Browning Hi Power in a 9mm world


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Rival
June 21, 2004, 11:47 PM
How does BHP fare comparing to other modern full size designs such as Beretta 92, CZ-75, SiG 226, Glock 17, HK USP, Walther P99? Is it morally old and outdated construction wise, or it still can hold its own ground?
Does anybody have some of these handguns so they can compare them side by side?

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Wildalaska
June 22, 2004, 12:10 AM
I have a BHP, a SIG 228, a walther P99 and an HK P7...i have at one time or another owned every quality 9mm pistol ever made..

The BHP is number 1, timeless, accurate, elegant and sturdy.

Wildp35Alaska

natedog
June 22, 2004, 12:16 AM
Think of it as the 1911 of the Wondernine world.

The BHP (specifically, the updated MKIII version) is single action. It SHOULD have a really nice trigger, but it has a (eaily removed) magazine disconnect, which fouls it up some. Not as nice as a 1911 trigger, but much better than a Glock, DA/SA, or DAO. The magazine disconnect prevents the gun from being fired without the magazine in place. What the BHP is best known for is ergonomics. For me, it fits my hand like no other. It is a double stack handgun, with 13 round magazines standard, and with 14, 15, even 17 round magazines (that don't protrude from the grip, save for a small part that's hid with a bumper pad). It is one of the thinnest double stacks around, making it easier to carry IWB. All steel, so it's heavier than aluminum or plastic framed guns, but it's not too bad at 32 oz. The newer MKIII version has bigger, bolder sights and extended safety, making it pretty much ready for "serious" work right out of the box. Some people may be bit by the hammer, but it's easily fixed by shaving down the spur slightly. My favorite handgun, and I haven't even shot it yet :D. (Soon, very very soon).

For the real BHP resource center, check out www.hipowersandhandguns.com. Mr. Camp is the online god of Hi-Powers.

Zak Smith
June 22, 2004, 12:31 AM
The BHP is the smallest, easiest to carry "full-size" 9x19 you'll find. It is thin and has a short grip, yet holds 15+1 with the right mags. Because of the compact size, I find it easier to carry than a lighter and smaller Glock 27. The trigger is as good as anything except a good 1911 trigger.

All the pistols you mention: Glock 19/17, Beretta, CZ, SIG, USP, P99, are considerably more bulky than the BHP. The BHP is also easier to carry than a CZ Compact, due to grip length and pistol width.

The only other 9mm I carry is a P7.

-z

RGO
June 22, 2004, 01:02 AM
In a thread a while back, someone said, "A BHP in hand means instant confidence." I think that says it all.

It is my preferred 9mm handgun. Actually, it's my preferred handgun, period. They are quality products. Aside from the magazine disconnector, they are just about perfect out of the box. Large enough to handle easily and small enough to conceal. Also, my BHP is my only firearm that has had a 100% reliability rate.

Josey
June 22, 2004, 01:07 AM
I will even add the EAA Witness. I have tried them all. I even gave Ruger polymer a try. I trust and carry a MKIII BHP 9MM. I do have a Colt 1911 and a VIS-35 too. JMB knew how to design and his designs are timeless.

albanian
June 22, 2004, 01:18 AM
I have mixed views on the BHP. It has points that make it a nice gun but it has others that prevent it from being perfect out of the box.

BHP pros:
1. It has the best grip of any double stack 9mm I have ever tried. It feels like it could be a single stack it is so small.

2. It is at least average in terms of accuracy and often far above average.

3. Made well.

4. Overall a small package so it can be a CCW if needed.

5. One of the most beautiful auto pistols you can get.

6. Hi-caps can be had for good prices.

7. Easy to work on.

CONS:

1. The trigger is often poor. Removing the mag safety helps but often still leaves you with a less than great trigger.

2. The mag safety sucks!

3. The SA only design is not for everyone. I won't carry a SA pistol, I want a DA/SA or a DAO.

4. The safety on some models is too small to engage or disengage under stress.

5. Snappy recoil for the weight and size of gun.

6. Heavy, all steel.

7. Not always reliable. Mine jammed if I DIDN'T limp wrist it. :confused:

8. Sights are too small.

Overall I would give it a thumbs down for a CCW because I think there are much better choices out there for a self defense handgun. Most people would be better off with a Glock 19 than a BHP. I think a BHP is more for experts than newbies. In the right hands, it is a great weapon but it takes time to master.

