson (D) - GOA B, Strong mention of Second Amendment on website (http://carson.house.gov/Issue.aspx?IssueID=36)

Ron Wyden (D) - GOA F, 0% pro-gun vote in March.
Al King (R) - GOA NR, No info or website
Dan Fitzgerald (L) - GOA NR, Libertarian candidate, need I say more? Didn't get 10% but has as much chance as King

Arlen Specter (R) - GOA C-, 100% pro-gun vote in March
Joe Hoeffel (D) - GOA F-, Hardcore grabber and proud of it (http://www.hoeffelforsenate.com/issues/gunscomparison.cfm)

South Carolina:
No incumbent. Hollings (D) retiring.
Jim DeMint (R) - GOA A, Currently a Congressman (http://www.demint.house.gov/). We all know GOA doesn't give away A's to just anyone.
Inez Tenenbaum (D) - GOA NR, no mention of guns on her website (http://www.inez2004.com/portal/)

South Dakota:
Tom Daschle (D) - GOA F, 25% pro-gun vote in March. Supported Boxer, McCain, Feinstein. Definitely not our buddy.
John Thune (R) - GOA B (2002), In a tight race with Daschle...hmmm, B or F?

Robert Bennett (R) - GOA D, 75% pro-gun vote in March. Supported Boxer. Don't know what he did to piss off GOA; but voted right in March.
Paul Van Dam (D) - GOA NR, no info or website

Patrick Leahy (D) - GOA F-, 0% pro-gun vote in March. No serious opposition. Vote for the Libertarian guy anyway.

Patty Murray (D) - GOA F, 0% pro-gun vote in March.
Reed Davis (R) - GOA NR, no info, website doesn't work
George Nethercutt (R) - GOA A-, Currently a Congressman (http://www.house.gov/nethercutt/).

Russ Feingold (D) - GOA F, 25% pro-gun vote in March. Supported Kennedy ammo-ban, Boxer, and McCain but opposed Feinstein semi-auto ban renewal. Guess it must be an election year.
Russ Darrow (R) - GOA NR, no mention of RKBA on his website (http://www.russdarrowsenate.com/Issues.cfm)
Tim Michels (R) - GOA NR, mentions Second Amendment mainly in context of hunting (http://www.michelsforsenate.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={2BA5613E-8352-497F-B97E-A2E185DCD1D2}). Eh.
Bob Welch (R) - GOA NR, Supports 2A as individual right. Endorsed by NRA (http://www.votewelch.com/issues.htm)

Remember folks, a 0% March vote is a serious hardcore grabber. They voted to ban .30-30 ammo specifically by name. They supported all the gun control amendments.

June 16, 2004, 07:02 PM
S1805 AWB amendment (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=2&vote=00024)

I'm contributing to the opponents of Senators that voted for this amendment.

June 16, 2004, 08:16 PM
Bart-that's an awesome summation! Thanks!

I guess the next question is, if folks on here want to give money to campaigns, where would that money be most productive?

When rating productivity, I'm looking at the following factors:

1) the relative positions of the candidates in that state on RKBA

2) whether the more pro-RKBA has a realistic chance of winning

Example: giving money to Republican Al King in Orgeon probably wouldn't be productive, despite his primary opponent's (incumbent) F rating from the GOA, because King has little chance of winning.

I'd also give bonus points to any pro-RKBA challengers who have a realistic chance to unseat an anti-RKBA incumbent (Thune against Daschle in SD, Nethercutt vs Murray in WA), slightly fewer bonus points to a pro-RKBA candidate running for an open seat formerly occupied by an anti.

And there's intangibles, like the morale blow that the lefties would suffer from losing their current Senate leader (Daschle).

GOA ranks Coburn in Oklahoma as their #1 priority. I won't argue-I'm sure they've looked at this much more thoroughly than I have time to.

I'd have to rank Thune vs Daschle in SD as #2. The race is very tight right now, Daschle earns an F from GOA to Thune's B, and dumping Daschle would hurt Lefty morale.

