[Oleg Volk]

http://www.forevervain.com/images/20040616-bike.jpg
Just found this on Kit's web site...looks like modern cyclists carry something more substantial than 5.5mm Velodog.

[denfoote]

Nice scenery...er.. I mean bike...er...gun.
That's it!! Nice gun!!! :D

[Amish_Bill]

5.5 Velodog?

[Oleg Volk]

Small centerfire revolver c.1900

[GigaBuist]

Holy pooh.

Hope it head a heavy pull.

[lee n. field]

She needs to be wearing a helmet. :)

[Amish_Bill]

She needs to be wearing a helmet. Why? Despite her youthful good looks, she's old enough (and smart enough, I might add) to make valid decisions for herself. I never have and never will wear a helmot for bike riding. Motorcycles, sure. Bikes - nope.

[TallPine]

Just found this on Kit's web site...
URL please ....? :)

[Oleg Volk]

http://www.forevervain.com

[whm1974]

Where does she live that she can "open carry" while ridding a bike?

-Bill

[lee n. field]

Why? Despite her youthful good looks, she's old enough (and smart enough, I might add) to make valid decisions for herself. I never have and never will wear a helmot for bike riding. Motorcycles, sure. Bikes - nope.

Head injuries are a bitch, even on a bike.

[Treylis]

Where does she live that she can "open carry" while ridding a bike?

She just moved to Montana from Virginia.

[BluesBear]

Well by golly there IS a gun in that photo isn't there?

[pauli]

She needs to be wearing a helmet.

Why? Despite her youthful good looks, she's old enough (and smart enough, I might add) to make valid decisions for herself. I never have and never will wear a helmot for bike riding. Motorcycles, sure. Bikes - nope.

yep. old enough to make valid decisions for herself. she still needs to be wearing a helmet.

best practices man, best practices.

[Vern Humphrey]

Quote:
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I never have and never will wear a helmot for bike riding. Motorcycles, sure. Bikes - nope.
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An analysis of motorcycle accidents shows that helmets are pretty much no protection at all at motorcycle speeds -- which is why many states have repealed their helmet laws.

Bicycles are another matter -- helmets do save lives and prevent serious injuries.

I bought a helmet for my wife, which she refused to wear. I finally insisted, and while we were riding through Colonial National Park (Yorktown, VA) she touched the brakes while going through the strream that flows across the road on the approach to Washington's Headquarters.

She went down like a ton of bricks, and the side of her head whiplashed into the pavement. She's a nurse, and has cared for many patients with brain injuries, and her comment was, "I thought 'It's all over now' when my head slammed into the concrete!"

The helmet saved her.

[sharpie613]

Oleg, sir, you are a god among men, and truly a both lucky and gifted individual.

[lee n. field]

Bicycles are another matter -- helmets do save lives and prevent serious injuries.

I lost some teeth and spent a couple hours in a, well, not exactly unconcious state (my friends said I was arguing with the ambulance guys) in 1979, for not wearing a helmet. I also, I believe, lost some verbal ability -- words came harder after the accident. I've worn one religiously ever since, with nary a scratch since.

That's why I made the initial comment about helmets.

Oh, yeah, nice pic.

[mfree]

"An analysis of motorcycle accidents shows that helmets are pretty much no protection at all at motorcycle speeds -- which is why many states have repealed their helmet laws."

Well that's fine... but you've got to remember that when you (and not necessarily your motorcycle with you) are coming to a stop, you pass right through those bicycle speeds where a helmet is handy.

If I were to bounce my noggin off the asphalt a couple times at 60mph, I'd sure want it wrapped in foam and fiberglass first.

[J Miller]

Very interesting site. I emailed it to my wife. I think she'll enjoy it.


As for bike helmets, I don't wear them either. Personal choice.
I sometimes however get a bit unhappy by those that insist on controlling everybody else and insisting (forcing) them to do what they don't want to do. To much "big brotherism" in bike helmets.



Joe

[pauli]

no more big brotherish than the rules of gun safety.

"who are you to tell me to keep my finger off the trigger?"

if you want to splash your brains, go right ahead, but kindly keep them off the trails i ride :)

[BryanP]

Well that's fine... but you've got to remember that when you (and not necessarily your motorcycle with you) are coming to a stop, you pass right through those bicycle speeds where a helmet is handy.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner.

