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DoubleAction
June 25, 2004, 11:53 PM
With almost every other manufacturer getting a piece of the pie, I'm wondering when, or if, Ruger will make a move on the production of their own version of the 1911. I could only imagine one of their blue steel versions, or a stainless, in true Ruger form.

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had
June 26, 2004, 12:58 AM
i've been wondering that lately myself. i am a ruger fan and i know that they could do a nice job. i hope that they do make a 45.

had

Nightcrawler
June 26, 2004, 01:09 AM
Ruger makes like three different .45s.

Is it really necessary that every pistol company churn out an M1911 clone nowadays? The market is crowded enough to begin with. Every "custom" option you could want is available in a production pistol, and the price range for 1911 clones goes from $350 to like $5,000, depending on what you want.

The question is, what could Ruger do with the design that Colt, Springfield, Kimber, S&W, Rock River Arms, Armscor, Wilson, Ed Brown, Les Baer, and countless other builders of this type of pistol don't? What would be the hook to get people to buy it?

Soap
June 26, 2004, 01:30 AM
I'm still waiting on HiPoint to get into the 1911 game. :evil:

Delmar
June 26, 2004, 01:38 AM
I really don't think Ruger will make a copy of the 1911 because of the way they manufacture firearms. Most of their stuff is either stamped or cast in the lost wax method, and a 1911 design might be a bit too complicated to do so. Having said that-if anyone COULD cast a frame/slide of a 1911 and make it work, my money would be on them.

DoubleAction
June 26, 2004, 01:40 AM
The question is, what could Ruger do with the design that Colt, Springfield, Kimber, S&W, Rock River Arms, Armscor, Wilson, Ed Brown, Les Baer, and countless other builders of this type of pistol don't? What would be the hook to get people to buy it?


Ruger has a blued steel that is not only smooth to shoot, it is finished to a deep dark shine which is different from other guns. Rugers are very solid, and I'm confident that the company would display the same workmanship in a 1911, as it has in all of their previous guns, at an affordable competitve price. The potential of Ruger's ability to build a 1911 would be well recieved, as the Vaquero has with the Single Action Cowboy market.

Badger Arms
June 26, 2004, 01:44 AM
Ruger makes like three different .45s.On the Contrary, they make the P90, the P97, the P345, and the Blackhawk Convertible. That makes Four kinds. They also make the 22/45 which mimics the grip angle of the 1911. Seems like they've skirted the issue long enough. Heck, even Ithaca made the 1911, it's time for Ruger to step up to the plate.

had
June 26, 2004, 02:11 AM
oops... a 1911 45:rolleyes:

i'm not gonna call ruger and demand that they make a 1911. ther is no reason for them to do it... but if they did i would be interested.

had

Josey
June 26, 2004, 04:05 AM
I get a vision of a 10 round, polymer frame, full of MIM and poor sights 1911 clone from Ruger. Wilson makes that already.:neener:

sm
June 26, 2004, 04:57 AM
I hope not.

IMO- there is w-a-y too much "line extension" within the mfgs today already. Add the other mfgs and their "line extensions". Granted there is that dealie about Free Market and all. The competition for contracts as well. What we have is Quanity not Quality - in this case 1911s.

I figure the Ruger and Smith folks do allright with their respective metallury processes, making stuff for other folks or other product lines already.

I sort of have mixed feelings about something. For Too many years the 1911 was a combat pistol that worked. Folks were Trained to use the pistiol as designed. Then the pistol was adapted to fit other roles, like Bulls eye, IDPA, IPSC...etc. There is a place for tool designed for a task, Military ,SWAT, LEO have some tasks that average citizen does not need.

I sometimes think the greed of money and ownership short circuits folks gray matter. Train to use tool and fit as need to fit you and the task. Not buy skill and targets...especially when it means short cuts and quanity are more important than quality.

Sheesh...I do not like front slide serrations on the 1911. I do no like the all the writing on the Rugers...gonna be hell to read all that crap in b/t the serrations...:)

Besides all the Rugers I have shot in 9mm and 45ACP are reliable, affordable, work out of the box. Sure they may not be the prettiest, hippest , coolest gun out there , but they work. Civilians and small town LEOs want value for dollar...why would Ruger want to muck up something they already fill a slot for? They catch enough hell for Bill Rugers statement all those years ago...Why open themselves to more controversy? Shut up and sell what they have. An Alternative to the 1911 design, the Sig, the HK, the Glock...

grendelbane
June 26, 2004, 06:31 AM
Ruger is half-way there already!:)

Caspian cast frames are poured by Sturm Ruger's Pine Tree Foundry.