Personally, I put Nethercutt vs Murray in Washington as my #3, but WA is my home state and I loathe Murray, so I'm a bit biased. The race is within 10 points, and Murray gets an F from GOA (A- for Nethercutt). Nethercutt has a minor reputation as a giant-killer, having unseated then Speaker of the House Tom Foley in 1994.
On the downside, I'm on the Nethercutt campaign email list, and so far he hasn't said anytyhing about RKBA. My guess is this is probably strategic, since 2A doesn't play all that well in the Seattle-Tacoma area, and he needs votes from there to win.

Opinions from anyone else?

June 16, 2004, 08:36 PM
I have heard John Thune explicitly state that he thinks that the AWB is bad law and that it must sunset.

June 17, 2004, 12:09 PM
Bart - Thank you. Awesome post.

June 17, 2004, 01:55 PM
The best source I have found is surprisingly the Brady Campaign (http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/scorecard/)

Obviously inversion of the grades is required, but you can see who voted for what with a nice search feature.

My rep got a big fat zero :D

June 17, 2004, 03:21 PM
LMAO, Hoeffel makes a pretty good case for Specter on his website, mentioning how Specter has an "A" grade from the NRA and was opposed to all important recent gun legislation, and how he only has a 14% from Brady.

Hoeffel doesn't realize that the NRA is generally liked in Pennsylvania :p

June 17, 2004, 09:29 PM
For Arkansas, Jim Holt is VERY pro-gun. I am afraid that being a very Bible-thumping Republican will hurt him in the end. Hopefully, Blanche's record will hurt her more.

I have yet to get a letter from her in response to my email's or calls. I got a breif "piss off" email once. At least Pryor will tell you what a hypocrite he is.

June 17, 2004, 10:47 PM
I'd really like to know what Pete Coors' stance is, the primary is coming up pretty soon.

June 18, 2004, 11:16 AM
Jack Ryan is definitly pro-gun. Obama is one of Mayor Daley's anti-gun parrots, and is well known to all informed Illinois gun owners. Jim.

June 18, 2004, 01:42 PM
The SC GOP race is down to DeMint and Beasley.

For those in Columbia who can listen to a radio at work, there will be a debate on Monday, 21 June, from 3-6 PM Eastern, on 1320 AM. Debate will be mediated by the show's normal host, Kevin Cohen.

Run-off election will be 22 June.

June 18, 2004, 11:27 PM
Jack Ryan is definitly pro-gun.

So he really does react well to bullets? *ducks flying tomato*


June 19, 2004, 03:24 PM
Only when he's a CIA op wearing a Naval uniform:D

June 19, 2004, 11:00 PM
I note the tone of sadness when you got to new york... Unfortunatly the guy running against Schumer is really just a big joke. He has no chance of winning and never will. And, sadly enough, even if he did win, he's a moderate to liberal republican anyway, so it's not like we'd see a big change there, or even a big supporter of our cause...

June 21, 2004, 08:41 PM
Wow! Thanks, B.R. for all the info. Does anyone know where I can get some similar info on other elections in my area (specifically, who is trying to beat gov. Holden of MO)?


June 22, 2004, 08:34 AM
FYI...the SC GOP Senate runoff is today. Current Congressman DeMint vs former Gov. Beasley.

FWIW, The State, the Columbia paper, favors DeMint. I have no clue as to their editorial slant on RKBA.

But I'll take a known GOA 'A' rated Rep for a promotion to Senator. And given the tenure of SC's last two Senators: Thurmond (42 years) and Hollings (36 years), whoever wins this will likely be there for a while.

June 22, 2004, 02:54 PM


No incumbent. Miller (D) retiring.
Al Bartell (R) - GOA NR, no mention of guns on website
Herman Cain (R) - GOA NR, no mention of guns on website
Mac Collins (R) - GOA A, no mention of guns on website
Johnny Isakson (R) - GOA B-, no mention of guns on website
Denise Majette (D) - GOA NR, no mention of guns on her website
Gary Leshaw (D) - GOA NR, no mention of guns on his website
Jim Marshall (D) - GOA NR, Co-sponsored lawsuit protection for gun manufacturers in the House
Mary Squires (D) - GOA NR, gives the "I'm a gun owner myself" line before expressing support for gun show background checks, semi-auto ban renewal and other gun-owning "loopholes"
Nadine Thomas (D) - GOA NR, no mention of guns on her website. Small fry state senator aspiring to higher office.

