officers 1911 vs. glock 36


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JERRY
June 19, 2004, 03:01 PM
being that they are of the same capasity and caliber........

the glock being lighter and "dao" and the officers model being cocked and locked and heavier, id say they are about equal.


would a trade between a glock 36 and a stainless officer .45 (s.a., colt,....ect...) be a fair deal?

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Redlg155
June 19, 2004, 03:24 PM
From a monetary viewpoint, the guy getting the stainless Officers ACP would definitely be getting the better part of the deal since a G36 is worth less.

Otherwise they would fill the same roles.

Good Shooting
Red

9mmepiphany
June 19, 2004, 10:09 PM
the colt would definately be the better end of the deal...unless you prefer having your safety on the trigger face as opposed to under the control of your thumb. there is also the visual preference of the unseen partially cocked striker as opposed to the cocked and locked hammer.

i would object to the weight of the stainless officers ACP...as i prefer the alloy frame...but i would take it's slimmer slide over the blockier glock for CCW

Combat-wombat
June 19, 2004, 10:11 PM
I'd take the 1911- But for defense, .45 through a short barrel is worthless, as a JHP round does not gain enough velocity to expand properly.

Harbinger
June 19, 2004, 10:33 PM
Worthless? :scrutiny:
JHP the only choice?

Combat-wombat
June 19, 2004, 10:42 PM
well, I take "worthless" back, but JHPs do not expand properly, I'm guessing JSP's wouldn't either, and FMJ is not a good defense choice.

Harbinger
June 19, 2004, 10:47 PM
I'm thinkin' there's probably a few veterans that would disagree with you on the FMJ opinion. ;)

45Badger
June 20, 2004, 12:03 AM
"and FMJ is not a good defense choice.":uhoh:


Take two in the chest and let us all know what a bad choice it was.:D

nemesis
June 20, 2004, 12:30 AM
I'd take the 1911- But for defense, .45 through a short barrel is worthless, as a JHP round does not gain enough velocity to expand properly.

I use Remington Golden Saber 185 grain +Ps as carry ammo for my 3.5 inch Springfield Ultra Compact and they chrono'd just very slightly under 1050 fps over my Pact Pro chrono.

How fast do you think they need to go for expansion?

denfoote
June 20, 2004, 05:26 AM
Yeah!!
What's this :cuss: about the G36 being worthless???
Come into the Black Widow Maker's web and see how hard she bites!!! :evil:

http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v22/denfoote/G36_and_knife.jpg

gggman
June 20, 2004, 06:09 AM
I owned an Officers ACP, and it was very unreliable. It may be worth more than the Glock, but I would not want to depend on it for a carry weapon. Glocks may be ugly plastic things, but they are reliable.

spartacus2002
June 20, 2004, 08:56 AM
I had a G36. I got rid of it. It was a great pistol, but too much of a hand-cannon because the light weight made the recoil and muzzle jump unforgivable. I got too scared to touch it off. So, I got a fullsize 1911. Going from 20 oz. to 45oz. fixed that recoil problem :D

if you're getting the glock in this trade, PM me and I can give you some good info on curing the crappy trigger pull.

SAWBONES
June 20, 2004, 11:37 AM
I can't give advice about trades, but I will note that opinions and experiences sure do differ regarding the guns in question.

I find the Glock 36 to be a real pussycat to shoot (with full power loads in the 200gr and 230gr), and to have less felt recoil than any of the more compact 1911s, including the Combat Commander, though more than the Glock 30.

I own two each G36s and G30s, as well as a half dozen 1911s, and my comparisons are based on a fair amount of shooting experience. I just don't understand how anyone can complain about recoil in any of these guns.

The G36 really excels for CCW due to its light weight and thinness. The 1911 (in any form except the ParaOrdnance "fatbody" pistols) is even a bit thinner, but nonetheless necessarily heavier in almost all cases, so there are tradeoffs, as usual.
Of course, any Glock lacks the cache' of a 1911, but then most of us who have practiced serious CCW on a daily basis for decades have reached some conclusions about what is and isn't really important, and "feeling cool" about which pistol you carry, and the very-common "gun as talisman" concept (wherein the toter has a false sense of security, either from carrying a mousegun as a primary weapon or from carrying an empty-chambered sidearm) are hopefully left far behind.

Either platform is or can be made as thoroughly reliable as it's possible for manmade machines to be, though in general the Glock is the more likely to be reliable right out of the box. Both guns are more inherently accurate and precise than most folks can fully utilize.

"You pays your money and you takes your choice".

JMNSHOs, as usual.

