2nd supports the 1st, and what I'm doing about it


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Brrlgrrl
June 17, 2004, 04:07 PM
Today I am going to counter-protest a “Peace vigil” in my neighborhood. A group of anti-war people have been gathering at the park every week during Farmer’s Market for 14 months. They stand directly across the street from the Veteran’s Hall with “Bush Warmonger” signs and the like.
I looked up their website and came across an article that really bothered me and emailed the author. She titled it “I Have Met The Enemy…” She was referring to a retired Navy man who had pulled over to tell her he would not let people like her ruin this country. I was appalled at her language, her attitude and her article.
Her article is here:http://www.solanopeaceandjustice.com/
My response:
Dear Ms. Kneisler,
I apologize for your experience during that rally in Benicia. Although I do not know the man you were involved in a confrontation with, I do know his values. I live in Benicia as well. I also support America being involved in this war.
You stated that you had met the enemy. This man served in the military to protect our liberty. It is that liberty which allows your group to protest war. Under the First Amendment to the Constitution of The United States, you have that right. It is under the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States that we will protect your right to the First.
You said in your article, and I quote, "Yes, people say that to one another these days in … where was it that I thought I lived? America? The land of Thomas Jefferson? Of mom and apple pie? Of noble, lofty principles? Of goodness, sweetness and light? " This was in reference to foul language that both you and the gentleman exchanged. Apparently you enjoy the liberty of the First Amendment, so why would you disregard the Second?
If you would like a little insight into Thomas Jefferson's world that you miss so much let me give you a quote from the man himself.
"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every
form of tyranny over the mind of man." --Thomas Jefferson
Please let me remind you about our purpose in Iraq. We are helping to free the Iraqis from a tyrannical form of government. Doing so will ensure our liberties here.
See you Thursday, from across the street, on the Veteran's side.
Sincerely,
Brrlgrrl
I am going to go there today by myself, stand in front of the Veteran’s Hall with a sign that reads, “I Love Veterans”. I don’t believe it will make a difference other than make me feel better. I cannot ignore them any longer.

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joe sixpack
June 17, 2004, 04:29 PM
BrrlGrrl,

Way to go! I think those of us that cannot be there with you physically
are there in spirit.

cheers, ab

Antlurz
June 17, 2004, 04:35 PM
I can't personally stand her, but I believe one of the popular diva's on daytime TV has a saying...

"You go, Girl"

Sic em.

Ron

Chipperman
June 17, 2004, 05:12 PM
Good on ya'

Hopefully you can get some others to join in with you.

Brrlgrrl
June 17, 2004, 05:22 PM
Thanks for the kind words. My big brother may or may not show up (we live in the same small town).
I've been reading alot about these folks, and have watched the protest warrior videos. I'm actually pretty nervous! They have proven to be a very violent bunch at the larger protests. Rock throwing, puching and screaming, etc. I hope this is more civil. This is a first for me.
I thought I'd let you know that I would taking a "High Road" approach to this. At first I told my brother that I would like to go through their group and shake their hands, introducing myself as a proud American. My brother discouraged this by saying they will definitely NOT shake my hand. Instead, I will stand quietly across the street with my sign. (wearing a pro gun tee shirt)
I will be arming myself with a camera just in case! lol
And my pocket Constitution.
I'll let you know how it goes.

fjolnirsson
June 17, 2004, 06:15 PM
CRAP, crap crap!
I can't make it today! That's in my backyard! I want to attend one later, if you keep doing this. Let me know? What time is the farmer's market/ protest,etc?

Michigander
June 17, 2004, 06:46 PM
I'm not sure I follow.

I commend you for supporting our troops. I do as well.

I commend you for supporting our human right to keep and bear arms. I do as well.

I cannot commend you for supporting a war I do not support and believe to be unconstitutional.

Is there a connection being made between the US Government's standing army at war in Iraq and my human right to be armed?

Please let me remind you about our purpose in Iraq. We are helping to free the Iraqis from a tyrannical form of government. Doing so will ensure our liberties here.
Is that what "we" did in 1953 in Iran? Did it ensure our liberties here?

Is that what "we" did in the 1980's in Iraq by partnering with Saddam? Did it ensure our liberties here?

Is that what "we" did when we trained the resistence in Afghanistan (which included binLaden)? Did it ensure our liberties here?

And my human right to keep and bear arms is related to this how?

Treylis
June 17, 2004, 07:20 PM
Please let me remind you about our purpose in Iraq. We are helping to free the Iraqis from a tyrannical form of government. Doing so will ensure our liberties here.

I'd also advise you to take a look at the current Iraqi constitution, which is not only terrible in a great number of ways, but also explicitly states that Iraqis have no right to keep and bear arms. So nice that modern constitutions restrict the people and not the government.

(I just sigh and wish the spineless Republicans would have insisted on just using the American one, but, hey, you get what you vote for.)

Standing Wolf
June 17, 2004, 09:26 PM
I don’t believe it will make a difference other than make me feel better. I cannot ignore them any longer.

Your words and actions are making a difference already. Well done!

Brrlgrrl
June 18, 2004, 11:08 AM
I was pleasantly surprised. I was about to chicken out, but decided that I would be very dissapointed in myself if I took that route. I walked up the street with my homemade "I love Veterans" sign, and stood by myself infront of the Veterans Hall, across the street from the anti war protesters. I had been standing tall and proud with a smile on my face, for about a half an hour when suddenly I realized a young soldier in uniform standing right next to me! He was smiling too.
During the time I stood alone, others had gathered on the corner with signs, flags, and smiles on their faces. This young soldier suggested to me that we move up the street a little, and join the others. I'm glad I did. Turns out there are more than a few people in our little town that support our troops. Many honks, thumbs up, and comments like, "It sure is nice to see you folks out here for a change".
To those that don't support this war, I would like to make a quote, and refer you to a man who knows history alot better than I do.
Quote "No sane person wants to fight a war. But many sane people believe that there are times when they are necessary. I believe this is one of those times.
For it seems to me that if you are against any war – if you believe that peace is always the right choice -- then you must believe at least one, if not both of the following:
1. People will always be able to come to a reasonable agreement, no matter how deep or contentious the issue, and that all people are rational, reasonable, honorable, decent and sane,
or,
2. It is more noble to live under slavery and oppression, to endure torture, institutionalized rape, theft and genocide than it is to fight it." End quote.

http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000039.html

Antlurz
June 18, 2004, 12:45 PM
Brrlgrrl...

Thank you.

Ron

Michigander
June 18, 2004, 05:34 PM
To those that don't support this war, I would like to make a quote, and refer you to a man who knows history alot better than I do.
Quote "No sane person wants to fight a war. But many sane people believe that there are times when they are necessary. I believe this is one of those times.
For it seems to me that if you are against any war – if you believe that peace is always the right choice -- then you must believe at least one, if not both of the following:
1. People will always be able to come to a reasonable agreement, no matter how deep or contentious the issue, and that all people are rational, reasonable, honorable, decent and sane,
or,
2. It is more noble to live under slavery and oppression, to endure torture, institutionalized rape, theft and genocide than it is to fight it." End quote.

I do not support this war.
I do believe there are times when war is necessary.
This quote you cite does not apply.

Good job supporting our troops, however. :)

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