I am going to go out on a line here and say that the BHP is out dated. I think all SA only pistols are outdated and that includes 1911s. I know it sounds crazy. I am not saying I don't like them, just that they are out dated. A revolver is out dated also but I have a bunch of them and I trust them with my life. Sometimes outdated is good, i think I am out dated:D.

You asked so I told.

Tecolote
June 22, 2004, 01:19 AM
It's great for what it does but I wouldn't take one over a SIG. Heresy you say? Out of the box the HP's trigger is pretty bad. The grip is comfortable but hammer bite is a problem for some people. IMHO the slide is too thin, especially if your hands are wet from sweat. But I think that everyone should have a BHP because it's a classic. I just don't rank it higher than a P226 or P228.:)

faustulus
June 22, 2004, 02:02 AM
If I knew I was going to have to do some life or death shooting, and could only have a handgun, there is no other pistol in the world I would want with me.

Zak Smith
June 22, 2004, 02:15 AM
While my MKIII's have been good-to-go with acceptible triggers out of the box - and I've carried them stock, to really make the BHP hum, I have a good trigger job done (also removes some take-up and reset distance), remove the mag safety, and put on some good Novak or Heinie sights.

-z

GW
June 22, 2004, 03:41 AM
The High Power is as classic a design as the 1911.
It is a highly reliable system. I have Glock, CZ 75, Beretta 92 and a P-38
but I'd grab the Hi Power first of all of them

Croyance
June 22, 2004, 05:07 AM
I have no idea of what you mean by "morally old".

I actually like the triggers on mine. I got them used, so there is some wear in. The G17 definitely has a worse trigger than even the most lemon HiPower.

I think it fits well in the hand because it is a double stack. The 1911 has very thick wood grips to make it feel good in the hand. Thin grips on a 1911 make the grips feel oddly proportioned. The grip on the Beretta is wide for many people, as is the H&K USP (full sized, compact is a good grip). The G17 just feels toy-like in my hand. The Walther feels good, but top-heavy.

The capacity is not an issue for me. Guns like the Glock 17 have very long grips in order to get a magazine to fit 17 rounds. Heck, make it long enough and you can get 30.

I have most of what you listed, and tried the rest, so I guess I can compare.

To me, it feels right in the hand. The grip is shaped right, the width and depth of the grip seem to fit many hands. The balance is excellent, leading to natural "pointability" and good reactiveness. I think recoil is actually better in a HiPower than a Beretta 92.

RON in PA
June 22, 2004, 12:02 PM
Nothing feels as good as a Browning HP in the hand. In my experience with one of Argentine manufacture, one FN and one Browning (my latest acquisiton) I've had exactly one malfunction, the second round through the first mag in the Argentine. The newer MK3s feed everything I've tried and their sights are excellent. The triggers get a bum rap, they are a bit on the heavy side, but break cleanly. They are compared to the trigger of a 1911 and nothing is as good as a 1911 trigger. The triggers do get better with use (this goes for almost any pistol in my experience).

One downside of the HP is its price and if you can live with the painted/parkerized finish of the FN (not prettty but more durable) you can save approx. $125-150 over a blued Browning.

Compared to more modern autos I think that the HP like any other SA auto requires more training, but that's my opinion, others may differ. You should know that as much as I like the HP my carry piece is a revolver.

HiWayMan
June 22, 2004, 03:52 PM
The original Wondernine and still king is the BHP. Personally I feel that trigger mumbo-jumbo is BS. Thin profile and with the optional compact detective slide it is quite possibly the best CCW handgun going today. All the reliablity of a 1911 in 9mm. Can you really ask for more? And in my opinion as far as the BHP is concerned, older is always better. The new makes don't have the looks or feel of the older (pre-60s) ones.