BluesBear
June 20, 2004, 12:16 PM
I'd take the 1911- But for defense, .45 through a short barrel is worthless, as a JHP round does not gain enough velocity to expand properly.
well, I take "worthless" back, but JHPs do not expand properly, I'm guessing JSP's wouldn't either, and FMJ is not a good defense choice.

:rolleyes:

:scrutiny:

:banghead:

George Hill
June 20, 2004, 04:45 PM
That's funny. Maybe if you use Federal's reduced power "Personal Defense" ammunition... maybe. But I'm not going to volunteer to get shot with one.
Most other rounds will do plenty of damage.
I used to think that I wanted to stay lighter and faster in the short tubes, but that is not necessary. The 185's are speedier from the short tubes, but they are also making the gun that much harder to control.
It's a trade off.
The key is to pick a round that is reliable in the gun, and that you can shoot accurately and that you are comfortable with.

A short barrel .45 can still do what you need the bullet to do... penetrate deep and damage or destroy the vitals inside.

I'd rather carry a short .45 than a short smaller caliber.

jc2
June 20, 2004, 05:02 PM
You just have to be a little more careful with your ammo selection with short-barrel .45s. The Ranger T stuff (both varieties) and Taurus Hex rounds both work well with short barrels--with Hydra-Shoks, though, you might as well carry ball.

It would, of course, depend on the reliability of Officer Model--some are and some aren't but then the G36 hasn't exactly been a paradigm of performance either. All else being equal, I would probably opt for the OM because I prefer heavier guns (a good holster and belt makes it easer), and I have some reservations about the safety of carrying a Glock (and particularly one that small) concealed--frankly I prefer a real safety (and the grip safety helps too.

Longbow
June 20, 2004, 05:17 PM
In my experience, the G36 is by far, more reliable than smaller 1911's. But if resale or collector value is an issue, the 1911, specially if its a Colt, wins hands down. For carry or HD, I'll pick the Glock 36.
It might be true that .45 ACP HP's don't expand relliably in short barrels, but as been said before, they don't shrink either. A .45 cal hole is a .45 cal hole! Its Big! ;)

WT
June 20, 2004, 08:12 PM
Like Longbow said.

I think the Officer's Model makes a fine paperweight. From what I've learned from personal experience as well as reading the web, I'd say there is a 50% probability of getting a reliable OM. Some gunsmiths won't even touch them.

9mmepiphany
June 21, 2004, 12:02 AM
my LW officer's ACP was reliable right out of the box, as was the stainless one before it (just too heavy for my taste). i had the throat polished and extractor/trigger tuned out of habit. the reverse plug/recoil guide was the only thing added for reliability.

i later added a long trigger, brown thumb and grip safety, undercut frontstrap and S&A magwell just as a personal preference. my local pistolsmith was able to tune the 80 series trigger to a very clean 4lbs.

after the first 200 rounds of Blazer 200gr JHP i would have felt comfortable carrying it without the work.

rappa
June 21, 2004, 09:09 AM
Selling the 1911 may be a better option than an even trade b\c you can probably get a G36 and a good carry rig with the $$$. Or just keep the 1911 and save up and buy a new\used G36. Used Glocks are easy to find and relatively priced to sell. New ones are priced to sell as well as long as you do some comparison shopping (on the web).

FWIW - I carry a Glock 36 and it's been great right out of the box for the past year (2K rounds and counting).

Combat-wombat
June 25, 2004, 09:56 PM
I'm not saying an FMJ is worthless, but I'd definitely take JHP's over that any day.

After reading QuarterBoreGunner's story of self defense with a sub-compact Glock .45, and the JHPs not expanding properly (I'm too lazy to dig up the TFL link), well, that's what made me inclined to say all that. True, the small .45s aren't worthless (I may have misworded it a little), but I'd pick somthing else for my personal defense.

DoubleAction
June 26, 2004, 12:48 AM
There was a time when I shot this pistol like it was the only one I owned; never failed to feed, shoot, or hit what I was aiming at. I like the round top slide the best on this one, the nickel adds alot to this pistol when drawing it from leather, or the slide action. It is heaver than the alloy frame lightweight, but it shoots very solid.
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-5/195114/officer.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-5/195114/framesaver03.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-5/195114/framesaver04.jpg
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E357
June 27, 2004, 02:51 AM
Hey, if you don't think the rounds will expand then shoot 200 grain semi-wadcutters; and cut a nice clean large hole all the way through. Your average "45 target load" will pass right though most humans. That's from a five inch barrel. From an OM you'll need a little more powder.

MY 185-200 Gold-Dot +P's expand well (wet papers) from my OM.

Elliot

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