June 23, 2004, 07:40 AM
Jim DeMint is now the GOP candidate in South Carolina.

Demint earned an 'A' from GOA as a Congressman.

June 23, 2004, 10:46 PM

Ok, why? I'm curious as I was at a gun show back in March I think. Some of his people were there pitching him as Zell's replacement.

Any actual info would be appreciated - I was leaning his way, since I couldn't find a good reason for the others and at least he had someone there. Thanks!

June 24, 2004, 10:20 PM
Vote Richard Burr in NC.

Definitely not Blue or Bowles. Both are Dem gun grabbers.

I believe Blue even supported a state AWB once.

June 26, 2004, 11:52 PM
Barbara Boxer (D) - GOA F-, 0% pro gun in March - supported them all, even ammo ban

Might I add, supported and said that if she couldn't get a ban through, she also advocates the taxation of guns and ammo :barf: :cuss:

Just in case you thought she was less scummy than she really is... :barf:

June 27, 2004, 02:04 AM
Yah, I know she was present when the twinkily-deranged cop shot Harvey Milk, but still...

Anyway, I live in Florida. I watched the Senate-candidate debates last time, when Mr. Nelson got elected. I voted for Mr. McDonald (sp?) because McCollum was a stone JBT on everything but the 2nd, and he qualified that so much he might as well have been Dubya Bush. He did win an Orwell award! The other candidates in FL? The last time this subject came up here I looked at their Web sites, seems like no change from then to now.

Bob Smith does sound cool, but I'd hate to vote for a carpetbagger, not that that makes any difference to my DY-transplant neighbors.

June 29, 2004, 06:51 PM
OK folks-

Candidate reports to the FEC are due tomorrow. These reports are public info.

We all know how important money is in modern politics. And we know that in any fight, the perception of strength can be as important as actual strength. In politics, the perception of momentum can create momentum. Witness the Kerry surge after the Iowa Caucuses.

Nothing creates the image of momentum like a strong cash flow.

I strongly encourage all of you to give what you can to the candidate(s) you feel are worthy of your support.

Oleg, other mods-do you feel it within the role of THR to endorse candidates and/or target specific races?

July 3, 2004, 05:14 PM
I had the opportunity to talk to Pete Coors recently, and asked what he thinks about the AWB, and no pussy-footing around the issue, just directly said he was against it.

I like his stance on the issues and from the time I got to talk to him, seems like a really good guy. He's getting my support, going to try and do some volunteer work on his campaign.

July 7, 2004, 05:33 PM
Arlen Specter has stated that he would oppose renewal of Assault Weapons Ban. Is his word any good, I really don't know. Do I personally trust him. NO, I don't. Have I ever been wrong, most certainly, lots of times.

For whatever it might be worth, Specter's D.C. office claims that he opposed the Assault Weapons Ban in 1994, however he voted for enactment of the legislation it was part of, that being The Crime Bill of 1994.

As I mentioned, personally speaking, I do not trust Specter.

July 20, 2004, 01:49 AM
Wanted to note that at least two of the Georgia Senate candidates, do indeed have info on guns on their websites. Herman Cain and Johnny Isakson have sections on their issue pages.

Cain voices support for the second in several key areas including supporting the gun liability bill and affirms the Individual rights interpretation, doesn't mention the AWB however. I understand he has made public statements against the ban though.

Isakson has a large section on Protecting the 2nd, including stating his opposition to extension/expansion of the AWB and support of the liability bill.

Bartholomew Roberts
July 20, 2004, 09:40 AM
Thanks for the update Makowner, at the time of the original compilation their pages were empty.

Lobotomy Boy
July 20, 2004, 10:51 AM
Does anyone have a link to Minnesota House members and their voting records on gun issues?

Thanks in advance.