Brian Williams
June 22, 2004, 04:32 PM
I have 2 9mm's, a S&W 940 revolver and a Glock 19. My daughter has confiscated the Glock and I carry the 940 much of the time. If I were to get a 9mm auto it would be a BHP or a FM Argentine version. I might think about a 1st gen Glock 17 but none of the others tweaks my fancy. Even the CZ has a tang that stick in the web of my hand and the witness just does not fit right either. this is one of my favorite BHP pics stolen from TFL.
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8913

Lennyjoe
June 22, 2004, 06:54 PM
I love it.

So much that Its the only 9MM left in my collection.

As for the trigger, it only takes a little work to sweeten the trigger up.

And accuracy is awesome out of mine.:D

25 yds indoor. See what I mean?


http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid102/p9ebda14b29d6ce4dadd1e0666b2bc9ea/f9b2bcbf.jpg

Zak Smith
June 22, 2004, 07:30 PM
Brian,

Hey! I bought that BHP off someone on TFL!

-z

RatFink
June 22, 2004, 08:29 PM
I've seen a lot of people post about bad trigger jobs on their BHP's so what I'm about to say is probably considered a NO-NO by most;

I took my FEG apart (the mag safety was gone when I bought it) and took note of all the surfaces that where part of the trigger mechanism, and polished them with a dremmel+small erasure type polishing wheel+Flitz, I changed no angles and removed no metal other than just what was removed in polishing. The trigger is fantastic.

I'm not advocating that everyone do this, just saying that a little polishing is all it needs.

Rembrandt
June 22, 2004, 08:54 PM
QUOTE: "Is it morally old and outdated construction wise, or it still can hold its own ground?"

Perhaps a test should be conducted to see if the BHP is inferior...

Remember the old Coke/Pepsi taste tests....pour some of each into an unmarked cup and let a test subject decide which tasted better....well...

I'll baracade myself in a building armed with all the possible candidates for best handgun....you can try a forceable entry....if you are killed in the attempt we'll check to see if the gun "was morally old and outdated construction wise, or if it can still hold it's ground"... :p

Brian Williams
June 22, 2004, 09:38 PM
That was Warriorsociologist's and I missed trading a mod 66 for it I hope it shoots well for you.

OBTW Warriorsoc is a member here also

Sunray
June 22, 2004, 10:33 PM
My Inglis is 100% reliable when I have it in 9mm mode.( I have a .41AE barrel for it too) What's just as, if not more, important is that it fits my hand. Not one of the "wonder nines" does. It's very sad as I was working in a gun store when the CZ 75 first came to Canada back in '79-'80. Nice. Doesn't fit my hand.

corruptone
June 22, 2004, 11:05 PM
The opinion I'm about to offer is from a guy who just received his first Hipower yesterday. I found a great deal on a NIB FN and I just had to have it. Now for some background on my firearm shooting/collecting/accumulating: When I was much younger my father always had a 1911 and a Hipower. When I was old enough to have my first handgun my father tried and tried to convince me that a Hipower would be ideal for me. I wouldn't listen because I felt it was old, made of steel and not polymer, SA and not SA/DA, etc. and of course when you are that young you think your father has no idea what he is talking about. Instead I opted for a Beretta 92FS because I saw it was the 'IN' thing and had just been adopted by the US Military. I had the same mentality concerning long arms as well. My father preferred a M-14/M1A and I preferred a AR-15. Now some 15 some years later, I've just recently began to become knowledgeable about firearms, their designs, functions and ergonomics and how that plays into ones shooting ability. In the past 3 years I've probably bought (and sold) some 12-15 1911's from various manufacturers...maybe more. I Sold the Beretta because I have smallish hands and while it was 100% reliable, just never really fit me. Now I buy what I shoot best or really good deals anyway:)

I say all of that to preface this statement: The Hipower fits my hand better than ANY other pistol I have ever tried and I've owned/shot a good many. I think that in the hands of someone who is trained properly, the SA is actually better suited than SA/DA., but that's just my opinion. Holding a Hipower after shooting 1911's.....well, let's just say there isn't allot of transition training necessary. I can honestly say that is Hipower is just the first in my collection.