They also make many SIG slides.

As a Ruger shareholder this makes me very happy!:D

I have a Caspian frame which I recently completed as a .38 Super.

Typical Ruger quality. As usual, it is probably the best bang for the buck.

1911Tuner
June 26, 2004, 09:58 AM
I really don't think Ruger will make a copy of the 1911 because of the way they manufacture firearms. Most of their stuff is either stamped or cast in the lost wax method, and a 1911 design might be a bit too complicated to do so.
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Not really. 1911 slides and frames...as well as other parts... have been manufactured via investment casting for years, and Ruger has shown that they can do that process very well. I think the 1911 would be a natural for them. Whether or not they see a large enough share of that particular market is gonna be their call. I'd put money on tough, durable investment castings from Ruger. If they offered matched slide and frame sets the way that Essex does, I'd build a pistol on one in a heartbeat...if they used
internal extractors, that is.:p

Ruger? If you build it, they will come...

Tuner

BlkHawk73
June 26, 2004, 10:33 AM
Yeah just we need, another manufacturer of the 1911 model. I wouldn't hold your breath on this one. Seems that when Bill Ruger was running the show, he wanted firearms that had a different design than ones already in production. He once stated in a interview that while he'd like to have a pump shotgun in the catalog, he didn't want to simply remake current action types. He'd want something different. I'm guessing the same ideal is still there in the company. Besides, with such a large catalog to keep up with, whyadd redundancy to the lineup?

stans
June 26, 2004, 10:47 AM
I doubt Ruger will try to enter the over crowded 1911 market. Interesting the S&W is making 1911's, which were originally a Colt product. I am wondering when Colt will start cranking out clones of S&W products.:rolleyes:

Big Gay Al
June 26, 2004, 11:16 AM
The question is, what could Ruger do with the design that Colt, Springfield, Kimber, S&W, Rock River Arms, Armscor, Wilson, Ed Brown, Les Baer, and countless other builders of this type of pistol don't? What would be the hook to get people to buy it? Make it better AND cheaper. ;)

YodaVader
June 26, 2004, 11:57 AM
Ruger has a blued steel that is not only smooth to shoot, it is finished to a deep dark shine which is different from other guns.

Wow - never realized this! The blued steel Rugers I have owned have been rather unexceptional in terms of finish quality. Basically the same dull blue that is turned out by everyone else. In the case of my MKII as well as a friend's , the bluing on the grip frame has a tendency to disappear after a while. The only two guns I ever owned that possessed bluing with a deep dark shine were a Colt Python and a Smith 29 Classic.

The question is, what could Ruger do with the design that Colt, Springfield, Kimber, S&W, Rock River Arms, Armscor, Wilson, Ed Brown, Les Baer, and countless other builders of this type of pistol don't? What would be the hook to get people to buy it?
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Make it better AND cheaper.

Well if Ruger will ever produce a 1911 that will allow me to shoot the 10 ring every time at 50 yards (if I do my part) I'll be the first in line to buy one! Very few 1911s will do this including most of the names above. I have shot Rock River and Les Baers that would certainly do it.

Ruger is an innovative company - doubt they will have any desire to regurgitate what everyone else is doing just to jump on the bandwagon.

1911Tuner
June 26, 2004, 12:02 PM
"Ruger has a blued steel that is not only smooth to shoot, it is finished to a deep dark shine which is different from other guns."

That's known as Black Oxide...Shiny depends on how polished up the metal gets before the process.

Cheers!

Parked, Cocked and Locked Tuner

DoubleAction
June 26, 2004, 01:01 PM
I kinda fiqured there would be alot of responses to this one when I imagined Ruger doing a 1911 with a serious approach. For the 1911 I have bought into only two different manufacturers, Colts and Wilson Combats, and I still find the Colt Steel to be my first choice when browsing for new guns in this platform. The only Rugers I own are the Vaqueros, Super Blackhawk, and 10/22 Target.
Sig Sauers have been my choice in double action semi-autos for a number of years, having acquired two of their Sport pistols, I was anxious to see their more current offering in the 1911. I was hoping to find a 1911 that was built similar to the stainless found with the 229 Sport, I did not.
What Ruger did in their own version of the Colt Single Action Model P, with the Vaquero, it would be interesting to see if they could apply the same with the 1911.
Another manufacturer, which was recently bought up by Berreta, is Uberti of Italy; Knowing what Uberti did with the Model P could just as easily be accomplished with the 1911, as too many has already proven.

jeff-10
June 26, 2004, 01:15 PM
With so many makers of 1911s now and some such as Kimber, Springfield and Dan Wesson that have them as there main products, there is really no reason to make another. The market must be nearing the saturation point as it is.