Bartholomew Roberts
July 20, 2004, 12:19 PM
Does anyone have a link to Minnesota House members and their voting records on gun issues?

Gunowners Of America 108th Congress House of Representatives Ratings (http://www.gunowners.org/108hrat.htm)

Brady Campaign Scorecard for Congress 1991-present (http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/scorecard/)

Brady Campaign Scorecard For Minnesota House (http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/scorecard/scorecard.php?shr=MN) (looks like Betty McCollum and Martin Sabo need to go)

Can't find the NRA scorecard :rolleyes:

Lobotomy Boy
July 20, 2004, 03:20 PM
Thanks Bartholomew.

Bartholomew Roberts
July 28, 2004, 10:15 AM
One other thing worth remembering - while there are several potential Democratic candidates who are good on guns, the Republican lead in the Senate is very narrow. If they lose two seats, they lose the leadership and Illinois is almost certainly a lost seat for Republicans.

No matter how good the Democrat is on guns, the Senate Judiciary Committee controlling all gun control legislation has names on it like Kennedy, Schumer, Feinstein, etc. Those are the people who will be in charge if the Democrats retake the Senate.

July 28, 2004, 11:35 AM
Tom Coburn, the GOA's #1 Senate candidate, won the OK GOP primary yesterday.

Shooter 2.5
July 31, 2004, 06:33 PM
Vote a straight Republican ballot. Drop the anti-gun dem party into the dustbin of history.

July 31, 2004, 08:10 PM
I really dont think that comment helps determine which Senate candidates are the best for the RKBA. IMHO, it seems like it could start a needlessly inflamatory string of comments. We have debated the topic of voting straight tickets ad nauseam, and have gotten no where.

I encourage a moderator to delete it and this reply to maintain the integrity of this thread.

August 1, 2004, 12:43 AM
Shooter 2.5 wrote:

Vote a straight Republican ballot. Drop the anti-gun dem party into the dustbin of history.

In my book, quite possibly a bad idea. It depends on who is running for the office in question. For instance, Congressman Henry Hyde of Chicago area is Republican, and he never saw anything called "gun Control" that he didn't fall instantly and fatally in love with.

On the other hand, John Dingell, a Member of The House from Michigan is usually pretty good on Second Amendment issues. In Pittsburgh PA, where I live, there has long been an incestuous relationship between the voters and the Democrats, and Pittsburgh is really a mess.

Lobotomy Boy
August 1, 2004, 11:36 AM
The problem with voting straight Republican is that there are far too many anti-2nd Amendment Republicans like Warner and Hyde and (please forgive my spelling) Gulianni and Schwarzenagger, while there are a handful of solid pro-2A Democrats like Zeller.

That said, this year, for the first time, I am voting a straight Republican ticket for every office from U.S. Representative (no Senate race in my state this year) down to local school board. That is because I have to vote Libertarian for president and I want to minimize the damage should Kerry be elected. I can't vote for Bush because I firmly believe that the people with whom he has surrounded himself, like Cheney, Scooter Libby, Karl Rove, Rumsfeld, and Condalizza Rice are thieves, fascists (they have that in common with the Democrats), liars, and traitors. I don't think Bush himself is guilty of any of those things, but I'm afraid his limited set of intellectual tools makes him a target for (Neo)con artists.

Right now the only way Bush could earn my vote would be to drop Cheney from the ticket and replace him with John McCain. McCain isn't as pro 2A as I'd like, not by a long shot, but I believe the man is honest, smart, and has the vision to guide the country through the mess it is in now, thanks to the treasonous neocons who have sold out our nation's future in order to line the pockets of their corporate pimps. With the proper guidance from one of the few politicians who is not a complete whore, Bush might actually make an effective president.

Bob Locke
August 1, 2004, 09:28 PM
As far as Colorado goes, Schaffer is the CLEAR choice over Coors in the upcoming primary.

"Militia Bob", as he was referred to during his '96 campaign for the House, is extremely pro-gun, and he understands EXACTLY what the 2nd Amendment means.