I'll start a thread later on the whole mentality thing and how that effects one purchases later.

RatFink
June 23, 2004, 01:04 AM
corruptone,

Nice ain't they. I sold my first because at the time I could really afford to buy the 1911 I wanted so I sold my BHP to finance that purchase. I've always regretted that. Awhile ago I bought an FEG hoping it would fill the gap, and while it feels and shoots just like an HP, when I saw that same deal I had no choice but to replace the FEG with the real thing.

Hopefully I'll have it tomorrow, it should have been here today, but my FFL friend was unavailable all day for me to see if it arrived.

Dienekes
June 23, 2004, 02:33 AM
The BHP is my only rationale for owning a 9mm. First fired an Inglis in a "commando match" in Canada in 1960 and was rather taken by it. Many years later I finally got a Mk.I* (tangent sighted model) just to have one, and picked up a very nice Israeli Mk III a few years back. Fitted up a proper safety and Spegel delrins and otherwise left it stock. I do not shoot them as well as a 1911, but they are elegant, reliable pieces and with a +P+ 115 gr. load will do the job.

Picked up a Glock 17 at about the same time as the Mk III. As the old saying goes, I had two happy days with the Glock; the day I bought it and the day I sold it.

The BHP will do to ride the river with.

Dave Markowitz
June 23, 2004, 09:37 AM
I have a BHP Practical. NOTHING feels as good in my hand as a BHP. While I wouldn't mind having other 9mms, I have no need for any others.

Northslope Nimrod
June 23, 2004, 07:22 PM
Friends that shoot other 9mm's love my BHP. (Mk III) I have shot several 9mm's but have not shot a Beretta or other large metal 9mm's. The BHP is extremely slim for a full size, especially in the slide/barrel. It has instinctive pointability, large sites, extreme reliability (I have never had a misfeed in over 600 rounds!), easy to take down, not too heavy, great ergonomics. YES the trigger stinks out of the box. My $25 trigger job and removal of the mag safety mad all the difference in the world.
Browning was ahead of his time. Don't be fooled by the age of the design!

JNewell
June 23, 2004, 10:43 PM
No one's mentioned the fact that the mags don't drop free? (Other than the newer ones with the little spring on the base, but I think they're all only 10-round flavor.)

Does removing the mag safety make the standard mags drop free? I seem to recall that it doesn't, at least not in all Hi-Powers?

Dienekes
June 23, 2004, 10:48 PM
Removing the magazine safety on my Mk III BHP allowed the original and Mec-Gar 13 rounders to drop free nicely. My Inglis is stock and retains them.

Lots of opinions about removing the magazine safety but in addition to the theoretical tactical advantage it simplifies the manual of arms--and IMHO is safer because it's simpler.

corruptone
June 24, 2004, 12:17 AM
ALL 3 of my mags will drop free from my new FN and I have not removed the mag safety so I would not say that the statement about mags not dropping free is a hard and fast rule. That includes my factory with the mousetrap spring, my Mecgar without the mousetrap, and my KRD 15-round without mousetrap. I would wager that there are less Hipower owners that have an issue with mags not dropping free than those who do not. .

WonderNine
June 24, 2004, 12:25 AM
I have never seen any magazines that do not drop free once the magazine disconnect is removed.

One time I had a problem on my MKIII of the magazines not dropping free and discovered it was that my grip screws were too tight on the factory wrap around grips.

RatFink
June 24, 2004, 12:55 AM
I just finished taking the mag safety off my new HP, all of my mags drop free. I didn't check before I took the mag safety off though.

Clean97GTI
June 24, 2004, 12:56 AM
In my experience with one of Argentine manufacture, one FN and one Browning (my latest acquisiton)

The Browning HP's are made by FN.

I too love the feel of the BHP. I dislike the SA only system and thats why I chose a CZ-75 as my wundernine. Nothing beats a good DA or DAO pistol for carry. IMNSHO

Marshall
June 24, 2004, 03:06 AM
It isn't really fair comparing BHP 9mm's to the Beretta 92, CZ-75, SiG 226, Glock 17, HK USP, Walther P99. You need find better choices! :D

Seriously, the BHP is King of the 9mm, the Alpha Dog!