DoubleAction
June 26, 2004, 01:26 PM
One would think that too many are already manufacturing versions of the 1911. In reality, the 1911 is to pistols what the SUV has become to the automobile industry; Everyone is cashing in on their own version.

Nightcrawler
June 26, 2004, 01:29 PM
Yes, but imagine if all the auto makers made the EXACT SAME SUV, with the exact same features, with only the logo on the grill to differentiate them?

DoubleAction
June 26, 2004, 01:53 PM
Yes, but imagine if all the auto makers made the EXACT SAME SUV, with the exact same features, with only the logo on the grill to differentiate them?


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Maybe that is one reason I own only Colts, with a couple of Wilsons on the side. We live in an age of motion picture remakes and japanese V- Twin Harley Davidson clones. Part of our American Culture has been the products by which the world indentifies us with. We have our Colts, Smith & Wessons, Harley Davidsons, Ford Trucks, Corvettes, Jeeps, and recycled Ranch Homes from the fifties; Some things just do not die.

Josey
June 26, 2004, 01:59 PM
SUVs. Like GMC, Chevrolet, Cadillac and Ford, Mercury Lincoln??:neener:

DoubleAction
June 26, 2004, 02:08 PM
Don't forget the Jeep Cherokee, it seems to be the most forgotten in the mix of things.

Domino
June 26, 2004, 02:14 PM
Ahh, come-on guys. Ruger is probably the most innovative American firearm company in history. They've not only made well designed guns, but they designed them to be made cheaply and utterly durable. All of these companies making 1911 clones are just doing exactly that CLONING. Ruger makes their own guns and doesn't clone anybody, even their Blackhawks, Old Armies, and Single Sixes are redesigned and better than the originals. Although I'm sure Ruger could make fine 1911's but what could they possibly bring to the table? 1911's have pretty much been perfected enough if you ask me. You can buy all of those match grade and stainless doodads and bells and whistles for a couple grand if you really want to. Myself, when I decided to buy a 1911, I wanted to get as close as I could to the "real" thing. Basically a simple, well-made, and cheap workhorse so I bought the Springfield WWII Mil Spec.

DoubleAction
June 26, 2004, 02:19 PM
Look what the 1911 did for Kimber and Dan Wesson, not to mention Springfield. And how many manufacturers of the 1911 actually do their own castings and forgings?

Delmar
June 26, 2004, 03:13 PM
Tuner-how much machining would it take for a cast slide/frame combo, and could you be competitive in your pricing?

1911Tuner
June 26, 2004, 04:27 PM
Delmar asked:

Tuner-how much machining would it take for a cast slide/frame combo, and could you be competitive in your pricing?

Howdy Delmar,

The investment cast slide and frame sets that you can get from Essex and Caspian are already finish machined and ready for the final lapping. Essex
requires very little, and for an extra 50 bucks, Caspian will ship the set
finish-fitted and ready to go. I don't think Caspian offers cast slides, but
their cast frames have been excellent.

Essex sets are pretty good...Much better than just a few years ago, but there are a few issues that I don't care for. The frame's radius at the top of
the tang is wrong, and requires blending and reshaping to mate with the bottom of the slide. They still don't know how to stake a front sight...on the slides that have staked sights. Their installed ejectors are junk, and held in place by an out-of-spec roll pin instead of a steel pin of the correct diameter. Not major stuff...but things to consider. Of course, the Essex sets are about half the price of Caspians...and if you go with a steel frame
from Caspian, the gap is even wider.

If you're on a tight budget, you can build a pretty nice pistol with the Essex set. If you want the best, Caspian has it...hands down.

Luck!

Tuner

GrandmasterB
June 28, 2004, 01:09 PM
Who cares when Ruger will make a 1911. The real question is: "When will Glock start making one?" :D

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