August 1, 2004, 10:06 PM
E. J. Pipkin (R) - GOA NR, no info as website was down but can't be any worse

Pipkin is THE MAN for Maryland.....VERY Pro Gun.

It's time to get rid of Mikulski and Sarbanes FOR GOOD.:cuss:

August 3, 2004, 02:36 PM
If you want to find where candidates stand on the issues, check


Voting records, interest group ratings, etc.

Black Snowman
August 3, 2004, 05:51 PM
Thanks for the link MP5. Checked on my federal choices and the incombents look acceptable. For the other Kansans if you see these names vote for them:

Sam Brownback - Rep
Pat Roberts - Rep
Jim Ryan - Rep
Steven A Rosile - Lib

They're the only sure things I've found so far.

Every one of my state level Republican choices are all anti-RKBA. Some of the state level Repubs are hard-core anti, as in pro-confiscation :cuss: That makes voting a bit tougher.

Time for more research. Hopefully I'll have some Lib choices in there otherwise I'm going to have to dig for a pro RKBA Dem and that's not likely. I only know of one and she's not in my district so I can't vote for her anyway.

August 5, 2004, 08:07 PM
CatsDieNow, Thanks for the reference to the Brady Campaign! I'm advertising it as an excellent reference to the voting record of all Senators and Representatives on 21 anti-gun bills (see below my name). Good for existing congressmen/women, but doesn't help on new candidates.

The question came up about how to get the best "bang for the buck" for campaign donations...I've done two things: Contributed money to the California Republican Party earmarked for anti-Boxer purposes, who comes up for reelection this year.

Second, I'm donating heavily to the NRA, who I figure will use the funds to the best advantage in critical races nationwide. The NRA-ILA is subject to the campaign reform gag order, which takes them off the air 30 days before state primaries and conventions, and 60 days before the Nov 2nd General Elections. However, the NRA Political Victory Fund advertises that it is not affected (I don't understand why not), so they get my funds. Let the politicians get the message the NRA must be seriously counted!

I also upped my NRA membership from Endowment status to Patron.

I see that some people plan to waste their vote on small political parties, through unhappiness about Bush's stand on tha AWB...not a good move! It's a matter of degree...Bush may favor the AWB, but his stand on other gun ownership is FAR better than the Democrats! If they get in, kiss your semi-auto rifles, pistols, and shotguns goodbye!

Lobotomy Boy
August 5, 2004, 10:29 PM
I'm voting for third party for president not because of Bush's AWB stand, but because I genuinely believe he has surrounded himself with dangerous criminals. Like I said earlier (or maybe in another thread), the only way I could vote for the man and still live with myself is if he sent Cheney off to get a new pig heart and drafted McCain for VP. McCain isn't exactly the best 2A guy, either, but at least he isn't a thief.

But the real test will be in the Senate and House. Ultimately it doesn't matter who is the president as long as the congress doesn't send him anti-gun bills to sign. The important thing this election is for pro-gun Republicans to gain as many congressional seats as possible.

August 7, 2004, 08:26 AM
the only way I could vote for the man and still live with myself is if he sent Cheney off to get a new pig heart and drafted McCain for VP. McCain isn't exactly the best 2A guy, either, but at least he isn't a thief.

Didn't he get caught up in the Saving & Loan scandle with Keating?

August 7, 2004, 08:26 AM
Double tap:D

Bartholomew Roberts
August 8, 2004, 01:11 PM
Guys, please keep your comments related to the Senate races for 2004. Comments not related to that will be deleted as this is primarily an informational thread and I don't wish to force people looking for info to sort through a bunch of OT comments.

August 18, 2004, 03:20 PM
PA Residents:

Specter was in our corner during the Gun Liability fiasco. He voted /against/ the various anti-gun amendments that the Democrats proposed. In particular, he voted against the Democrat's proposed 10-year extension of the Assault Weapons Ban.

Can Specter be trusted? Perhaps.

Joe Hoeffel, the Demoractic candidate, CANNOT be trusted. Period.


Hoeffel is /proud/ of his 100% Brady rating, his support for continuing the AWB, and other anti-liberty measures.