I've had exactly one accident while riding a motorcycle. I was braking to a nice leisurely stop and hit a spot where some !@#$ changed his oil on street (?). The bike turned 90 degrees and flopped over. I smacked the back of my helmet on the asphalt good and hard. I don't have a bike these days but that one incident made a believer out of me.


Oh, and "Oooh, nice pic." :)

[BlkHawk73]

I never have and never will wear a helmot for bike riding. Motorcycles, sure. Bikes - nope.


Try doing some decent (not just meandering on some dirt footpath) mt biking and you'll eventually wish you had a little protection on your head. I'm still here because of helmets.

[mete]

Velodog - velocipede dog (velocipede is an early form of bicycle)The gun was made specifically to defend cyclists from dogs !!

[WhiteKnight]

no more big brotherish than the rules of gun safety.

My sentiments exactly.

There are certain things that one buys (guns, cars, businesses, boats) that are subject to government regulation. As right-wing as I consider myself to be, I see absoutely nothing wrong with a mandated seat-belt, bike helmet, or motorcycle helmet law. When one purchases one of the above items, contigent on the purchase he or she agrees to follow the rules and regulations for said object or suffer the penalties.

Well, who is anyone to tell me how much harmful pollution my car should emit?

Well, who is anyone to tell me how quickly I can or cannot drive?

Well, who is anyone to tell me I can't practice with my .50 BMG on an indoor backstop in my high-rise apartment?


If you don't want to wear a helmet, obey helmet/speed limit laws while on your own property, fine. But if the rules/regulations safeguard the lives of other people (emissions standards and urban in-home large caliber rifle practice) then they should exist, and there is no arguing the point without proving yourself foolish.

[ceetee]

My brother was in a situation where he went over on his Honda at high speeds (roughly 110 mph). He was going so fast that the tow truck driver strung out all his cable, and then had to lay out an additional hundred yards, just to reach where the bike ended up out in the field.

My brother skidded down the road for quite some way... his chest, back, and arms were 100% road rash. One leg was shattered from the impact of going over.

His helmet looked like somebody had taken a disc grinder to it in four or five spots, but he had no head injuries. The helmet saved his life... Of course, it also defeated Darwin, so I guess you win some, and you lose some...

[Dionysusigma]

If you can't find the girl in this pic in under 5 seconds, chances are...
http://www.forevervain.com/albums/oleg/abw.sized.jpg
...you're a THR member. :p
http://www.forevervain.com/galleria/oleg

[BryanP]

If you can't find the girl in this pic in under 5 seconds, chances are...

Guns? What guns? Oh. Those guns. Took me a second. I guess I'm not a real THR'er. :)

[nero45acp]

In a perfect world:

If you engage in an activity that has a realistic potential to harm others then it is reasonable that society should have some input/oversight in that activity.

If the activity only endangers oneself then society should mind it's own business.


Like most things in life, it should be kept as simple as possible.




nero

[jamz]

I seem to see an argument about "rules" versus "laws".

The four gun rules are not laws, and never will be.

It was said "She should be wearing a helmet". Indeed, I think she should. However, it should not be the law that a helmet must be worn. See the difference?

I've crushed a helmet on a downhill run once, right where my temple would have been. I'll always wear a helmet. Because I like people, and wish them the best, I think they all should wear helmets too. I would be extremely angry if it were to become a law however.

-James

[Amish_Bill]

If I were to run mountainbikes downhill at satisfyingly fast rates, I would probably opt for a helmet. As it it, the most I do (or will do, after getting a working bike) is an entertaining paved downgrade. For that, no helmet. To use one situation to justify strong-arming the other is not logically coherent.

Now, can we get back to the topic?

What kind of holster for the Velodog? Ice Kydex maybe? :D

[mec]

Maybe, Just Maybe she TOOK THE HELMET OFF SO YOU COULD SEE HER FACE. There is no pc regarding wearing a helmet when you are just sitting there in the parking lot. Maybe she took off her vest so you coud see the gun too.