HankB
June 24, 2004, 10:01 AM
My Mk III BHP is my usual "carry" gun. It is VERY lightly customized, with the addition of Spegel grips, a ShokBuff buffer, and an 18.5 lb Wolff recoil spring. I also upgraded it to the standard of more modern pistols like the Beretta 92 and Glock 17 by removing the magazine disconnect.

Some older versions of the BHP had tiny sights, tiny safety, and a weird "hump" on the feed ramp that impaired reliability with some JHP ammo. And even today, really "short" ammo - like a 90 grain JHP, if you can find it or load it yourself - may not work 100%.

Mk III Pros: Reliability, Pointability, Controllability, Relatively compact size, light perceived recoil, decent factory sights.

Mk III Cons: Long trigger reset, questionable for sustained use with +P+ ammo. (Though American Rifleman magazine reported some years ago that a Browning ran 5000 rounds of Remington +P+ ammo through a BHP with no problems.)

TechBrute
June 24, 2004, 10:53 AM
I did the majority of my early non-.22 shooting on a BHP. It's a model from the 60's or 70's, belgian manufacture. The sights were replaced with Novak, I think, and it had an extended beavertail. No mag disconnect, and the front strap was 30LPI checkered. Unfortunatly, when I moved out of my parents house, my dad didn't let it move with me. :( It's his daily carry.

I have fond memories of that gun, and as I recall it shot very, very well.

MrAcheson
June 24, 2004, 11:23 AM
questionable for sustained use with +P+ ammo

I see this a lot, but I don't think it has much merit. The hipower was the 9mm military sidearm of the post war period. They have had thousands and thousands of rounds of NATO ammo which is +P+. I have heard very few complaints about the hipower's reliability or longevity from these circles. Yes it will wear our sooner than if you baby it, but it'll still last a good long while in any case.

Sean Smith
June 24, 2004, 11:51 AM
If I get another 9x19, it will be a Hi Power. They just feel fabulous, and are very reliable and durable. Only downside is that it takes more work to get a really good trigger out of them compared to a 1911.

BHPshooter
June 24, 2004, 01:16 PM
The BHP is only as outdated as the person using it.

Personally, it is the gun for me. I love the way it feels, I love the way it looks, I love the way it shoots. It's perfect for me... but that doesn't mean it's perfect for everybody.

I've got 2. My Browning is uber-reliable, my FEG is only slightly less so. Other than experimenting with a crap magazine, I have had 2 FTEs and 1 Failure to feed (using a friend's USA magazine :scrutiny: ). The Browning has about 2,000 rounds through it, I have put about 3,000 through the FEG (don't know how many it had before I bought it).

The big answer is that it's worth a try. If you like it, go for it. If not, keep looking. It can't get more simple than that.

Wes

JNewell
June 24, 2004, 02:04 PM
Thanks for the replies on the mags.

I have to say that there is something magic about the grip. My kids were able to shoot comfortably and hit reliably with the HP long before they could do so with other 9x19s, both larger and smaller.

Bartholomew Roberts
June 25, 2004, 05:01 PM
I love the Browning Hi-Power and have been carrying one for four years. I have 22k rounds through my primary Hi-Power now, so I feel pretty familiar with them.

Unlike others, I don't really find the mag disconnect all that much of a problem except in IDPA shoots where it is a pain to show clear and drop the hammer.

If I could improve one thing about the Hi-Power, it would be the trigger. While the initial trigger pull is excellent, it has both a long reset and a soft reset (making it difficult to feel when it has reset the trigger). Despite that, you can still fire the gun amazingly rapid when you need to, though I find that with the long reset I sometimes come off the trigger entirely in rapid fire and end up slapping the trigger - bad habit from IDPA that I am eliminating slowly.

NEtracker
July 2, 2004, 02:03 PM
Have two 9's, BHP '91 Silver Chrome, and a Walther P99.
Each is nice in its own way, but I really like the Hi Power design.
(wish we could buy them New in this state! Kerry Country:rolleyes: )

Lennyjoe
July 2, 2004, 02:44 PM
My BHP (birthdate in 72) is making a trip to the smith on Monday.