Hoeffel actually scares me now that I've read up on him. I highly encourage all PA residents to volunteer time to Specter's campaign or at least donate funds.

August 18, 2004, 03:56 PM
E-Mail Sent to Hoeffel:

Mr. Hoeffel,

As a Pennsylvanian who has not always been happy with Sen. Specter's work on our behalf in the U.S. Senate, I approached your campaign website with hope in my heart and an open mind. To my utter shock and dismay I discovered that you fully support do-nothing, feel-good legislation like the Clinton-era "Assault Weapons Ban", trigger locks, and forbidding private citizens from selling their own property at public gatherings. Even worse, you proudly boast of having a "100%" rating from the Brady Campaign to Outlaw Firearms Beginning With Handguns.

Mr. Hoeffel, as someone who wishes to represent me in the United States Senate, I expect you to possess the ability to read and comprehend the English language. The Second Amendment has nothing whatsoever to do with hunters or sportsmen. Hunters and sportsmen are not addressed by the U.S. Constitution, nor are they addressed by the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

Please allow me to refresh your memory:

"The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned."
- PA State Constitution, Article 1, Section 21

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
- U.S. Constitution, Amendment II

The right of sportsmen and hunters to possess firearms is a subset of a greather birthright enjoyed by all free people, and would continue to exist even if hunting were to be outlawed.

I hope you will reform your anti-liberty positions and become a candidate worthy of representing Pennsylvania in the U.S. Senate.

August 18, 2004, 06:23 PM

In your interesting letter to Congressman Hoeffel, the following is to be found at the close:"I hope you will reform your anti-liberty positions and become a candidate worthy of representing Pennsylvania in the U.S. Senate."

Such "reform" is, I submit, something akin to Pigs Flying, another action that is not going to take place.

The gentleman who ran against Senator Specter in the primary elections might well have been better for gun owners than Specter, however Congressman Toomey lost his bid. It remains that Congressman Hoeffel would be very much worse.

Pennsylvania voters who happen to be gun owners need to keep that fact in mind.

Bartholomew Roberts
September 2, 2004, 10:50 AM
Updated Semptember 2, 2004

September 2, 2004, 06:12 PM
the question... will the republicans pick up any senate seats?


September 2, 2004, 08:19 PM
Best best for GOP pickup: South Carolina

Best best for GOP loss: Illinois

My pick for dark horse GOP pickup: South Dakota

Bartholomew Roberts
September 3, 2004, 09:13 AM
I think Langenator has been paying attention as I would agree with him entirely.

Right now Republicans stand to lose the following Senate seats:

Retiring Republican Fitzgerald was anti-gun too so this only affects who holds the Senate majority, which is still important.

Democrats stand to lose the following Senate seats:

Zell Miller was pro-gun; but his likely Republican replacement is too. So this offsets the loss of Illinois without changing the count in the Senate towards a more pro-gun Senate.

South Carolina :
Jim DeMint has a better than 10 point lead on his opponent in the polls. Not only that; but his opponent (the State Education secretary) just had to release news that SC SAT scores were the lowest in the nation. DeMint is a GOA A rated candidate - and we know that GOA doesn't hand out As easily - replacing former F rated candidate Fritz Hollings. +1 for gun owners in the Senate count and +1 for a Republican majority (which keeps Ted Kennedy that much further from leadership of the committee that decides gun control law).

The following races are running tied or near tied after the margin of error is factored in:

Both candidates oppose renewal of the ban and are generally pro-gun, only counts for Senate Majority purposes.

Tied neck and neck. Former incumbent was moderately pro-gun. The Republican Pete Coors is strongly pro-gun and the Dem is a clear anti.

Republican Mel Martinez opposes the ban and supports the Second. His opponent does not - a chance to gain a seat on the antis as well here.

Still up in the air essentially. Former incumbent voted for the ban so this is a chance to gain some ground.

North Carolina:
Rep. Richard Burr is trailing against the Dem candidate who is a former Clinton Chief of Staff and committed gun grabber. He needs a boost to win; but he is within striking distance with a good turnout. If we win here, we replace another F rated candidate with a good pro-gun candidate.

