The better 22?


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Top_Notch
June 25, 2004, 03:24 PM
Just returned from the local gun store. I want a 22 for cheap paper punching and target shooting, with the possibility of scoping or putting a red-dot on it for some more fun down the road. No formal competitions or anything, just fun while out with the guys. I have it narrowed down to two.

1) Ruger Mark II 5.5" SS
2) Buckmark target plus in blue w/rosewood grips and gold trigger.
(I believe that was the model)

The both feel good in my hands and point ok. Both are similarly priced, with only a $30 difference. The Ruger was substantially heavier. Is the heavier gun better for groups? Will these guns give similar performance? Or is one inherently better than the other?

Thanks.

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Bill B.
June 25, 2004, 04:26 PM
I have the Ruger and love it for both function and accuracy. There are lots of after market parts available also for the Ruger if you decide to start tricking one out. You may wish to try both the Ruger old style grip and the 22/45 grip to decide which feels best to you personally. I prefer the old grip and like the stainless version. I have used the Ruger on and off for over 30 years. Can't comment on the Browning since I have never owned one.

DelayedReaction
June 25, 2004, 05:18 PM
I had the chance to fire the 5.5" Ruger at my handgun course a few weeks ago, and as soon as I get my finances and schedule organised it's going to be my first gun.

MrAcheson
June 25, 2004, 07:04 PM
The ruger and buckmark are the big two of .22s. You really can't go wrong with either. Shoot both and pick what you like best. I prefer the buckmark myself, but your mileage may vary.

rick_reno
June 25, 2004, 07:27 PM
Get the Ruger and replace the trigger/sear with something from Clark or Volquartsen. Gil Hebard, 309-289-2700 sells both and is a good fellow to deal with.

Standing Wolf
June 25, 2004, 08:33 PM
The Ruger is a wretched @#$%^&! to reassemble after cleaning. I'll never buy another Ruger anything!

Kismet
June 25, 2004, 09:03 PM
That's a first-class problem. Pick the one you like, you just can't go wrong.

Kis

vwfool
June 27, 2004, 12:45 AM
After having both I'd pick the Browning, but I think it is all personal preferences, too. They are both good choices for what you are wanting. I don't like the way the front sight on a Ruger tears up a holster, don't like the sight picture, and I don't like the location of the magazine release. For me, the Browning fixes all of these (personal) problems.

BlkHawk73
June 27, 2004, 08:13 AM
I've owned a Buckmark and currently own a Ruger. The Buckmarkl had trouble with ejection and feeding sometimes. Got it cleared up and it now works great for it's current owner. Traded it for another Ruger Single Six not because of the problem. I'd buy another Buckmark but wouldn't get rid of my Ruger. I did find the Rugr a bit more accurate but it also had 3" more bbl and sight radius. Can't really go wrong with either but if upgrading is probable, the Ruger have endless upgrades available for them.

Hal
June 27, 2004, 09:44 AM
Buckmark Plus w/the rosewood grips is the more refined of the 2, has (IMHO) better stock trigger, *proper* placement of the controls (for a 1911/BHP/CZ type person), more *realsitic* balance (again, for a basic 1911 type person), more open breech area (cuts down on fouling), is more out of the box accurate (based on my experience w/4 Rugers and 3/Buckmarks)<-- not a large sampling, but larger than the usual "I have a Mark II that's a super-shooter,,,,umm, never shot a Buckmark though"or "I had A Buckmark and traded it away for A Mark II", is more comfortable for >500 round sessions (@ ~ 400 + rounds I find the takedown lever of the Ruger creates a "hot spot" on the web of my hand.) For me anyhow, the Buckmark has better stock sights and lastly, the Buckmark Plus is just uncommon enough to be a little bit "special".

Not all "Rosey-wood" though. Buckmarks have a tendancy to have their hex head rail screws work loose, have numerous pieces-parts under the right grip,<-- mine anyhow have a nasty tendancy to collect crud there that interfered with the disconnect. Forntunatly, it's preventable if you keep it clean. They also can malfunction and fail to feed if you "limp wrist" it. My wife had some problems with her Buckmark Micro due to her "loose" style of gripping it. We switched over to high veloctiy ammunition and the problem disappeared. Probably the most serious problem I've had with the Buckmark(s) is the small Oh S**it clip on the slide spring. The first time I broke down my wife's Micro, that clip took off for parts unknown. It's an odd size, and I hit every hardware store in the area w/out finding one. Good news is that I found one on an old Epson printer tractor.

Ruger - fine gun. One of the all time success stories of modern industry. Without too mush fuss, they can be made to shoot very close to guns costing 2 times the price. With aftermarket trigger parts, they can be made to come close to a "very decent" trigger. HOWEVER, "very decent" is just that. Better than a stock Buckmark can be, but still a far cry from "very good" to "great". (The "Great" triggers on .22's I own are on the Smith 17's, the High Standard and ,,believe it or not,,,my wife's H&R Convertible <-- only the S/A.). Mark's are also "dump truck" tough and "junk-yard-dog" mean. For whatever reason, my Mark II slabside is kind of a lemon, and has been plagued with all sorts of small part's breakages - safety spring, firing pin spring, extractor. None have stopped it. I have no idea how long the extractor was broken before I noticed it. The gun continued to fire and spit out empties. Same with the spring on the safety. Since mine's a range only gun, I never use the safety. I also never let anyone else shoot it because of the broken safety. It was only when I was cleaning it I discovered the spring wasn't there anymore. The firing pin spring broke about 1/3 off one end. I just put the broken 2/3 up against it, and haven't had a problem with it yet.

Ok, so far it probably sounds like I'm more in favor of the Buckmark. Nope. Given the way my Ruger has performed, even with multiple broken parts, I'd have to recommend the Ruger over the Buckmark overall. Altough it's really too close to call. I guess the deciding factor would be service. Ruger has a good reputation for serviceing their products. Browning service is notoriously spotty.

OOpos. Forgot about the Red Dot. My Mark II came tapped for a rail mount. Mounting either a Red Dot or a scope was simple. IIRC, I got one of the Weaver rails from Brownells. It's low enough so that I can leave it on and still use the iron sights.

SouthpawShootr
June 27, 2004, 10:16 AM
I had both. Sold the Buckmark and kept the Ruger (sentimental reasons - it was a gift from my dad). I had a problem with the Buckmark top of the slide that had the sights attached (don't know what they call it) shooting loose during extended range session. It didn't care much for match ammo. Groups weren't as tight and it would jam. Use high velocity (mini-mags and the like) and it was 100% reliable. The Ruger was a MKI and shot everything I fed it with no problems. Probably have several hundred thousand rounds through it. It is a bear to reassemble, but there's a trick to it - cant the gun at a particular angle and everything just slips into place.

phorvick
June 27, 2004, 10:43 AM
Just a vote for the Beretta Neos...cheap, fun, reliable, accuarate, built-in optic rail etc.
http://ziononfranklinlake.org/neos.jpg

albanian
June 27, 2004, 11:13 AM
I happen to have both of those guns. The Ruger is more accurate in my hands but the Browning is a fun gun for plinking. If you are not going to do serious target shooting or varmit hunting with it, either would do fine. If you plan on getting into competition , the Ruger is the way to go as there are more aftermarket parts for it.

To make a blanket statement, the Ruger is the better gun because it is more accurate. There are eceptions to this but this is my take on it.

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