Gonna have an ambi safety and new rear sight installed.

After that, she's gonna see some CCW duty.

Dr.Rob
July 2, 2004, 06:34 PM
Shouldn't the question be: 'How do these new nines stack up against the BHP?'

:D

Lennyjoe
July 3, 2004, 12:14 AM
After thinking it out today I decided to carry the BHP instead of the Kimber.

So I stoked it with Black Hills 124gr +P and off we went.

To tell you the truth, it felt pretty good on the hip.:D

Marshall
July 3, 2004, 01:23 PM
If anyone is not comfy carring a 9mm on their hip, try the BHP in .40 cal. I have the Practical in .40 S&W, it's the same gun as the 9mm and just as sweet even though it has more umph. I have the Standard in 9mm and absolutely love it but, I must admit, I do feel better armed carrying the .40 Practical on my hip.

Boats
July 3, 2004, 02:55 PM
I love how the BHP feels in my hand. It is well balanced, elegant, everything described.

I hate how the BHP shoots. The abbreviated tang simply flat out sucks for me with a high thumb hold. My most bloody incident with a pistol involves getting the web between my thumb and trigger finger getting chewed between the inadequate tang and a spur hammer during a double tap. Still have the two stitch scar from firing the Belgian meat grinder.

IMO, the CZ 75/85 outclasses the BHP in every respect. The 1911A! has kept abreast of the times, especially ergonomically. There may be few modern nines that are better feeling at the counter, but are many better feeling nines out there than the BHP when actually firing.

RatFink
July 3, 2004, 04:42 PM
That's so wierd that some get bit and others don't. When mine came into my FFL Pals shop he decided to rack the slide on it to check the chamber before looking it over and it resulted in a large blood blister. (he had never handled an HP) I on the other hand have never been bit, just lightly bumped a couple times by the hammer as it came back.

Lennyjoe
July 3, 2004, 04:45 PM
I have yet to get bitten by my BHP.

Guess thats a good thing;)

DHart
July 4, 2004, 05:57 AM
I'm a 1911 fanatic, but must admit that the BHP is the best feeling gun I've ever put in my hand. I have two of them: a .40 Silver Chrome and a .40 Standard (high polished blue). They are magnificent pistols. Supremely reliable and now that they have had trigger jobs, the triggers are fantastic. Yes, I believe they must have a trigger job to really shine, but that's no big deal at all and once the tj is done... they are incredible! I feel very confident when relying on either of my Browning Hi-Power .40's for defense. They look beautiful and are the epitome of elegance in a 9mm or .40 cal. By the way, the gun design was significantly beefed up specifically to meet the demands of shooting .40. I think they may be the strongest .40 out there. SO.... in my view, King of the Nines and King of the Forties.

Spieler
July 4, 2004, 11:17 AM
The BHP is no more outdated or obsolete than is the modern 1911 in its various iterations. It can more than hold its own with most of the newer breed of hi-cap 9mm autoloaders, and in most respects it outperforms the more 'modern' guns. It is a timeless classic.

Rival
July 4, 2004, 12:51 PM
I personally don't get bit by a hammer, and BHP feels superb while shooting it (I shot BHP side-by-side with CZ-75B)
http://bodya.com/pics/guns/range/BHP_CZ75B.jpg
While both guns shoot very good, it is easier for me to shoot BHP accurately over large distances. Also, I needed to adjust to the sights on the BHP - original factory adjustable sights, while very nice, sit higher then combat sights on the CZ. After some training I got used to sights on the BHP and now I shoot equally well with either BHP or CZ while rapid firing on close range targets. When it comes to shooting something 50 yards away - I feel more comfortable with BHP.

BHPshooter
July 4, 2004, 01:35 PM
I personally don't get bit by a hummer

:uhoh: Uhmmm...