Velo-Dog From NAA article:
"A digression: The name Velo Dog comes from "velocipede," meaning bicycle, and "dog," meaning dog, and the upshot was that you used a centerfire cartridge launching a 45 gr. bullet at 750 fps to shoot dogs that chased you while you were riding your bicycle. The dog would either curl up and die or betake himself off into the middle distance, either outcome being an acceptable outcome for the velodipedalist.


The modern user should take note that it is currently more acceptable to shoot the bicyclist five times than to apply even one round to an animal, however obstreperous the conduct of the canine interloper might be."

[Treylis]

Maybe she took off her vest so you coud see the gun too.

IIRC, she said that she took off her jacket because it was hot out and you can get away with that kind of thing in Montana, anyways.

[Double Maduro]

Whiteknight

You might add;

Who are they to tell me I can't carry a gun for personal protection?

Who are they to tell me I must keep my gun unloaded?

Who are they to tell me I can only buy so many guns a month?

Who are they to tell me I can only have so much ammo on hand?

Who are they to tell me I must be fingerprinted to buy ammo?

Who are they to tell me what firearms I may own?

the list goes on and on but you get the drift.


We have gone from a society that valued personal responsibility to one that wants to let our uncle in D.C., or our state capitol, do everything for us. This includes making us follow certain safety regulations. Obviously if we are too stupid to wear helmets on motorcycles we should have a law forcing us to, "for our own protection".

If we are too stupid to keep our guns unloaded and locked we should have a law forcing us to, "for our own protection".

If we are too stupid to realize that we can never shoot 1000 rounds of ammo before we could buy more, we should have a law regulating how much ammo we can own at any given time, "for our own protection".

If we are too stupid to realize that assault weapons have no use in hunting we should have a law that prohibits us from owning them, "for our own protection".

Let's get away from government enforced behavior modification and back to a system where informed people make decisions that affect their lives for themselves.

My point is that we have gotten into the habit of letting others think for us. This is never a good thing, and keeps us from learning to think for ourselves. Now that we have accepted the fact that the government can force us to wear helmets for our own protection" it is easier to accept that we should all have trigger locks on all of our weapons, "for our own protection". Or any of the miriad other stupid proposals that keep coming out, "for our own protection".

A slippery slope indeed.

We need to fight the assault on all of our freedoms, not only the ones that directly affect us, all of them. Everytime a stupid law is passed mandating a safety regulation it makes it easier for the next one to pass, "for our own protection".

DM

[Zundfolge]

Helmets.


Did ANYONE in this thread propose a law requiring helmets?

If not then go run to the bathroom and unbunch your panties. :p



You're a fool if you don't wear a helmet (bicycle or motorcycle) or don't wear your seat belts, or smoke, or don't exercise, or eat too much fatty food, etc.

But you're a bigger fool if you let the government force you.

[Nathaniel Firethorn]

Had a (stupid, totally my fault, Condition White) accident on a bicycle about 15 years ago now. Broke the helmet, broke four teeth, and was unconscious for about 30 minutes. I recovered with only a bunch of pain to deal with. Had I not been wearing the helmet, I'd prolly be in a sheltered workshop now, trying to figure out how to make Christmas ornaments out of pinecones or something.

- pdmoderator

[Combat-wombat]

Whiteknight, there's a huge difference between shooting a .50 BMG in your apartment (which endangers others) and not wearing a helmet. Not wearing a helmet is YOUR decision as it deals with YOUR safety, and does not endanger others.

[TheEgg]

WOW!

Someone posts a picture of a pretty girl, and we get an argument.

Some people are just wound WAAAAAAAAAY too tight!

Me, I am just enjoying the view.:D

[joab]

Yeah egg that's why I love this forum. Start a thread about a bicycle gun and not only do we get a discussion on helmet safety but I find out how my Velo Dog got it's name
Just to keep it on topic here,s my dog gunhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v14/bugman/posting/d530fced.jpg

And on an off topic note I was in a bike wreck in '83. Estimated speed was 75mph other than all the broken bones, there was a gash in back of the helmet where it slid across a gravel pit and a rock was imbeded in another spot. Both injuries to the helmet went all the way through to the styrofoam insert, the point of the rock actually pierced my scalp. If not for the helmet I would most defineitly been dead