This Senate race was cited by GOA as being the most important Senate race of the year and they endorsed Dr. Tom Coburn for it. His Democratic challenger Brad Carson has a B rating though and is pro gun - only counts for Senate Majority.

South Dakota:
Republican (GOA B rating) John Thune leads Daschle by 2% now. Inside the margin of error; but steadily gaining - we definitely want to win this seat. Daschle has poured a ton of money into this campaign. Being able to defeat the current Senate minority leader against such odds would be a huge feather in the hat of gun owners and send yet another bold print message to the Democrats that their anti-gun policies will cost them at the polls.

So realistic best case scenario, we pick up 5 seats in the Senate and Republicans maintain control. Realistic worst case scenario, we lose 1 extra pro-gun seat over the March vote AND control of the Senate reverts to Democrats. In this case, we will be fighting hard to prevent another ban in January 2005.

September 3, 2004, 10:20 AM
I knew that there were folks here who could provide this kind of update. With all the hull-a-baloo these past few months the senate and house races have been simmering on the back burner.

VA 2nd House District has a real burp - the incumbent, Schrock (R), this past week cancelled, leaving just 4 days to pick a candidate before the door closed. Thelma Drake, a state legislature type was named and has to start from scratch. She's against a newcomer, former Marine, who would have had a free ride if that 4 days had run out. VCDL has Drake as a +/- "B" re guns.

Let's hope we prevail.

Thanks again.


September 3, 2004, 11:05 AM
In my home state of Washington, incumbent Dem. Patty Murray's (GOA F rating) lead over likely challenger Rep. George Nethercutt (GOA A- rating) is somewhere around 9 to 11%. It looks like the Dems will retain that seat, although I wouldn't count Nethercutt out by any stretch-he unseated then Speaker of the House Tom Foley in 1994.

Nethercutt's challenge is that his base is in Spokane, while Murray's is in Seattle. Nethercutt needs to make inroads in the I-5 corridor to pull off the upset.

September 3, 2004, 08:44 PM
But sent my aged Dad out to vote for Klayman, or if he wanted someone electable, Martinez. Guess I too will have to vote for Martinez just to make sure the unusually loony person the Dems are running this year doesn't get in.

At least I won't have a preppy, a Yalie, and a spook for my Congresscritter anymore. Maybe he'll be able to speak truth to Neocons when he takes charge of the CIA?

September 9, 2004, 08:45 PM
Been to the NRA web site but could not find their ratings???

Any body know where they are?

September 14, 2004, 03:18 AM

I looked but couldn't find info either. Not sure ratings are out yet. Email me if you need info on the 18 Sept. elections.

edit 0956 hrs. 14 sept.04 (the day after)

Try this link: http://www.nrapvf.org/Elections/Default.aspx


September 14, 2004, 06:14 PM
Don't forget to keep an eye on those running in your local races. Someday they may grow up to be elected to the federal level and can really wreck havoc with 2nd amendment rights. Also it seems we all ought to be vigilant for states enacting their own "AWB" 's. Don't forget Patty Murray "a mom in tennis shoes"!

September 14, 2004, 09:19 PM

I looked but couldn't find info either. Not sure ratings are out yet. Email me if you need info on the 18 Sept. elections.

edit 0956 hrs. 14 sept.04 (the day after)

Try this link: http://www.nrapvf.org/Elections/Default.aspx


flatdog, I tried your link but keep getting one of those PCBF messages.

September 15, 2004, 11:52 AM

The link worked for me BUT you prob. got one of those new fangled 'puters.

The site is the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund.



The above links are to the home page. Hopefully one of them will get you there. Click on the "Elections" Tab. That should pull up the page with a U.S.A. map and more info. WHEW!:D


September 17, 2004, 11:54 AM
I contributed cash to

1.) Tom Coburn - Oklahoma

2.) John Thune - South Dakota

3.) Alan Keyes - Illinois

I am a life member of the G.O.A. , a member of the NRA, I contribute to J.P.F.O., and I forget what else.