Nevermind. :o

That's a nice collection there -- what's the 3rd gun there? I see what looks like a .22 magazine. Those polished blue HPs are gorgeous. ;)

Wes

Rival
July 4, 2004, 02:38 PM
That's a nice collection there -- what's the 3rd gun there? I see what looks like a .22 magazine. Those polished blue HPs are gorgeous.
You can see the entire lineup here (http://www.bodya.com/modules.php?set_albumName=range&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php).

BHPshooter
July 4, 2004, 04:00 PM
That's quite a range you've got there!

I wonder how involved you'd have to be to set up a shooting range... but that's for another thread. :)

Wes

Marshall
July 4, 2004, 04:20 PM
quote:
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I personally don't get bit by a hummer
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That's a good thing! :evil:

DHart
July 4, 2004, 07:46 PM
6'1", 175 lbs, pretty large hands, though not especially "fleshy" and never a hammer bite here from 1911's nor from BHP's. Certainly there are some folks who do get hammer bite, but I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of shooters do not get hammer bite, nor do they need to modify their guns to prevent hammer bite. If hammer bite were that pervasive, the guns would never have been designed just as they were, nor used just as they were for decade, after decade, after decade. Don't get me wrong... I see nothing wrong with beavertails and rounded hammers, just that I'm equally happy with the traditional set-ups as well. It's all good as far as I'm concerned.

shep854
July 4, 2004, 08:43 PM
I once had an Argie FM HP, specifically because it had the spur hammer, which seems less likely to bite than the round hammer. Never got bit. I've got my eye on another one.

As far as the "drop-free" mags, it wasn't a big deal until modern combat shooting stressed super-fast reloads. With practice, you can remove the used mag, stow it and bring up a fresh mag nearly as fast as you can with a drop-free.

AndABeer
July 4, 2004, 09:01 PM
On my personal example the trigger is clean and crisp. The weight of the pull breaks at 4 pounds even. It is as accurate as any of my other pistols and as reliable. The feel of the grip is the most natural of them all. I carried it for a time.

What soured the deal for me was the reset, as bad as most DAOs. There was just no way for me to shoot as quickly as I wanted, as well as I wanted. Slow fire, it is an awesome shooter. Rapid fire, I had to have something else.

4v50 Gary
July 4, 2004, 09:12 PM
How does the Browning Hi-Power compare to other guns? It doesn't. Apart from the German P-08, nothing feels as good as the old Hi-Power. It has very few features which doesn't really detract from the gun. For instance, it has the older SA only trigger. However, it works fine. The only things I'd want are the Browning ambidextrious safety and a better sight.

Now, the closest you'll come to the "feel" of the Browning Hi-Power is the CZ-75. Trigger on my CZ-75 (an older model without importer markings) is excellent. Sights are more visible than the Browning. No ambidextrious safety but hey, I can carry it hammer down and use the DA function for the first shot.

As for the other Wondernines, many of the early ones were big and bulky for the 9mm package. The S&W 59 and its 3rd generation derivatives felt fat. The Sig P226 and Beretta also belong to that near pregnant whale category. It was the advent of the polymer frame Glock in 9 mm (Sorry H&K, I haven't forgotten the VP-70 but it was way before its time) that the grip frame could be reasonably reduced (S&W Sigma, Springfield Armory come to mind).

By now you guys know I have small hands and that my complaints (or gripes) may not be valid to you. That's fair. But consider this, for the size of a Beretta, are you really getting that much more gun than the Browning? Both shoot the 9mm bullet so why the bigger gun? Balance is sought after and I think it's found nicely in the CZ or the Browning.

jacketch
July 5, 2004, 06:35 PM
I bought my first BHP in 1974 and over a perion of 15 years I fired aproximately 60k rounds through it. I can only remember about 3 failures that weren't ammo or mag related and even those were very few. Except for spring and extractor replacements, little was done but cleaning and lubing. Much of the ammo was +p and +p+ rated and when I gave it to a friend in the mid 80's, it was still going strong. The only problem with it was that the barrel was showing some wear.

I have never found a pistol that fit my hand or pointed as well as the P35. I have owned several since and none had a bad trigger pull once they were broken in. If a Browning HiPower was the only gun available, I wouldn't complain one bit.

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