If you are going to talk the talk - WALK the WALK ...

regards all

September 18, 2004, 04:21 PM
The Club for Growth, a conservative free market PAC http://clubforgrowth.org/ is backing

Pete Coors of Colorado for Senate

Louie Gohmert, House, Texas District 1

Ted Poe, House, Texas District 2

Connie Mack from Florida 14th district

Greg Walcher from Colorado

Thelma Drake from Virginia, opposing David Ashe in November

Tom Coburn of Oklahoma for Senate

Jim DeMint (South Carolina) for Senate

Cathy McMorris (Washington - 5th District)

Arlene Wohlgemuth (Texas - 17th District)

John Swallow (Utah - 2nd District)

Patrick McHenry (North Carolina - 10th District)

Lynn Westmoreland (Georgia - 8th District)

Bobby Jindal (Louisiana - 1st District)

Jeff Flake (Arizona - 3rd District)

So far I like what these folks are doing and they are sucessful at getting their politicos elected.


October 6, 2004, 08:07 AM
Both candidates oppose renewal of the ban and are generally pro-gun, only counts for Senate Majority purposes.

IMO I'm not sure that is true. As Governor, Knowles sold out to the ecolgists more than once and cost Alaskans jobs. I believe he would sell out to the Democrat powerbrokers in D.C as well. He would vote with Chuck Ted Hillary and the rest.

It's true that Lisa voted with Boxer's trigger lock folks in march. When she got the e-mails and phone calls from home, that foolishness stopped. Although most Alaskans don't approve of how she got her senate seat, they think she is doing a fair job.

Connecticut Yankee
October 10, 2004, 01:20 PM

This has the latest polls for the races in AK, CO, FL, LA, NC, OK, SC, SD, WA and WI on one page. Per the latest polls (various dates late September to early October) Thune is four pointsahead, Coburn two points and DeMint ten points.

October 10, 2004, 11:55 PM
Re Arlen Specter, Pennsylvania:

I had a form letter form his D.C. office, dated 1 October, that as usual claimed his strong support for "the right of law abiding citizens to own guns".

He indicated/claimed that he had co-sponsored the Firearms Owners Protection Act, also known as Volkmer-McClure, which has done some good, except for the fact that the 1986 Machinegun Ban became attached to it, in an unrecorded voice vote.

He claimed "original co-sponsorship" of Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, which was "poisoned pilled to death" by Kennedy, Schumer, Clinton, Feinstein et al.

At other times, he has claimed he opposed the original Assault Weapons Ban, though he did vote for the underlying bill, that's the 1994 Crime Bill.

He also co-sponsored S. 253, the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2003, how do they ever manage to dream up such impressive sounding titles for legislative proposals, do they have some special machine for such work?? Problem with this, as I see it is that such legislation sets up a specially privileged class of persons, current and former government employees. Such action strikes me as being the very worst sort of public policy, and by the bye, to anyone who claims that having attained desired ends, that the police will now help the rest of us, had best give up smoking those funny cigaretts.

I believe that respecting any aspect of firearms, Specter's opponent Representative Hoffel is much worst that Arlen Specter is, however having had the opportunity to send Specter packing in the primaries, when Pat Toomey ran against him and lost a close election, the people spoke, one might say, Hoffel seems worse than Specter.

Specter's web site address is http://specter.senate.gov

October 15, 2004, 09:11 AM
This site may be helpful in picking candidates: http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm

October 17, 2004, 09:09 PM
Posted by MP5:

This site may be helpful in picking candidates: http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm

Excellent site!!:D

Bartholomew Roberts
October 25, 2004, 03:16 PM
Here is a link to the GOA election ratings for Senate and House candidates:

GOA 2004 Election Guide (http://www.gunowners.org/votetb04.htm)

Bartholomew Roberts
November 2, 2004, 02:20 PM
Dave Kopel's 2004 Election Guide For Gun Rights (http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel.asp)

November 2, 2004, 07:20 PM
It's a bit late...but check the Brady Campaing below for a detailed tally of how each Congress person has voted against gun rights,,,

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